Proposal: Warning Stickers on Bibles

Mr Manifesto · 16th December 2004, 04:40 AM

Scroll down to the second article in the link ("Warning Stickers Needed"). This sounds like a good idea. Especially when you read about Church Leader Doyle Davidson's acolytes:

Quote:

Mental illness is Not a physical disease of the mind or will as the world would have you think it is.It is a combination of being under the Law, of the Curse of Adam,of being under the Jezebel Spirit, and of being under demonic spirits(satan)) that rule and reign in our souls and the oppression of satan in our lives

I wonder how the fundies would react to propsed warning stickers on their Bibles?

Skeptical Greg · 16th December 2004, 06:02 AM

At the very least it shoud be given an ESRB rating of M

It would be a really long label since it would have to include most of the following..

ESRB Content Descriptors

Alcohol Reference - Reference to and/or images of alcoholic beverages
Animated Blood - Discolored and/or unrealistic depictions of
blood
Blood - Depictions of blood
Blood and Gore - Depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts
Cartoon Violence - Violent actions involving cartoon-like situations and characters. May include violence where a character is unharmed after the action has been inflicted
Comic Mischief - Depictions or dialogue involving slapstick or suggestive humor
Crude Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving vulgar antics, including â€œbathroomâ€ humor
Drug Reference - Reference to and/or images of illegal drugs
Edutainment - Content of product provides user with specific skills development or reinforcement learning within an entertainment setting. Skill development is an integral part of product
Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life
Informational - Overall content of product contains data, facts, resource information, reference materials or instructional text
Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons, and depictions of human injury and death
Language - Mild to moderate use of profanity
Lyrics - Mild references to profanity, sexuality, violence, alcohol, or drug use in music
Mature Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving "adult" humor, including sexual references
Mild Violence - Mild scenes depicting characters in unsafe and/or violent situations
Nudity - Graphic or prolonged depictions of nudity
Partial Nudity - Brief and/or mild depictions of nudity
Real Gambling - Player can gamble, including betting or wagering real cash or currency
Sexual Themes - Mild to moderate sexual references and/or depictions. May include partial nudity
Sexual Violence - Depictions of rape or other sexual acts
Simulated Gambling - Player can gamble without betting or wagering real cash or currency
Some Adult Assistance May Be Needed - Intended for very young ages
Strong Language - Explicit and/or frequent use of profanity
Strong Lyrics - Explicit and/or frequent references to profanity, sex, violence, alcohol, or drug use in music
Strong Sexual Content - Graphic references to and/or depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including nudity
Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials
Tobacco Reference - Reference to and/or images of tobacco products
Use of Drugs - The consumption or use of illegal drugs
Use of Alcohol - The consumption of alcoholic beverages
Use of Tobacco - The consumption of tobacco products
Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict

KingMerv00 · 16th December 2004, 06:44 AM

WARNING: Premises in the Bible may be less coherent than they appear.

RamblingOnwards · 17th December 2004, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diogenes
Tobacco Reference - Reference to and/or images of tobacco products
..
Use of Tobacco - The consumption of tobacco products

Tobacco? I missed that.

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos · 17th December 2004, 04:53 AM

Warning: Please check with your local clergy to determine whether or not this book is the inerrant word of God.

~~ Paul

Skeptical Greg · 17th December 2004, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RamblingOnwards
Tobacco? I missed that.

Apparently you missed " .... would have to include most of the following ..." also..

Abdul Alhazred · 17th December 2004, 05:15 AM

Warning stickers on Bibles. It's been done for years.

Here in the USA it is normal for every hotel or motel room to have a Bible in it. This is the notorious "Gideon Bible" placed by the "Gideon Society" which exists for the purpose.

The only exceptions are really fancy hotels such as the Palmer House in Chicago or the Plaza in New York, and "hot sheets" motels that rent by the hour.

Maybe twenty years or so ago, some atheist outfit went around putting warning stickers on Gideon Bibles. I don't remember the exact wording but it was something like "may be hazardous to your sanity" analogous to the warnings on cigarettes.

Anyone else remember this, maybe with more details?

RussDill · 17th December 2004, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred

The only exceptions are really fancy hotels such as the Palmer House in Chicago or the Plaza in New York, and "hot sheets" motels that rent by the hour.

Or utah.

RamblingOnwards · 17th December 2004, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diogenes
Apparently you missed " .... would have to include most of the following ..." also..

I did indeed! Apologies.

Kopji · 20th December 2004, 10:53 AM

Bible Warning labels

Skull & Crossbones: "Warning: Literal Belief in this book may endanger your health and life." (3" x 2"). One dozen stickers.
Item Number: ST1 Price: $2.00
http://www.ffrf.org/shop/products/

Dr Adequate · 20th December 2004, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diogenes
Informational - Overall content of product contains data, facts, resource information, reference materials or instructional text

[smug arrogant limey mode] Americans need warning labels on things which contain facts? In case they take in a fact by accident, and their poor little brains overheat? [/smug arrogant limey mode]

Anyway, the Bible's in the clear.

Skeptical Greg · 20th December 2004, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
[smug arrogant limey mode] Americans need warning labels on things which contain facts? In case they take in a fact by accident, and their poor little brains overheat? [/smug arrogant limey mode]

Anyway, the Bible's in the clear.

Hey! Smugness not necessary...

You just pointed out a piece of idiocy I had missed..

Silicon · 20th December 2004, 02:52 PM

This one RULES!

GIDEON EXPOSED!

http://www.ffrf.org/shop/products/de...tickers&ID=ST2

Kopji · 20th December 2004, 03:08 PM

LOL I missed that one.

A side note to anyone who thinks it would just be easier and cheaper to take the Bible with and dump it in the incinerator on the way out... The Gideon's solicit and receive 'donations' from hotels where they place Bibles, so removing them increases room rates.

Belle · 20th December 2004, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kopji
A side note to anyone who thinks it would just be easier and cheaper to take the Bible with and dump it in the incinerator on the way out... The Gideon's solicit and receive 'donations' from hotels where they place Bibles, so removing them increases room rates.

Why am I not surprised?

Hey - someone's gotta pay for the bibles... but, just maybe... if everyone made it a point to deliver it to the desk saying "I don't want this - keep this thing out of my room..." if the hotels would get the hint?

Cheaper all the way around to keep a supply of about 5 bibles for every hundred rooms in the hotel, and ask at check-in if they were wanted. Wanna bet they'd never run out?

Abdul Alhazred · 20th December 2004, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred
The only exceptions are really fancy hotels such as the Palmer House in Chicago or the Plaza in New York, and "hot sheets" motels that rent by the hour.

Quote:

Originally posted by RussDill
Or utah.

Hmm. The Mormons kept the Gideons out? Are there books of Mormon in Utah motels? Or some other explanation?

Mark Twain called the Book of Mormon "chloroform in print". I have read it and must concur.

The Beatles made the Gideons famous in the non-US English speaking world in the song Rocky Raccoon. Apparently they were impressed by the ubiquitousness of Gideon Bibles on some tour of the USA.

This is much more elaborate that the one I remember, but I like it.

Kopji · 20th December 2004, 10:03 PM

I have stayed in Salt Lake Marriott and yes there are BoM's in the rooms along with Bibles.

Wrong Book of Mormon though.

(There are at least three different versions with significant differences)

16th December 2004, 04:40 AM	#1
Mr Manifesto Hierophant Walrus of the Secret Clique Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,824	Proposal: Warning Stickers on Bibles Scroll down to the second article in the link ("Warning Stickers Needed"). This sounds like a good idea. Especially when you read about Church Leader Doyle Davidson's acolytes: Quote: Mental illness is Not a physical disease of the mind or will as the world would have you think it is.It is a combination of being under the Law, of the Curse of Adam,of being under the Jezebel Spirit, and of being under demonic spirits(satan)) that rule and reign in our souls and the oppression of satan in our lives I wonder how the fundies would react to propsed warning stickers on their Bibles?

16th December 2004, 06:02 AM	#2
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	At the very least it shoud be given an ESRB rating of M It would be a really long label since it would have to include most of the following.. ESRB Content Descriptors Alcohol Reference - Reference to and/or images of alcoholic beverages Animated Blood - Discolored and/or unrealistic depictions of blood Blood - Depictions of blood Blood and Gore - Depictions of blood or the mutilation of body parts Cartoon Violence - Violent actions involving cartoon-like situations and characters. May include violence where a character is unharmed after the action has been inflicted Comic Mischief - Depictions or dialogue involving slapstick or suggestive humor Crude Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving vulgar antics, including â€œbathroomâ€ humor Drug Reference - Reference to and/or images of illegal drugs Edutainment - Content of product provides user with specific skills development or reinforcement learning within an entertainment setting. Skill development is an integral part of product Fantasy Violence - Violent actions of a fantasy nature, involving human or non-human characters in situations easily distinguishable from real life Informational - Overall content of product contains data, facts, resource information, reference materials or instructional text Intense Violence - Graphic and realistic-looking depictions of physical conflict. May involve extreme and/or realistic blood, gore, weapons, and depictions of human injury and death Language - Mild to moderate use of profanity Lyrics - Mild references to profanity, sexuality, violence, alcohol, or drug use in music Mature Humor - Depictions or dialogue involving "adult" humor, including sexual references Mild Violence - Mild scenes depicting characters in unsafe and/or violent situations Nudity - Graphic or prolonged depictions of nudity Partial Nudity - Brief and/or mild depictions of nudity Real Gambling - Player can gamble, including betting or wagering real cash or currency Sexual Themes - Mild to moderate sexual references and/or depictions. May include partial nudity Sexual Violence - Depictions of rape or other sexual acts Simulated Gambling - Player can gamble without betting or wagering real cash or currency Some Adult Assistance May Be Needed - Intended for very young ages Strong Language - Explicit and/or frequent use of profanity Strong Lyrics - Explicit and/or frequent references to profanity, sex, violence, alcohol, or drug use in music Strong Sexual Content - Graphic references to and/or depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including nudity Suggestive Themes - Mild provocative references or materials Tobacco Reference - Reference to and/or images of tobacco products Use of Drugs - The consumption or use of illegal drugs Use of Alcohol - The consumption of alcoholic beverages Use of Tobacco - The consumption of tobacco products Violence - Scenes involving aggressive conflict
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17th December 2004, 04:53 AM	#5
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17th December 2004, 05:06 AM	#6
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Quote: Originally posted by RamblingOnwards Tobacco? I missed that. Apparently you missed " .... would have to include most of the following ..." also..
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17th December 2004, 05:15 AM	#7
Abdul Alhazred Yes, that one. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,475	Re: Proposal: Warning Stickers on Bibles Warning stickers on Bibles. It's been done for years. Here in the USA it is normal for every hotel or motel room to have a Bible in it. This is the notorious "Gideon Bible" placed by the "Gideon Society" which exists for the purpose. The only exceptions are really fancy hotels such as the Palmer House in Chicago or the Plaza in New York, and "hot sheets" motels that rent by the hour. Maybe twenty years or so ago, some atheist outfit went around putting warning stickers on Gideon Bibles. I don't remember the exact wording but it was something like "may be hazardous to your sanity" analogous to the warnings on cigarettes. Anyone else remember this, maybe with more details?

16th December 2004, 06:44 AM	#3
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	WARNING: Premises in the Bible may be less coherent than they appear.

17th December 2004, 03:57 AM	#4
RamblingOnwards Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 417	Quote: Originally posted by Diogenes Tobacco Reference - Reference to and/or images of tobacco products .. Use of Tobacco - The consumption of tobacco products Tobacco? I missed that.

17th December 2004, 05:53 AM	#8
RussDill Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,325	Re: Re: Proposal: Warning Stickers on Bibles Quote: Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred The only exceptions are really fancy hotels such as the Palmer House in Chicago or the Plaza in New York, and "hot sheets" motels that rent by the hour. Or utah.
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17th December 2004, 06:36 AM	#9
RamblingOnwards Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 417	Quote: Originally posted by Diogenes Apparently you missed " .... would have to include most of the following ..." also.. I did indeed! Apologies.

20th December 2004, 10:53 AM	#10
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	Bible Warning labels Skull & Crossbones: "Warning: Literal Belief in this book may endanger your health and life." (3" x 2"). One dozen stickers. Item Number: ST1 Price: $2.00 http://www.ffrf.org/shop/products/

20th December 2004, 11:03 AM	#11
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Quote: Originally posted by Diogenes Informational - Overall content of product contains data, facts, resource information, reference materials or instructional text [smug arrogant limey mode] Americans need warning labels on things which contain facts? In case they take in a fact by accident, and their poor little brains overheat? [/smug arrogant limey mode] Anyway, the Bible's in the clear.

20th December 2004, 11:30 AM	#12
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Quote: Originally posted by Dr Adequate [smug arrogant limey mode] Americans need warning labels on things which contain facts? In case they take in a fact by accident, and their poor little brains overheat? [/smug arrogant limey mode] Anyway, the Bible's in the clear. Hey! Smugness not necessary... You just pointed out a piece of idiocy I had missed..
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20th December 2004, 02:52 PM	#13
Silicon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,644	This one RULES! GIDEON EXPOSED! http://www.ffrf.org/shop/products/de...tickers&ID=ST2
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20th December 2004, 03:08 PM	#14
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	LOL I missed that one. A side note to anyone who thinks it would just be easier and cheaper to take the Bible with and dump it in the incinerator on the way out... The Gideon's solicit and receive 'donations' from hotels where they place Bibles, so removing them increases room rates.

20th December 2004, 03:14 PM	#15
Belle Scholar Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 65	Quote: Originally posted by Kopji A side note to anyone who thinks it would just be easier and cheaper to take the Bible with and dump it in the incinerator on the way out... The Gideon's solicit and receive 'donations' from hotels where they place Bibles, so removing them increases room rates. Why am I not surprised? Hey - someone's gotta pay for the bibles... but, just maybe... if everyone made it a point to deliver it to the desk saying "I don't want this - keep this thing out of my room..." if the hotels would get the hint? Cheaper all the way around to keep a supply of about 5 bibles for every hundred rooms in the hotel, and ask at check-in if they were wanted. Wanna bet they'd never run out?
Belle Scholar Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 65	__________________ ------------------------------------------------ "Interestingly, according to modern astronomers, space is finite. This is a very comforting thought - particularly for people who can never remember where they have left things." -Woody Allen

20th December 2004, 09:47 PM	#16
Abdul Alhazred Yes, that one. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,475	Re: Re: Re: Proposal: Warning Stickers on Bibles Quote: Originally posted by Abdul Alhazred The only exceptions are really fancy hotels such as the Palmer House in Chicago or the Plaza in New York, and "hot sheets" motels that rent by the hour. Quote: Originally posted by RussDill Or utah. Hmm. The Mormons kept the Gideons out? Are there books of Mormon in Utah motels? Or some other explanation? Mark Twain called the Book of Mormon "chloroform in print". I have read it and must concur. The Beatles made the Gideons famous in the non-US English speaking world in the song Rocky Raccoon. Apparently they were impressed by the ubiquitousness of Gideon Bibles on some tour of the USA. This is much more elaborate that the one I remember, but I like it.

20th December 2004, 10:03 PM	#17
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	I have stayed in Salt Lake Marriott and yes there are BoM's in the rooms along with Bibles. Wrong Book of Mormon though. (There are at least three different versions with significant differences)