Project artichoke

geni · 20th October 2004, 06:49 PM

Is this real? I can't find anything that isn't a wikipedia mirror or a conspiracy websites. there seem to be claims it's linked to project MK delta which throws up links which are even stranger.

Question · 20th October 2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by geni
Is this real? I can't find anything that isn't a wikipedia mirror or a conspiracy websites. there seem to be claims it's linked to project MK delta which throws up links which are even stranger.

of course it's real, and youre in it up to your neck!!

Kopji · 22nd October 2004, 10:33 PM

I dunno. The CIA's done some weird stuff, but they also have a vested interest in deception. So when does the deception end and the truth start?

This seems like a more serious book, written with use of Freedom of Information docs. Text is on line.

"In Search of the Manchurian Candidate"
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks.htm

If the title is patterned after those other "in search of" things, that's not a hopeful start.

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1951 Project BLUEBIRD was renamed Project ARTICHOKE. The CIA director approved a liaison with the Army and Navy who were interested in finding a truth drug. Another liaison was formed with the Air Force who wanted to study interrogation techniques. Information was also exchanged with the Canadian and British governments.

Some of Project ARTICHOKE's experimental subjects included: suspected agents, suspected double agents, people who "had a known reason for deception," American college students (supposedly for more benign testing), and foreigners (since the CIA was more likely to try certain procedures out on them rather than American citizens.) "Terminal," or "to the death" experiments were usually carried out in other countries.[21]

According to Bowart, the control method used on two agents involved drugs and hypnosis (narco-hypnosis). The subjects were hypnotically regressed and made to relive past experiences. Posthypnotic suggestions were given to induce total amnesia of their interrogations. The CIA called this experiment "very successful."[22]

[20] John D. Marks, The Search For "The Manchurian Candidate" (New York, New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1991) 25.

[21] Marks, 34.

[22] Walter H. Bowart, Operation Mind Control: Our Secret Government's War Against Its Own People (New York: Dell Publishing Company, 1978) 102.

[23] John D. Marks, The Search For "The Manchurian Candidate" (New York, New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1991) 38-39.

The 'past life regression' thing is an assumption. I remember at least one text that claimed they were all a type of hallucination.

Kopji · 22nd October 2004, 11:32 PM

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In hypnotic tones that had to be translated into Russian by an interpreter, the consultant used the technique of "regression" to convince the subject he was talking to his wife Eva at some earlier time in his life. This was no easy trick, since a male interpreter was playing Eva. Nevertheless, the consultant states he could "create any fantasy" with 60 to 70 percent of his patients, using narcotherapy (as in this case) or hypnosis. For roughly an hour, the subject seemed to have no idea he was not speaking with his wife but with CIA operatives trying to find out about his relationship with Soviet intelligence.

Interesting book. The 'past life regression' comment is in reference to above.

20th October 2004, 06:49 PM	#1
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,559	Project artichoke Is this real? I can't find anything that isn't a wikipedia mirror or a conspiracy websites. there seem to be claims it's linked to project MK delta which throws up links which are even stranger.

20th October 2004, 06:51 PM	#2
Question Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 419	Re: Project artichoke Quote: Originally posted by geni Is this real? I can't find anything that isn't a wikipedia mirror or a conspiracy websites. there seem to be claims it's linked to project MK delta which throws up links which are even stranger. of course it's real, and youre in it up to your neck!!
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22nd October 2004, 10:33 PM	#3
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	I dunno. The CIA's done some weird stuff, but they also have a vested interest in deception. So when does the deception end and the truth start? This seems like a more serious book, written with use of Freedom of Information docs. Text is on line. "In Search of the Manchurian Candidate" http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks.htm If the title is patterned after those other "in search of" things, that's not a hopeful start. Quote: 1951 Project BLUEBIRD was renamed Project ARTICHOKE. The CIA director approved a liaison with the Army and Navy who were interested in finding a truth drug. Another liaison was formed with the Air Force who wanted to study interrogation techniques. Information was also exchanged with the Canadian and British governments. Some of Project ARTICHOKE's experimental subjects included: suspected agents, suspected double agents, people who "had a known reason for deception," American college students (supposedly for more benign testing), and foreigners (since the CIA was more likely to try certain procedures out on them rather than American citizens.) "Terminal," or "to the death" experiments were usually carried out in other countries.[21] According to Bowart, the control method used on two agents involved drugs and hypnosis (narco-hypnosis). The subjects were hypnotically regressed and made to relive past experiences. Posthypnotic suggestions were given to induce total amnesia of their interrogations. The CIA called this experiment "very successful."[22] [20] John D. Marks, The Search For "The Manchurian Candidate" (New York, New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1991) 25. [21] Marks, 34. [22] Walter H. Bowart, Operation Mind Control: Our Secret Government's War Against Its Own People (New York: Dell Publishing Company, 1978) 102. [23] John D. Marks, The Search For "The Manchurian Candidate" (New York, New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1991) 38-39. The 'past life regression' thing is an assumption. I remember at least one text that claimed they were all a type of hallucination.

22nd October 2004, 11:32 PM	#4
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	Quote: In hypnotic tones that had to be translated into Russian by an interpreter, the consultant used the technique of "regression" to convince the subject he was talking to his wife Eva at some earlier time in his life. This was no easy trick, since a male interpreter was playing Eva. Nevertheless, the consultant states he could "create any fantasy" with 60 to 70 percent of his patients, using narcotherapy (as in this case) or hypnosis. For roughly an hour, the subject seemed to have no idea he was not speaking with his wife but with CIA operatives trying to find out about his relationship with Soviet intelligence. Interesting book. The 'past life regression' comment is in reference to above.