Grinberg-Zylberbaum experiment

SGT · 10th October 2005, 09:54 AM

In another forum a believer has cited the Grinberg-Zylberbaum experiment, whose purpose was to determine whether visual evoked potentials generated in one human brain by photostimulation could generate a correlated EEG signal in the brain of another human subject who is located at a distance and who is not visually stimulated.
- http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00029978
- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=14640097
- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15165411
- http://www.bastyr.edu/admissions/upd...001.asp?jump=3
Googling only provided confirmation of the studies. Can any of you provide convincing contrary arguments?

Bodhi Dharma Zen · 10th October 2005, 10:15 AM

Wow.

Now, this is a difficult one for me, because I was personally involved. Yes, I worked at the lab with him. I have been doing other things in the past 11 years, and it still amazes me when I see the experiment is still being replicated. We did it back at the beginning of the 90s.

As for the results, my personal opinion is that they were not conclusive. I have to state, again, that this is my personal opinion, which might be very different from the others implicated in the experiment.

Oh, and just the first link works.

Speldosa · 3rd June 2010, 04:31 AM

Sorry for bumping this really old thread, but does anybody have this article and would be able to send it to me? I've been searching high and low for it. Even the staff at the University Library of my school can't seem to get hold of it.

Bodhi Dharma Zen · 14th July 2010, 10:05 AM

I don't believe it is online, but you can find it here:

Grinberg-Zulberbaum J, Delaflor J, Attie L, Goswami L. The Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox in the brain: The transferred potential. Physics Essays 1994, 7(4), 422-428.

What do you want to know?

Speldosa · 19th July 2010, 05:27 AM

Thank you for your reply. I've finally managed to get hold off it by ordering it fro a library above the polar circle in Norway

Var1able · 19th July 2010, 06:41 AM

From what I read the occurance of a positive result was roughly 1 in 4, which is nothing new.

10th October 2005, 09:54 AM	#1
SGT Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rio de Janeiro Posts: 345	Grinberg-Zylberbaum experiment In another forum a believer has cited the Grinberg-Zylberbaum experiment, whose purpose was to determine whether visual evoked potentials generated in one human brain by photostimulation could generate a correlated EEG signal in the brain of another human subject who is located at a distance and who is not visually stimulated. - http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00029978 - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=14640097 - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15165411 - http://www.bastyr.edu/admissions/upd...001.asp?jump=3 Googling only provided confirmation of the studies. Can any of you provide convincing contrary arguments?
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10th October 2005, 10:15 AM	#2
Bodhi Dharma Zen Advaitin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Here Posts: 3,807	Wow. Now, this is a difficult one for me, because I was personally involved. Yes, I worked at the lab with him. I have been doing other things in the past 11 years, and it still amazes me when I see the experiment is still being replicated. We did it back at the beginning of the 90s. As for the results, my personal opinion is that they were not conclusive. I have to state, again, that this is my personal opinion, which might be very different from the others implicated in the experiment. Oh, and just the first link works.
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3rd June 2010, 04:31 AM	#3
Speldosa New Blood Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3	Sorry for bumping this really old thread, but does anybody have this article and would be able to send it to me? I've been searching high and low for it. Even the staff at the University Library of my school can't seem to get hold of it.
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14th July 2010, 10:05 AM	#4
Bodhi Dharma Zen Advaitin Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Here Posts: 3,807	I don't believe it is online, but you can find it here: Grinberg-Zulberbaum J, Delaflor J, Attie L, Goswami L. The Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox in the brain: The transferred potential. Physics Essays 1994, 7(4), 422-428. What do you want to know?
	__________________ Im too busy living, why waste my time believing? Last edited by Bodhi Dharma Zen; 14th July 2010 at 10:09 AM.

19th July 2010, 05:27 AM	#5
Speldosa New Blood Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 3	Thank you for your reply. I've finally managed to get hold off it by ordering it fro a library above the polar circle in Norway
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19th July 2010, 06:41 AM	#6
Var1able New Blood Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1	From what I read the occurance of a positive result was roughly 1 in 4, which is nothing new.
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