British Court Terrorizes Law Abiding Citizen (Worse Than Al-Qaeda Would, Probably)

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 02:21 AM

A British court, clearly fascist and anti-freedom, has kept a harmless elderly man in jail because he is a threat to burglars.

So the guy who shot two home-invaders in the middle of the night is kept in jail because he defended his property from criminal terrorists who selected him because he was an old man who lived alone and now the British court won't release him?

...and yet the folks who attacked and criminally terrorized the old man were released in 2001.

All disarmed law-abiding Brits should pay attention to this case. The law-abiding British citizen doesn't mean jack to the British government anymore. Brits are criminal-fodder (the new type of cannon fodder) and criminal terrorists have just been given the green light to rob the elderly at will because then the British terrorist courts will put the elderly in jail instead of the criminal!

British cowards! How could you possibly allow this happen?

Since the rest of Europe is ten times more afraid of the ideals and heroism the old man who the corrupt British court incarcerated for defending his property possesses, no wonder Europe is weak in the knees in the war on terrorism and cowardly in response to Saddam.

The only folks Europe declares war on is the law-abiding--especially the elderly.

JK

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 02:24 AM

I think it is time for Amnesty International to step in and rescue this elderly man from British government terrorism. This is the type of thing that is supposed to happen in 4th world countries, not Britain. I wonder if some corrupt British government communist-socialist wants the elderly guy in jail so he can die there and then his property can then be stolen.

Yep, sounds like an Amnesty International case to me. Anyone know if the guy who defended his property and is now in prison for exercising his right to be alive is Jewish? That would also feed into what is currently happening in Europe too.

JK

iain · 28th January 2003, 02:31 AM

I believe there has been a lot of controversy about this case in the UK over the last couple of years.

The way British law works is that it is very difficult to get time off your prison sentence if you refuse to admit your guilt for a crime of which you have been found guilty.

This is why Tony Martin has not been released on parole : he maintains that he did nothing wrong and the law disagrees.

Jon_in_london · 28th January 2003, 02:36 AM

JK, most people think its disgusting that the guy is kept in jail. I for one think that if someone enters your home illegally you should have the right to kill that person. After all, how do you know his/her intentions? should I wait to be killed or see my wife/children raped and murdered before I slot the cnut? I dont think so.

A while backa guy was locked up for 5 years because he stabbed a burglar to death.

Anyone breaks into my house is going to get killed. I'd rather do 5 years for manslaughter than get murdered or see my femfolk raped. SO THERE!

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 02:40 AM

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Originally posted by iain
I believe there has been a lot of controversy about this case in the UK over the last couple of years.

The way British law works is that it is very difficult to get time off your prison sentence if you refuse to admit your guilt for a crime of which you have been found guilty.

This is why Tony Martin has not been released on parole : he maintains that he did nothing wrong and the law disagrees.

That isn't law. What crime did the old guy not "admit" to--that the Britainazi courts want him to? Seriously, what did the guy do wrong? When he was safely tucked into his bed the night his home was invaded (old people need sleep and like safety), how can defending his home turn into a crime?

It is sick and shameful, that is what it is. All brits should be ashamed because of this and I am calling you all cowards for even allowing that old man to be forced to go to jail. Only a cowardly commie sends old harmless men to jail.

But the commies had plans for him. "Let's send his old ass to jail for defending his home", the Brit commies say. "That will teach him." (communist reeducation center for the elderly who think they are still free in Britain.)

JK

davidhorman · 28th January 2003, 02:42 AM

In all honesty I want to find something truly irrational in JK's post - all this talk of British Government Terrorism, pshaw!

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...and yet the folks who attacked and criminally terrorized the old man were released in 2001.

Well, one of them's dead...

But it's blindingly obvious to me that this particular guy shouldn't be in jail. If you're going to break into someone's home anything that happens to you is your own damn fault.

That "thread to burglars" comment from the parole board makes me want to spit!

David

Drooper · 28th January 2003, 02:44 AM

In the UK, you may only use reasonable force, regardless of whether the person was trepassing or stealing or whatever.

In this particular case, the burglar was shot in the back. This made it very hard for the defence to argue that Martin feared for his life and the level of force used was justified.

Jon_in_london · 28th January 2003, 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight
I think it is time for Amnesty International to step in and rescue this elderly man from British government terrorism. This is the type of thing that is supposed to happen in 4th world countries, not Britain. I wonder if some corrupt British government communist-socialist wants the elderly guy in jail so he can die there and then his property can then be stolen.

Yep, sounds like an Amnesty International case to me. Anyone know if the guy who defended his property and is now in prison for exercising his right to be alive is Jewish? That would also feed into what is currently happening in Europe too.
JK

You are always good value for money JK!

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 02:47 AM

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Originally posted by Jon_in_london
JK, most people think its disgusting that the guy is kept in jail. I for one think that if someone enters your home illegally you should have the right to kill that person. After all, how do you know his/her intentions? should I wait to be killed or see my wife/children raped and murdered before I slot the cnut? I dont think so.

A while backa guy was locked up for 5 years because he stabbed a burglar to death.

Anyone breaks into my house is going to get killed. I'd rather do 5 years for manslaughter than get murdered or see my femfolk raped. SO THERE!

What you or I would do in theory doesn't matter. What matters is that there is a harmless old man in prison because of unjust, garbage-can communist law, and the mode of thinking people should be in now is thinking about ways to get him out of jail.

If you let a bunch of commie bullies have their way with old people and no one says anything about it, what good is thinking you have a right to defend your property while you are safe at home?

A population that refuses to defend its elderly is a spineless population.

JK

Drooper · 28th January 2003, 02:47 AM

Looking at it from the other side.

Does anybody else remeber the case of a young Brit staggering home drunk one night in the US (Florida??). He made the mistake of trying to go into the wrong house. The owner, instead of pausing to find out what was going on, opened the door and shot him dead on his doorstep.

The shooter was not charged (or maybe acquitted) because the poor sod was technically trespassing.

LillyThePink · 28th January 2003, 02:56 AM

Drooper is right - the law is concerned with "reasonable force" and considers that shooting someone in the back as they are running away, unarmed, is not reasonable force.

Not that I expect you to get that point at all. Your military doesn't appear to be able to differentiate between who to shoot and who not to shoot, so the finer points of this case are most likely a mystery to you.

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 02:57 AM

There are so many factual errors in this childish rant (not to mention the link he posted) I have given up counting them....

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by Drooper
In the UK, you may only use reasonable force, regardless of whether the person was trepassing or stealing or whatever.

In this particular case, the burglar was shot in the back. This made it very hard for the defence to argue that Martin feared for his life and the level of force used was justified.

See, this is the type of cowardly nonsense that keeps the old man in jail.

If someone forces their way into your home, your sovereign territory, you can gun them down and feed them to pit bulls--it is your home! It is your home.

Is some commie bureaucrat who lives in a guarded, gated community with 24/7 professional protection going to give a damn about you? Hell no. You have to make the courts responsive to you, not the criminal.

In the United States if some elderly person gets robbed and people see it happen, a mob of people descend upon the criminals and kick the **** out of them. If they have weapons the police gun them down in a flurry of bullets (or the citizens--depends who gets there first).

The point is that stealing from people, especially old people who don't have much as it is and can't earn like they could when they were young, is terrorism, and I think it is time for the terrorists to get the justice they deserve instead of the old people who are victims of crime.

The old man is not a criminal and committed no crime. He is probably a World War II hero and that is why they are terrorizing him. He is the last of the real British males.

JK

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:00 AM

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Originally posted by LillyThePink
Drooper is right - the law is concerned with "reasonable force" and considers that shooting someone in the back as they are running away, unarmed, is not reasonable force.

Not that I expect you to get that point at all. Your military doesn't appear to be able to differentiate between who to shoot and who not to shoot, so the finer points of this case are most likely a mystery to you.

If someone is invading your home in the middle of the night and you are an elderly citizen, do you honestly believe that you can judge "reasonable force"? Any force used against an old person is dangerous and life-threatening.

I salute that old man for gunning those criminal terrorist bastards down! He is a true citizen!

Now the cowards of British society can watch that hero stew in prison because they are too weak and spineless to do anything just.

JK

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 03:02 AM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight

He is probably a World War II hero and that is why they are terrorizing him. He is the last of the real British males.

JK

55 year old WWII hero?.

LOL!

Jon_in_london · 28th January 2003, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by LillyThePink
Drooper is right - the law is concerned with "reasonable force" and considers that shooting someone in the back as they are running away, unarmed, is not reasonable force.

I dont think thats unreasonable. He shouldnt have been there in the first place. But then again, the law is an ass (arse even?)

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland
There are so many factual errors in this childish rant (not to mention the link he posted) I have given up counting them....

Another coward arrives. How could you allow them to lock up this harmless old man? When you get old, how much worse do you think you will be treated? As a spineless brit, do you even care?

JK

LillyThePink · 28th January 2003, 03:03 AM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Any force used against an old person is dangerous and life-threatening.

JK

Can you tell me what threat you would feel from a person who was actively running away from you?

Thanks

LillyThePink · 28th January 2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Another coward arrives. How could you allow them to lock up this harmless old man? When you get old, how much worse do you think you will be treated?JK

Hardly harmless, JK. He did actually kill the burglar who was running away by shooting him in the back.

Just because you lot are all armed, locked and loaded doesn't make it right.

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight

Another coward arrives. How could you allow them to lock up this harmless old man? When you get old, how much worse do you think you will be treated? As a spineless brit, do you even care?

JK

Oh my God, I'm being called a coward by a juvenile basement dweller.

Internet hard man. Lowest of the low.

Jon_in_london · 28th January 2003, 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by LillyThePink

Can you tell me what threat you would feel from a person who was actively running away from you?

Thanks

The threat that he might come back tomorrow night and kill me in my sleep and rape my wife and daughter?

Slot the cnuts! they wont be able to burgle anyone when they are deed!

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:07 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland

55 year old WWII hero?.

LOL!

By God he is a hero, even if he didn't serve in World War II. He stood up for himself. He didn't give himself away to Saddam without a fight.

If only 50 British men stood up for that guy he wouldn't be in jail right now.

JK

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight

By God he is a hero, even if he didn't serve in World War II. He stood up for himself. He didn't give himself away to Saddam without a fight.

If only 50 British men stood up for that guy he wouldn't be in jail right now.

JK

Are you taking medication?

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by LillyThePink

Hardly harmless, JK. He did actually kill the burglar who was running away by shooting him in the back.

Just because you lot are all armed, locked and loaded doesn't make it right.

Well Lilly, apparently you don't understand what really happened. The guy was alone in the dark with two criminal terrorists. He started shooting to save his own life because it was dark, there were two, possibly more criminal terrorists in his house, and the terrorists thought "Uh oh, he has a gun." and they started to try and find a way out.

The old man didn't see them in the dark trying to run away. Since that is the case, I wouldn't even care if the old man shot them point blank range in the back of the head with a 12 gauge shotgun.

They should not have been in his house in the middle of the night.

But no matter what you say Lilly, the old man is still in jail and it is shameful because cowardly Brits allowed it to happen.

JK

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland

Are you taking medication?

No, but the British males in Britain all need some type of masculine medication because the cowardice is getting really deep over there.

You guys let people bully your elderly. Cowards.

JK

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight

No, but the British males in Britain all need some type of masculine medication because the cowardice is getting really deep over there.

You guys let people bully your elderly. Cowards.

JK

Maybe there is an emergency chemist open you can go to?

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:15 AM

No wonder British males are so afraid of Saddam and his weaklings. It is easier to bully British elderly.

JK

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by Jedi Knight
No wonder British males are so afraid of Saddam and his weaklings. It is easier to bully British elderly.

JK

Remember what the therapist said. Try breathing deeply......

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:23 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland

Remember what the therapist said. Try breathing deeply......

The whole of Britain needs therapy. Europe is embraced with self-hating weakness and shameful cowardice.

Attack me for saying the truth, coward. Admit what I say is true. You are a typical leftist because you cower while I stand proudly. You make idiotic leftist comments like "have you had your medication", while at the same time you remain idle while your elderly and law-abiding are led away in shackles so they can be terrorized by the self-hating European state socialist system.

Attack the messenger--it is all you cowardly brits can do. Saddam and Al Qaeda send in liters of Ricin into your country and you are all ready to surrender. Cowards.

JK

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

The whole of Britain needs therapy. Europe is embraced with self-hating weakness and shameful cowardice.

Attack me for saying the truth, coward. Admit what I say is true. You are a typical leftist because you cower while I stand proudly. You make idiotic leftist comments like "have you had your medication", while at the same time you remain idle while your elderly and law-abiding are led away in shackles so they can be terrorized by the self-hating European state socialist system.

Attack the messenger--it is all you cowardly brits can do. Saddam and Al Qaeda send in liters of Ricin into your country and you are all ready to surrender. Cowards.

JK

God, I can actually see you foaming at the mouth. Rather sad really.........

a_unique_person · 28th January 2003, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jedi Knight

The whole of Britain needs therapy. Europe is embraced with self-hating weakness and shameful cowardice.

Attack me for saying the truth, coward. Admit what I say is true. You are a typical leftist because you cower while I stand proudly. You make idiotic leftist comments like "have you had your medication", while at the same time you remain idle while your elderly and law-abiding are led away in shackles so they can be terrorized by the self-hating European state socialist system.

Attack the messenger--it is all you cowardly brits can do. Saddam and Al Qaeda send in liters of Ricin into your country and you are all ready to surrender. Cowards.

JK

Why were you kicked out of the army. they didn't phrase it that way, did they? you realised it was time to go? why was that?

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland

God, I can actually see you foaming at the mouth. Rather sad really.........

Hysterical when truth = foam. That could only come from self-hating Euro trash. Show some pride.

JK

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 03:31 AM

Maybe you could get the dosage doubled?

LillyThePink · 28th January 2003, 03:40 AM

Not debating the issue at hand makes one appear as pointless as JK, and as incapable of rebuttal and debate, which is nice if you're just into flaming, but not productive, or condusive to the further understanding of ideas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/718129.stm

JK - the man was known to have a history of offences with firearms; the firearm he used was illegal; he shot a 16year old in the back; he was of a vigilante mindset.

All of the above are reasons why I do not believe Tony Martin to be a helpless old man. And the fact remains that in order to be eligible for parole, you need to express remorse at your behaviour and be judged unlikely to reoffend. Given that Mr Martin refuses to do so, I fail to see how parole can be granted.

On another note, I find it utterly repellent and disgusting that one of the burglars is attempting to sue Mr Martin. Lets hope that the judge in that case sees some common sense.

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by a_unique_person

Why were you kicked out of the army. they didn't phrase it that way, did they? you realised it was time to go? why was that?

I was never kicked out of any army. Where did you get that nonsense from? I served in the US Army and went to war a few times, but I am Honorably Discharged and a war hero--I was never "kicked out". I fulfilled my contract 110%. I did change careers. People do that everyday. Hundreds of millions of people do it everyday. You could learn a lot from a brilliant man like me.

Now, what does that have to do with European cowardice in dealing with Saddam and the shackling of the British elderly while cowardly british males stand there watching, cowering and quivering as it happens?

JK

Shaun from Scotland · 28th January 2003, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by LillyThePink
Not debating the issue at hand makes one appear as pointless as JK, and as incapable of rebuttal and debate, which is nice if you're just into flaming, but not productive, or condusive to the further understanding of ideas.

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What issue at hand? That we are communists, cowards and Saddam supporters?

This is not flaming. Someone who can think like this, IS in need of psychiatric help.

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland
Maybe you could get the dosage doubled?

Look at you lol. You know I am right. Deep down inside you know I am right. All you can do is attack me, but you know I am right.

JK

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:45 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland

What issue at hand? That we are communists, cowards and Saddam supporters?

This is not flaming. Someone who can think like this, IS in need of psychiatric help.

Really? Here is what I really think. I think that European femi-males shouldn't breed. Period.

JK

LillyThePink · 28th January 2003, 03:45 AM

That commies thing is just JK's way, hon

JK - please explain the link between supporting this man's application for parole and wanting to bomb Sadaam.

Thanks

Edited to add:

Also, in the same vein, explain how reluctance to bomb Iraq without any evidence of WMD/Links to Osama/Whatever the excuse is this week is linked to shackling the British pensioner. (btw, we don't consider 55 to be elderly; are you from California?)

Jedi Knight · 28th January 2003, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LillyThePink
Not debating the issue at hand makes one appear as pointless as JK, and as incapable of rebuttal and debate, which is nice if you're just into flaming, but not productive, or condusive to the further understanding of ideas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/718129.stm

JK - the man was known to have a history of offences with firearms; the firearm he used was illegal; he shot a 16year old in the back; he was of a vigilante mindset.

All of the above are reasons why I do not believe Tony Martin to be a helpless old man. And the fact remains that in order to be eligible for parole, you need to express remorse at your behaviour and be judged unlikely to reoffend. Given that Mr Martin refuses to do so, I fail to see how parole can be granted.

On another note, I find it utterly repellent and disgusting that one of the burglars is attempting to sue Mr Martin. Lets hope that the judge in that case sees some common sense.

You just don't get it. The Martin guy did nothing wrong. How can defending your home and your personal safety be a crime?

It is self-hating European cowardice.

JK

28th January 2003, 02:21 AM	#1
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	British Court Terrorizes Law Abiding Citizen (Worse Than Al-Qaeda Would, Probably) A British court, clearly fascist and anti-freedom, has kept a harmless elderly man in jail because he is a threat to burglars. So the guy who shot two home-invaders in the middle of the night is kept in jail because he defended his property from criminal terrorists who selected him because he was an old man who lived alone and now the British court won't release him? ...and yet the folks who attacked and criminally terrorized the old man were released in 2001. All disarmed law-abiding Brits should pay attention to this case. The law-abiding British citizen doesn't mean jack to the British government anymore. Brits are criminal-fodder (the new type of cannon fodder) and criminal terrorists have just been given the green light to rob the elderly at will because then the British terrorist courts will put the elderly in jail instead of the criminal! British cowards! How could you possibly allow this happen? Since the rest of Europe is ten times more afraid of the ideals and heroism the old man who the corrupt British court incarcerated for defending his property possesses, no wonder Europe is weak in the knees in the war on terrorism and cowardly in response to Saddam. The only folks Europe declares war on is the law-abiding--especially the elderly. JK
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28th January 2003, 02:24 AM	#2
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	I think it is time for Amnesty International to step in and rescue this elderly man from British government terrorism. This is the type of thing that is supposed to happen in 4th world countries, not Britain. I wonder if some corrupt British government communist-socialist wants the elderly guy in jail so he can die there and then his property can then be stolen. Yep, sounds like an Amnesty International case to me. Anyone know if the guy who defended his property and is now in prison for exercising his right to be alive is Jewish? That would also feed into what is currently happening in Europe too. JK
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28th January 2003, 02:31 AM	#3
iain Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,293	I believe there has been a lot of controversy about this case in the UK over the last couple of years. The way British law works is that it is very difficult to get time off your prison sentence if you refuse to admit your guilt for a crime of which you have been found guilty. This is why Tony Martin has not been released on parole : he maintains that he did nothing wrong and the law disagrees.
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28th January 2003, 02:36 AM	#4
Jon_in_london Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,994	JK, most people think its disgusting that the guy is kept in jail. I for one think that if someone enters your home illegally you should have the right to kill that person. After all, how do you know his/her intentions? should I wait to be killed or see my wife/children raped and murdered before I slot the cnut? I dont think so. A while backa guy was locked up for 5 years because he stabbed a burglar to death. Anyone breaks into my house is going to get killed. I'd rather do 5 years for manslaughter than get murdered or see my femfolk raped. SO THERE!
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28th January 2003, 02:40 AM	#5
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by iain I believe there has been a lot of controversy about this case in the UK over the last couple of years. The way British law works is that it is very difficult to get time off your prison sentence if you refuse to admit your guilt for a crime of which you have been found guilty. This is why Tony Martin has not been released on parole : he maintains that he did nothing wrong and the law disagrees. That isn't law. What crime did the old guy not "admit" to--that the Britainazi courts want him to? Seriously, what did the guy do wrong? When he was safely tucked into his bed the night his home was invaded (old people need sleep and like safety), how can defending his home turn into a crime? It is sick and shameful, that is what it is. All brits should be ashamed because of this and I am calling you all cowards for even allowing that old man to be forced to go to jail. Only a cowardly commie sends old harmless men to jail. But the commies had plans for him. "Let's send his old ass to jail for defending his home", the Brit commies say. "That will teach him." (communist reeducation center for the elderly who think they are still free in Britain.) JK
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28th January 2003, 02:42 AM	#6
davidhorman Muse Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 984	In all honesty I want to find something truly irrational in JK's post - all this talk of British Government Terrorism, pshaw! Quote: ...and yet the folks who attacked and criminally terrorized the old man were released in 2001. Well, one of them's dead... But it's blindingly obvious to me that this particular guy shouldn't be in jail. If you're going to break into someone's home anything that happens to you is your own damn fault. That "thread to burglars" comment from the parole board makes me want to spit! David
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28th January 2003, 02:44 AM	#7
Drooper Guest Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,983	In the UK, you may only use reasonable force, regardless of whether the person was trepassing or stealing or whatever. In this particular case, the burglar was shot in the back. This made it very hard for the defence to argue that Martin feared for his life and the level of force used was justified.
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28th January 2003, 02:45 AM	#8
Jon_in_london Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,994	Quote: Originally posted by Jedi Knight I think it is time for Amnesty International to step in and rescue this elderly man from British government terrorism. This is the type of thing that is supposed to happen in 4th world countries, not Britain. I wonder if some corrupt British government communist-socialist wants the elderly guy in jail so he can die there and then his property can then be stolen. Yep, sounds like an Amnesty International case to me. Anyone know if the guy who defended his property and is now in prison for exercising his right to be alive is Jewish? That would also feed into what is currently happening in Europe too. JK You are always good value for money JK!
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28th January 2003, 02:47 AM	#9
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by Jon_in_london JK, most people think its disgusting that the guy is kept in jail. I for one think that if someone enters your home illegally you should have the right to kill that person. After all, how do you know his/her intentions? should I wait to be killed or see my wife/children raped and murdered before I slot the cnut? I dont think so. A while backa guy was locked up for 5 years because he stabbed a burglar to death. Anyone breaks into my house is going to get killed. I'd rather do 5 years for manslaughter than get murdered or see my femfolk raped. SO THERE! What you or I would do in theory doesn't matter. What matters is that there is a harmless old man in prison because of unjust, garbage-can communist law, and the mode of thinking people should be in now is thinking about ways to get him out of jail. If you let a bunch of commie bullies have their way with old people and no one says anything about it, what good is thinking you have a right to defend your property while you are safe at home? A population that refuses to defend its elderly is a spineless population. JK
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28th January 2003, 02:56 AM	#11
LillyThePink Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 563	Drooper is right - the law is concerned with "reasonable force" and considers that shooting someone in the back as they are running away, unarmed, is not reasonable force. Not that I expect you to get that point at all. Your military doesn't appear to be able to differentiate between who to shoot and who not to shoot, so the finer points of this case are most likely a mystery to you.
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28th January 2003, 02:57 AM	#12
Shaun from Scotland Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 858	There are so many factual errors in this childish rant (not to mention the link he posted) I have given up counting them....
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28th January 2003, 02:57 AM	#13
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by Drooper In the UK, you may only use reasonable force, regardless of whether the person was trepassing or stealing or whatever. In this particular case, the burglar was shot in the back. This made it very hard for the defence to argue that Martin feared for his life and the level of force used was justified. See, this is the type of cowardly nonsense that keeps the old man in jail. If someone forces their way into your home, your sovereign territory, you can gun them down and feed them to pit bulls--it is your home! It is your home. Is some commie bureaucrat who lives in a guarded, gated community with 24/7 professional protection going to give a damn about you? Hell no. You have to make the courts responsive to you, not the criminal. In the United States if some elderly person gets robbed and people see it happen, a mob of people descend upon the criminals and kick the **** out of them. If they have weapons the police gun them down in a flurry of bullets (or the citizens--depends who gets there first). The point is that stealing from people, especially old people who don't have much as it is and can't earn like they could when they were young, is terrorism, and I think it is time for the terrorists to get the justice they deserve instead of the old people who are victims of crime. The old man is not a criminal and committed no crime. He is probably a World War II hero and that is why they are terrorizing him. He is the last of the real British males. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:00 AM	#14
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by LillyThePink Drooper is right - the law is concerned with "reasonable force" and considers that shooting someone in the back as they are running away, unarmed, is not reasonable force. Not that I expect you to get that point at all. Your military doesn't appear to be able to differentiate between who to shoot and who not to shoot, so the finer points of this case are most likely a mystery to you. If someone is invading your home in the middle of the night and you are an elderly citizen, do you honestly believe that you can judge "reasonable force"? Any force used against an old person is dangerous and life-threatening. I salute that old man for gunning those criminal terrorist bastards down! He is a true citizen! Now the cowards of British society can watch that hero stew in prison because they are too weak and spineless to do anything just. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:02 AM	#15
Shaun from Scotland Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 858	Quote: Originally posted by Jedi Knight He is probably a World War II hero and that is why they are terrorizing him. He is the last of the real British males. JK 55 year old WWII hero?. LOL!
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28th January 2003, 03:03 AM	#16
Jon_in_london Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,994	Quote: Originally posted by LillyThePink Drooper is right - the law is concerned with "reasonable force" and considers that shooting someone in the back as they are running away, unarmed, is not reasonable force. I dont think thats unreasonable. He shouldnt have been there in the first place. But then again, the law is an ass (arse even?)
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28th January 2003, 03:03 AM	#17
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland There are so many factual errors in this childish rant (not to mention the link he posted) I have given up counting them.... Another coward arrives. How could you allow them to lock up this harmless old man? When you get old, how much worse do you think you will be treated? As a spineless brit, do you even care? JK
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28th January 2003, 03:05 AM	#19
LillyThePink Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 563	Quote: Originally posted by Jedi Knight Another coward arrives. How could you allow them to lock up this harmless old man? When you get old, how much worse do you think you will be treated?JK Hardly harmless, JK. He did actually kill the burglar who was running away by shooting him in the back. Just because you lot are all armed, locked and loaded doesn't make it right.
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28th January 2003, 03:06 AM	#21
Jon_in_london Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,994	Quote: Originally posted by LillyThePink Can you tell me what threat you would feel from a person who was actively running away from you? Thanks The threat that he might come back tomorrow night and kill me in my sleep and rape my wife and daughter? Slot the cnuts! they wont be able to burgle anyone when they are deed!
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28th January 2003, 03:07 AM	#22
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland 55 year old WWII hero?. LOL! By God he is a hero, even if he didn't serve in World War II. He stood up for himself. He didn't give himself away to Saddam without a fight. If only 50 British men stood up for that guy he wouldn't be in jail right now. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:09 AM	#23
Shaun from Scotland Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 858	Quote: Originally posted by Jedi Knight By God he is a hero, even if he didn't serve in World War II. He stood up for himself. He didn't give himself away to Saddam without a fight. If only 50 British men stood up for that guy he wouldn't be in jail right now. JK Are you taking medication?
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28th January 2003, 03:12 AM	#24
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by LillyThePink Hardly harmless, JK. He did actually kill the burglar who was running away by shooting him in the back. Just because you lot are all armed, locked and loaded doesn't make it right. Well Lilly, apparently you don't understand what really happened. The guy was alone in the dark with two criminal terrorists. He started shooting to save his own life because it was dark, there were two, possibly more criminal terrorists in his house, and the terrorists thought "Uh oh, he has a gun." and they started to try and find a way out. The old man didn't see them in the dark trying to run away. Since that is the case, I wouldn't even care if the old man shot them point blank range in the back of the head with a 12 gauge shotgun. They should not have been in his house in the middle of the night. But no matter what you say Lilly, the old man is still in jail and it is shameful because cowardly Brits allowed it to happen. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:13 AM	#25
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland Are you taking medication? No, but the British males in Britain all need some type of masculine medication because the cowardice is getting really deep over there. You guys let people bully your elderly. Cowards. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:14 AM	#26
Shaun from Scotland Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 858	Quote: Originally posted by Jedi Knight No, but the British males in Britain all need some type of masculine medication because the cowardice is getting really deep over there. You guys let people bully your elderly. Cowards. JK Maybe there is an emergency chemist open you can go to?
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28th January 2003, 03:15 AM	#27
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	No wonder British males are so afraid of Saddam and his weaklings. It is easier to bully British elderly. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:17 AM	#28
Shaun from Scotland Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 858	Quote: Originally posted by Jedi Knight No wonder British males are so afraid of Saddam and his weaklings. It is easier to bully British elderly. JK Remember what the therapist said. Try breathing deeply......
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28th January 2003, 03:23 AM	#29
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland Remember what the therapist said. Try breathing deeply...... The whole of Britain needs therapy. Europe is embraced with self-hating weakness and shameful cowardice. Attack me for saying the truth, coward. Admit what I say is true. You are a typical leftist because you cower while I stand proudly. You make idiotic leftist comments like "have you had your medication", while at the same time you remain idle while your elderly and law-abiding are led away in shackles so they can be terrorized by the self-hating European state socialist system. Attack the messenger--it is all you cowardly brits can do. Saddam and Al Qaeda send in liters of Ricin into your country and you are all ready to surrender. Cowards. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:24 AM	#30
Shaun from Scotland Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 858	Quote: Originally posted by Jedi Knight The whole of Britain needs therapy. Europe is embraced with self-hating weakness and shameful cowardice. Attack me for saying the truth, coward. Admit what I say is true. You are a typical leftist because you cower while I stand proudly. You make idiotic leftist comments like "have you had your medication", while at the same time you remain idle while your elderly and law-abiding are led away in shackles so they can be terrorized by the self-hating European state socialist system. Attack the messenger--it is all you cowardly brits can do. Saddam and Al Qaeda send in liters of Ricin into your country and you are all ready to surrender. Cowards. JK God, I can actually see you foaming at the mouth. Rather sad really.........
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28th January 2003, 03:28 AM	#31
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,329	Quote: Originally posted by Jedi Knight The whole of Britain needs therapy. Europe is embraced with self-hating weakness and shameful cowardice. Attack me for saying the truth, coward. Admit what I say is true. You are a typical leftist because you cower while I stand proudly. You make idiotic leftist comments like "have you had your medication", while at the same time you remain idle while your elderly and law-abiding are led away in shackles so they can be terrorized by the self-hating European state socialist system. Attack the messenger--it is all you cowardly brits can do. Saddam and Al Qaeda send in liters of Ricin into your country and you are all ready to surrender. Cowards. JK Why were you kicked out of the army. they didn't phrase it that way, did they? you realised it was time to go? why was that?
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28th January 2003, 03:29 AM	#32
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland God, I can actually see you foaming at the mouth. Rather sad really......... Hysterical when truth = foam. That could only come from self-hating Euro trash. Show some pride. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:31 AM	#33
Shaun from Scotland Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 858	Maybe you could get the dosage doubled?
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28th January 2003, 03:40 AM	#34
LillyThePink Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 563	Not debating the issue at hand makes one appear as pointless as JK, and as incapable of rebuttal and debate, which is nice if you're just into flaming, but not productive, or condusive to the further understanding of ideas. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/718129.stm JK - the man was known to have a history of offences with firearms; the firearm he used was illegal; he shot a 16year old in the back; he was of a vigilante mindset. All of the above are reasons why I do not believe Tony Martin to be a helpless old man. And the fact remains that in order to be eligible for parole, you need to express remorse at your behaviour and be judged unlikely to reoffend. Given that Mr Martin refuses to do so, I fail to see how parole can be granted. On another note, I find it utterly repellent and disgusting that one of the burglars is attempting to sue Mr Martin. Lets hope that the judge in that case sees some common sense.
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28th January 2003, 03:41 AM	#35
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person Why were you kicked out of the army. they didn't phrase it that way, did they? you realised it was time to go? why was that? I was never kicked out of any army. Where did you get that nonsense from? I served in the US Army and went to war a few times, but I am Honorably Discharged and a war hero--I was never "kicked out". I fulfilled my contract 110%. I did change careers. People do that everyday. Hundreds of millions of people do it everyday. You could learn a lot from a brilliant man like me. Now, what does that have to do with European cowardice in dealing with Saddam and the shackling of the British elderly while cowardly british males stand there watching, cowering and quivering as it happens? JK
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28th January 2003, 03:43 AM	#36
Shaun from Scotland Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 858	Quote: Originally posted by LillyThePink Not debating the issue at hand makes one appear as pointless as JK, and as incapable of rebuttal and debate, which is nice if you're just into flaming, but not productive, or condusive to the further understanding of ideas. [ What issue at hand? That we are communists, cowards and Saddam supporters? This is not flaming. Someone who can think like this, IS in need of psychiatric help.
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28th January 2003, 03:45 AM	#38
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by Shaun from Scotland What issue at hand? That we are communists, cowards and Saddam supporters? This is not flaming. Someone who can think like this, IS in need of psychiatric help. Really? Here is what I really think. I think that European femi-males shouldn't breed. Period. JK
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28th January 2003, 03:46 AM	#40
Jedi Knight Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,734	Quote: Originally posted by LillyThePink Not debating the issue at hand makes one appear as pointless as JK, and as incapable of rebuttal and debate, which is nice if you're just into flaming, but not productive, or condusive to the further understanding of ideas. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/718129.stm JK - the man was known to have a history of offences with firearms; the firearm he used was illegal; he shot a 16year old in the back; he was of a vigilante mindset. All of the above are reasons why I do not believe Tony Martin to be a helpless old man. And the fact remains that in order to be eligible for parole, you need to express remorse at your behaviour and be judged unlikely to reoffend. Given that Mr Martin refuses to do so, I fail to see how parole can be granted. On another note, I find it utterly repellent and disgusting that one of the burglars is attempting to sue Mr Martin. Lets hope that the judge in that case sees some common sense. You just don't get it. The Martin guy did nothing wrong. How can defending your home and your personal safety be a crime? It is self-hating European cowardice. JK
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