That Wacky Old Jehovah

Skeptical Greg · 27th May 2005, 11:50 AM

Our discussion with Claus the Skepnificent had me browsing through Exodus, and this just tickled my funny bone..

Exodus 21 (New International Version)

20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

You would think they could cover a few more eventualities, like what if they are in a coma for a year or two ?

The whole chapter is pretty hilarious..

http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?...=21&version=31

Anyone who insists on quoting the Old Testament as a basis for any behaviour, needs to have this gone over with them...

Marquis de Carabas · 27th May 2005, 11:57 AM

What counts as a direct result? If they die of an infection in one of the wounds you caused, is that a different penalty?

TragicMonkey · 27th May 2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
What counts as a direct result? If they die of an infection in one of the wounds you caused, is that a different penalty?

Unless Exodus is up on germ theory, such an infection would be the result of devils, and not the person who beat them. It's God's swill! I mean, will!

Iacchus · 27th May 2005, 12:41 PM

Oh, we can only hope to be so sure of ourselves! ...

Marquis de Carabas · 27th May 2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Oh, we can only hope to be so sure of ourselves! ...

No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

Skeptical Greg · 27th May 2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

But what if it is only an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

Iacchus · 27th May 2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

Just so long as we understand what drives our beliefs. So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?

Marquis de Carabas · 27th May 2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by Diogenes
But what if it is only an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

It might just appear to be an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

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Originally posted by Cap'n Sparky
So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?

Green. Perhaps fading to blue near the bottom. Yeah, that'd look nice.

Iacchus · 27th May 2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
Green. Perhaps fading to blue near the bottom. Yeah, that'd look nice.

Hey, maybe this is all the faith that God requires, is that we have an open mind?

Skeptical Greg · 27th May 2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas
It might just appear to be an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.

[Homer voice ] .. The illusion of an illusion. Hmmmmm.. [/voice]

Skeptical Greg · 27th May 2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Hey, maybe this is all the faith that God requires, is that we have an open mind?

An open mind? About beating our slaves ?

I'll have to think about that...

Iacchus · 27th May 2005, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Diogenes
An open mind? About beating our slaves ?

I'll have to think about that...

And coming from someone who's no doubt a determinist, what's that supposed to mean? Do you believe that man is endowed with free will?

Z · 27th May 2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Iacchus
And coming from someone who's no doubt a determinist, what's that supposed to mean? Do you believe that man is endowed with free will?

Man may be well endowed, but his will has a price.

Riddick · 27th May 2005, 11:08 PM

@OP: all of this jref material will be really cutting edge in a couple thousand years.

Skeptical Greg · 29th May 2005, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Riddick
@OP: all of this jref material will be really cutting edge in a couple thousand years.

No it won't.. There will be a 23rd century JREF, unlike the Bible, which sounds more stupid the older it gets..

arthwollipot · 30th May 2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by Iacchus
Just so long as we understand what drives our beliefs. So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?

Because all other methods have failed?

Beerina · 15th June 2005, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Diogenes
Our discussion with Claus the Skepnificent had me browsing through Exodus, and this just tickled my funny bone..

Exodus 21 (New International Version)

20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

You would think they could cover a few more eventualities, like what if they are in a coma for a year or two ?

Hehe. Well, he's still property. After all, if he were brain damaged such he cannot do any useful work anymore, well, remember an owner gets to damage his own property at his whim.

Here's the real question though: What if he damages the slave so much the slave can no longer meaningfully accept Jesus, and at the point of brain damagification, he was not yet in a state of grace?

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So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?

We don't. We expect to make him cry, which he deserves.

27th May 2005, 11:50 AM	#1
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	That Wacky Old Jehovah Our discussion with Claus the Skepnificent had me browsing through Exodus, and this just tickled my funny bone.. Exodus 21 (New International Version) 20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. You would think they could cover a few more eventualities, like what if they are in a coma for a year or two ? The whole chapter is pretty hilarious.. http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?...=21&version=31 Anyone who insists on quoting the Old Testament as a basis for any behaviour, needs to have this gone over with them...
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27th May 2005, 11:57 AM	#2
Marquis de Carabas Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: vuori Posts: 27,106	What counts as a direct result? If they die of an infection in one of the wounds you caused, is that a different penalty?
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27th May 2005, 12:31 PM	#3
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,112	Quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas What counts as a direct result? If they die of an infection in one of the wounds you caused, is that a different penalty? Unless Exodus is up on germ theory, such an infection would be the result of devils, and not the person who beat them. It's God's swill! I mean, will!
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27th May 2005, 12:44 PM	#5
Marquis de Carabas Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: vuori Posts: 27,106	Quote: Originally posted by Iacchus *Oh, we can only hope* to be so sure of ourselves! ...** No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.
	__________________ Jesus ... wasn't he the bloke who turned fish into wine and made the lepers multiply? -KateHL Violence is more acceptable than incest. I have been told to keep this in mind.

27th May 2005, 12:48 PM	#6
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves. But what if it is only an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves.
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27th May 2005, 12:41 PM	#4
Iacchus Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 10,085	Oh, we can only hope to be so sure of ourselves! ...

27th May 2005, 12:49 PM	#7
Iacchus Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 10,085	Quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas No, not only that. We can also believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves. Just so long as we understand what drives our beliefs. So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?

27th May 2005, 12:52 PM	#8
Marquis de Carabas Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: vuori Posts: 27,106	Quote: Originally posted by Diogenes But what if it is only an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves. It might just appear to be an illusion that we believe that we aspire to think that we might possibly hope to be so sure of ourselves. Quote: Originally posted by Cap'n Sparky So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him? Green. Perhaps fading to blue near the bottom. Yeah, that'd look nice.
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27th May 2005, 12:54 PM	#9
Iacchus Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 10,085	Quote: Originally posted by Marquis de Carabas Green. Perhaps fading to blue near the bottom. Yeah, that'd look nice. Hey, maybe this is all the faith that God requires, is that we have an open mind?

27th May 2005, 12:56 PM	#11
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Quote: Originally posted by Iacchus *Hey, maybe this is all the faith* that God requires, is that we have an open mind?** An open mind? About beating our slaves ? I'll have to think about that...
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27th May 2005, 01:05 PM	#12
Iacchus Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 10,085	Quote: Originally posted by Diogenes An open mind? About beating our slaves ? I'll have to think about that... And coming from someone who's no doubt a determinist, what's that supposed to mean? Do you believe that man is endowed with free will?

27th May 2005, 01:14 PM	#13
Z D.D.D. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In a den in my lair, on the edge of your mind. Posts: 9,166	Quote: Originally posted by Iacchus *And coming from someone who's no doubt a determinist,* what's that supposed to mean? Do you believe that man is endowed with free will?** Man may be well endowed, but his will has a price.
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27th May 2005, 11:08 PM	#14
Riddick Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 867	@OP: all of this jref material will be really cutting edge in a couple thousand years.

29th May 2005, 04:58 PM	#15
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Quote: Originally posted by Riddick @OP: all of this jref material will be really cutting edge in a couple thousand years. No it won't.. There will be a 23rd century JREF, unlike the Bible, which sounds more stupid the older it gets..
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30th May 2005, 02:28 AM	#16
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The other side of your screen Posts: 43,038	Quote: Originally posted by Iacchus *Just so long as we understand what drives* our beliefs. So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him?** Because all other methods have failed?
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15th June 2005, 05:35 PM	#17
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Re: That Wacky Old Jehovah Quote: Originally posted by Diogenes Our discussion with Claus the Skepnificent had me browsing through Exodus, and this just tickled my funny bone.. Exodus 21 (New International Version) 20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. You would think they could cover a few more eventualities, like what if they are in a coma for a year or two ? Hehe. Well, he's still property. After all, if he were brain damaged such he cannot do any useful work anymore, well, remember an owner gets to damage his own property at his whim. Here's the real question though: What if he damages the slave so much the slave can no longer meaningfully accept Jesus, and at the point of brain damagification, he was not yet in a state of grace? Quote: So, why should you expect God to prove Himself to you by mocking Him? We don't. We expect to make him cry, which he deserves.
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