I was once an atheist, because of religion.

[crimresearch]

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Originally posted by lifegazer
Don't be a bozo. If I'm here saying that Jesus - who lived 2000 years before me - was trying to say the exact same thing as me (different methods of course), then it's obvious that I'm not interested in originality nor ego-reward.
That's irrelevant. Indeed, if my philosophy is correct, then you are no different than me (being God yourself), in which case You have nothing to concede to Me.

I have only ever claimed that my philosophy is original with regards it's presentation. Not every single sentence I have said is unique, but none here can say that some things I have said are not original. The point is that I'm not just following sheppards - I have thought things out for myself. In that respect, I am worth listening to.

I crave neither fame nor fortune for lifegazer. That's not the purpose of my efforts. Indeed, the purpose of my efforts is of the highest order of nobility, since I seek to educate the individual with regards his/her Divine essence.
What gains would a poor sod called lifegazer have to gain from telling everyone else that they are God Itself?
None.

You are the religious equivalent of an Elvis imitator...a karaoke act...a George Fox wannabe.

Self-divinity is soooo...17th century.

[RandFan]

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Originally posted by crimresearch
You are the religious equivalent of an Elvis imitator...a karaoke act...a George Fox wannabe.

Self-divinity is soooo...17th century.

You are correct. We have been telling this to gazer for a year or two now but he really does think that his ideas are original. Oh well.

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Man = fact, God = ?, God + ? = mystery.

Man = fact, Talking bunny = ?, Talking bunny + ? = mystery.

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
Man = fact, Talking bunny = ?, Talking bunny + ? = mystery.

Not in my mind.

[RandFan]

Man = fact, Invisible Pink Unicorn = ?, Invisible Pink Unicorn + ? = mystery.

Is this supposed to be a logical equation?

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Not in my mind.

I respect that, care to prove it?

no no, I know

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
I respect that, care to prove it?

no no, I know

By the way, did you know that mine was the 43rd reply to this thread?

[Ryokan]

If God = ?, then God + ? = 2God or 2? or simply God + ?

I just don't get the equations....

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Ryokan
If God = ?, then God + ? = 2God or 2? or simply God + ?

I just don't get the equations....

Okay, okay ...

Man = fact, God = ?, ? = mystery, God = mystery.

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
By the way, did you know that mine was the 43rd reply to this thread?

Did you know there is a 43 reply to every thread over millions of boards??? over many years

I must assume everyone who ever posted at a board was the 43rd at one time or the other.


LOL

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Okay, okay ...

Man = fact, God = ?, ? = mystery, God = mystery.

Man = fact, God = myth, myth = myth, God = myth.

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
Man = fact, God = myth, myth = myth, God = myth.

God = God.

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
Did you know there is a 43 reply to every thread over millions of boards??? over many years

I must assume everyone who ever posted at a board was the 43rd at one time or the other.


LOL

Oh, I see, safety in numbers huh? You big chicken!

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
God = God.

Got proof?

Your proof is myth-ing

[RandFan]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
Did you know there is a 43 reply to every thread over millions of boards??? over many years

I must assume everyone who ever posted at a board was the 43rd at one time or the other.


LOL

I was thinking that I was missing something.

Now if it had been 42 that would have made sense.

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Oh, I see, safety in numbers huh? You big chicken!

Do you ever say anything logical?

Just won a poker Tourney off to bed soon..Tournament, in the head to head the last player kept telling me how good he was, he could not prove it either… off to bed soon..

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by RandFan
I was thinking that I was missing something. Now if it had been 42 that would have made sense.

LOL he tried that last week told me he was the 42 reply and it proved all he said, problem was he can't count and he was NOT the 42 lol so not 43 is the new number...

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by RandFan
I was thinking that I was missing something.

Now if it had been 42 that would have made sense.

Yes, but the 42nd reply brought up the Easter bunny, and to compare God to the Easter bunny is blasphemy don't you think?

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Yes, but the 42nd reply brought up the Easter bunny, and to compare God to the Easter bunny is blasphemy don't you think?

NOOOOOOOOOO. The Easter bunny is more mature then that.

[Hawk one]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
NOOOOOOOOOO. The Easter bunny is more mature then that.

The easter bunny surely is more mature, but if I was the Easter bunny, and someone compared me to the biggest psychopat ever, that has directly and indirectly killed more people than anyone else in the universe, I'd surely feel blasphemed if someone compared that being to me, even in such a general way as saying we're both myths...

But then again, if I was actually the easter bunny, then I would just laugh, as I'd know I was real, whereas God would still be just a myth.

[Upchurch]

I see cherry-picking is not limited to just science.

[Pahansiri]

Greetings lifegazer

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http://www.alamoministries.com/cont...Never_Said.html

Proof you can find someone to baselessly seem to “prove� what you want to believe. lifegazer did you take the time to
1- research what is clamed in that page?
2- research Tony Alamo?
This man is a HUGE hate monger (over the top hate of Catholics along with just about everyone else.) Take the time to look into his conspiracy theories.

Tony Alamo is the very person you said we should Mock, seems as long as one thing they say fits what you want they become OK and all the rest is ignored. .

Lets us now look into this page “proof� you offer from Tony Alamo.

Did you notice he makes a statement saying it is fact,

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The four first Gospels were written in Aramaic, not Greek. Jesus and His disciples spoke Aramaic and Hebrew, not Greek. Here are the true Words Christ spoke on the cross: Jesus really cried out, "My God, My God for this I was kept" (Matt. 27:46, Orig. Text).

We find that this statement does mix fact, the early Gospels, all of them were written in Aramaic. But he offers NO proof of the Aramaic words and their translation "My God, My God for this I was kept". Why?

He offers no proof at all just his word, do you really believe things just because it is said?

He speaks of “the original text� has he seen the original text? No, there are no longer original text and most likely there were none. Most likely it was orally transmitted from person to person even if they were written no one living has seen them.

There were many early Gospels of the small cult of Christians, most were not used by the writers the Emperor Constantine had write a book to fit his needs.
Remember that one of the early Gospels left out told a story of Jesus killing another boy when he was a boy. Also the early text/stories by Paul do not say Jesus was a real man but only a spirit.

The Bible contains little new and is a rehashing of stories of the other beliefs in Rome at the time, all far older then this new Christian belief.

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behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [Luke 17:21 KJV]

The kingdom of God cannot be within you unless you are that God.

1. Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
2. Matthew 21:32
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
3. Mark 9:47
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,
4. Mark 10:15
I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."
5. Mark 10:23
Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"
6. Mark 10:24
The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is [ Some manuscripts is for those who trust in riches] to enter the kingdom of God!
7. Mark 10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
8. Luke 18:17
I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."


Please notice key word ENTER

If you are God you do not have to enter what is already within you.

Next look at one of many passages talking about “ascending� to the kingdom of God/ heaven

I will use just this example as it serves a duel purpose.
Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

We see he ascended “up� into heaven and sat on the right hand of God

May I ask, can you sit at your own right hand side????

I posted John 14:28, "My Father is greater than I.
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Clearly he is not saying “ I am God and I am greater then I am�

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Jesus was talking to those that believed themselves to be men.
To say that God is greater than Jesus does not mean that Jesus has a separate existence to God. Clearly, when Jesus says "I and the Father are One", he specifically talks about a singularness of existence. Indeed, for Jesus to be One with God means that Jesus must be God, experiencing itself to be Jesus.

WRONG, he clearly says he is NOT God and God is better. If as you say he was talking to men that believed themselves to be men, he would say to them YOU ARE NOT MEN, YOU ARE GOD.

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Here, he's telling you that judgement is a consequence of believing oneself to be man and separate from the rest of existence. Also, he's saying that 'man' has zero power to effect anything - that all change emanates from God.

1- wrong again what he is saying is
John 5:22 (English-NIV) Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,
2- Verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19)
One says he judges and not God ( meaning he is not God) then he says only God judges and not him..

You say

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Also, he's saying that 'man' has zero power to effect anything - that all change emanates from God.

NO here John 5:22 (English-NIV) Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

It says man/Jesus has the power, please read what is written.

Also it is illogical to say

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'man' has zero power to effect anything - that all change emanates from God.

Because 1- You say you have powers to perform miracles.
3- you said there is no man, only God, then also that man is God.. Make up your mind.

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Here, he's just saying that his life is centred around what God wants and not what Jesus wants. Again, he's not specifically saying that he is a man who is separate from God. Indeed, as mentioned earlier, his declaration of unity with God should dispel all doubt about this.

Wrong, he is clearly saying he was “SENT� by God to save the world.

You believe that God is lost and sad and suffering and you LG the savior must save him as he does not know what is going on.

Jesus clearly says ( as far as this book.) he was sent by God as to Gods plan.

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Rubbish. All he's saying is that God is the essence of good. He's rebuking the person who has attributed goodness to the man Jesus.

Balderdash and poppycock I say to you good man.

He is clearly saying HE is NOT God and only GOD not him is good.

Luke 18:19, Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God..."

If he believed he was God he would have said “ I am Good and Good and you are GOD and good, so be Good.

Come on, think man think.

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They saw the reality of man. So Jesus is reduced to talking to others in terms of both man and God.

Again I am forced to say Balderdash and poppycock I say to you good man.


1- If he wanted them to know the truth he would told them the truth, he would have said HE was God and they were God… THINK MAN THINK..
I am sure he would never said Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
If he were GOD.

I just tried and I can not for the life of me sit next to me…

[lifegazer]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
Please notice key word ENTER

If you are God you do not have to enter what is already within you.

Sigh. One can enter into different states of mental awareness and attitude without moving and without going through any doors.

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Next look at one of many passages talking about “ascending� to the kingdom of God/ heaven

One can ascend to a higher plain of spiritual existence without rising one inch.
You really are a hopeless cause when it comes to this bible stuff.

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Balderdash and poppycock I say to you good man.

There is none good or bad except One - God. And there are no men - only a belief in the existence of them.

You're a buddhist and have accepted that "All is an illusion.". You don't even believe in the existence of 'self'. Yet bizarrely, you defend the reality of your humanity. I think it's about time you ditched your purple togas and sandals mate and just became an atheist. You'd make much more sense if you did.
And you never did answer that question for me, did you? The one asking you:
If everything is an illusion, then WHO is experiencing that illusion?

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Come on, think man think.

You do make me laugh.

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I just tried and I can not for the life of me sit next to me…

Silly Billy.

[Pahansiri]

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Sigh. One can enter into different states of mental awareness and attitude without moving and without going through any doors.

Yes I believe that but what has it to do with what I said? Sigh.

By the way you and I believe that but if you make it a statement of fact some here will rightly so ask you to prove it.

[quote] One can ascend to a higher plain of spiritual existence without rising one inch.[quote]

Yet you choose to ignore Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

And many such passages that speak of heaven as a physical place, a place where there is God and others not just God.

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You really are a hopeless cause when it comes to this bible stuff.

?? Because I demonstrate I know the Bible better then you? That is illogical.

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There is none good or bad except One - God. And there are no men - only a belief in the existence of them.

Proof please.

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You're a buddhist and have accepted that "All is an illusion.". You don't even believe in the existence of 'self'. Yet bizarrely, you defend the reality of your humanity.

Yes, and? How is this bizarre? You believe in this story called Jesus yet make a statement like that even though this being ( along with calling for killings of beings) speaks of love and kindness towards humanity. Do you not know what it is you believe?

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I think it's about time you ditched your purple togas and sandals mate and just became an atheist.

Disrespect and childishness noted, no Buddhist monks wear purple, we have covered this already. I am not a monk and wear no robes but I do wear sandals.

Rather then address what I wrote you reduce yourself to such nonsense, far from what one would expect from who says he is God and here to change the world..

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and just became an atheist

I believe there is no evidence of a God or Gods, I believe the God idea is illogical but respect people who believe it.

You keep demanding there is, you demand you have proof and yet backed out from proving it, you say you can perform miracles, you become upset and emotional because people will not simply believe and follow you, you name call and launch into emotional tirades including personal attacks.

How can anyone take you seriously?

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And you never did answer that question for me, did you? The one asking you:
If everything is an illusion, then WHO is experiencing that illusion?

I unlike you answer every question asked of me.

The conditioned mind, the confused, ego and emotional driven, grasping and craving mind. That is my belief, when “we� see through the cloud of this conditioned mind we find it’s true nature and all this silliness is seen as irrelevant illusion. As I have answered every time asked.

I forgive you for bearing false witness. NOW give the proof of God you said you would, or be gone.

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You do make me laugh.

Good, I like to keep it light while dismantling your post, watching you ignore what is written and all facts.

Sad I post something that demonstrates the flaws in your position, facts and your only response is

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Silly Billy.

Let me ask again Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

How did Jesus sit by his own right side?

[uruk]

Cool! Dueling bible quotes.

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Hawk one
The easter bunny surely is more mature, but if I was the Easter bunny, and someone compared me to the biggest psychopat ever, that has directly and indirectly killed more people than anyone else in the universe, I'd surely feel blasphemed if someone compared that being to me, even in such a general way as saying we're both myths...

But then again, if I was actually the easter bunny, then I would just laugh, as I'd know I was real, whereas God would still be just a myth.

Yeah, but don't you get it? You're just as imaginary as the Easter bunny.

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Yeah, but don't you get it? You're just as imaginary as the Easter bunny.

But he, you I are part of a physical reality, the Easter bunny and God are just myths. Well unless you have some, well….hmmmmmmmm proof of their existence?

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
But he, you I are part of a physical reality, the Easter bunny and God are just myths. Well unless you have some, well….hmmmmmmmm proof of their existence?

Live on! ... until you die. And the only place you will be maintained is in someone else's imagination ... as a myth!

[lifegazer]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
Yes I believe that but what has it to do with what I said? Sigh.

You see words and sentences in the bible and take them at their literal value. You see "enter" and "ascend" as proof that heaven is portrayed as a place in the sky. You're being silly.

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Yes, and? How is this bizarre?

If everything is an illusion, then how can there be humans? "Think man think."
If there is "no self" then there can be no 'you'.
Your Buddhist beliefs are at odds with your belief in the reality of humanity.

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Disrespect and childishness noted, no Buddhist monks wear purple, we have covered this already. I am not a monk and wear no robes but I do wear sandals.

You don't appear to have a sense of humour.

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The conditioned mind, the confused, ego and emotional driven, grasping and craving mind. That is my belief, when “we� see through the cloud of this conditioned mind we find it’s true nature and all this silliness is seen as irrelevant illusion. As I have answered every time asked.

Hold on. Who is the true owner of that Mind? What is existence?
What are 'you'?

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How did Jesus sit by his own right side?

It's all mystical symbolism. There's more to God than Christ consciousness. Here, Jesus speaks of the divine marriage, as it were, between God and Christ consciousness.

[Hawk one]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Live on! ... until you die. And the only place you will be maintained is in someone else's imagination ... as a myth!

Translated to English: No, I don't have any proof, but I'm incapable of just admitting it. Instead I just throw out some profound-sounding gobbledygook, just like I've done the other dozens of times I've been asked about evidence for just about any of my claims.

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Hawk one
Translated to English: No, I don't have any proof, but I'm incapable of just admitting it. Instead I just throw out some profound-sounding gobbledygook, just like I've done the other dozens of times I've been asked about evidence for just about any of my claims.

Well, for all intents and purposes I consider myself a deist, for I believe it's completely inconceivable for one to believe in God without the ability to understand it for oneself. If one can ascertain that 1 + 1 = 2, that clearly tells us that the acknowledgment of truth exists within our minds. Therefore, the truth of God must be accessible there as well. If not, then we have no way of knowing, period.

[lifegazer]

I want to re-emphasise the importance of these passages from John, KJV...

11: Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth (WHOMEVER!!) on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


Whose name is he talking about?
Clearly he's talking about 'God', since he reports that he and the Father are One. God must be Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is who God is [internally] experiencing itself to be.
But here, he says that whomever asks for something in the name of God will get what he ordains. Know what Jesus knew and be as Jesus was, is the message.
Elsewhere, he says "Ye are Gods".

Now tell me why Christianity ignores the significance of such passages? Why can Jesus call us Gods but not we ourselves?

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Live on! ... until you die. And the only place you will be maintained is in someone else's imagination ... as a myth!

Silly boy as a physical reality, lives I touched, clients, an HBO movie, titles won in sport Articles written, my children, children’s children and on it goes.

Please point out any of the things I have listed you can show God or Jesus has. OK?

It is not part of my child's imagination I was his father, it is a physical reality..

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
Silly boy as a physical reality, lives I touched, clients, an HBO movie, titles won in sport Articles written, my children, children’s children and on it goes.

Please point out any of the things I have listed you can show God or Jesus has. OK?

It is not part of my child's imagination I was his father, it is a physical reality..

And do you know what I think, somebody -- some magician perhaps? -- has very cleverly pulled the wool over your eyes. Because "you" are purely a fiction.

[Iacchus]

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Originally posted by Pahansiri
It is not part of my child's imagination I was his father, it is a physical reality..

Yet the only thing which is aware of the physical reality, is the mental reality. And there sir, you are a legend in your own mind.

[Pahansiri]

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You see words and sentences in the bible and take them at their literal value. You see "enter" and "ascend" as proof that heaven is portrayed as a place in the sky. You're being silly.

Silly boy that is
1- illogical I do not take the Bible literal and see it for what it is.
2- YOU do take the Bible literally and believe “behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [Luke 17:21 KJV] and
20: At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.�

Tell me, you keep ignoring this Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Where is “up in heaven�? and can you sit on the right side of you?

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If everything is an illusion, then how can there be humans? "Think man think."

Think man think.. It is an illusion to believe that a physical reality, a human body and mind is a “self’. It is an illusion to see a body as just a body and not see it is comprised fully of non-body elements, the same elements that comprise every compound thing.

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If there is "no self" then there can be no 'you'.

BINGO!!!

If you mean “me� as in a real self Mark Bertrand/ Pahansiri… BINGO we have a winner.

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Your Buddhist beliefs are at odds with your belief in the reality of humanity.

Pick up a book and learn so you do not make yourself look as if you do not know of what you speak. Also read what it says not what you want it to saw.

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You don't appear to have a sense of humour.

Everyone is a critic ….

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Hold on. Who is the true owner of that Mind?

Owner? Such silly concepts. Illusions like up and down, right and left, north and south…..

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What is existence?

Illusion, albeit it a persistent one. Einstein

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What are 'you'?

Define “you�

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It's all mystical symbolism. There's more to God than Christ consciousness. Here, Jesus speaks of the divine marriage, as it were, between God and Christ consciousness.

Very nice flowery dance, you actually said nothing but it sounded pretty.


Lets start with
1- Prove God
2- Prove Jesus
3- Prove God and Christ consciousness
4- Prove you will ever try to prove what you say you are going to…

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
And do you know what I think, somebody -- some magician perhaps? -- has very cleverly pulled the wool over your eyes. Because "you" are purely a fiction.

Sad that this is the best you can do when presented with fact..

Really, you know this?? LOL care to prove it? No I did not think so but I will just sit down and drink your kool-aid and believe you blindly.

[Pahansiri]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Yet the only thing which is aware of the physical reality, is the mental reality. And there sir, you are a legend in your own mind.

So, the child at the hospital I was playing with this weekend who is very severely autistic having little touch with any reality outside himself, being he does not know of you, does this mean you do not exist as to a physical reality?

As to being a legend in my own mind, I still do wrestle with my ego but of course I have not said I was the choosen by God new leader of the NEW CHURCH here to save the world...

[nabiscothejerd]

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1- Prove God

The only way to prove that god exists is for him to get his unmerciful and lazy butt down here and for him to stop making us have faith in him. After all if we just have faith that the government will do what they say why do we have to watch them like dogs. The creators of the bible created the rule of biblical faith so that they could not be disproved and because they couldn't do it themselves (but they never cared to do that, they want to have power through fear and people like lacchus could never stifle their efforts because they believe although he will say that he's not a christian he just believes in what christ says).

[Hawk one]

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Well, for all intents and purposes I consider myself a deist, for I believe it's completely inconceivable for one to believe in God without the ability to understand it for oneself. If one can ascertain that 1 + 1 = 2, that clearly tells us that the acknowledgment of truth exists within our minds. Therefore, the truth of God must be accessible there as well. If not, then we have no way of knowing, period.

Ahh, the old "1+1 = 2, therefore God exists" argument in a new word wrapping. Still completely irrelevant, still proving nothing at all, except that 1+1=2. It is a complete non sequitur to assume that God must exist based on this, of course. Could you instead of repeating your unsupported and previously disproven asertions show some actual evidence of an actual existance of god?