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Soapy Sam · 3rd May 2005, 01:55 AM

jambo- Don't forget group four- People forced to wait four hours in the queue for "emergency" treatment in a hospital. (And we don't all have teenager's long range bladders).

My point about visitors transmitting bugs in hospital- we mostly all carry Staph.a, and you're right, it's less likely to be the resistant variety (at the moment), but there's a much higher chance that a visitor to a hospital can acquire mrsa (for example from that hospital toilet door ) and then transport it to the already ill person he came to visit.

Since I'm headed for investigative surgery at Wishaw in ten days, this is something I take seriously!

BillyJoe · 3rd May 2005, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by jambo372
As for public bathrooms ... they're clatty, I never use them.
Only 3 types of people use them ...
1) The Insane
2) The Incontinent
3) The Mingers

Well, I use them, and I'm neither Insane nor Incontinent (sorry I don't know what a Minger is). Perhaps it's because I'm.......(read my sig)

But, seriously, I do use them and I don't know anyone who doesn't. I don't use paper on the door-knobs, but I have to admit to using paper on the toilet seats and I don't know anyone who doesn't. I'm not sure why this is, but it's probably the same reason that I don't mind shaking hands with people I meet but would be hard put to agree to pressing our butts together.

BillyJoe

Beady · 3rd May 2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by BillyJoe
...but I have to admit to using paper on the toilet seats and I don't know anyone who doesn't.

Now you do.

Maybe you should watch a certain episode of P&T's "BS2."

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I'm not sure why this is, but it's probably the same reason that I don't mind shaking hands with people I meet but would be hard put to agree to pressing our butts together.

Sleep alone, do you?

Solitaire · 3rd May 2005, 03:14 PM

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I am more than willing to expose myself to viruses and bacteria on a regular basis. The more I am exposed to, and survive, the better I am adapted to survive. It's called life. The person who wraps their hands in tissue to open a door is just about as likely to get infected as the person who's concerned with leaving the bathroom with their bare hands, or from my observations of my hypochondriac friends, more likely, as they seem to miss work more often than I do.

Hm. A subscriber to the hypothesis: what doesn't kill me makes me stronger.

jambo372 · 3rd May 2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Soapy Sam
jambo- Don't forget group four- People forced to wait four hours in the queue for "emergency" treatment in a hospital. (And we don't all have teenager's long range bladders).

My point about visitors transmitting bugs in hospital- we mostly all carry Staph.a, and you're right, it's less likely to be the resistant variety (at the moment), but there's a much higher chance that a visitor to a hospital can acquire mrsa (for example from that hospital toilet door ) and then transport it to the already ill person he came to visit.

Since I'm headed for investigative surgery at Wishaw in ten days, this is something I take seriously!

If the hospital was so saturated with MRSA the patient would probably end up getting it on their own hands anyway.

Personally if I was in hospital, I'd be more worried about getting a VREF infection. VREF are sometimes resistant to every drug and can cause fatal septicaemia and endocarditis. It is less virulent and less common than MRSA but typically more resistant.

New strains of MRSA are also occuring in hospitals GISA/VISA and VRSA/GRSA. They sometimes need experimental drugs as they have become at least partly resistant to Vancomycin ( sometimes the only drug effective against nosocomial Staph aureus infection ). Some strains of Staphylococci that are even resistant to these new drugs have also been reported.

Then there are gram negative superbugs: Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Acinetobacter, Klebsiella, Enterobacter etc. You may never survive your surgery. What surgery are you getting anyway ?

Kopji · 3rd May 2005, 07:43 PM

Surely the good that Bibles do outweigh whatever small risk they carry of disease?

We sometimes have Book of Mormons in our hospital rooms too. So there's twice the potential for disease.

Do hospitals allow other books into the rooms? How about things like TV guides?

Perpetual Notion · 3rd May 2005, 08:53 PM

At all the hospitals I've worked at, people can have whatever reading materials they want. If they leave them behind, they're generally given away for free to whoever wants them or, if the person was in isolation, it's thrown out as contaminated. Infectious diseases are taken very seriously and the types of infections that Jambo is talking about are, with the exception of MRSA, not that common. Even with MRSA, I probably only have about 1-2 cases a month on my floor and in a months time, I'll have more than 200 patients rotate through. MRSA tends to be localized to a wound and I can count on one hand the number of people who have had MRSA in their lungs in the 16 years I've been working in hospitals. I've only seen one case of VRSA.

I tend to see a lot of people coming from nursing homes with these types of infections because they're not always aware that patients are infected until the patient has been hospitalized and diagnosed.

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You may never survive your surgery. What surgery are you getting anyway ?

Dont' worry Jambo, I heard he's going to a healing circle first.

BillyJoe · 4th May 2005, 02:56 AM

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Now you do.

I meant public toilet seats.

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Maybe you should watch a certain episode of P&T's "BS2."

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Sleep alone, do you?

By "people I meet" I mean "people who I don't know but who I meet for the first time".

BJ

jambo372 · 4th May 2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by Perpetual Notion
At all the hospitals I've worked at, people can have whatever reading materials they want. If they leave them behind, they're generally given away for free to whoever wants them or, if the person was in isolation, it's thrown out as contaminated. Infectious diseases are taken very seriously and the types of infections that Jambo is talking about are, with the exception of MRSA, not that common. Even with MRSA, I probably only have about 1-2 cases a month on my floor and in a months time, I'll have more than 200 patients rotate through. MRSA tends to be localized to a wound and I can count on one hand the number of people who have had MRSA in their lungs in the 16 years I've been working in hospitals. I've only seen one case of VRSA.

I tend to see a lot of people coming from nursing homes with these types of infections because they're not always aware that patients are infected until the patient has been hospitalized and diagnosed.

Dont' worry Jambo, I heard he's going to a healing circle first.

Yes I admit they are rare, but they MAY occur. Most of the ones I mentioned mostly infect only certain people eg children, pensioners, people with cancer/other infections, people taking immunosuppressants/steroids/chemotherapy/certain anti-microbials, alcholics and catheterised patients. In the case of Enterobacter, some clinicians have noticed a steady increase in the number of cases. It is highly resistant to even some of the most potent drugs and is prone to developing resistance to certain drugs during treatment, even if they initially test as sensitive. VREF are quite rare but cause a significant proportion of all invasive Enterococcal infections in some large city hospitals in the US and Japan.

MRSA is usually confined to lesions but can spread anywhere. Staphylococcus aureus can actually infect just about any organ. It can cause all of the following things, some common and some rare :

boils, cellulitis, impetigo, paronychia, bacteraemia/septicaemia, ear infections, osteomyelitis, endocarditis, meningitis, bronchitis/pneumonia, enterocolitis, food poisoning, UTI, Toxic Shock Syndrome, several pyogenic infections

Also, scientists have found far fewer new classes of naturally occuring drugs that have been approved for medical use over the last 2 decades or so. Most of the anti-microbials used today have came from the same genera - the actinomycetes.

They are currently researching potential MRSA vaccines, genetic engineering, new drugs & nanotubes against MRSA.
They are also researching bacteriacidal viruses which have been used in Russian hospitals with success for decades.

dann · 4th May 2005, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by treble_head
The more I am exposed to, and survive, the better I am adapted to survive. It's called life.

The more you are exposed to, and don't survive, the better you are adapted to ...
It's called death.

Beady · 4th May 2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by jambo372
Yes I admit they are rare, but they MAY occur.

Jambo, do you realize how many calamities you could say this about?

If you're going to ever get anything done, then you have to quit trying to stack the deck and just play the cards you're dealt.

Beady · 4th May 2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by BillyJoe
I meant public toilet seats.

So did I.

The reference to Penn & Teller was an episode in Season 2, where they deal with public toilet seats, and the like. Bottom line, you're perfectly safe, and don't need those paper seat covers.

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By "people I meet" I mean "people who I don't know but who I meet for the first time".

That's kind of what I meant.

jambo372 · 4th May 2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by Beady
Jambo, do you realize how many calamities you could say this about?

If you're going to ever get anything done, then you have to quit trying to stack the deck and just play the cards you're dealt.

They are rare superbugs but not so much so that the risk is extremely negligible. It's better safe than sorry.. I've had an infection in my chest for weeks now, I've been wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm. I've been taking a cough bottle but haven't noticed a difference. I got tablets yesterday but decided to leave them alone for a few days and take them if I'm not improving by then. My cousin has something similar and is taking a different tablet but doesn't feel it's helping. If you can get an infection like this without setting foot in a hospital what would it be like otherwise ?

About public toilet seats ... as I've mentioned previously I never use them. Didn't somebody put superglue on a public toilet seat once and it ended up taking an operation to get it off someone's arse ?

Beady · 4th May 2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by jambo372
I got tablets yesterday but decided to leave them alone for a few days and take them if I'm not improving by then. If you can get an infection like this without setting foot in a hospital what would it be like otherwise ?

If you've got an upper respiratory infection, you need to take antibiotics, not look at them on the table. For someone who claims to be so cautious about germs, you seem to be pretty cavalier about combating active disease. Remember, it was a common URI that killed Jim Henson in three days.

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About public toilet seats ... as I've mentioned previously I never use them. Didn't somebody put superglue on a public toilet seat once and it ended up taking an operation to get it off someone's arse ?

You don't want to take antibiotics to fight a weeks-old active URI that has you "wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm," but you'd rather pee your pants than use public restrooms, so you can avoid a one-in-a-million chance that you'll fall victim to a prank.

I'm sorry, but your sense of logic entirely escapes me.

jambo372 · 4th May 2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Beady
[b]If you've got an upper respiratory infection, you need to take antibiotics, not look at them on the table. For someone who claims to be so cautious about germs, you seem to be pretty cavalier about combating active disease. Remember, it was a common URI that killed Jim Henson in three days.

You don't want to take antibiotics to fight a weeks-old active URI that has you "wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm," but you'd rather pee your pants than use public restrooms, so you can avoid a one-in-a-million chance that you'll fall victim to a prank.

I'm sorry, but your sense of logic entirely escapes me.

I said I'd take my pills if I didn't get better in a few days. A few days will hardly make a difference. I'm not sweating constantly, just a bit more than usual when I've been walking a lot or wearing a jacket. They haven't helped my cousin much ... of course she probably says she has the same trouble as me and actually has a cold and it was a different medication they gave her anyway.

I would use a public bathroom if it was clean and I was about to pish myself. I just avoid them whenever possible.

BillyJoe · 5th May 2005, 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by dann
The more you are exposed to, and don't survive, the better you are adapted to ...
It's called death.

dann, you are missing the point.

BillyJoe · 5th May 2005, 04:41 AM

Beady,

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Originally posted by Beady
The reference to Penn & Teller was an episode in Season 2, where they deal with public toilet seats, and the like. Bottom line, you're perfectly safe, and don't need those paper seat covers.

Yes, I understand. I am not always entirely logical in my actions. Placing paper on toilet seats is for me an emotional rather than a rational thing to do. As I said there are more bugs up your nose and in your gut.

BillyJoe

BillyJoe · 5th May 2005, 04:53 AM

jambo

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Originally posted by jambo372
I've been taking a cough bottle but haven't noticed a difference.

All through you've been sounding like an expert teaching us all about bacteria and antibiotic resistance and then, all of a sudden, out of the blue, we get from you this average joe knee-jerk reaction to a respiratory infection - get a bottle of cough mixture!

billyjoe

jambo372 · 5th May 2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by BillyJoe
jambo

All through you've been sounding like an expert teaching us all about bacteria and antibiotic resistance and then, all of a sudden, out of the blue, we get from you this average joe knee-jerk reaction to a respiratory infection - get a bottle of cough mixture!

billyjoe

I never said I was an expert. I'm just interested in medical microbiology and infection. There's nothing wrong with taking a cough bottle for a chest infection ( as long as it has no suppressants such as codeine in it ). I also tried inhaling steam from a bowl of boiling water and menthol crystals. The doctor gave me Oxytetracycline the otherday but I've only started taking them this afternoon because I had decided to leave it a few days and take it if I still wasn't better. It's better to give your immune system a chance to do it's own dirty work ... of course to be fair I had been coughing up thick gunk for about 3 weeks and had been wheezing for a week.

Beady · 5th May 2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by jambo372
I said I'd take my pills if I didn't get better in a few days. A few days will hardly make a difference.

What's the point in waiting? Do you win a prize if you can hold out a certain number amount of time without either dying or taking a pill? Does it somehow increase your virtue?

Seriously, what's the point?

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I would use a public bathroom if it was clean and I was about to pish myself. I just avoid them whenever possible.

So... When you said you *never* use them...?

Beady · 5th May 2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by jambo372
It's better to give your immune system a chance to do it's own dirty work ... of course to be fair I had been coughing up thick gunk for about 3 weeks and had been wheezing for a week.

Oh, now I see. If you're not dead or mending in three weeks, try modern medicine.

I'm convinced.

jambo372 · 5th May 2005, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Beady
Oh, now I see. If you're not dead or mending in three weeks, try modern medicine.

I'm convinced.

It's hardly likely I was going to die, I just had a bad persistent chest infection. If I thought I was dying I'd have gone to hospital.

And it didn't take me 3 weeks to try modern medicine ... I took a cough bottle ( containing Guafenesin ). What's wrong with giving your body the chance to fight an infection ? Anyway I said I've started taking the Oxytetracycline pills today.

Beady · 6th May 2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by jambo372
It's hardly likely I was going to die, I just had a bad persistent chest infection.

So, in this one thread, "wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm," has become "a bad persistent chest infection."

And, "I never use them (public restrooms) anyway," has become "I just avoid them whenever possible."

And "...using bed linen 5-6 times without washing it actually happens in hospitals believe it or not" has become "...it has happened on rare occasions in certain hospitals."

A pattern is beginning to emerge. Instead of "Jambo," maybe you should be called "Chicken Little."

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What's wrong with giving your body the chance to fight an infection ?

What's wrong with giving it some help? And I don't mean cough syrup; cough syrup is plainly inadequate for a URI requiring an antibiotic.

jambo372 · 6th May 2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by Beady
[b]So, in this one thread, "wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm," has become "a bad persistent chest infection."

And, "I never use them (public restrooms) anyway," has become "I just avoid them whenever possible."

And "...using bed linen 5-6 times without washing it actually happens in hospitals believe it or not" has become "...it has happened on rare occasions in certain hospitals."

A pattern is beginning to emerge. Instead of "Jambo," maybe you should be called "Chicken Little."

What's wrong with giving it some help? And I don't mean cough syrup; cough syrup is plainly inadequate for a URI requiring an antibiotic.

A bad persistent chest infection, coughing up lots of greenish yellow phlegm for weeks, wheezing and sweating. As far as I'm concerned it's the same thing.

When I say I never use public toilets anyway ... I never do anyway. I avoid them whenever possible ... same thing. I've always found them possible to avoid.

Using bed linen 5-6 times actually happens in some hospitals believe it or not. It has happened on rare occasions in certain hospitals. What's the difference ? I was just being more specific the second time.

jmercer · 6th May 2005, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by jambo372
It's hardly likely I was going to die, I just had a bad persistent chest infection. If I thought I was dying I'd have gone to hospital.

You should consider the sad demise of Jim Henson, creator of the Muppets. He thought he had a case of the flu, when in fact he'd contracted bacterial pneumonia. If he'd gone to the doctor or hospital instead of trying to treat it himself, he would have survived a completely curable infection.

Beady · 6th May 2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by jmercer
You should consider the sad demise of Jim Henson, creator of the Muppets.

I mentioned that, a few posts ago. Near as I can tell, it bounced right off Jambo (that seems to happen a lot). Hope you can make more of an impression than I did.

Beady · 6th May 2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by jambo372
A bad persistent chest infection, coughing up lots of greenish yellow phlegm for weeks, wheezing and sweating. As far as I'm concerned it's the same thing.

I can only imagine that there are a lot of people with respiratory problems who are glad you're not a doctor.

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When I say I never use public toilets anyway ... I never do anyway. I avoid them whenever possible ... same thing. I've always found them possible to avoid.

Jambo, there is a substantial difference between "never" and "whenever possible." Really. Look it up. For the record, public restrooms aren't my favorite places, either, and I've been known to show major intestinal fortitude in holding out until I can either get home or get to one that I know from past experience is reasonably clean (usually in a book store -- people who read also seem to respect the need for clean toilets).

However, I will maintain that *no one* "never" uses public restrooms. It's physically impossible. If nothing else, on average a normal man needs to pee at least every four hours; if you're away from home for five or more hours...

I have this image of you wandering around a shopping mall, wearing a tournequit and a cork.

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Using bed linen 5-6 times actually happens in some hospitals believe it or not. It has happened on rare occasions in certain hospitals. What's the difference? I was just being more specific the second time.

The difference is the same as between a common and a rare occurance. The two are entirely different. You weren't merely being more precise, you were being self-contradictory. It's also possible to argue that your first version was a misrepresentation.

jambo372 · 6th May 2005, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by Beady
[b]I can only imagine that there are a lot of people with respiratory problems who are glad you're not a doctor.

[b]

Jambo, there is a substantial difference between "never" and "whenever possible." Really. Look it up. For the record, public restrooms aren't my favorite places, either, and I've been known to show major intestinal fortitude in holding out until I can either get home or get to one that I know from past experience is reasonably clean (usually in a book store -- people who read also seem to respect the need for clean toilets).

However, I will maintain that *no one* "never" uses public restrooms. It's physically impossible. If nothing else, on average a normal man needs to pee at least every four hours; if you're away from home for five or more hours...

I have this image of you wandering around a shopping mall, wearing a tournequit and a cork.

The difference is the same as between a common and a rare occurance. The two are entirely different. You weren't merely being more precise, you were being self-contradictory. It's also possible to argue that your first version was a misrepresentation.

The receptionist in the doctors said it was a chest infection. The most common explanation for such symptoms is acute bronchitis.

If I'm so desperate I pee behind bushes or trees, or up a close.

I said SOME hospitals. SOME hospitals could mean anything ... 2 hospitals ... dozens of hospitals, most hospitals.

Jim Henson had pneumonia ... I don't. I've had the same thing before and I got better. Why do you keep telling me this anyway ... I told you I'm on antibiotics.

Soapy Sam · 6th May 2005, 03:15 PM

Jambo- Did this mystery infection start before or after your urine drinking experiments? Did you mention same to the doctor at all?

Just idle curiosity.

In my case they plan to shove a camera up where the sun don't shine. What follows depends on what they find. I suspect it's mice myself.

I'm just hoping it's not the same camera they shoved down from the top last time I was in hospital. It was kind of big...

At least I hope they wash it before and afterwards...
(Wire brush and dettol...)

jambo372 · 6th May 2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by Soapy Sam
Jambo- Did this mystery infection start before or after your urine drinking experiments? Did you mention same to the doctor at all?

Just idle curiosity.

In my case they plan to shove a camera up where the sun don't shine. What follows depends on what they find. I suspect it's mice myself.

I'm just hoping it's not the same camera they shoved down from the top last time I was in hospital. It was kind of big...

At least I hope they wash it before and afterwards...
(Wire brush and dettol...)

No, it didn't start after drinking pish.

I was just coughing up thick greeny yellow phlegm for weeks and then I started wheezing and doing a bit of sweating. I had went through a cough bottle but didn't feel better. My mum phoned the doctor's surgery and told the receptionist my symptoms and personal details ( I hadn't drank pish for quite a while). She said it sounded like a chest infection and she'd ask the doctor if he could get a prescription put in the chemists for me ( I never actually saw the doctor in person ). They gave me the tablets on Tuesday but I only started taking them yesterday not only because I thought it might start to clear in a few days anyway but because I thought it might make me sick ( The pill bottle says to take it on an empty stomach ). I'm starting to feel a slight bit better now, I'm still coughing phlegm but not as much and the wheezing is just starting to clear.

Hope your operation goes allright. You've been watching Billy Connolly haven't you ?

jmercer · 6th May 2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by Beady
I mentioned that, a few posts ago. Near as I can tell, it bounced right off Jambo (that seems to happen a lot). Hope you can make more of an impression than I did.

Oops, sorry - I simply missed it. However, I suspect that the only way to make an impression on Jambo would be with a rather large hammer.

BillyJoe · 7th May 2005, 06:52 AM

Well, I don't know about youse guys, but I can remember only ever taking antibiotics once in my life. That was when my testicles swelled to twice their usual size. I thought I'd better do something about that little problem before it was too late.

BillyJoe

Beady · 7th May 2005, 09:26 AM

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That was when my testicles swelled to twice their usual size.

I've had that, too! For those not in the know, this particular condition is named (wait for it!):

Orchidosis. That is, a condition of the orchids.

Seriously!

I was on antibiotics for a couple of weeks, and bedrest for the first three or four days until the swelling started to go down. While I was sick at home, the wife had to go to the drugstore (aka chemist) to buy me a special support. It was like a jock strap, but it only held the, err, jewels. I had to wear it whenever I was out of bed for the rest of the period, and it was kind of embarrasing, since the way it supported the scrotum made Harvey sort of stick out to the front. Even with pants on, it was sort of obvious. Goint to work was real fun, especially since I was in the military at the time.

jambo372 · 7th May 2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by Beady
I've had that, too! For those not in the know, this particular condition is named (wait for it!):

Orchidosis. That is, a condition of the orchids.

Seriously!

I was on antibiotics for a couple of weeks, and bedrest for the first three or four days until the swelling started to go down. While I was sick at home, the wife had to go to the drugstore (aka chemist) to buy me a special support. It was like a jock strap, but it only held the, err, jewels. I had to wear it whenever I was out of bed for the rest of the period, and it was kind of embarrasing, since the way it supported the scrotum made Harvey sort of stick out to the front. Even with pants on, it was sort of obvious. Goint to work was real fun, especially since I was in the military at the time.

I thought that was called orchitis, usually secondary to a viral infection (mumps) or a bacterial infection ( the clap, NSU, epididymitis, UTIs etc ). If connected with epididymitis it is known as epididymo-orchitis. It sounds painful anyway.

Beady · 7th May 2005, 10:55 AM

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I thought that was called orchitis

Whatever. It was ~25 years ago. Hopefully, a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

Edit: I absolutely refuse to ask why Jambo knows so much about a condition he doesn't claim to have had. I also refuse to ask how many other conditions/diseases that he's also never had, yet concerning which he has an abnormal amount of knowledge. I further refuse to ask why.

Radwaste · 7th May 2005, 11:09 AM

I'm surprised no one has pointed out that the contents of the Bible have caused more misery than anything on its cover.

There you have it.

dann · 7th May 2005, 11:17 AM

Don't be surprised. Somebody did!

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Bibles *are* breeding grounds for disease. Mental disease.

jambo372 · 7th May 2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by BillyJoe
Well, I don't know about youse guys, but I can remember only ever taking antibiotics once in my life. That was when my testicles swelled to twice their usual size. I thought I'd better do something about that little problem before it was too late.

BillyJoe

I remember taking them as well a few times.

I'm taking them just now for my chest infection or 'URI' as Beady insists on calling it. I also took a different one before for the same reasons. I only remember taking them one other time ... I had a whitlow for weeks, I had put antiseptic cream and a plaster on it but it wouldn't go away and started to form an abcess.

I try to avoid taking them where I see practical ... it reduces your chances of side effects, allergy and superinfection.

BillyJoe · 7th May 2005, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by jambo372
I remember taking them as well a few times.

Good. I wouldn't have wanted your testicles to have shrunken away to nothing.

BJ

jambo372 · 7th May 2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by BillyJoe
Good. I wouldn't have wanted your testicles to have shrunken away to nothing.

BJ

Not for orchitis.

3rd May 2005, 01:55 AM	#41
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	jambo- Don't forget group four- People forced to wait four hours in the queue for "emergency" treatment in a hospital. (And we don't all have teenager's long range bladders). My point about visitors transmitting bugs in hospital- we mostly all carry Staph.a, and you're right, it's less likely to be the resistant variety (at the moment), but there's a much higher chance that a visitor to a hospital can acquire mrsa (for example from that hospital toilet door ) and then transport it to the already ill person he came to visit. Since I'm headed for investigative surgery at Wishaw in ten days, this is something I take seriously!
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3rd May 2005, 04:12 AM	#42
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 As for public bathrooms ... they're clatty, I never use them. Only 3 types of people use them ... 1) The Insane 2) The Incontinent 3) The Mingers Well, I use them, and I'm neither Insane nor Incontinent (sorry I don't know what a Minger is). Perhaps it's because I'm.......(read my sig) But, seriously, I do use them and I don't know anyone who doesn't. I don't use paper on the door-knobs, but I have to admit to using paper on the toilet seats and I don't know anyone who doesn't. I'm not sure why this is, but it's probably the same reason that I don't mind shaking hands with people I meet but would be hard put to agree to pressing our butts together. BillyJoe
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3rd May 2005, 12:29 PM	#43
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by BillyJoe ...but I have to admit to using paper on the toilet seats and I don't know anyone who doesn't. Now you do. Maybe you should watch a certain episode of P&T's "BS2." Quote: I'm not sure why this is, but it's probably the same reason that I don't mind shaking hands with people I meet but would be hard put to agree to pressing our butts together. Sleep alone, do you?
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3rd May 2005, 03:14 PM	#44
Solitaire Neoclinus blanchardi Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Johnson City, Tennessee Posts: 1,735	Quote: Originally posted by treble_head I am more than willing to expose myself to viruses and bacteria on a regular basis. The more I am exposed to, and survive, the better I am adapted to survive. It's called life. The person who wraps their hands in tissue to open a door is just about as likely to get infected as the person who's concerned with leaving the bathroom with their bare hands, or from my observations of my hypochondriac friends, more likely, as they seem to miss work more often than I do. Hm. A subscriber to the hypothesis: what doesn't kill me makes me stronger.
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3rd May 2005, 03:22 PM	#45
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Soapy Sam jambo- Don't forget group four- People forced to wait four hours in the queue for "emergency" treatment in a hospital. (And we don't all have teenager's long range bladders). My point about visitors transmitting bugs in hospital- we mostly all carry Staph.a, and you're right, it's less likely to be the resistant variety (at the moment), but there's a much higher chance that a visitor to a hospital can acquire mrsa (for example from that hospital toilet door ) and then transport it to the already ill person he came to visit. Since I'm headed for investigative surgery at Wishaw in ten days, this is something I take seriously! If the hospital was so saturated with MRSA the patient would probably end up getting it on their own hands anyway. Personally if I was in hospital, I'd be more worried about getting a VREF infection. VREF are sometimes resistant to every drug and can cause fatal septicaemia and endocarditis. It is less virulent and less common than MRSA but typically more resistant. New strains of MRSA are also occuring in hospitals GISA/VISA and VRSA/GRSA. They sometimes need experimental drugs as they have become at least partly resistant to Vancomycin ( sometimes the only drug effective against nosocomial Staph aureus infection ). Some strains of Staphylococci that are even resistant to these new drugs have also been reported. Then there are gram negative superbugs: Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Acinetobacter, Klebsiella, Enterobacter etc. You may never survive your surgery. What surgery are you getting anyway ?
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3rd May 2005, 07:43 PM	#46
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	Surely the good that Bibles do outweigh whatever small risk they carry of disease? We sometimes have Book of Mormons in our hospital rooms too. So there's twice the potential for disease. Do hospitals allow other books into the rooms? How about things like TV guides?

3rd May 2005, 08:53 PM	#47
Perpetual Notion Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 412	At all the hospitals I've worked at, people can have whatever reading materials they want. If they leave them behind, they're generally given away for free to whoever wants them or, if the person was in isolation, it's thrown out as contaminated. Infectious diseases are taken very seriously and the types of infections that Jambo is talking about are, with the exception of MRSA, not that common. Even with MRSA, I probably only have about 1-2 cases a month on my floor and in a months time, I'll have more than 200 patients rotate through. MRSA tends to be localized to a wound and I can count on one hand the number of people who have had MRSA in their lungs in the 16 years I've been working in hospitals. I've only seen one case of VRSA. I tend to see a lot of people coming from nursing homes with these types of infections because they're not always aware that patients are infected until the patient has been hospitalized and diagnosed. Quote: You may never survive your surgery. What surgery are you getting anyway ? Dont' worry Jambo, I heard he's going to a healing circle first.
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4th May 2005, 02:56 AM	#48
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Quote: Originally posted by Beady Now you do. I meant public toilet seats. Quote: Originally posted by Beady Maybe you should watch a certain episode of P&T's "BS2." Quote: Originally posted by Beady Sleep alone, do you? By "people I meet" I mean "people who I don't know but who I meet for the first time". BJ
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4th May 2005, 08:38 AM	#49
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Perpetual Notion At all the hospitals I've worked at, people can have whatever reading materials they want. If they leave them behind, they're generally given away for free to whoever wants them or, if the person was in isolation, it's thrown out as contaminated. Infectious diseases are taken very seriously and the types of infections that Jambo is talking about are, with the exception of MRSA, not that common. Even with MRSA, I probably only have about 1-2 cases a month on my floor and in a months time, I'll have more than 200 patients rotate through. MRSA tends to be localized to a wound and I can count on one hand the number of people who have had MRSA in their lungs in the 16 years I've been working in hospitals. I've only seen one case of VRSA. I tend to see a lot of people coming from nursing homes with these types of infections because they're not always aware that patients are infected until the patient has been hospitalized and diagnosed. Dont' worry Jambo, I heard he's going to a healing circle first. Yes I admit they are rare, but they MAY occur. Most of the ones I mentioned mostly infect only certain people eg children, pensioners, people with cancer/other infections, people taking immunosuppressants/steroids/chemotherapy/certain anti-microbials, alcholics and catheterised patients. In the case of Enterobacter, some clinicians have noticed a steady increase in the number of cases. It is highly resistant to even some of the most potent drugs and is prone to developing resistance to certain drugs during treatment, even if they initially test as sensitive. VREF are quite rare but cause a significant proportion of all invasive Enterococcal infections in some large city hospitals in the US and Japan. MRSA is usually confined to lesions but can spread anywhere. Staphylococcus aureus can actually infect just about any organ. It can cause all of the following things, some common and some rare : boils, cellulitis, impetigo, paronychia, bacteraemia/septicaemia, ear infections, osteomyelitis, endocarditis, meningitis, bronchitis/pneumonia, enterocolitis, food poisoning, UTI, Toxic Shock Syndrome, several pyogenic infections Also, scientists have found far fewer new classes of naturally occuring drugs that have been approved for medical use over the last 2 decades or so. Most of the anti-microbials used today have came from the same genera - the actinomycetes. They are currently researching potential MRSA vaccines, genetic engineering, new drugs & nanotubes against MRSA. They are also researching bacteriacidal viruses which have been used in Russian hospitals with success for decades.
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4th May 2005, 10:23 AM	#50
dann Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederiksberg (Copenhagen) Posts: 2,921	Quote: Originally posted by treble_head The more I am exposed to, and survive, the better I am adapted to survive. It's called life. The more you are exposed to, and don't survive, the better you are adapted to ... It's called death.
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4th May 2005, 12:22 PM	#51
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 Yes I admit they are rare, but they MAY occur. Jambo, do you realize how many calamities you could say this about? If you're going to ever get anything done, then you have to quit trying to stack the deck and just play the cards you're dealt.
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4th May 2005, 12:25 PM	#52
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by BillyJoe *I meant public* toilet seats.** So did I. The reference to Penn & Teller was an episode in Season 2, where they deal with public toilet seats, and the like. Bottom line, you're perfectly safe, and don't need those paper seat covers. Quote: By "people I meet" I mean "people who I don't know but who I meet for the first time". That's kind of what I meant.
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4th May 2005, 01:47 PM	#53
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Beady Jambo, do you realize how many calamities you could say this about? If you're going to ever get anything done, then you have to quit trying to stack the deck and just play the cards you're dealt. They are rare superbugs but not so much so that the risk is extremely negligible. It's better safe than sorry.. I've had an infection in my chest for weeks now, I've been wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm. I've been taking a cough bottle but haven't noticed a difference. I got tablets yesterday but decided to leave them alone for a few days and take them if I'm not improving by then. My cousin has something similar and is taking a different tablet but doesn't feel it's helping. If you can get an infection like this without setting foot in a hospital what would it be like otherwise ? About public toilet seats ... as I've mentioned previously I never use them. Didn't somebody put superglue on a public toilet seat once and it ended up taking an operation to get it off someone's arse ?
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4th May 2005, 02:04 PM	#54
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 I got tablets yesterday but decided to leave them alone for a few days and take them if I'm not improving by then. If you can get an infection like this without setting foot in a hospital what would it be like otherwise ? If you've got an upper respiratory infection, you need to take antibiotics, not look at them on the table. For someone who claims to be so cautious about germs, you seem to be pretty cavalier about combating active disease. Remember, it was a common URI that killed Jim Henson in three days. Quote: About public toilet seats ... as I've mentioned previously I never use them. Didn't somebody put superglue on a public toilet seat once and it ended up taking an operation to get it off someone's arse ? You don't want to take antibiotics to fight a weeks-old active URI that has you "wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm," but you'd rather pee your pants than use public restrooms, so you can avoid a one-in-a-million chance that you'll fall victim to a prank. I'm sorry, but your sense of logic entirely escapes me.
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4th May 2005, 02:12 PM	#55
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Beady [b]If you've got an upper respiratory infection, you need to take antibiotics, not look at them on the table. For someone who claims to be so cautious about germs, you seem to be pretty cavalier about combating active disease. Remember, it was a common URI that killed Jim Henson in three days. You don't want to take antibiotics to fight a weeks-old active URI that has you "wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm," but you'd rather pee your pants than use public restrooms, so you can avoid a one-in-a-million chance that you'll fall victim to a prank. I'm sorry, but your sense of logic entirely escapes me. I said I'd take my pills if I didn't get better in a few days. A few days will hardly make a difference. I'm not sweating constantly, just a bit more than usual when I've been walking a lot or wearing a jacket. They haven't helped my cousin much ... of course she probably says she has the same trouble as me and actually has a cold and it was a different medication they gave her anyway. I would use a public bathroom if it was clean and I was about to pish myself. I just avoid them whenever possible.
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5th May 2005, 04:34 AM	#56
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Quote: Originally posted by dann The more you are exposed to, and don't survive, the better you are adapted to ... It's called death. dann, you are missing the point.
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5th May 2005, 04:41 AM	#57
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Beady, Quote: Originally posted by Beady The reference to Penn & Teller was an episode in Season 2, where they deal with public toilet seats, and the like. Bottom line, you're perfectly safe, and don't need those paper seat covers. Yes, I understand. I am not always entirely logical in my actions. Placing paper on toilet seats is for me an emotional rather than a rational thing to do. As I said there are more bugs up your nose and in your gut. BillyJoe
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5th May 2005, 04:53 AM	#58
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	jambo Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 I've been taking a cough bottle but haven't noticed a difference. All through you've been sounding like an expert teaching us all about bacteria and antibiotic resistance and then, all of a sudden, out of the blue, we get from you this average joe knee-jerk reaction to a respiratory infection - get a bottle of cough mixture! billyjoe
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5th May 2005, 09:28 AM	#59
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by BillyJoe jambo All through you've been sounding like an expert teaching us all about bacteria and antibiotic resistance and then, all of a sudden, out of the blue, we get from you this average joe knee-jerk reaction to a respiratory infection - get a bottle of cough mixture! billyjoe I never said I was an expert. I'm just interested in medical microbiology and infection. There's nothing wrong with taking a cough bottle for a chest infection ( as long as it has no suppressants such as codeine in it ). I also tried inhaling steam from a bowl of boiling water and menthol crystals. The doctor gave me Oxytetracycline the otherday but I've only started taking them this afternoon because I had decided to leave it a few days and take it if I still wasn't better. It's better to give your immune system a chance to do it's own dirty work ... of course to be fair I had been coughing up thick gunk for about 3 weeks and had been wheezing for a week.
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5th May 2005, 12:48 PM	#60
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 I said I'd take my pills if I didn't get better in a few days. A few days will hardly make a difference. What's the point in waiting? Do you win a prize if you can hold out a certain number amount of time without either dying or taking a pill? Does it somehow increase your virtue? Seriously, what's the point? Quote: I would use a public bathroom if it was clean and I was about to pish myself. I just avoid them whenever possible. So... When you said you never use them...?
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5th May 2005, 12:51 PM	#61
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 It's better to give your immune system a chance to do it's own dirty work ... of course to be fair I had been coughing up thick gunk for about 3 weeks and had been wheezing for a week. Oh, now I see. If you're not dead or mending in three weeks, try modern medicine. I'm convinced.
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5th May 2005, 01:49 PM	#62
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Beady Oh, now I see. If you're not dead or mending in three weeks, try modern medicine. I'm convinced. It's hardly likely I was going to die, I just had a bad persistent chest infection. If I thought I was dying I'd have gone to hospital. And it didn't take me 3 weeks to try modern medicine ... I took a cough bottle ( containing Guafenesin ). What's wrong with giving your body the chance to fight an infection ? Anyway I said I've started taking the Oxytetracycline pills today.
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6th May 2005, 12:47 AM	#63
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 It's hardly likely I was going to die, I just had a bad persistent chest infection. So, in this one thread, "wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm," has become "a bad persistent chest infection." And, "I never use them (public restrooms) anyway," has become "I just avoid them whenever possible." And "...using bed linen 5-6 times without washing it actually happens in hospitals believe it or not" has become "...it has happened on rare occasions in certain hospitals." A pattern is beginning to emerge. Instead of "Jambo," maybe you should be called "Chicken Little." Quote: What's wrong with giving your body the chance to fight an infection ? What's wrong with giving it some help? And I don't mean cough syrup; cough syrup is plainly inadequate for a URI requiring an antibiotic.
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6th May 2005, 08:27 AM	#64
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Beady [b]So, in this one thread, "wheezing, sweating and coughing up loads of thick stringy greenish yellow phlegm," has become "a bad persistent chest infection." And, "I never use them (public restrooms) anyway," has become "I just avoid them whenever possible." And "...using bed linen 5-6 times without washing it actually happens in hospitals believe it or not" has become "...it has happened on rare occasions in certain hospitals." A pattern is beginning to emerge. Instead of "Jambo," maybe you should be called "Chicken Little." What's wrong with giving it some help? And I don't mean cough syrup; cough syrup is plainly inadequate for a URI requiring an antibiotic. A bad persistent chest infection, coughing up lots of greenish yellow phlegm for weeks, wheezing and sweating. As far as I'm concerned it's the same thing. When I say I never use public toilets anyway ... I never do anyway. I avoid them whenever possible ... same thing. I've always found them possible to avoid. Using bed linen 5-6 times actually happens in some hospitals believe it or not. It has happened on rare occasions in certain hospitals. What's the difference ? I was just being more specific the second time.
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6th May 2005, 09:12 AM	#65
jmercer Question Everything Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Facing the unfaceable Posts: 12,259	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 It's hardly likely I was going to die, I just had a bad persistent chest infection. If I thought I was dying I'd have gone to hospital. You should consider the sad demise of Jim Henson, creator of the Muppets. He thought he had a case of the flu, when in fact he'd contracted bacterial pneumonia. If he'd gone to the doctor or hospital instead of trying to treat it himself, he would have survived a completely curable infection.
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6th May 2005, 12:50 PM	#66
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by jmercer You should consider the sad demise of Jim Henson, creator of the Muppets. I mentioned that, a few posts ago. Near as I can tell, it bounced right off Jambo (that seems to happen a lot). Hope you can make more of an impression than I did.
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6th May 2005, 01:06 PM	#67
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 A bad persistent chest infection, coughing up lots of greenish yellow phlegm for weeks, wheezing and sweating. As far as I'm concerned it's the same thing. I can only imagine that there are a lot of people with respiratory problems who are glad you're not a doctor. Quote: When I say I never use public toilets anyway ... I never do anyway. I avoid them whenever possible ... same thing. I've always found them possible to avoid. Jambo, there is a substantial difference between "never" and "whenever possible." Really. Look it up. For the record, public restrooms aren't my favorite places, either, and I've been known to show major intestinal fortitude in holding out until I can either get home or get to one that I know from past experience is reasonably clean (usually in a book store -- people who read also seem to respect the need for clean toilets). However, I will maintain that no one "never" uses public restrooms. It's physically impossible. If nothing else, on average a normal man needs to pee at least every four hours; if you're away from home for five or more hours... I have this image of you wandering around a shopping mall, wearing a tournequit and a cork. Quote: Using bed linen 5-6 times actually happens in some hospitals believe it or not. It has happened on rare occasions in certain hospitals. What's the difference? I was just being more specific the second time. The difference is the same as between a common and a rare occurance. The two are entirely different. You weren't merely being more precise, you were being self-contradictory. It's also possible to argue that your first version was a misrepresentation.
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6th May 2005, 03:00 PM	#68
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Beady [b]I can only imagine that there are a lot of people with respiratory problems who are glad you're not a doctor. [b] Jambo, there is a substantial difference between "never" and "whenever possible." Really. Look it up. For the record, public restrooms aren't my favorite places, either, and I've been known to show major intestinal fortitude in holding out until I can either get home or get to one that I know from past experience is reasonably clean (usually in a book store -- people who read also seem to respect the need for clean toilets). However, I will maintain that no one "never" uses public restrooms. It's physically impossible. If nothing else, on average a normal man needs to pee at least every four hours; if you're away from home for five or more hours... I have this image of you wandering around a shopping mall, wearing a tournequit and a cork. The difference is the same as between a common and a rare occurance. The two are entirely different. You weren't merely being more precise, you were being self-contradictory. It's also possible to argue that your first version was a misrepresentation. The receptionist in the doctors said it was a chest infection. The most common explanation for such symptoms is acute bronchitis. If I'm so desperate I pee behind bushes or trees, or up a close. I said SOME hospitals. SOME hospitals could mean anything ... 2 hospitals ... dozens of hospitals, most hospitals. Jim Henson had pneumonia ... I don't. I've had the same thing before and I got better. Why do you keep telling me this anyway ... I told you I'm on antibiotics.
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6th May 2005, 03:15 PM	#69
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,885	Jambo- Did this mystery infection start before or after your urine drinking experiments? Did you mention same to the doctor at all? Just idle curiosity. In my case they plan to shove a camera up where the sun don't shine. What follows depends on what they find. I suspect it's mice myself. I'm just hoping it's not the same camera they shoved down from the top last time I was in hospital. It was kind of big... At least I hope they wash it before and afterwards... (Wire brush and dettol...)
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6th May 2005, 03:25 PM	#70
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Soapy Sam Jambo- Did this mystery infection start before or after your urine drinking experiments? Did you mention same to the doctor at all? Just idle curiosity. In my case they plan to shove a camera up where the sun don't shine. What follows depends on what they find. I suspect it's mice myself. I'm just hoping it's not the same camera they shoved down from the top last time I was in hospital. It was kind of big... At least I hope they wash it before and afterwards... (Wire brush and dettol...) No, it didn't start after drinking pish. I was just coughing up thick greeny yellow phlegm for weeks and then I started wheezing and doing a bit of sweating. I had went through a cough bottle but didn't feel better. My mum phoned the doctor's surgery and told the receptionist my symptoms and personal details ( I hadn't drank pish for quite a while). She said it sounded like a chest infection and she'd ask the doctor if he could get a prescription put in the chemists for me ( I never actually saw the doctor in person ). They gave me the tablets on Tuesday but I only started taking them yesterday not only because I thought it might start to clear in a few days anyway but because I thought it might make me sick ( The pill bottle says to take it on an empty stomach ). I'm starting to feel a slight bit better now, I'm still coughing phlegm but not as much and the wheezing is just starting to clear. Hope your operation goes allright. You've been watching Billy Connolly haven't you ?
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6th May 2005, 03:33 PM	#71
jmercer Question Everything Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Facing the unfaceable Posts: 12,259	Quote: Originally posted by Beady I mentioned that, a few posts ago. Near as I can tell, it bounced right off Jambo (that seems to happen a lot). Hope you can make more of an impression than I did. Oops, sorry - I simply missed it. However, I suspect that the only way to make an impression on Jambo would be with a rather large hammer.
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7th May 2005, 06:52 AM	#72
BillyJoe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MOOROOLBARK Posts: 12,539	Well, I don't know about youse guys, but I can remember only ever taking antibiotics once in my life. That was when my testicles swelled to twice their usual size. I thought I'd better do something about that little problem before it was too late. BillyJoe
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7th May 2005, 09:26 AM	#73
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by BillyJoe That was when my testicles swelled to twice their usual size. I've had that, too! For those not in the know, this particular condition is named (wait for it!): Orchidosis. That is, a condition of the orchids. Seriously! I was on antibiotics for a couple of weeks, and bedrest for the first three or four days until the swelling started to go down. While I was sick at home, the wife had to go to the drugstore (aka chemist) to buy me a special support. It was like a jock strap, but it only held the, err, jewels. I had to wear it whenever I was out of bed for the rest of the period, and it was kind of embarrasing, since the way it supported the scrotum made Harvey sort of stick out to the front. Even with pants on, it was sort of obvious. Goint to work was real fun, especially since I was in the military at the time.
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7th May 2005, 10:13 AM	#74
jambo372 Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,204	Quote: Originally posted by Beady I've had that, too! For those not in the know, this particular condition is named (wait for it!): Orchidosis. That is, a condition of the orchids. Seriously! I was on antibiotics for a couple of weeks, and bedrest for the first three or four days until the swelling started to go down. While I was sick at home, the wife had to go to the drugstore (aka chemist) to buy me a special support. It was like a jock strap, but it only held the, err, jewels. I had to wear it whenever I was out of bed for the rest of the period, and it was kind of embarrasing, since the way it supported the scrotum made Harvey sort of stick out to the front. Even with pants on, it was sort of obvious. Goint to work was real fun, especially since I was in the military at the time. I thought that was called orchitis, usually secondary to a viral infection (mumps) or a bacterial infection ( the clap, NSU, epididymitis, UTIs etc ). If connected with epididymitis it is known as epididymo-orchitis. It sounds painful anyway.
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7th May 2005, 10:55 AM	#75
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Quote: Originally posted by jambo372 I thought that was called orchitis Whatever. It was ~25 years ago. Hopefully, a once-in-a-lifetime experience. Edit: I absolutely refuse to ask why Jambo knows so much about a condition he doesn't claim to have had. I also refuse to ask how many other conditions/diseases that he's also never had, yet concerning which he has an abnormal amount of knowledge. I further refuse to ask why.
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