Detention without trial\House arrest

Smike · 3rd February 2005, 02:01 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4207295.stm

Is this sacrificing what we stand for so that we can stop those who want to destroy everything we stand for?

Yeah, house arrest is maybe better than detention without trial.

What do YOU think?

richardm · 3rd February 2005, 02:28 AM

I think it stinks. If they have evidence that these people are committing crimes or have done so - and conspiracy to do various things counts these days - then charge them with it and convict them.

If you haven't got any such evidence, then why the hell should they be locked up like this?

We're quick (in Britain) to criticise the USA for Guantanamo Bay, and places like Burma for placing people under house-arrest for no good reason, and it pains me deeply to see that we're going down the same route.

American · 3rd February 2005, 07:00 AM

i GOT A FCKING DETENTION ONE TIME. FRIGING GYM TEACHER WAS BEING AN @SSHOLE SO I TOLD HIM TO SCREW, AND THE pRINCIPLE GAVE ME A DETENTION ON THE SPOT, NO TRIAL OR NOTHING.

Art Vandelay · 3rd February 2005, 05:01 PM

Do they seriously expect that, if the suspect is in fact guilty, he will respect the house arrest? Or, for that matter, that an innocent person would feel obligated to respect it? If I were in Britain, and they put me under house arrest for no reason, I'd just skip the country.

Smike · 4th February 2005, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Art Vandelay
If I were in Britain, and they put me under house arrest for no reason, I'd just skip the country.

Part of the problem is that they can't send people home as they'll be killed/tortured in their home countries.

Matabiri · 4th February 2005, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by richardm
I think it stinks. If they have evidence that these people are committing crimes or have done so - and conspiracy to do various things counts these days - then charge them with it and convict them.

If you haven't got any such evidence, then why the hell should they be locked up like this?

This is Charles Clarke's answer to the Law Lords' ruling that detaining foreigners without trial (in Belmarsh) violated the article of Human Rights which prevents a country's laws from distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens.

Instead of deciding to free the foreigners, he seems to have decided to try to extend the detention-without-trial to citizens as well...

3rd February 2005, 02:01 AM	#1
Smike Innocent bystander Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,111	Detention without trial\House arrest http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4207295.stm Is this sacrificing what we stand for so that we can stop those who want to destroy everything we stand for? Yeah, house arrest is maybe better than detention without trial. What do YOU think?
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3rd February 2005, 02:28 AM	#2
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	I think it stinks. If they have evidence that these people are committing crimes or have done so - and conspiracy to do various things counts these days - then charge them with it and convict them. If you haven't got any such evidence, then why the hell should they be locked up like this? We're quick (in Britain) to criticise the USA for Guantanamo Bay, and places like Burma for placing people under house-arrest for no good reason, and it pains me deeply to see that we're going down the same route.
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4th February 2005, 02:46 AM	#5
Smike Innocent bystander Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,111	Quote: Originally posted by Art Vandelay If I were in Britain, and they put me under house arrest for no reason, I'd just skip the country. Part of the problem is that they can't send people home as they'll be killed/tortured in their home countries.
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4th February 2005, 03:23 AM	#6
Matabiri Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,734	Quote: Originally posted by richardm I think it stinks. If they have evidence that these people are committing crimes or have done so - and conspiracy to do various things counts these days - then charge them with it and convict them. If you haven't got any such evidence, then why the hell should they be locked up like this? This is Charles Clarke's answer to the Law Lords' ruling that detaining foreigners without trial (in Belmarsh) violated the article of Human Rights which prevents a country's laws from distinguishing between citizens and non-citizens. Instead of deciding to free the foreigners, he seems to have decided to try to extend the detention-without-trial to citizens as well...
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3rd February 2005, 07:00 AM	#3
American Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: CA Posts: 3,842	i GOT A FCKING DETENTION ONE TIME. FRIGING GYM TEACHER WAS BEING AN @SSHOLE SO I TOLD HIM TO SCREW, AND THE pRINCIPLE GAVE ME A DETENTION ON THE SPOT, NO TRIAL OR NOTHING.

3rd February 2005, 05:01 PM	#4
Art Vandelay Illuminator Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,790	Do they seriously expect that, if the suspect is in fact guilty, he will respect the house arrest? Or, for that matter, that an innocent person would feel obligated to respect it? If I were in Britain, and they put me under house arrest for no reason, I'd just skip the country.