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Orwell · 16th June 2005, 10:14 PM

City of God
Tom Monaghanâ€™s coming Catholic utopia

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Bold talk â€” but the most dramatic part of Monaghanâ€™s speech is yet to come. Ave Maria wonâ€™t be just a university, he continues. It will also be a new town, built from scratch, in which the wickedness of the world will be kept at bay. "Weâ€™ve already had about 3500 people inquire on our Web site about buying a home there â€” you know, theyâ€™re all Catholic," Monaghan says excitedly. "Weâ€™re going to control all the commercial real estate, so thereâ€™s not going to be any pornography sold in this town. Weâ€™re controlling the cable system. The pharmacies are not going to be able to sell condoms or dispense contraceptives." A private chapel will be located within walking distance of each home. At the stunning church in the center of town, Mass will be said hourly, seven days a week, from 6 a.m. on. "So," Monaghan concludes, with just a hint of understatement, "itâ€™ll be a unique town." As he exits the stage, the applause is thunderous.

How very charmingly cult like!

ceo_esq · 17th June 2005, 05:12 AM

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Originally posted by Orwell

How very charmingly cult like!

On the other hand, you'll probably be able to order from Domino's 24/7.

Seriously, though - it wasn't very long ago at all that many small towns throughout the Western world resembled this planned community in many respects, but no one thought they were "cult-like".

Anyhow, it's interesting to see that the grand old tradition of American utopianism is still with us. Pennsylvania was founded as a more or less similar experiment by that other cultist, William Penn.

Ed · 17th June 2005, 05:33 AM

It's a wonderful idea for those that like that sort of thing. More power to him. The problem is that he is going to have to deal with the insidious impact of the internet and it's associated porn and stuff.

Darat · 17th June 2005, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by ceo_esq
On the other hand, you'll probably be able to order from Domino's 24/7.

Seriously, though - it wasn't very long ago at all that many small towns throughout the Western world resembled this planned community in many respects, but no one thought they were "cult-like".

Anyhow, it's interesting to see that the grand old tradition of American utopianism is still with us. Pennsylvania was founded as a more or less similar experiment by that other cultist, William Penn.

In the UK we have quite a few of these communities that were founded by individuals (generally by very successful merchants), many who had quite at least rigid if not out and out weird beliefs and were quite happy to make it clear how their residents should and must live.

Two still thriving examples are the villages of Port Sunlight http://www.portsunlight.org.uk/ and Bourneville http://www.bvt.org.uk/indexx.html?ur...storystop.html

DaChew · 17th June 2005, 06:24 AM

Cool. I'm going to apply to be one of those religious cops like they've got in Saudi Arabia. I mean, somebody's going to have to go on porn raids right?

Tony · 17th June 2005, 08:09 AM

I bet the "catholic purity" of this "community" barely lasts 2 generations.

headscratcher4 · 17th June 2005, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by Tony
I bet the "catholic purity" of this "community" barely lasts 2 generations.

You are very optimistic...given human history...not to mention the purity of the Vatican since about day one...

Orwell · 17th June 2005, 09:34 AM

Wanna make an easy buck? Open a store on the outskirts of town (just outside their jurisdiction) that sells contraceptives and porn.

Ed · 17th June 2005, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by Orwell
Wanna make an easy buck? Open a store on the outskirts of town (just outside their jurisdiction) that sells contraceptives and porn.

And dope and inflatable Virgin Mary's.

sackett · 17th June 2005, 10:35 AM

Crazy talk â€” but the craziest part of Monaghanâ€™s speech is yet to come. Dark Age wonâ€™t be just a monastery, he babbles. It will include a cluster of wattle-and-daub huts, built from dung, in which the serfs will be kept confined. "You know theyâ€™ll all be Catholic," Monaghan says threateningly. "Weâ€™re going to control everything, so thereâ€™s not going to be any heresy in this village. Weâ€™re controlling the caste system. The pharmacies are not going to sell anything beyond herbs and dried weeds." A compulsory chapel will be located within walking distance of each hovel. At the grotesque cathedral in the center of town, Mass will be said loudly, seven days a week, from 3 a.m. on. "So," Monaghan concludes, with a glint of mania, "itâ€™ll be a unique patch of misery." As he exits the stage, the applause is non-thunderous.

TragicMonkey · 17th June 2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Tony
I bet the "catholic purity" of this "community" barely lasts 2 generations.

Especially considering that without contraceptives, the next generation will outnumber their parents by seven to one.

Mr. Skinny · 17th June 2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by TragicMonkey
Especially considering that without contraceptives, the next generation will outnumber their parents by seven to one.

Sounds like the German-Catholic farming community my mother grew up in. My mom's sister, who still lives there, has 12 children and 55 grandchildren, and most of them still live in the general area.

I'm not sure if George's General store there carries contraceptives or not. Probably not, cause it's right across the street from the Catholic church, but hey, it's the only store in town.

headscratcher4 · 17th June 2005, 01:39 PM

It actually sounds a lot like visiting Spain under Franco...I wonder if they will build in space in the village center for auto de' fes?

Regnad Kcin · 17th June 2005, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Orwell
Wanna make an easy buck? Open a store on the outskirts of town (just outside their jurisdiction) that sells contraceptives and porn.

Add to that a delivery service: "To Your Door In 30 Minutes Or Less, Or It's Free!"

Beerina · 17th June 2005, 05:11 PM

Nevermind. Someone beat me to the punch.

16th June 2005, 10:14 PM	#1
Orwell Nattering Nabob of Negativism Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,364	Tom Monaghanâ€™s coming Catholic utopia City of God Tom Monaghanâ€™s coming Catholic utopia Quote: Bold talk â€” but the most dramatic part of Monaghanâ€™s speech is yet to come. Ave Maria wonâ€™t be just a university, he continues. It will also be a new town, built from scratch, in which the wickedness of the world will be kept at bay. "Weâ€™ve already had about 3500 people inquire on our Web site about buying a home there â€” you know, theyâ€™re all Catholic," Monaghan says excitedly. "Weâ€™re going to control all the commercial real estate, so thereâ€™s not going to be any pornography sold in this town. Weâ€™re controlling the cable system. The pharmacies are not going to be able to sell condoms or dispense contraceptives." A private chapel will be located within walking distance of each home. At the stunning church in the center of town, Mass will be said hourly, seven days a week, from 6 a.m. on. "So," Monaghan concludes, with just a hint of understatement, "itâ€™ll be a unique town." As he exits the stage, the applause is thunderous. How very charmingly cult like!
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17th June 2005, 05:12 AM	#2
ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Re: Tom Monaghanâ€™s coming Catholic utopia Quote: Originally posted by Orwell How very charmingly cult like! On the other hand, you'll probably be able to order from Domino's 24/7. Seriously, though - it wasn't very long ago at all that many small towns throughout the Western world resembled this planned community in many respects, but no one thought they were "cult-like". Anyhow, it's interesting to see that the grand old tradition of American utopianism is still with us. Pennsylvania was founded as a more or less similar experiment by that other cultist, William Penn.
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17th June 2005, 05:33 AM	#3
Ed god Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,691	It's a wonderful idea for those that like that sort of thing. More power to him. The problem is that he is going to have to deal with the insidious impact of the internet and it's associated porn and stuff.
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17th June 2005, 05:51 AM	#4
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,990	Re: Re: Tom Monaghanâ€™s coming Catholic utopia Quote: Originally posted by ceo_esq On the other hand, you'll probably be able to order from Domino's 24/7. Seriously, though - it wasn't very long ago at all that many small towns throughout the Western world resembled this planned community in many respects, but no one thought they were "cult-like". Anyhow, it's interesting to see that the grand old tradition of American utopianism is still with us. Pennsylvania was founded as a more or less similar experiment by that other cultist, William Penn. In the UK we have quite a few of these communities that were founded by individuals (generally by very successful merchants), many who had quite at least rigid if not out and out weird beliefs and were quite happy to make it clear how their residents should and must live. Two still thriving examples are the villages of Port Sunlight http://www.portsunlight.org.uk/ and Bourneville http://www.bvt.org.uk/indexx.html?ur...storystop.html
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17th June 2005, 06:24 AM	#5
DaChew Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,043	Cool. I'm going to apply to be one of those religious cops like they've got in Saudi Arabia. I mean, somebody's going to have to go on porn raids right?
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17th June 2005, 08:09 AM	#6
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,819	I bet the "catholic purity" of this "community" barely lasts 2 generations.
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17th June 2005, 08:12 AM	#7
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	Quote: Originally posted by Tony I bet the "catholic purity" of this "community" barely lasts 2 generations. You are very optimistic...given human history...not to mention the purity of the Vatican since about day one...
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17th June 2005, 09:34 AM	#8
Orwell Nattering Nabob of Negativism Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,364	Wanna make an easy buck? Open a store on the outskirts of town (just outside their jurisdiction) that sells contraceptives and porn.
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17th June 2005, 09:48 AM	#9
Ed god Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,691	Quote: Originally posted by Orwell Wanna make an easy buck? Open a store on the outskirts of town (just outside their jurisdiction) that sells contraceptives and porn. And dope and inflatable Virgin Mary's.
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17th June 2005, 10:35 AM	#10
sackett Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,659	Around here, we know the pizza king from way back Crazy talk â€” but the craziest part of Monaghanâ€™s speech is yet to come. Dark Age wonâ€™t be just a monastery, he babbles. It will include a cluster of wattle-and-daub huts, built from dung, in which the serfs will be kept confined. "You know theyâ€™ll all be Catholic," Monaghan says threateningly. "Weâ€™re going to control everything, so thereâ€™s not going to be any heresy in this village. Weâ€™re controlling the caste system. The pharmacies are not going to sell anything beyond herbs and dried weeds." A compulsory chapel will be located within walking distance of each hovel. At the grotesque cathedral in the center of town, Mass will be said loudly, seven days a week, from 3 a.m. on. "So," Monaghan concludes, with a glint of mania, "itâ€™ll be a unique patch of misery." As he exits the stage, the applause is non-thunderous.
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17th June 2005, 10:41 AM	#11
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,302	Quote: Originally posted by Tony I bet the "catholic purity" of this "community" barely lasts 2 generations. Especially considering that without contraceptives, the next generation will outnumber their parents by seven to one.
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17th June 2005, 01:26 PM	#12
Mr. Skinny Alien Cryogenic Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,192	Quote: Originally posted by TragicMonkey Especially considering that without contraceptives, the next generation will outnumber their parents by seven to one. Sounds like the German-Catholic farming community my mother grew up in. My mom's sister, who still lives there, has 12 children and 55 grandchildren, and most of them still live in the general area. I'm not sure if George's General store there carries contraceptives or not. Probably not, cause it's right across the street from the Catholic church, but hey, it's the only store in town.
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17th June 2005, 01:39 PM	#13
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	It actually sounds a lot like visiting Spain under Franco...I wonder if they will build in space in the village center for auto de' fes?
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17th June 2005, 03:22 PM	#14
Regnad Kcin Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The ol' Same place Posts: 6,282	Quote: Originally posted by Orwell Wanna make an easy buck? Open a store on the outskirts of town (just outside their jurisdiction) that sells contraceptives and porn. Add to that a delivery service: "To Your Door In 30 Minutes Or Less, Or It's Free!"
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17th June 2005, 05:11 PM	#15
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