Is there another country where GW is welcomed?

Tmy · 30th November 2004, 09:05 AM

Seems like whenever Bush visits a foriegn countryt is is always met by large protesting crowds. Is there a place where he is met with cheers? Is there a country where the people are fond of him?

This prez must make the Secret Services job extra tough.

corplinx · 30th November 2004, 09:51 AM

Clinton was protested in greece, turkey, etc. Hating the US isn't a new sport. It just gets noticed by a new set of people when they hate the guy in charge too.

Luke T. · 30th November 2004, 10:28 AM

I think Greenland would welcome Global Warming...

ManfredVonRichthoffen · 30th November 2004, 10:28 AM

He's huge in Palau. The Palauans can't get enough of him.

Jorghnassen · 30th November 2004, 10:29 AM

Don't forget Poland!

/had to do it

El Greco · 30th November 2004, 11:41 AM

Albania & FYROM. I bet he'd love it there.

Kopji · 30th November 2004, 11:54 AM

I suspect his popularity goes up here when he's away.

TragicMonkey · 30th November 2004, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by El Greco
Albania & FYROM. I bet he'd love it there.

Nah, it's "Macedonia" now, remember?

Is that teeth I hear grinding?

BTW, Alexander the Great was a complete homo! Lol.

El Greco · 30th November 2004, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Nah, it's "Macedonia" now, remember?

Is that teeth I hear grinding?

BTW, Alexander the Great was a complete homo! Lol.

You don't see the big picture:

1. Fact: We (Greeks) knew that Alexander was going to be depicted as a complete homo.
2. Problem: We don't want people worldwide to associate Greece with homosexuality.
3. Fact: Everybody knows that Alexander was Macedonian.
4. Solution: Dissociate Macedonia from Greece by recognizing FYROM as Macedonia.
5. Problem: We can't do it ourselves because we've been maintaining completely different things in the past.
6. Solution: Make Americans do it.

Problem solved.

TragicMonkey · 30th November 2004, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by El Greco
You don't see the big picture:

1. Fact: We (Greeks) knew that Alexander was going to be depicted as a complete homo.
2. Problem: We don't want people worldwide to associate Greece with homosexuality.
3. Fact: Everybody knows that Alexander was Macedonian.
4. Solution: Dissociate Macedonia from Greece by recognizing FYROM as Macedonia.
5. Problem: We can't do it ourselves because we've been maintaining completely different things in the past.
6. Solution: Make Americans do it.

Problem solved.

Sneaky. At least we've all learned not to trust Greeks. I'll be keeping a sharp eye on---hey! Is that a wooden horse! Wow! Is it for sale? How much?

CBL4 · 30th November 2004, 12:52 PM

Kuwait and most of Afghanistan.

Eleatic Stranger · 30th November 2004, 04:44 PM

Quote:

2. Problem: We don't want people worldwide to associate Greece with homosexuality.

Don't you think it's just a little too late for that? I mean, seriously here.....

Luke T. · 30th November 2004, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by El Greco
2. Problem: We don't want people worldwide to associate Greece with homosexuality.

You need to play up the role of the Isle of Lesbos in homosexual culture. Gay male homosexuality: uncool. Gay female homosexuality: very cool.

LostAngeles · 30th November 2004, 04:50 PM

He's big in Belgium...

CapelDodger · 30th November 2004, 05:14 PM

Alexander's father Philip was the chap that made Macedonia a player. He did it by expanding away from Greece, while putting a little effort into exploiting Greek disarray. (Go players will appreciate the strategy.) Many Greeks recognised the threat, of course and as a result some of the greatest Greek rhetoric is directed towards proving the Macedonians not to be Greek. In fact, lower than honest barbarians such as the Scythians (previously given a bad press). It's for modern Greeks to out-do the classicals.

The Greeks actually named their Macedonian province because they were prevented from taking Macedonia itself by the Bulgarians and Serbs during the Balkan Wars. They used the name to establish a future claim. Irony, thou art Balkan.

Dorian Gray · 30th November 2004, 08:58 PM

Texas and Jesusland.

demon · 30th November 2004, 09:33 PM

Bad enough he's coming to the UK again next spring so I hear but he`ll be about as welcome as last time when he was rushed through the streets of London and kept out of earshot of protestors...poor thing.

It heartens me that he is not welcome in many countries especially because it shows that people are not willing to put aside the knowledge that this man is personally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people and destroyed lives of tens of thousands more. Why on earth would anyone feel honored that he is visiting them?
On the other hand, there are always those in the rich countries who have such short attention spans and such a weak ability to think in context that he`ll always be able to sneak through the door somehow.

TriangleMan · 1st December 2004, 04:35 AM

Bermuda is generally "pro-Bush" and most here were glad that he won the election.

Kilted_Canuck · 1st December 2004, 06:38 AM

This is Bush's FIRST official visit to the US' biggest trading partner. In his first four years he valued us enough to 1. Not mention us as helping after Sept. 11th 2. Never get his sorry behind across the border and meet with the PM; and 3. Has totally disregarded the Border Beef crisis we've had for the last 2 years.

TragicMonkey · 1st December 2004, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kilted_Canuck
This is Bush's FIRST official visit to the US' biggest trading partner. In his first four years he valued us enough to 1. Not mention us as helping after Sept. 11th 2. Never get his sorry behind across the border and meet with the PM; and 3. Has totally disregarded the Border Beef crisis we've had for the last 2 years.

Holy crap! There are people living north of the border now? When did this happen, and why wasn't anyone told?

Bearguin · 1st December 2004, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kilted_Canuck
This is Bush's FIRST official visit to the US' biggest trading partner. In his first four years he valued us enough to 1. Not mention us as helping after Sept. 11th 2. Never get his sorry behind across the border and meet with the PM; and 3. Has totally disregarded the Border Beef crisis we've had for the last 2 years.

To be fair, I think Chretian's attitudes had a lot to do with this. PM has already shown himself to be more of a statesman then Chretian ever was.

Doesn't really excuse 1 and 3 above though. Especially not thanking Cdns for helping out on Sept 11th. That was a huge slap in the face IMHO.

varwoche · 1st December 2004, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TriangleMan
Bermuda is generally "pro-Bush" and most here were glad that he won the election.

No doubt, Bermuda is welcoming of US companies moving offshore, and US policies that encourage same.

Stereolab · 1st December 2004, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by varwoche
No doubt, Bermuda is welcoming of US companies moving offshore, and US policies that encourage same.

I figured they were all happy about Bush because they were all smoking dope down there on their island paradise.

TriangleMan · 1st December 2004, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by varwoche
No doubt, Bermuda is welcoming of US companies moving offshore, and US policies that encourage same.

There were three main reasons why Bermudians generally supported Bush:

1) Large business/corporate community (I'm assuming this sector generally favours Republicans in elections).

2) Bermudians by and large are devout Christians so there are a lot of conservative-Christian 'moral values' types.

3) Apparantly (I haven't looked into this) Kerry specifically targeted Bermuda in a couple of his election speeches.

Elind · 1st December 2004, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tmy
Seems like whenever Bush visits a foriegn countryt is is always met by large protesting crowds. Is there a place where he is met with cheers? Is there a country where the people are fond of him?

This prez must make the Secret Services job extra tough.

Reasonable people don't take time off work (I always wonder where most demonstrators work) just to cheer someone they agree with; they continue with life.

Questioninggeller · 1st December 2004, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by corplinx
Clinton was protested in greece, turkey, etc. Hating the US isn't a new sport. It just gets noticed by a new set of people when they hate the guy in charge too.

You don't thinkk Bush is hated more than Clinton in the international community? The US invading and occupying Iraq is different than NATO bombing Kosov.

epepke · 1st December 2004, 05:59 PM

Could y'all please decide whether GW means George W Bush or Global Warming?

da bear · 1st December 2004, 06:12 PM

I just shake my head at the guy. He really seems to not get things sometimes.

No, we're not going to help you out with getting your beef across the border again. No, we're not going to straighten out the soft wood lumber issue with you.

Hey, how about you people let us put missiles in your country so that we can blow up enemy missiles over top of you that are heading our way?

30th November 2004, 09:05 AM	#1
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Is there another country where GW is welcomed? Seems like whenever Bush visits a foriegn countryt is is always met by large protesting crowds. Is there a place where he is met with cheers? Is there a country where the people are fond of him? This prez must make the Secret Services job extra tough.
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30th November 2004, 09:51 AM	#2
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Clinton was protested in greece, turkey, etc. Hating the US isn't a new sport. It just gets noticed by a new set of people when they hate the guy in charge too.
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30th November 2004, 10:28 AM	#3
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30th November 2004, 11:41 AM	#6
El Greco Summer worshipper Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Παρά θιν'αλός Posts: 14,257	Albania & FYROM. I bet he'd love it there.
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30th November 2004, 12:14 PM	#8
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,052	Quote: Originally posted by El Greco Albania & FYROM. I bet he'd love it there. Nah, it's "Macedonia" now, remember? Is that teeth I hear grinding? BTW, Alexander the Great was a complete homo! Lol.
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30th November 2004, 10:28 AM	#4
ManfredVonRichthoffen Mook Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,513	He's huge in Palau. The Palauans can't get enough of him.

30th November 2004, 10:29 AM	#5
Jorghnassen Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The realm of ideas Posts: 3,881	Don't forget Poland! /had to do it

30th November 2004, 11:54 AM	#7
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	I suspect his popularity goes up here when he's away.

30th November 2004, 12:35 PM	#9
El Greco Summer worshipper Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Παρά θιν'αλός Posts: 14,257	Quote: Originally posted by TragicMonkey Nah, it's "Macedonia" now, remember? Is that teeth I hear grinding? BTW, Alexander the Great was a complete homo! Lol. You don't see the big picture: 1. Fact: We (Greeks) knew that Alexander was going to be depicted as a complete homo. 2. Problem: We don't want people worldwide to associate Greece with homosexuality. 3. Fact: Everybody knows that Alexander was Macedonian. 4. Solution: Dissociate Macedonia from Greece by recognizing FYROM as Macedonia. 5. Problem: We can't do it ourselves because we've been maintaining completely different things in the past. 6. Solution: Make Americans do it. Problem solved.
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30th November 2004, 12:44 PM	#10
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,052	Quote: Originally posted by El Greco You don't see the big picture: 1. Fact: We (Greeks) knew that Alexander was going to be depicted as a complete homo. 2. Problem: We don't want people worldwide to associate Greece with homosexuality. 3. Fact: Everybody knows that Alexander was Macedonian. 4. Solution: Dissociate Macedonia from Greece by recognizing FYROM as Macedonia. 5. Problem: We can't do it ourselves because we've been maintaining completely different things in the past. 6. Solution: Make Americans do it. Problem solved. Sneaky. At least we've all learned not to trust Greeks. I'll be keeping a sharp eye on---hey! Is that a wooden horse! Wow! Is it for sale? How much?
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30th November 2004, 12:52 PM	#11
CBL4 Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,349	Kuwait and most of Afghanistan.
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30th November 2004, 04:44 PM	#12
Eleatic Stranger Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 439	Quote: 2. Problem: We don't want people worldwide to associate Greece with homosexuality. Don't you think it's just a little too late for that? I mean, seriously here.....

30th November 2004, 04:49 PM	#13
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Quote: Originally posted by El Greco 2. Problem: We don't want people worldwide to associate Greece with homosexuality. You need to play up the role of the Isle of Lesbos in homosexual culture. Gay male homosexuality: uncool. Gay female homosexuality: very cool.
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30th November 2004, 04:50 PM	#14
LostAngeles Anti-WM Jihadist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Having a cup of tea. Posts: 10,159	He's big in Belgium...
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CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,740	Alexander's father Philip was the chap that made Macedonia a player. He did it by expanding away from Greece, while putting a little effort into exploiting Greek disarray. (Go players will appreciate the strategy.) Many Greeks recognised the threat, of course and as a result some of the greatest Greek rhetoric is directed towards proving the Macedonians not to be Greek. In fact, lower than honest barbarians such as the Scythians (previously given a bad press). It's for modern Greeks to out-do the classicals. The Greeks actually named their Macedonian province because they were prevented from taking Macedonia itself by the Bulgarians and Serbs during the Balkan Wars. They used the name to establish a future claim. Irony, thou art Balkan.
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30th November 2004, 08:58 PM	#16
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30th November 2004, 09:33 PM	#17
demon Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,744	Bad enough he's coming to the UK again next spring so I hear but he`ll be about as welcome as last time when he was rushed through the streets of London and kept out of earshot of protestors...poor thing. It heartens me that he is not welcome in many countries especially because it shows that people are not willing to put aside the knowledge that this man is personally responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people and destroyed lives of tens of thousands more. Why on earth would anyone feel honored that he is visiting them? On the other hand, there are always those in the rich countries who have such short attention spans and such a weak ability to think in context that he`ll always be able to sneak through the door somehow.
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1st December 2004, 04:35 AM	#18
TriangleMan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Qatar (ya rly!) Posts: 1,207	Bermuda is generally "pro-Bush" and most here were glad that he won the election.

1st December 2004, 06:38 AM	#19
Kilted_Canuck MaterialistPatriotic AgnosticSocialistNaieve Saskatchewanian RadicalCanuckistani Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,377	This is Bush's FIRST official visit to the US' biggest trading partner. In his first four years he valued us enough to 1. Not mention us as helping after Sept. 11th 2. Never get his sorry behind across the border and meet with the PM; and 3. Has totally disregarded the Border Beef crisis we've had for the last 2 years.

1st December 2004, 06:47 AM	#20
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,052	Quote: Originally posted by Kilted_Canuck This is Bush's FIRST official visit to the US' biggest trading partner. In his first four years he valued us enough to 1. Not mention us as helping after Sept. 11th 2. Never get his sorry behind across the border and meet with the PM; and 3. Has totally disregarded the Border Beef crisis we've had for the last 2 years. Holy crap! There are people living north of the border now? When did this happen, and why wasn't anyone told?
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1st December 2004, 07:12 AM	#21
Bearguin Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,097	Quote: Originally posted by Kilted_Canuck This is Bush's FIRST official visit to the US' biggest trading partner. In his first four years he valued us enough to 1. Not mention us as helping after Sept. 11th 2. Never get his sorry behind across the border and meet with the PM; and 3. Has totally disregarded the Border Beef crisis we've had for the last 2 years. To be fair, I think Chretian's attitudes had a lot to do with this. PM has already shown himself to be more of a statesman then Chretian ever was. Doesn't really excuse 1 and 3 above though. Especially not thanking Cdns for helping out on Sept 11th. That was a huge slap in the face IMHO.
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1st December 2004, 09:47 AM	#22
varwoche Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 7,225	Quote: Originally posted by TriangleMan Bermuda is generally "pro-Bush" and most here were glad that he won the election. No doubt, Bermuda is welcoming of US companies moving offshore, and US policies that encourage same.
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1st December 2004, 09:53 AM	#23
Stereolab Massager of French Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,357	Quote: Originally posted by varwoche No doubt, Bermuda is welcoming of US companies moving offshore, and US policies that encourage same. I figured they were all happy about Bush because they were all smoking dope down there on their island paradise.

1st December 2004, 02:47 PM	#24
TriangleMan Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Qatar (ya rly!) Posts: 1,207	Quote: Originally posted by varwoche No doubt, Bermuda is welcoming of US companies moving offshore, and US policies that encourage same. There were three main reasons why Bermudians generally supported Bush: 1) Large business/corporate community (I'm assuming this sector generally favours Republicans in elections). 2) Bermudians by and large are devout Christians so there are a lot of conservative-Christian 'moral values' types. 3) Apparantly (I haven't looked into this) Kerry specifically targeted Bermuda in a couple of his election speeches.

1st December 2004, 04:57 PM	#25
Elind Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 6,621	Re: Is there another country where GW is welcomed? Quote: Originally posted by Tmy Seems like whenever Bush visits a foriegn countryt is is always met by large protesting crowds. Is there a place where he is met with cheers? Is there a country where the people are fond of him? This prez must make the Secret Services job extra tough. Reasonable people don't take time off work (I always wonder where most demonstrators work) just to cheer someone they agree with; they continue with life.

1st December 2004, 05:03 PM	#26
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,030	Quote: Originally posted by corplinx Clinton was protested in greece, turkey, etc. Hating the US isn't a new sport. It just gets noticed by a new set of people when they hate the guy in charge too. You don't thinkk Bush is hated more than Clinton in the international community? The US invading and occupying Iraq is different than NATO bombing Kosov.

1st December 2004, 05:59 PM	#27
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	Could y'all please decide whether GW means George W Bush or Global Warming?
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1st December 2004, 06:12 PM	#28
da bear Thinker Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In my igloo Posts: 175	I just shake my head at the guy. He really seems to not get things sometimes. No, we're not going to help you out with getting your beef across the border again. No, we're not going to straighten out the soft wood lumber issue with you. Hey, how about you people let us put missiles in your country so that we can blow up enemy missiles over top of you that are heading our way?
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