Nucci's Newton's 3'rd law challenge

[roger]

As posted by Kramer:

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============================================= My claim is of an apparatus that can demonstrate action without reaction, violating Newton's Third Law.

Our demonstration apparatus is contained in a cylinder measuring approximately 10" in diameter, 12" tall and weighing 3 pounds. The device is self-contained, powered by a small battery pack contained inside the cylinder (the weight and size given includes the internal battery pack).

Upon being switched on the apparatus will rotate on its axis in free space We can select to ghave it rotate either clockwise or counter clockwise.

It ejects no mass and does not use friction. It "pushes back" on nothing while generating a constant rotational force.

We demonstrate the device suspended from a rope with the rope as it's only connection point. The rope has a low friction bearing at the end where the device is attached. This allows the device to rotate without twisting and winding up the rope.

Now, I didn't do brilliantly in physics in college, but doesn't the rope provide a means for the device to exert a force.

To wit: imagine the claim said that the device was hung from the rope as described, but that it moved up and down. It would be clear to anyone that the device was using the rope to move up and down.

Now, shouldn't it be possible for the device to exert force against the rope, and translate that 90 degrees into rotational energy? The bearing is not frictionless, so it should allow a small transfer of energy without being visually apparent.

I'm thinking along the lines of - when the power is turned on, the device shifts fractionally from a pure vertical position. Now when the motor tries to rotate the device, most of it will be bled away uselessly in the bearing, but a small component will be directed up the rope, providing the action/reaction needed to rotate the device.

As I say, I'm not that good at physics, but is this plausible?

[Matabiri]

Yes; the force would be exerted against gravity.

I would guess a way to test it would be to suspend it on two thin wires/ropes across a space:

attachment===device===attachment

Provided the wires are thin and close together, any torque generated by the device would cause them to twist around one another.

[Hellbound]

Spinning from a single rope or thread could also be attributed to a gyroscope effect, using a motor to spin it. This translates downward force (gravity) into a 90 degree rotational force (spin). Not sure how all the variable could be controlled for this.

[Avian]

Also be careful of having it appear to move with respect to an observer's position on the earth surface. I'm speaking of the 'ol "Foucault's Pendulum" effect where the rotating earth will make an object suspended by a rope or wire appear to change direction.

To see this, the test would have to last some period of time, and a few other factors come into play (including changing their assertation that they can spin it whichever way they want), but who knows how the challenge test will eventually evolve!

[apoger]

It's in contact with a rope and the air, both of which will provide reaction versus the devices action. I'm unsure how this device violates Newton's third law.

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It ejects no mass and does not use friction. It "pushes back" on nothing while generating a constant rotational force.

This sounds more like a violation of Newton's first law.

It seems as if they are claiming to get rotational effect without the use of force.

Honestly... it sounds like nothing more than a gyroscope. Ho hum.

[Brian]

Correct me if I'm wrong.
If the bearing is attached to the rope...
If the machine goes this-a-way, the rope has to go that-a-way.

[Vim Razz]

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Originally posted by roger
I'm thinking along the lines of - when the power is turned on, the device shifts fractionally from a pure vertical position. Now when the motor tries to rotate the device, most of it will be bled away uselessly in the bearing, but a small component will be directed up the rope, providing the action/reaction needed to rotate the device.

It appears that you're talking about getting traction from the bearing? Personaly, I'd consider that a rather negligible concern.

The most likely setup involves a counter-rotating unit within the drum. Suspended in our approximation of free-space (hung by a rope with a low-friction linkage) if a motor inside starts spinning one way, the rest of the unit will respond by spinning the other way -- conservation of angular momentum; one part of the device pushes against the other part to spin each other around in opposite directions.

Now, if there's no counter-rotating body inside, then that would be interesting. Such a case may-or-may-not be a violation of Newton's 3rd law, but it would certainly be a fun problem.
Umm... To the extent that any physics problem is fun... *cough* (time to back off before I reveal too much of my geeky nature.)

[patnray]

Athletes (high divers or trampoline jumpers, for example) can change the direction they are facing in midair by using counter rotation to maintain the total angular momentum. NASA has studied these moves and astronauts learn how to change their orientation while weightless without touching any part of the ship. NASA has also developed the "torqueless" wrench which allows astronauts to tighten bolts while floating freely. So the first question is what is the total angular momentum of the system, as Vim Razz points out. Without more details about the device it is impossible to tell what is really happening.

[Zombified]

Oops, I missed this thread and started my own... oh well.

It looks to me like this device is based on conservation of angular momentum. It just has a motor inside that spins some mass in the opposite direction. As long as the angular momentum of the outer shell going one way cancels whatever the inner angular momentum is going the opposite direction, Newton is happy. Not paranormal.

[Ron Nucci]

Hello Everyone

Interesting thread.

FYI -

We usually test the device on an air flotation table (a fancy air hockey table) instead of the rope.

The device does not use a flywheel or gyroscope.

[Skeptical Greg]

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Originally posted by Ron Nucci
Hello Everyone

Interesting thread.

FYI -

We usually test the device on an air flotation table (a fancy air hockey table) instead of the rope.

The device does not use a flywheel or gyroscope.

What is a possible application of this device?

[Ron Nucci]

Hi Diogenes

The important thing is the underlying process by which we are able to create force without requiring a counterforce. The implications of this process are enormous.

The rotary device is just the simplest embodiment we could devise for testing purposes.

As for the rotary device itself there are several aerospace applications such as use in satellites.

[roger]

So, for example, you should be able to make a device that, when placed on a scale and turned on, apparently weighs more (by creating force down onto the scale platform).

That'd be interesting.

[Ron Nucci]

Yes, it should be possible.

[roger]

"should be".

Have you tested this in other than a rotating device?
How have you ruled out conservation of angular momentum?

I'd understand if you didn't want to answer - you may not want to spill your secrets to the world yet, but I'm sure you understand why we may be curious about this device.

[Ron Nucci]

Hi Roger

>>> Have you tested this in other than a rotating device?

No.

>>> How have you ruled out conservation of angular momentum?

The rotary device violates conservation of angular momentum. We can rotate the device in one direction with the device beginning at a zero energy state and ending at a zero energy state.

>>> I'd understand if you didn't want to answer - you may not want to spill your secrets to the world yet, but I'm sure you understand why we may be curious about this device

I appreciate any respectful, considered, response or question. I will do my best to answer them without giving away anything proprietary.

[Zombified]

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Originally posted by Ron Nucci
I appreciate any respectful, considered, response or question. I will do my best to answer them without giving away anything proprietary.

Hmm... it's difficult to evaluate the claim without knowing something about the internal structure of the device. Because you could build a device with the same external appearance and behavior based on conservation of angular momentum. What can you tell us about it's structure or mode of operation? Can you confirm there are no internal motors, for example?

Thanks for participating.

[IXP]

Quote:

Originally posted by Ron Nucci
Hello Everyone

Interesting thread.

FYI -

We usually test the device on an air flotation table (a fancy air hockey table) instead of the rope.

The device does not use a flywheel or gyroscope.

The device does not have to explicitly have a flywheel or gyroscope to operate as you described it without violating any of Newton's laws. Simply connecting the shaft of a motor to the outer container along the central axis of the cylinder will make it perform exactly as you state.

Can you state unequivocally that:

1. there is nothing inside the cylinder spinning in the opposite direction to offset the angular momentum of the spinning container.

2. the container simply spins on its central axis and does not also precess as a whole, i.e. the point at which the rope is attached does not move in a circle.

These are just 2 ways I could come up with of making a device that does what you claim without breaking any laws of physics. There are certainly others. You need to give a fuller description before I would be convinced that, IF it does what you say, it would be violating Newton's laws.

[rppa]

How have you ruled out conservation of angular momentum?

The rotary device violates conservation of angular momentum. We can rotate the device in one direction with the device beginning at a zero energy state and ending at a zero energy state.

That doesn't answer the question. The device does NOT violate conservation of angular momentum if there internally moving elements with opposite angular momentum to the part we see.

Now if this is your claim, then you should be willing to let the good folks at JREF examine the interior, right?

[Ron Nucci]

Hi Rppa

>>That doesn't answer the question. The device does NOT violate conservation >>of angular momentum if there internally moving elements with opposite >>angular momentum to the part we see.

When I said the device begins at a zero energy state and ends at a zero energy state I meant externally and internally.

>>Now if this is your claim, then you should be willing to let the good folks at >>JREF examine the interior, right?

We have not ruled this out.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi IXP

>>The device does not have to explicitly have a flywheel or gyroscope to operate >>as you described it without violating any of Newton's laws. Simply connecting >>the shaft of a motor to the outer container along the central axis of the cylinder >>will make it perform exactly as you state.

Sorry but you are incorrect.

>>Can you state unequivocally that:

>>1. there is nothing inside the cylinder spinning in the opposite direction to >>offset the angular momentum of the spinning container.

Yes.

>>2. the container simply spins on its central axis and does not also precess as a >>whole, i.e. the point at which the rope is attached does not move in a circle.

Yes.

>>These are just 2 ways I could come up with of making a device that does what >>you claim without breaking any laws of physics. There are certainly others. >>You need to give a fuller description before I would be convinced that, IF it >>does what you say, it would be violating Newton's laws.

Sorry but you are incorrect here also.

[Ron Nucci]

Hi Zombified

>>Hmm... it's difficult to evaluate the claim without knowing something about the internal structure >>of the device.

Sorry but you are incorrect.

Because you could build a device with the same external appearance and >>behavior based on conservation of angular momentum.

Sorry but you are incorrect.

What can you tell us about it's >>structure or mode of operation? Can you confirm there are no internal motors, for example?

The devices internal structure is proprietary.

>>>Thanks for participating.

Your welcome.

[Dr Adequate]

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Originally posted by Ron Nucci
Hi Zombified

>>Hmm... it's difficult to evaluate the claim without knowing something about the internal structure >>of the device.

Sorry but you are incorrect.

He is quite correct. Something which rotates, but we don't know what's inside it? Then how can we evaluate the claim that its rotation breaches the third law?

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Because you could build a device with the same external appearance and >>behavior based on conservation of angular momentum.

Sorry but you are incorrect.

Well, you've described its external behaviour, and there's nothing strange about that... and I can't see how its appearance of the casing to the claim, but if it is, please post a photo of it (that's not proprietary, surely?) So it looks like Zombified is right. We could build a device which rotates and looks like yours, by, as has been pointed out, having something counter-rotating inside. So again, Zombified is quite correct. The crucial thing is the internal workings.

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The devices internal structure is proprietary.

Well, I think given the objections raised, you're going to have to reveal all to the JREF if you want to claim. Obviously, if they accepted this sort of claim based just on the assurances of applicants that the inards of the devices are what they say they are, then they'd have lost their million long ago.

Good luck!

[IXP]

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Originally posted by Ron Nucci
Hi IXP

>>The device does not have to explicitly have a flywheel or gyroscope to operate >>as you described it without violating any of Newton's laws. Simply connecting >>the shaft of a motor to the outer container along the central axis of the cylinder >>will make it perform exactly as you state.

Sorry but you are incorrect.

Ron,

I do have a degree in physics, and I am (or was) able to spin through two complete rotations in mid-air when jumping on a trampoline and come down with no net change in angular momentum, so don't just tell me I am incorrect, this is not convincing.

Perhaps the problem is that we are mis-interpreting your description of the behavior of your device. Would you care to elaborate on how your device would behave differently than the one I describe? I am talking about the externally visible behavior, not the internal behavior which I suspect you will not divulge.

[Skeptical Greg]

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Originally posted by IXP
Simply connecting the shaft of a motor to the outer container along the central axis of the cylinder will make it perform exactly as you state.
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I wonder if there are any detectable magnetic fields around this device..


I don't see how it could pass the paranormal challenge if there are..

[IXP]

Can we take a vote here? Who is more likely to be incorrect, Ron or all of us that he has called incorrect?

[Rob Lister]

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Originally posted by Diogenes
I wonder if there are any detectable magnetic fields around this device..


I don't see how it could pass the paranormal challenge if there are..

I'm not sure how this even qualifies for the paranormal challenge. That said, I suspect a device could be constructed to behave in the same manner without using any visible interal motors or flywheels. One example is allowing a fluid to flow downward through a spiral tube.

I'm sure there are many even less obvious examples.

Let's make a puzzle of it!

[Skeptical Greg]

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Originally posted by IXP
Can we take a vote here? Who is more likely to be incorrect, Ron or all of us that he has called incorrect?

If you haven't noticed, we are trying to be very tolerant here..


Surely you realize our gut reaction is to scoff, but the true skeptical reaction is to wait for the tests..


We are waiting..


I'm with the physicists on this one, but am hoping, along with the physicists I'm sure, that I am wrong. If Mr. Lucci is correct, the world (universe ) as we know it will change dramatically, and JREF's million is inconsequential...

[Skeptical Greg]

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Originally posted by Rob Lister
One example is allowing a fluid to flow downward through a spiral tube.

I'm sure there are many even less obvious examples.

Let's make a puzzle of it!

It does contain batteries. To power what?


The fluid device would require a pump of some kind if it were to operate for any significant length of time..

[Dr Adequate]

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Originally posted by Diogenes
I'm with the physicists on this one, but am hoping, along with the physicists I'm sure, that I am wrong. If Mr. Lucci is correct, the world (universe ) as we know it will change dramatically, and JREF's million is inconsequential...

And money well-spent.

[Rob Lister]

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Originally posted by Diogenes
It does contain batteries. To power what?


The fluid device would require a pump of some kind if it were to operate for any significant length of time..

Okay, how about a magneto-hydrodynamic pump. No detectable moving parts. Just a circular tube with stuff around it.

[Zombified]

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Originally posted by Ron Nucci
Sorry but you are incorrect.

How so? Are you saying I can't build a machine that spins without exerting an external force?

[rppa]

There appears to be a contradiction here.

I said:
Now if this is your claim, then you should be willing to let the good folks at JREF examine the interior, right?

And got the response:
We have not ruled this out.

But when Zombified asked:
What can you tell us about it's structure or mode of operation? Can you confirm there are no internal motors, for example?

the response was:
The devices internal structure is proprietary.

So which is it? Will physicists be allowed to study it to make the determination as to whether angular momentum is being conserved or not?

[Ladewig]

The positions are not necessarily contradictory. The claimant may ask that any examiners sign non-disclosure agreements.

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Does such a device have any practical value other than demonstrating physics laws?

[Skeptical Greg]

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Originally posted by roger
So, for example, you should be able to make a device that, when placed on a scale and turned on, apparently weighs more (by creating force down onto the scale platform).

That'd be interesting.

Artificial gravity?

Truly interesting!

[Question]

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patent pending.

F O R M 2
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THE PATENTS ACT,1970 (39 of 1970)
PROVISIONAL SPECIFICATION
[ See section 10 ]

1. Title of the invention: Mechanism to generate unidirectional force.

2. (a) Name: Patil Abhijit Brijalal
(b) Address: C/o: Life Insurance Corporation of India, Khetiya Road, Near Ambaji Mandir, At/Po/Tq: Shahada, Dist: Nandurbar, Maharastra State, India. PIN Code: 425409
(c) Nationality: Indian

3. Description of the invention.

The following specification describes the nature of the invention:-

FIELD OF INVENTION:

This invention relates to generating unidirectional force.

First and principle object of this invention is to generate unidirectional force through a mechanism in which points from which opposite reaction begins in two or more systems (defined below) are connected to each other in such a way that opposite reactions in these said systems, according to Newton's third law of motion, are halted and only actions are allowed to take place in said systems. These actions are used to generate unidirectional force in controlled way in desired direction.

Second object of this invention is to provide a device for a body so that this body can remain stationary (in inertial frame of observer on planet) in space or air, just above surface of planet, under influence of gravitational force of planet, with absolutely no contact of said device and body with planet whatsoever. In other words this device will not allow the body or the device itself to fall on planet even in vacuum without using aerodynamics or propellant.

Third object of this invention is to provide unidirectional force generating device to a vehicle so that this vehicle can move in space, on or above surface of any planet, in air or gas, in and above surface of water without having to carry and expel reaction mass to propel it or applying aerodynamics.

Fourth object of this invention is to provide a mechanism to a moving body or moving vehicle so that the velocity or direction of this vehicle or body is changed in desired way.

Fifth object of this invention is to provide a unidirectional force generator for wide ranging applications or products useful for industrial and commercial purpose.


PRIOR ART:

Newton's third law of motion is stated as, "when two bodies interact, the forces on the bodies from each other are always equal in magnitude and opposite in direction". In other words, for every action, there is equal and opposite reaction.

Whenever we see any body accelerating, said law is working behind the motion of that body. Some matter must get pushed in backward direction, if we want to accelerate some body in forward direction. Due to this, rockets have to carry and expel reaction mass to accelerate themselves in space. Mass of the fuel which rockets has to carry as propellant, is one of the biggest problems in interstellar space exploration.

Likewise on earth or any planet, if we want to keep some body at some distance just above earth's surface, like that of stationary helicopter in air, constant supply of energy and air is needed. Using conventional means, it is not possible to keep some body stationary just above earth's surface in vacuum. Any body just falls on earth or any planet in absence of gas and propellant.

SUMMARY OF INVENTION:

This invention overcomes above-mentioned problems by generating unidirectional force. Disclosed is a mechanism to accelerate a body in desired direction in controlled way by applying unidirectional force. This mechanism only needs potential energy to accelerate a body and not reaction mass or aerodynamics, which is a used in conventional vehicle.

In this mechanism three well established natural laws are used. Said laws are,

(1) Newton's first law of motion: If no force acts on a body, then the body's velocity can not change; that is, the body cannot accelerate.
(2) Newton's second law of motion: The net force on a body is equal to the product of the body's mass and the acceleration of the body. If two or more bodies are connected to each other and if forces of different magnitude are acting on said bodies in different directions in such a way that vector sum of forces is zero at point of connectivity, then these bodies can not move in different directions.
(3) Newton's third law of motion: When two bodies interact, the forces on the bodies from each other are always equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.

In this disclosure, system is defined as a physical structure in which two particles (bodies) moves towards each other or away from each other due to stored elastic potential energy in between two particles (bodies) in accordance with Newton's third law of motion. For example, a stretched spring or stretched rubber band constitutes system because every molecule in spring or rubber band is pulling other molecule with force of equal magnitude but opposite in direction due to existing spring force. So both ends of spring or rubber move towards each other due to stored elastic potential energy in spring or rubber band. Likewise if spring or rubber is compressed, both ends of spring/rubber will move away from each other. Two magnets or electromagnets facing each other also constitute system because they can push or pull each other due to existing force of attraction or repulsion.

When two bodies A and B are accelerating towards each other or away from each other and if said acceleration of these two bodies A and B is due to existing restoring force or force of attraction or repulsion in between these two bodies A and B, then in this case body A and B constitute system in this disclosure. This existing force of attraction or repulsion can be spring force, magnetic force or gravitational force. And force of attraction or repulsion in said bodies A and B can exist only due to stored elastic potential energy in between these two bodies. Hence there must be existing source of elastic potential energy in between two bodies A and B to constitute as system in this disclosure.

Using above laws, following scientific principle has been devised and disclosed.

When in two or more systems points, from which the opposite reaction in said systems is supposed to start, are connected to each other in such a way that these points are forced to travel in different directions, then due to connectivity, the opposite reaction in said systems is halted and only action takes place in these systems. Applying laws of Geometry, these actions can be used to generate unidirectional force in desired direction in controlled way to accelerate mass, which may include mass of unidirectional force generating device.

BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE DRAWINGS:

FIG. 1 is a basic schematic view embodying present invention. FIG. 2 is a basic unidirectional force-generating device. FIG. 3 shows a principle device to generate unidirectional force in controlled way. Some reference numerals of FIG.1, FIG.2, FIG.3 are same. They shows same parts in all three figures. Hence following description of reference numerals is given for FIG. 3.

* Reference numeral 1 shows point A of left arm connected to lower end of left spring 10 in such a way that there is joint at point A and left arm 5 can rotate around this joint.
* Reference numeral 2 shows point B of left arm 5 connected to hollow pipe in such a way that there is joint at point B and left arm 5 can rotate freely around point B in 180 degree or more.
* Reference numeral 3 shows point C of right arm 6 connected to hollow pipe in such a way that there is joint at point C and right arm 6 can rotate freely around point C in 180 degree or more.
* Reference numeral 4 shows point D of right arm connected to lower end of right spring 14 in such a way that there is joint at point D and right arm 6 can rotate around this joint.
* Reference numeral 5 shows left arm and reference numeral 6 shows right arm. These arms can be made of any non-rigid material like iron or steel.
* Reference numeral 7 shows imaginary horizontal space line, which is used for the sake of explanation of basic idea.
* Reference numeral 8 shows hollow pipe made of any non-rigid material like iron or steel.
* Reference numeral 9 shows a platform attached to hollow pipe 8 resting on surface of earth.
* Reference numeral 10 shows left stretched spring in which elastic potential energy is stored.
* Reference numeral 11 shows a connecting point E of upper ends of left spring 10 and right spring 14. Angle AED is solid angle, which does not change due to forces acting at point E.
* Reference numeral 12 shows a bolt passing through hollow pipe 8 and attached to or supported by connecting point E 11.
* Reference numeral 13 shows a nut, which can be rotated, on bolt 12 in upward or downward direction.
* Reference numeral 14 shows right stretched spring in which elastic potential energy is stored.
* Reference numeral 15 shows point A of left spring 10.
* Reference numeral 16 shows point D of right spring 14.

DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THE PREFERRED EMBODIMENT:

Now turning to the drawings and first considering FIG.1. This figure shows basic idea embodying the present invention. If some person is standing on platform 9 and he wants to lift himself and whole structure shown in FIG. 1 upward (without aerodynamics or propellant), he need to push slightly point A 1 of left arm 5 and point D 4 of right arm 6 along imaginary horizontal space line 7 towards hollow pipe 8 i.e. center of this imaginary space line 7. If he could do so by his hand or some mechanism (which has absolutely no contact with earth whatsoever), point B 2 and point C 3 will be pushed in upward direction. And with point B 2 and point C 3, hollow pipe 8, platform 9 attached to hollow pipe 8 and the person himself, will be lifted upward. That means the person and whole structure shown in fig.1 will be up in space stationary with absolutely no contact with earth whatsoever.

Now turning to FIG. 2. In this figure two springs, of same stiffness, are shown. Left spring 10 is connected to right spring 14 at point E 11 in such a way that both springs make some angle at point E 11. Now the basic central idea goes as follows.

Point A 15 of left spring 10 is in your left hand and point D 16 of right spring 14 is in your right hand. Connecting point E 11 is pointing towards sky i.e. this structure is vertical. If you pull point A 15 of left spring towards point A 1 of left arm 5 and if you pull point D 16 of right spring 14 towards point D 4 of right arm 6 in such a way that "angle AED does not change", then point E will remain stationary in space. That means the spring force in both stretched springs is directed only towards point E 11. Even though we are pulling both springs towards earth, point E 11 does not move towards point A 1 or point D 4 because this point E 11 can not move in two different directions. Hence point E 11 just remains stationary in space and does not move towards earth. The spring force at point A of stretched left spring 10 and at point D of stretched right spring 14 is "unidirectional force". Due to this unidirectional force, any mass connected to point A 1 of left spring 10 and point D 4 of right spring 14, will now move in only one direction i.e. towards point E 11. This constitutes basic central idea of this invention.



Now turning to FIG. 3, basic structure shown in FIG. 1 is attached to basic unidirectional force generating structure shown in FIG. 2. Point A 1 of left arm 5 is attached to lower end of left spring 10 and point D 4 of right arm 6 is attached to lower end of right spring 14 in such a way that left arm 5 can rotate freely around point A 1 and right arm 6 can rotate freely around point D 4. Bolt 12 is connected to point E 11 and is passing through hollow pipe 8. The unidirectional force in both springs 10 and 14 is acting on point A 1 of left arm 5 and point D 4 of right arm 6. Due to this unidirectional force, point A 1 of left arm 5 and point D 4 of right am 6 are pulled towards point E 11. Due to this pull, force is exerted on point B 2, point C 3, hollow pipe 8 and platform 9. The upward resultant force acting on point B 2 and point C 3 is controlled by nut 13.

The mass of platform 9 is greater than mass of basic unidirectional force generating device shown in FIG.2 just to give stability to whole device shown in FIG.3
in such a way that upper side of device does not tilt. The resultant upward force due to spring force in springs 10 & 14 at point B 2 and point C 3 is greater than total downward gravitational force acting on whole device as shown in FIG.3.

When we rotate the nut very slowly so that this nut moves in upward direction over bolt, the point B 2 and point C 3 also moves in upward direction. And with point B 2 and point C 3, hollow pipe 8 and platform 9 also moves in upward direction while point E 11 remains in space where it was. This causes the whole device shown in FIG. 3 to be stationary in space with no contact of whole device with earth or planet whatsoever. If the device shown in FIG.3 is in space, we can attach any desired mass to point B 2 and point C 3 so that it moves in desired direction in controlled way. If the mass is moving, we can change it's velocity or direction in desired way by applying unidirectional force.

What is disclosed is best known method and principle mechanism to carry out the invention. However, applying the same principle mechanism, we can construct a device, which might look visibly completely different from shown in FIG.3. For example,

* Upper ends of left spring 10 and right spring 14 can be connected by horizontal rod instead of single point E 11. As long as opposite reaction starting from upper ends of both springs 10 and 14 are travelling in different directions, it does not matter whether upper ends are connected by single point, horizontal rod or any body of any shape.

* Instead of stretched springs 10 and 14, stretched or compressed springs, shock-ups, rubber bands, zigzag metal rods, circular or spiral shaped systems, magnets or electromagnets, devices working on hydraulics or air pressure can be used.

* What is necessary is source of elastic potential energy or potential energy in system, in which both ends of system are moving or made to move towards each other or away from each other, in accordance with Newton's third law of motion, due to stored elastic potential energy or potential energy in system.

* In FIG.3, only two systems 10 and 14 are shown in two dimensions. Instead of two systems, three or more systems can be arranged in three dimensions forming cone like structure.

* The upper ends of every system can be connected to horizontal rod; circular, triangular, square shaped rod, any suitable structure or platform. Lower ends of every system can be connected to one end of separate arms like left arm 5 and right arm 6. The other end of these arms may be connected to hollow pipe at point B 2 and point C 3 in three dimension.

* Point B 2 and point C 3 in FIG. 3 are supported by hollow pipe 8, platform 9 and ultimately by earth or planet. But instead of hollow pipe or platform, any structure which has mass, can be connected to point B 2 and point C 3, which is ultimately resting on earth or planet initially and which we want to move in desired direction by applying unidirectional force.

* In FIG.3, angle AED can range from zero degree to 180 degree. Stiffness, rigidity, masses and a length of springs 10, 14, or any system, arms 5, 6 depends upon the application in which this device may be used.

* In FIG.3, we have used stretched springs 10 and 14 as source of elastic potential energy. But we can also use compressed springs as source of elastic potential energy and by changing angle EAB and angle EDC in accordance with trigonometry, we can move point B 2 and point C 3 in desired direction.

* In FIG.3, to give stability to both springs 10 and 14, we can pass two straight rods through the center of both springs parallel to length of springs. The rods can be passed in such a way that one end of each rod is connected to each other at point E 11 and other end of both rods are free at point A 1 and point D 4 respectively. Or these springs can be inside pipe just to give stability to spring.

Disclosed is a scientific principle and mechanism to generate unidirectional force. From this disclosure, it is clear that any person skilled in art and engineering can think of different designs, using different systems but applying disclosed scientific principle and mechanism to generate unidirectional force without compromising spirit and scope of this invention.

Dated this 30th day of July 2003

Signature of Applicant:
Name of Applicant: Patil Abhijit Brijalal
To,
The Controller of Patents,
The Patent Office, At - Mumbai.

-Abhi.

[Zep]

Y'know, if I wasn't so sure Kumar lived in California, I could SWEAR this was his patent application...

[Zombified]

Quote:

Originally posted by Zep
Y'know, if I wasn't so sure Kumar lived in California, I could SWEAR this was his patent application...

...except it's missing "and therefore homeopathy works."

[Zep]

Quote:

Originally posted by Zombified
...except it's missing "and therefore homeopathy works."

True! But if it WAS Kumar, that would not be long in following, I'm sure.

Really, I haven't seen such childish misrepresentations of physics in years:

Quote:

Likewise on earth or any planet, if we want to keep some body at some distance just above earth's surface, like that of stationary helicopter in air, constant supply of energy and air is needed. Using conventional means, it is not possible to keep some body stationary just above earth's surface in vacuum. Any body just falls on earth or any planet in absence of gas and propellant.

[Dr Adequate]

Quote:

Originally posted by rppa
There appears to be a contradiction here.

I said:
Now if this is your claim, then you should be willing to let the good folks at JREF examine the interior, right?

And got the response:
We have not ruled this out.

But when Zombified asked:
What can you tell us about it's structure or mode of operation? Can you confirm there are no internal motors, for example?

the response was:
The devices internal structure is proprietary.

There's a difference between revealing all to the JREF for a cool million, and just posting the details on a public site, surely?

[Dr Adequate]

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When in two or more systems points, from which the opposite reaction in said systems is supposed to start, are connected to each other in such a way that these points are forced to travel in different directions, then due to connectivity, the opposite reaction in said systems is halted and only action takes place in these systems.

Er...