"The Mothman Prophesies"

Brown · 20th April 2003, 05:58 PM

I just saw "The Mothman Prophesies" on HBO. What a load! It had a few good moments, but the premise of the movie made no sense to me at all. At one point, the movie even apologized for the lack of rationality of the story (from imdb.com):

Quote:

John Klein: I think we can assume that these entities are more advanced than us. Why don't they just come right out and tell us what's on their minds?
Alexander Leek: You're more advanced than a cockroach, have you ever tried explaining yourself to one of them?

Oh, come on! "Mothman" Indrid Cold seemed to have no trouble communicating with Richard Gere's character, and even spoke his language. And yet, all this weird stuff happened with no apparent point to it.

The opening of the movie sugested that the story was true, but the credits said that the story was fictional. It certainly looked like fiction to me, and badly written fiction at that.

tamiO · 21st April 2003, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown
The opening of the movie sugested that the story was true, but the credits said that the story was fictional. It certainly looked like fiction to me, and badly written fiction at that.

Hi Brown,

I was a bit disappointed in the movie, it was okay. Maybe Richard Gere starring in it didn't help. The movie was based on a real "event"...

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For a thirteen month period from November 1966 until December 1967, the town of Point Pleasant, West Virginia, USA was seemingly tipped into a state of chaos (or, if you like, a 'state o' chassis!'[1]), overrun by UFOs, poltergeists, Men in Black in beyond-fashion-clothing driving impeccable old cars and fake service workers -- both groups had dark, sharp features, and wearing thick soled rubber shoes. If that wasn't bad enough, a surrealist abbatoirist left cattle cadavers strewn about the fields of Point Pleasant.

The appearance of all these phenomena appeared to revolve around regular sightings of the more fearsome visitor of all - a winged humanoid that quickly became known as the 'Mothman'.

http://www.blather.net/archives2/issue2no5.html

arcticpenguin · 21st April 2003, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown

The opening of the movie sugested that the story was true, but the credits said that the story was fictional. It certainly looked like fiction to me, and badly written fiction at that.

Do you recall the specific wording? They probably said it was "based on" true events.

tim · 22nd April 2003, 11:33 PM

Out of ten? -7.

tygirwulf · 23rd April 2003, 06:19 AM

But the bridge collapsing at the end, that really happened, didn't it? I remember looking it up after I saw the movie. About the only thing in the movie that was real.

arcticpenguin · 23rd April 2003, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by tygirwulf
But the bridge collapsing at the end, that really happened, didn't it? I remember looking it up after I saw the movie. About the only thing in the movie that was real.

Yes, a bridge actually collapsed. Here's a complete listing of evidence linking the bridge collapse to the nighttime sightings of an unknown critter:

24th April 2003, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tygirwulf
But the bridge collapsing at the end, that really happened, didn't it? I remember looking it up after I saw the movie. About the only thing in the movie that was real.

The earthquake in Ecuador was real too.

Thanks,
S&S

P.S.

Ciudad blanca?

RonSceptic · 7th October 2003, 05:49 AM

Sorry to come late to the party, but I saw the movie for the first (and last) time last night. Complete pants. As fiction it stank IMHO. But the crap at the beginning about 'real events' is about the least plausible thing seen on a movie screen since Criswell's intro to Plan 9 from Outer Space.

I see that the author of The Mothman Prophesies, John Keel, also penned those magnificent factual works 'The Complete Guide to Mystical Beings' and 'Our Haunted Planet'. All true obviously.

Yahweh · 8th October 2003, 08:06 PM

Wow, my taste in movies must be terrible...

I dont really care about the historical accuracy of the movie, but it was an interesting psychological "thriller" (not really a thriller, the movie was pretty slowpaced). The movie scared the hellouttame (I have some kind of irrational fear of... I dont need to explain myself), I didnt sleep for days (if you know me in person, you are probably thinking to yourself "so what, you dont ever sleep"...). On a scale of 1 to 10, I give the movie a rating of "good".

I suppose yall are going to go ahead and tell me "The Ring" was a crappy movie also.

UnrepentantSinner · 8th October 2003, 10:51 PM

Good timing on the bump. I think it's getting close to time for the 2nd annual Mothman Festival.
http://sundaygazettemail.com/news/Va...te/2002111622/

RonSceptic · 9th October 2003, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
Good timing on the bump. I think it's getting close to time for the 2nd annual Mothman Festival.
http://sundaygazettemail.com/news/Va...te/2002111622/

I sense another 'Roswell' here. No doubt there will be a Mothman museum soon. Do they have the Mothman cafe or the Mothman burger bar yet?

tim · 9th October 2003, 01:31 AM

Mothburgertm, fries and a diet coke, please!

RonSceptic · 9th October 2003, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tim
Mothburgertm, fries and a diet coke, please!

You want to go large? Try our Butterfly Burger.

Brown · 9th October 2003, 08:47 AM

How long before we hear about Mothman fighting crime, with his dynamic sidekick, Gnat? SWAT! SLAP! SQUISH! Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, MOTHMAN!

fhios · 9th October 2003, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown
The opening of the movie sugested that the story was true, but the credits said that the story was fictional. It certainly looked like fiction to me, and badly written fiction at that.

I just want to point out that, according to The Fortean Times, John Keel, the suppossed contactee of Indrid Cold, was an alchoholic, and said that the people of Cold's planet, that being Venus, did not face a boiling, high-pressure atmosphere of corrosives, but instead lived in the nude, playing a game much like baseball and drinking decaffeinated coffee. All of these things ignored even the scientific data of Keel's own time, and now they're just laughable.

By the way, I really thought the flick was very well-written, if nothing else. The scene where Indrid Cold kept calling and calling; in a cheapie flick, people would've assumed it was genius.

JamesM · 10th October 2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by fhios

I just want to point out that, according to The Fortean Times, John Keel, the suppossed contactee of Indrid Cold, was an alchoholic, and said that the people of Cold's planet, that being Venus, did not face a boiling, high-pressure atmosphere of corrosives, but instead lived in the nude, playing a game much like baseball and drinking decaffeinated coffee. All of these things ignored even the scientific data of Keel's own time, and now they're just laughable.

Keel himself recognised the absurdities and lies that both he and others caught up in the madness of Mothman were being fed. He did not believe himself that Cold came from Venus. He came to believe that someone or something was messing around with him, hence his conception of 'ultraterrestrials'. I wouldn't say this is necessarily a more useful or probable explanation, but it is a lot more interesting.

That's the pleasure of 'The Mothman Prophecies', it's one big cavalcade of bad craziness. It can't be pigeonholed into the usual categories of the supernatural (apart from that of BS, but that misses the fun) - it's the quintessential 'high strangeness' case. You leave your skepticism at the door and just soak it up. Great stuff.

RonSceptic · 10th October 2003, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JamesM
You leave your skepticism at the door and just soak it up. Great stuff.

The trouble is that presenting a movie as 'based on true events' just adds to the perception of the general public that there really is something to the paranormal, when reality tells us otherwise.

UnrepentantSinner · 11th October 2003, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brown
How long before we hear about Mothman fighting crime, with his dynamic sidekick, Gnat? SWAT! SLAP! SQUISH! Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, MOTHMAN!

Actually, this idea has already been done.
http://www.cs.rose-hulman.edu/~stine...cs/sharth.html

Bluegill · 14th October 2003, 06:14 AM

I finally was this on cable a few weeks ago. I was hoping for a good creepy movie, but I ended up getting a bit bored and frustrated with it, and never finished watching it.

One thing I didn't like was the quick-flashing scenes where people catch site of the Mothman, then solemnly told about their experiences later. It just didn't work for me. It had too much of an engineered quality, like it was some Hollywood person's idea of how to convey the idea of "scariness" without actually scaring the audience.

By the way, Yahweh, I thought "The Ring" was miles better.

Checkmite · 14th October 2003, 09:39 AM

The "true" event Prophecies was based on was the collapse of the Silver Bridge in the Ohio River at Point Pleasant in 1967. A number of people were killed. The Bride collapse had been preceeded by alleged sightings of the "Mothman", which (judging by peoples' descriptions) should've been more aptly called "Rugman". Imagine a guy walking around with a carpet draped over himself - that's what he supposedly looked like. He showed up in peoples' driveways just as they pulled in at night, scaring them off, or flew out of the sky at people as they were driving along in the dark. There were reports of bizarre phone malfunctions and harassing calls which consisted of gibberish, or a string of words that didn't fit together. This went on for about 8 months - the sightings, that is - and culminated in the bridge collapse, after which the Mothman was never seen again in Point Pleasant or anywhere else. Insert post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy here and it becomes "obvious" that the Mothman was either responsible for or trying to warn people about the bridge collapse. That's the totality of the legend.

All Keel's additions about "men in black", UFOs, poltergeists, "contactees", coherent messages from the Mothman, the movie's end card speaking of Mothman "continuing to be sighted around the world", and other such drivel are all fictional (I use the word "fictional" relatively - they weren't part of the original legend).

As for the movie, I was rather disappointed in it as well. It did have its interesting parts, of course; my favorite is when Richard Gere's character is in the hospital collecting his wife's things after her death. An orderly appears and tells him "She knew (she was going to die), she was drawing angels." Richard Gere looks through his wife's notebook and finds sketches of the Mothman...simple at first, but then becoming more detailed and disturbing with each turn of the page. That's atmospheric horror, and it is absolute gold. Some of the witness descriptions are creepy as well - but the movie doesn't have enough of anything between the creepy parts to make it worthwhile. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.

I have my problems with The Ring, but they're off topic here so I won't spend any time on that movie.

20th April 2003, 05:58 PM	#1
Brown Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Twin Cities, Canada Posts: 12,145	"The Mothman Prophesies" I just saw "The Mothman Prophesies" on HBO. What a load! It had a few good moments, but the premise of the movie made no sense to me at all. At one point, the movie even apologized for the lack of rationality of the story (from imdb.com): Quote: John Klein: I think we can assume that these entities are more advanced than us. Why don't they just come right out and tell us what's on their minds? Alexander Leek: You're more advanced than a cockroach, have you ever tried explaining yourself to one of them? Oh, come on! "Mothman" Indrid Cold seemed to have no trouble communicating with Richard Gere's character, and even spoke his language. And yet, all this weird stuff happened with no apparent point to it. The opening of the movie sugested that the story was true, but the credits said that the story was fictional. It certainly looked like fiction to me, and badly written fiction at that.
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21st April 2003, 06:17 AM	#2
tamiO Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,287	Re: "The Mothman Prophesies" Quote: Originally posted by Brown The opening of the movie sugested that the story was true, but the credits said that the story was fictional. It certainly looked like fiction to me, and badly written fiction at that. Hi Brown, I was a bit disappointed in the movie, it was okay. Maybe Richard Gere starring in it didn't help. The movie was based on a real "event"... Quote: For a thirteen month period from November 1966 until December 1967, the town of Point Pleasant, West Virginia, USA was seemingly tipped into a state of chaos (or, if you like, a 'state o' chassis!'[1]), overrun by UFOs, poltergeists, Men in Black in beyond-fashion-clothing driving impeccable old cars and fake service workers -- both groups had dark, sharp features, and wearing thick soled rubber shoes. If that wasn't bad enough, a surrealist abbatoirist left cattle cadavers strewn about the fields of Point Pleasant. The appearance of all these phenomena appeared to revolve around regular sightings of the more fearsome visitor of all - a winged humanoid that quickly became known as the 'Mothman'. http://www.blather.net/archives2/issue2no5.html
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21st April 2003, 06:38 AM	#3
arcticpenguin woo ban clan Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,717	Re: "The Mothman Prophesies" Quote: Originally posted by Brown The opening of the movie sugested that the story was true, but the credits said that the story was fictional. It certainly looked like fiction to me, and badly written fiction at that. Do you recall the specific wording? They probably said it was "based on" true events.
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22nd April 2003, 11:33 PM	#4
tim Lasiorhinus latifrons Combat Division Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bedfordshire, UK Posts: 11,329	Out of ten? -7.
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23rd April 2003, 06:19 AM	#5
tygirwulf Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 371	But the bridge collapsing at the end, that really happened, didn't it? I remember looking it up after I saw the movie. About the only thing in the movie that was real.
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23rd April 2003, 08:12 AM	#6
arcticpenguin woo ban clan Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,717	Quote: Originally posted by tygirwulf But the bridge collapsing at the end, that really happened, didn't it? I remember looking it up after I saw the movie. About the only thing in the movie that was real. Yes, a bridge actually collapsed. Here's a complete listing of evidence linking the bridge collapse to the nighttime sightings of an unknown critter:
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7th October 2003, 05:49 AM	#8
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Sorry to come late to the party, but I saw the movie for the first (and last) time last night. Complete pants. As fiction it stank IMHO. But the crap at the beginning about 'real events' is about the least plausible thing seen on a movie screen since Criswell's intro to Plan 9 from Outer Space. I see that the author of The Mothman Prophesies, John Keel, also penned those magnificent factual works 'The Complete Guide to Mystical Beings' and 'Our Haunted Planet'. All true obviously.
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8th October 2003, 08:06 PM	#9
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	Wow, my taste in movies must be terrible... I dont really care about the historical accuracy of the movie, but it was an interesting psychological "thriller" (not really a thriller, the movie was pretty slowpaced). The movie scared the hellouttame (I have some kind of irrational fear of... I dont need to explain myself), I didnt sleep for days (if you know me in person, you are probably thinking to yourself "so what, you dont ever sleep"...). On a scale of 1 to 10, I give the movie a rating of "good". I suppose yall are going to go ahead and tell me "The Ring" was a crappy movie also.
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8th October 2003, 10:51 PM	#10
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,351	Good timing on the bump. I think it's getting close to time for the 2nd annual Mothman Festival. http://sundaygazettemail.com/news/Va...te/2002111622/
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9th October 2003, 12:54 AM	#11
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner Good timing on the bump. I think it's getting close to time for the 2nd annual Mothman Festival. http://sundaygazettemail.com/news/Va...te/2002111622/ I sense another 'Roswell' here. No doubt there will be a Mothman museum soon. Do they have the Mothman cafe or the Mothman burger bar yet?
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9th October 2003, 01:31 AM	#12
tim Lasiorhinus latifrons Combat Division Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bedfordshire, UK Posts: 11,329	Mothburgertm, fries and a diet coke, please!
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9th October 2003, 05:23 AM	#13
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Quote: Originally posted by tim Mothburgertm, fries and a diet coke, please! You want to go large? Try our Butterfly Burger.
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9th October 2003, 08:47 AM	#14
Brown Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Twin Cities, Canada Posts: 12,145	How long before we hear about Mothman fighting crime, with his dynamic sidekick, Gnat? SWAT! SLAP! SQUISH! Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, MOTHMAN!
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9th October 2003, 10:22 PM	#15
fhios Scholar Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 61	Re: "The Mothman Prophesies" Quote: Originally posted by Brown The opening of the movie sugested that the story was true, but the credits said that the story was fictional. It certainly looked like fiction to me, and badly written fiction at that. I just want to point out that, according to The Fortean Times, John Keel, the suppossed contactee of Indrid Cold, was an alchoholic, and said that the people of Cold's planet, that being Venus, did not face a boiling, high-pressure atmosphere of corrosives, but instead lived in the nude, playing a game much like baseball and drinking decaffeinated coffee. All of these things ignored even the scientific data of Keel's own time, and now they're just laughable. By the way, I really thought the flick was very well-written, if nothing else. The scene where Indrid Cold kept calling and calling; in a cheapie flick, people would've assumed it was genius.
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10th October 2003, 02:04 AM	#16
JamesM Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,823	Re: Re: "The Mothman Prophesies" Quote: Originally posted by fhios I just want to point out that, according to The Fortean Times, John Keel, the suppossed contactee of Indrid Cold, was an alchoholic, and said that the people of Cold's planet, that being Venus, did not face a boiling, high-pressure atmosphere of corrosives, but instead lived in the nude, playing a game much like baseball and drinking decaffeinated coffee. All of these things ignored even the scientific data of Keel's own time, and now they're just laughable. Keel himself recognised the absurdities and lies that both he and others caught up in the madness of Mothman were being fed. He did not believe himself that Cold came from Venus. He came to believe that someone or something was messing around with him, hence his conception of 'ultraterrestrials'. I wouldn't say this is necessarily a more useful or probable explanation, but it is a lot more interesting. That's the pleasure of 'The Mothman Prophecies', it's one big cavalcade of bad craziness. It can't be pigeonholed into the usual categories of the supernatural (apart from that of BS, but that misses the fun) - it's the quintessential 'high strangeness' case. You leave your skepticism at the door and just soak it up. Great stuff.
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10th October 2003, 05:06 AM	#17
RonSceptic Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 514	Re: Re: Re: "The Mothman Prophesies" Quote: Originally posted by JamesM You leave your skepticism at the door and just soak it up. Great stuff. The trouble is that presenting a movie as 'based on true events' just adds to the perception of the general public that there really is something to the paranormal, when reality tells us otherwise.
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11th October 2003, 10:57 PM	#18
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,351	Quote: Originally posted by Brown How long before we hear about Mothman fighting crime, with his dynamic sidekick, Gnat? SWAT! SLAP! SQUISH! Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, MOTHMAN! Actually, this idea has already been done. http://www.cs.rose-hulman.edu/~stine...cs/sharth.html
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14th October 2003, 06:14 AM	#19
Bluegill Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Louisville Posts: 1,188	I finally was this on cable a few weeks ago. I was hoping for a good creepy movie, but I ended up getting a bit bored and frustrated with it, and never finished watching it. One thing I didn't like was the quick-flashing scenes where people catch site of the Mothman, then solemnly told about their experiences later. It just didn't work for me. It had too much of an engineered quality, like it was some Hollywood person's idea of how to convey the idea of "scariness" without actually scaring the audience. By the way, Yahweh, I thought "The Ring" was miles better.

14th October 2003, 09:39 AM	#20
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,879	The "true" event Prophecies was based on was the collapse of the Silver Bridge in the Ohio River at Point Pleasant in 1967. A number of people were killed. The Bride collapse had been preceeded by alleged sightings of the "Mothman", which (judging by peoples' descriptions) should've been more aptly called "Rugman". Imagine a guy walking around with a carpet draped over himself - that's what he supposedly looked like. He showed up in peoples' driveways just as they pulled in at night, scaring them off, or flew out of the sky at people as they were driving along in the dark. There were reports of bizarre phone malfunctions and harassing calls which consisted of gibberish, or a string of words that didn't fit together. This went on for about 8 months - the sightings, that is - and culminated in the bridge collapse, after which the Mothman was never seen again in Point Pleasant or anywhere else. Insert post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy here and it becomes "obvious" that the Mothman was either responsible for or trying to warn people about the bridge collapse. That's the totality of the legend. All Keel's additions about "men in black", UFOs, poltergeists, "contactees", coherent messages from the Mothman, the movie's end card speaking of Mothman "continuing to be sighted around the world", and other such drivel are all fictional (I use the word "fictional" relatively - they weren't part of the original legend). As for the movie, I was rather disappointed in it as well. It did have its interesting parts, of course; my favorite is when Richard Gere's character is in the hospital collecting his wife's things after her death. An orderly appears and tells him "She knew (she was going to die), she was drawing angels." Richard Gere looks through his wife's notebook and finds sketches of the Mothman...simple at first, but then becoming more detailed and disturbing with each turn of the page. That's atmospheric horror, and it is absolute gold. Some of the witness descriptions are creepy as well - but the movie doesn't have enough of anything between the creepy parts to make it worthwhile. I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. I have my problems with The Ring, but they're off topic here so I won't spend any time on that movie.
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