warren county and the death of democracy

Magyar · 11th November 2004, 04:11 PM

Warren county claims to have received warning from home land security (denied by the FBI and HS)Shot down the count. This and 100s if not 1000s of issues with the elections.

http://www.votersunite.org/electionp...roblemtype=ALL

has moved the issue of troubled electron far beyond the
easy dismissal of tinfoil wearing cooks.

I am not sold on the idea of a vast conspiracy, but we DO have historical precedence that US elections can be effected by
fraud (JFK and IL is a historical fact).
1800 our vote received OVER 200,000 calls on election day.
There are ALL kinds of major issues with the election!
Could they be legitimately explained? Yes they could, but it seems that EVERY single republican is HELL BENT on NOT having transparency and examining this issue.

I wonder how it is that republicans could justify spending MILLIONS on investigating a blow job but NOT the most fundamental requirement for a democracy - a reliable accurate election that the electorate could have confidence in - perhaps they are not interested in having democracy.
And what is next?

The "ban on gay marriage that was a farce, a large portion of the
US electorate has demonstrated that they are more than willing to "vote" based on religious and social bigotry and hatred.
The patriot act coupled with some of the most extreme Christian fundies gaining and grabbing power I do believe that there is a legitimate threat that this nation may turn into a theocracy.

Grammatron · 11th November 2004, 04:22 PM

Throw in a grassy nole and a UFO for a royal flush.

Rob Lister · 11th November 2004, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grammatron
Throw in a grassy nole and a UFO for a royal flush.

Alcoa Inc, the makers of Reynolds WrapÂ®, are a sure thing this election season. I'm recommending a buy.

Magyar · 11th November 2004, 05:49 PM

You see NOTHING wrong with the fact that the Coyahoga county
election offical - who just happens to BE the head of the Bush campaign in OH - decides to pass a new law on Nov 9th,
that is retroactive to the election on Nov 2 that invalidates
untold number of votes(since we're not counting them) that were cast on Nov 2nd and met ALL the legal requirements!

"The new ruling in Cuyahoga County mandates that provisional ballots in yellow packets must be â€œRejectedâ€ if there is no â€œdate of birthâ€ on the packet. The Free Press obtained copies of the original â€œProvisional Verification Procedureâ€ from Cuyahoga County which stated â€œDate of birth is not mandatory and should not reject a provisional ballot.â€ The original procedure required the voterâ€™s name, address and a signature that matched the signature in the countyâ€™s database."
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985

Yea I guess I better get my reynolds rap hat and MORE on because you're either LYING or you simply care nothing for a legal election as long as your guy wins. Maybe the "cooks" aren't that far off after all. This kind of sarcastic, obvious disregards for anything that resembles ethics, honesty or integrity has permiated the republican culture for years. Now it's in it's glory
let the goose stepping begin - Hail shrub.

WildCat · 11th November 2004, 06:20 PM

Even if 100% of the provisional ballots were valid (extremely unlikely), and Kerry got 100% of those provisional votes (even more unlikely), he'd still lose.

You're missing the big issue - chemtrails! What about the chemtrails?!! Don't you know what they're doing!!!! They're killing us all, I tell you!!!

Magyar · 12th November 2004, 05:24 AM

You're missing the big issue
________________________________________________

NO, YOU are the one missing the point. Are you being deliberately optuse?
________________________________________________
(U)It ISN'T about who won!(/U)
It's about;
HOW they won
HOW the right to vote is controled
Which votes count,
Which votes don't
AND WHO, HOW and WHEN they decide!

And how a single person can change this WITHOUT any oversight at all on a whim for what appears to be nothing but pure politics!

Did you bother to read the story in the link or are you just
deliberatly ignoring facts?
So much for a skeptic forum. You people are just another flavor of woo-woo. Who cares about facts, as long your guy won.

Savagemutt · 12th November 2004, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magyar
You're missing the big issue
________________________________________________

NO, YOU are the one missing the point. Are you being deliberately optuse?
________________________________________________
(U)It ISN'T about who won!(/U)
It's about;
HOW they won
HOW the right to vote is controled
Which votes count,
Which votes don't
AND WHO, HOW and WHEN they decide!

And how a single person can change this WITHOUT any oversight at all on a whim for what appears to be nothing but pure politics!

Did you bother to read the story in the link or are you just
deliberatly ignoring facts?
So much for a skeptic forum. You people are just another flavor of woo-woo. Who cares about facts, as long your guy won.

My guy didn't win, but you're jumping the gun with your fear-mongering. Mis-counts, machine-error and vote-tampering are nothing new. That they happened in this election isn't a surprise. So what you have to show now, is that this time its something different...that there really is a national conspiracy designed to install a president (or whatever) against the will of the people. This you have not shown. When you can provide evidence of that, then you will find interested readers in this forum.

If there is fraud at a local level, and it can be proven, it will be dealt with at the local level.

Rob Lister · 12th November 2004, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Magyar
So much for a skeptic forum. You people are just another flavor of woo-woo. Who cares about facts, as long your guy won.

As far as politics is concerned, woo rules here as much as anywhere. That said, be advised that this forum was/is roughly 80/20% against the re-election of Bush. Search the archives for some of the various polls.

As far as your link goes...so what. Did they do anything illegal? Were they within their rights to do what they did? Would it matter anyway? Would it change the outcome of the election? Is your benie shiney? <---just kidding.

If you want to see how important this story is, go to the official DNC website and find reference to it.

11th November 2004, 04:11 PM	#1
Magyar Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the edge of reason Posts: 1,564	warren county and the death of democracy Warren county claims to have received warning from home land security (denied by the FBI and HS)Shot down the count. This and 100s if not 1000s of issues with the elections. http://www.votersunite.org/electionp...roblemtype=ALL has moved the issue of troubled electron far beyond the easy dismissal of tinfoil wearing cooks. I am not sold on the idea of a vast conspiracy, but we DO have historical precedence that US elections can be effected by fraud (JFK and IL is a historical fact). 1800 our vote received OVER 200,000 calls on election day. There are ALL kinds of major issues with the election! Could they be legitimately explained? Yes they could, but it seems that EVERY single republican is HELL BENT on NOT having transparency and examining this issue. I wonder how it is that republicans could justify spending MILLIONS on investigating a blow job but NOT the most fundamental requirement for a democracy - a reliable accurate election that the electorate could have confidence in - perhaps they are not interested in having democracy. And what is next? The "ban on gay marriage that was a farce, a large portion of the US electorate has demonstrated that they are more than willing to "vote" based on religious and social bigotry and hatred. The patriot act coupled with some of the most extreme Christian fundies gaining and grabbing power I do believe that there is a legitimate threat that this nation may turn into a theocracy.

11th November 2004, 04:22 PM	#2
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Throw in a grassy nole and a UFO for a royal flush.
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11th November 2004, 05:49 PM	#4
Magyar Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the edge of reason Posts: 1,564	So let me get this straight You see NOTHING wrong with the fact that the Coyahoga county election offical - who just happens to BE the head of the Bush campaign in OH - decides to pass a new law on Nov 9th, that is retroactive to the election on Nov 2 that invalidates untold number of votes(since we're not counting them) that were cast on Nov 2nd and met ALL the legal requirements! "The new ruling in Cuyahoga County mandates that provisional ballots in yellow packets must be â€œRejectedâ€ if there is no â€œdate of birthâ€ on the packet. The Free Press obtained copies of the original â€œProvisional Verification Procedureâ€ from Cuyahoga County which stated â€œDate of birth is not mandatory and should not reject a provisional ballot.â€ The original procedure required the voterâ€™s name, address and a signature that matched the signature in the countyâ€™s database." http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/985 Yea I guess I better get my reynolds rap hat and MORE on because you're either LYING or you simply care nothing for a legal election as long as your guy wins. Maybe the "cooks" aren't that far off after all. This kind of sarcastic, obvious disregards for anything that resembles ethics, honesty or integrity has permiated the republican culture for years. Now it's in it's glory let the goose stepping begin - Hail shrub.

12th November 2004, 05:38 AM	#7
Savagemutt Thinker Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 127	Quote: Originally posted by Magyar You're missing the big issue ________________________________________________ NO, YOU are the one missing the point. Are you being deliberately optuse? ________________________________________________ (U)It ISN'T about who won!(/U) It's about; HOW they won HOW the right to vote is controled Which votes count, Which votes don't AND WHO, HOW and WHEN they decide! And how a single person can change this WITHOUT any oversight at all on a whim for what appears to be nothing but pure politics! Did you bother to read the story in the link or are you just deliberatly ignoring facts? So much for a skeptic forum. You people are just another flavor of woo-woo. Who cares about facts, as long your guy won. My guy didn't win, but you're jumping the gun with your fear-mongering. Mis-counts, machine-error and vote-tampering are nothing new. That they happened in this election isn't a surprise. So what you have to show now, is that this time its something different...that there really is a national conspiracy designed to install a president (or whatever) against the will of the people. This you have not shown. When you can provide evidence of that, then you will find interested readers in this forum. If there is fraud at a local level, and it can be proven, it will be dealt with at the local level.
Savagemutt Thinker Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 127

11th November 2004, 04:29 PM	#3
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Quote: Originally posted by Grammatron Throw in a grassy nole and a UFO for a royal flush. Alcoa Inc, the makers of Reynolds WrapÂ®, are a sure thing this election season. I'm recommending a buy.

11th November 2004, 06:20 PM	#5
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,449	Even if 100% of the provisional ballots were valid (extremely unlikely), and Kerry got 100% of those provisional votes (even more unlikely), he'd still lose. You're missing the big issue - chemtrails! What about the chemtrails?!! Don't you know what they're doing!!!! They're killing us all, I tell you!!!

12th November 2004, 05:24 AM	#6
Magyar Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the edge of reason Posts: 1,564	You're missing the big issue ________________________________________________ NO, YOU are the one missing the point. Are you being deliberately optuse? ________________________________________________ (U)It ISN'T about who won!(/U) It's about; HOW they won HOW the right to vote is controled Which votes count, Which votes don't AND WHO, HOW and WHEN they decide! And how a single person can change this WITHOUT any oversight at all on a whim for what appears to be nothing but pure politics! Did you bother to read the story in the link or are you just deliberatly ignoring facts? So much for a skeptic forum. You people are just another flavor of woo-woo. Who cares about facts, as long your guy won.

12th November 2004, 05:40 AM	#8
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Quote: Originally posted by Magyar So much for a skeptic forum. You people are just another flavor of woo-woo. Who cares about facts, as long your guy won. As far as politics is concerned, woo rules here as much as anywhere. That said, be advised that this forum was/is roughly 80/20% against the re-election of Bush. Search the archives for some of the various polls. As far as your link goes...so what. Did they do anything illegal? Were they within their rights to do what they did? Would it matter anyway? Would it change the outcome of the election? Is your benie shiney? <---just kidding. If you want to see how important this story is, go to the official DNC website and find reference to it.