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Diamond · 3rd August 2005, 12:44 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4743741.stm

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A prison in Norway has stopped holding yoga classes after it found that instead of calming inmates, they were actually making some more aggressive.

High-security Ringerike jail near Oslo offered the classes to eight inmates on a trial basis earlier this year.

Prison warden Sigbjoern Hagen said some of the inmates became more irritable and agitated and had trouble sleeping.

Color me not surprised.

IllegalArgument · 3rd August 2005, 01:02 PM

Pretty content free article.

Some prisoners get annoying or aggresive when trying to do something requires concentration and disciple. Shrug, what's the big story there.

They probably would have the same reaction to jazzercise.

Neutiquam Erro · 3rd August 2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by IllegalArgument

They probably would have the same reaction to jazzercise.

I know I would!

TobiasTheViking · 3rd August 2005, 02:31 PM

Reminds me of the whole "Watching [something] on telly makes you aggresive".

I have only watched one(1) thing on telly that literally made me aggresive.

It was a show(on Discovery) about watching TV causing people to be aggresive.

And one guy they interviewed was spurting out so much crap that i really did want to beat him up.

If someone else are telling me how i think, and what effects me, in the way that was done in that show, i really can become aggresive. When people are so blindly ignorant as that guy.

And, if i was forced to do Yoga, and the circumstances were really demeaning.. i guess i might become aggresive as well.

Note: i'm a pacifist(or rather, wuzz), and thus wouldn't act on it.. but i could feel it.

Sincerely
Tobias.

Lisa Simpson · 3rd August 2005, 02:39 PM

I'd be pretty grumpy if I did yoga. My body ain't meant to bend like that.

Now I'm waiting for the new thread to start. What will it be?

The dark side of Yoda?

The dark side of yogurt?

The dark side of yo-yos?

What will it be, what will it be?

CaveDave · 3rd August 2005, 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by IllegalArgument
They probably would have the same reaction to jazzercise.

Just hearing the word raises my hackles.

Dave

Jyera · 4th August 2005, 12:59 AM

I'm not surprised.
But this is a very good demostration of the power of simple exercise if done right.

It depends on what you want it to mean by "less aggressive".
But do they seriously expects yoga to make the people "dumb, passive, weak-minded"? (so that they can control the inmates)?

I'm very interested to know what was the original objective set out by the prison, when they introduced the Yoga trial.

I have not done yoga. But have done and learn about another type of exercise called braingym. And I do think I understand how "Yoga" might work to change the way inmates think.

I suggest that, in actual fact "yoga", do not make you dumb.
It makes your brain more active and be able to think.
More specifically, it has potential to allow better control of your overall emotion. Better control can mean more control or less control depends on your needs.

Control need not means No aggression. A very passive guy need to be more assertive, not less.

Perhaps, after the exercises, the more passive inmates may have rationalised that he SHOULD be angry about certain situations.
And perhaps even be motivated enough to take the action he deemed necessary. Thus labelled as more aggressive.

If the right exercise can make you more sober....
And if you had been drowning your sorrow. And then suddenly, made sober, won't it makes you more troubled rather than less?
I'm not suggesting we should dumb down the inmates.

The Prison stated realistically that they do not have resources to treat the emotonal release. And so, they have not rule out the lack of potency of "yoga".

Fair and fine if they have financial constraint.
But aren't they missing the chance to tackle the root of the inmates' emotional problem ? Aren't they abandoning the inmates after awakening their awakeness of their problems?

They mentioned that
"The yoga group expressed surprise at the prison's findings."
But it did not indicate clearly who is the yoga group?
Is it the inmates who participated? The designer of the exercises?

SixSixSix · 4th August 2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by Lisa Simpson
Now I'm waiting for the new thread to start. What will it be?

Damn, you beat me to it.

I was all set to do this great post about how I had misread the title of the thread, and came here expecting to see evidence that our little green friend had been throwing lightning bolts and getting jiggy with the bad midichlorians. It would have been incredibly humorous. Songs would have been sung praising my wit. The laughter it would have generated would have ended war, and caused rich corporations to deploy their resources to feed the hungry and provide homes for the homeless. The world would have entered a golden age.

But there's no point to it now. You've spoiled it.

Kiless · 4th August 2005, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by SixSixSix
But there's no point to it now. You've spoiled it.

Never mind, dear. I've defrosted dinner for you.

3rd August 2005, 12:44 PM	#1
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3rd August 2005, 02:31 PM	#4
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Reminds me of the whole "Watching [something] on telly makes you aggresive". I have only watched one(1) thing on telly that literally made me aggresive. It was a show(on Discovery) about watching TV causing people to be aggresive. And one guy they interviewed was spurting out so much crap that i really did want to beat him up. If someone else are telling me how i think, and what effects me, in the way that was done in that show, i really can become aggresive. When people are so blindly ignorant as that guy. And, if i was forced to do Yoga, and the circumstances were really demeaning.. i guess i might become aggresive as well. Note: i'm a pacifist(or rather, wuzz), and thus wouldn't act on it.. but i could feel it. Sincerely Tobias.
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3rd August 2005, 02:39 PM	#5
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,111	I'd be pretty grumpy if I did yoga. My body ain't meant to bend like that. Now I'm waiting for the new thread to start. What will it be? The dark side of Yoda? The dark side of yogurt? The dark side of yo-yos? What will it be, what will it be?
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3rd August 2005, 11:47 PM	#6
CaveDave Semicentenarian Troglodyte Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Buddy Holly's home, Surrounded by tumbleweeds, duststorms, and tornados. Posts: 1,760	Quote: Originally posted by IllegalArgument They probably would have the same reaction to jazzercise. Just hearing the word raises my hackles. Dave
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3rd August 2005, 01:02 PM	#2
IllegalArgument Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Reston, VA Posts: 1,761	Pretty content free article. Some prisoners get annoying or aggresive when trying to do something requires concentration and disciple. Shrug, what's the big story there. They probably would have the same reaction to jazzercise.

4th August 2005, 12:59 AM	#7
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736	Re: The Dark Side of Yoga I'm not surprised. But this is a very good demostration of the power of simple exercise if done right. It depends on what you want it to mean by "less aggressive". But do they seriously expects yoga to make the people "dumb, passive, weak-minded"? (so that they can control the inmates)? I'm very interested to know what was the original objective set out by the prison, when they introduced the Yoga trial. I have not done yoga. But have done and learn about another type of exercise called braingym. And I do think I understand how "Yoga" might work to change the way inmates think. I suggest that, in actual fact "yoga", do not make you dumb. It makes your brain more active and be able to think. More specifically, it has potential to allow better control of your overall emotion. Better control can mean more control or less control depends on your needs. Control need not means No aggression. A very passive guy need to be more assertive, not less. Perhaps, after the exercises, the more passive inmates may have rationalised that he SHOULD be angry about certain situations. And perhaps even be motivated enough to take the action he deemed necessary. Thus labelled as more aggressive. If the right exercise can make you more sober.... And if you had been drowning your sorrow. And then suddenly, made sober, won't it makes you more troubled rather than less? I'm not suggesting we should dumb down the inmates. The Prison stated realistically that they do not have resources to treat the emotonal release. And so, they have not rule out the lack of potency of "yoga". Fair and fine if they have financial constraint. But aren't they missing the chance to tackle the root of the inmates' emotional problem ? Aren't they abandoning the inmates after awakening their awakeness of their problems? They mentioned that "The yoga group expressed surprise at the prison's findings." But it did not indicate clearly who is the yoga group? Is it the inmates who participated? The designer of the exercises?
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4th August 2005, 01:40 AM	#8
SixSixSix Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 456	Quote: Originally posted by Lisa Simpson Now I'm waiting for the new thread to start. What will it be? Damn, you beat me to it. I was all set to do this great post about how I had misread the title of the thread, and came here expecting to see evidence that our little green friend had been throwing lightning bolts and getting jiggy with the bad midichlorians. It would have been incredibly humorous. Songs would have been sung praising my wit. The laughter it would have generated would have ended war, and caused rich corporations to deploy their resources to feed the hungry and provide homes for the homeless. The world would have entered a golden age. But there's no point to it now. You've spoiled it.
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4th August 2005, 01:54 AM	#9
Kiless Guest Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,103	Quote: Originally posted by SixSixSix But there's no point to it now. You've spoiled it. Never mind, dear. I've defrosted dinner for you.
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