Magic: Art versus Entertainment

Cain · 18th December 2004, 07:17 PM

I will save my opinion for later.

EDIT to add:

Argh, the last option -- "mostly entertainment" -- seems to me as an indisputable empricial fact. But I'm asking each individual's opinion, not your description of the popular view.

Define "art" and "entertainment" in your reply.

Bob Klase · 19th December 2004, 01:48 AM

I don't think magic is inherently any of them. A performance may be art, or entertainment, or both. It can also easily be neither. There are performers who are artists and can't entertain their way out of of a paper bag. There are others who can entertain with very simple tricks- which likely means it's not going to be art.

And any given performer may be an entertainer and/or an artist in one performance and a boring slip-shod trickster in another.

You might as well ask if painting is art or employment. If you're Rembrandt or Picasso it was usually art. If you paint houses for a living it's employment.

So there is really no valid answer unless applied to at least a specific magician/performer and even better if applied to a specific performance.

Jeff Wagg · 19th December 2004, 04:41 PM

I've become very interested in magic lately, and I think that it's an art, thought like most art, there are varying degrees of artfulness.

When I look at something like Scotch and Soda, the art is in the original idea for such a thing, rather than the performance. A particularly good performance would of course be art as well, but I'm much more intrigued by the idea.

Now the problem with the poll is whether there's a difference between art and entertainment, or if art simply a form of entertainment.

18th December 2004, 07:17 PM	#1
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,935	Magic: Art versus Entertainment I will save my opinion for later. EDIT to add: Argh, the last option -- "mostly entertainment" -- seems to me as an indisputable empricial fact. But I'm asking each individual's opinion, not your description of the popular view. Define "art" and "entertainment" in your reply.
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19th December 2004, 01:48 AM	#2
Bob Klase Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Largo, FL Posts: 2,833	I don't think magic is inherently any of them. A performance may be art, or entertainment, or both. It can also easily be neither. There are performers who are artists and can't entertain their way out of of a paper bag. There are others who can entertain with very simple tricks- which likely means it's not going to be art. And any given performer may be an entertainer and/or an artist in one performance and a boring slip-shod trickster in another. You might as well ask if painting is art or employment. If you're Rembrandt or Picasso it was usually art. If you paint houses for a living it's employment. So there is really no valid answer unless applied to at least a specific magician/performer and even better if applied to a specific performance.

19th December 2004, 04:41 PM	#3
Jeff Wagg Eponymous Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,052	I've become very interested in magic lately, and I think that it's an art, thought like most art, there are varying degrees of artfulness. When I look at something like Scotch and Soda, the art is in the original idea for such a thing, rather than the performance. A particularly good performance would of course be art as well, but I'm much more intrigued by the idea. Now the problem with the poll is whether there's a difference between art and entertainment, or if art simply a form of entertainment.