Ramifications of the "Awnald" bill

Major Billy · 11th October 2004, 04:33 PM

The "Awnald Bill" (which will allow naturalized American citizens be elected President after 20 years) is not necessarily a bad thing. A brief list of people who would then be eligible:

Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeline Albright

Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger

Rocket Scientist Sergei Krushchev

Newsman Peter Jennings

Journalist Robert MacNeil

(And last, but not least)
Magician and Professional Skeptic James Randi

Richard G · 11th October 2004, 05:20 PM

This will require a Constitutional Amendment. There is no way this will EVER be passed by the States.

Grammatron · 11th October 2004, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by Richard G
This will require a Constitutional Amendment. There is no way this will EVER be passed by the States.

Why?

LostAngeles · 11th October 2004, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Richard G
This will require a Constitutional Amendment. There is no way this will EVER be passed by the States.

Don't the states have to ratify a Constitutional Amendment?

SezMe · 11th October 2004, 09:35 PM

I think it IS a bad thing because it attempts to amend the Constitution for short-term political reasons. Doubt that? Then amend the bill to grandfather OUT everyone now living and see how support falls like a rock.

BTW, as a Californian, I would assert that Ahnold is not all that much of a blessing. I wouldn't vote for him for Prez if he was qualified.

BPSCG · 12th October 2004, 05:31 AM

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Originally posted by SezMe
I think it IS a bad thing because it attempts to amend the Constitution for short-term political reasons. Doubt that? Then amend the bill to grandfather OUT everyone now living and see how support falls like a rock.

I agree it's pretty clear the Republicans would love to be able to have Schwarzenegger (it's really not al that hard to spell, folks...) on top of the ticket four or eight years from now. But it simply ain't gonna happen - there's no way a Constitutional amendment will get through the required 3/5 (or is it 2/3? I can't ever seem to remember) state legislatures while there's the remotest chance that Schwarzenegger (really, it's not that hard...) will qualify.

That having been said, I can't think of a good reason to prohibit someone who's been a citizen for twenty years from holding the office, and I'd favor it even if Schwarzenegger (S-C-H-W-A-R-Z-E-N-E-G-G-E-R) was "grandfathered out".

Tmy · 12th October 2004, 06:38 AM

If we allow aliens to becoem prez then the JEWS will install a puppet prez! THE JEWS!!!!!

This issue has been around for years. Yet it was always the Republicans who were against it. Now they change their minds!

BPSCG · 12th October 2004, 07:48 AM

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Originally posted by Tmy
If we allow aliens to becoem prez then the JEWS will install a puppet prez! THE JEWS!!!!!

Yeah. That explains why Joe Lieberman has such a commanding lead in the polls over Bush.

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This issue has been around for years.

It has? First I ever heard any serious mention of it. Guess I don't get out enough...

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Yet it was always the Republicans who were against it.

They were? When? What were the circumstances? Guess I don't get out enough...

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Now they change their minds!

Um, is it a good idea, in your opinion? If so, then why do you object?

11th October 2004, 04:33 PM	#1
Major Billy Thinker Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ioway Posts: 248	Ramifications of the "Awnald" bill The "Awnald Bill" (which will allow naturalized American citizens be elected President after 20 years) is not necessarily a bad thing. A brief list of people who would then be eligible: Former U.S. Secretary of State Madeline Albright Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger Rocket Scientist Sergei Krushchev Newsman Peter Jennings Journalist Robert MacNeil (And last, but not least) Magician and Professional Skeptic James Randi

11th October 2004, 05:20 PM	#2
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LostAngeles Anti-WM Jihadist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Having a cup of tea. Posts: 10,159	Quote: Originally posted by Richard G This will require a Constitutional Amendment. There is no way this will EVER be passed by the States. Don't the states have to ratify a Constitutional Amendment?
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12th October 2004, 05:31 AM	#6
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Quote: Originally posted by SezMe I think it IS a bad thing because it attempts to amend the Constitution for short-term political reasons. Doubt that? Then amend the bill to grandfather OUT everyone now living and see how support falls like a rock. I agree it's pretty clear the Republicans would love to be able to have Schwarzenegger (it's really not al that hard to spell, folks...) on top of the ticket four or eight years from now. But it simply ain't gonna happen - there's no way a Constitutional amendment will get through the required 3/5 (or is it 2/3? I can't ever seem to remember) state legislatures while there's the remotest chance that Schwarzenegger (really, it's not that hard...) will qualify. That having been said, I can't think of a good reason to prohibit someone who's been a citizen for twenty years from holding the office, and I'd favor it even if Schwarzenegger (S-C-H-W-A-R-Z-E-N-E-G-G-E-R) was "grandfathered out".
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11th October 2004, 09:35 PM	#5
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,369	I think it IS a bad thing because it attempts to amend the Constitution for short-term political reasons. Doubt that? Then amend the bill to grandfather OUT everyone now living and see how support falls like a rock. BTW, as a Californian, I would assert that Ahnold is not all that much of a blessing. I wouldn't vote for him for Prez if he was qualified.

12th October 2004, 06:38 AM	#7
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	If we allow aliens to becoem prez then the JEWS will install a puppet prez! THE JEWS!!!!! This issue has been around for years. Yet it was always the Republicans who were against it. Now they change their minds!
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12th October 2004, 07:48 AM	#8
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Quote: Originally posted by Tmy If we allow aliens to becoem prez then the JEWS will install a puppet prez! THE JEWS!!!!! Yeah. That explains why Joe Lieberman has such a commanding lead in the polls over Bush. Quote: This issue has been around for years. It has? First I ever heard any serious mention of it. Guess I don't get out enough... Quote: Yet it was always the Republicans who were against it. They were? When? What were the circumstances? Guess I don't get out enough... Quote: Now they change their minds! Um, is it a good idea, in your opinion? If so, then why do you object?
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