Show me your papers-Miami style

shecky · 30th November 2005, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Miami police announced Monday they will stage random shows of force at hotels, banks and other public places to keep terrorists guessing and remind people to be vigilant.

Deputy Police Chief Frank Fernandez said officers might, for example, surround a bank building, check the IDs of everyone going in and out and hand out leaflets about terror threats.

"This is an in-your-face type of strategy. It's letting the terrorists know we are out there," Fernandez said.

Story here.

I wonder what happens if you refuse to show your ID? Didn't some of the 9/11 hijackers have valid IDs?

Bjorn · 30th November 2005, 07:49 AM

Do you have to carry ID in the US?

Cleon · 30th November 2005, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bjorn

Do you have to carry ID in the US?

Technically, no. Realistically, it's a good idea.

Bjorn · 30th November 2005, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Technically, no. Realistically, it's a good idea.

That might be correct - but what are they going to do with those who don't?

Luke T. · 30th November 2005, 08:05 AM

I would refuse to show my ID just on general principle.

Cleon · 30th November 2005, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Bjorn

That might be correct - but what are they going to do with those who don't?

Probably make their life difficult for a little while; detain them, search them, prevent them from getting to wherever they're going. It would be interesting to see them try to arrest someone for it.

Mephisto · 30th November 2005, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by shecky

I wonder what happens if you refuse to show your ID? Didn't some of the 9/11 hijackers have valid IDs?

You'll be permanently detained by the Department of Homeland Security until such time that charges can be contrived to connect you to Al Qaeda.

If you think about it, it's an excellent way to combine the war on terror with the war on illegal immigrants - you surround a hotel in Miami asking for ID and you'll probably end up arresting the entire kitchen and housekeeping staff.

I'll bet that they would likely accept a pilot's license as proof of ID - it makes this whole thing taste more like red herring than apple pie!

shecky · 30th November 2005, 08:28 AM

Quote:

they will stage random shows of force at hotels, banks and other public places to keep terrorists guessing and remind people to be vigilant.

And what's with the "random show of force"? Isn't that what terrorists do? Maybe that should read: "they will stage random shows of force at hotels, banks and other public places to keep people guessing and remind terrorists to be vigilant"

Where are all those anti-govt militia nuts from the 90s?

Manny · 30th November 2005, 12:03 PM

See, now I was all ready to be mad at Timoney when the other thread on this subject cites this article, which avers that Miami PD will not be IDing people at random and that even the ACLU is taking a wait-and-see appproach on the plan.

Big, awesome, in-your-face presence = good. Random IDing = bad. So what's the truth in Miami?

And did they get real police cars, or do they zip around town in Ferraris like Crockett and Tubbs?

Grammatron · 30th November 2005, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by manny

See, now I was all ready to be mad at Timoney when the other thread on this subject cites this article, which avers that Miami PD will not be IDing people at random and that even the ACLU is taking a wait-and-see appproach on the plan.

Big, awesome, in-your-face presence = good. Random IDing = bad. So what's the truth in Miami?

And did they get real police cars, or do they zip around town in Ferraris like Crockett and Tubbs?

I think the most, MOST interesting thing is the both articles are credited not only to Associated Press, but the same writer, Curt Anderson! Holly molly.

CFLarsen · 30th November 2005, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

I would refuse to show my ID just on general principle.

Why?

If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for?

Grammatron · 30th November 2005, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Why?

If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for?

Since you are doing nothing wrong CFL, you have nothing to hide, thus you won't mind if we randomely search your property and record your conversations.

Manny · 30th November 2005, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Grammatron

I think the most, MOST interesting thing is the both articles are credited not only to Associated Press, but the same writer, Curt Anderson! Holly molly.

Hmm. Maybe he made a correction in a subsequent version of the story and the Globe didn't pick it up? (The Yahoo story is today's, the Globe's is dated yesterday) I don't recall that the Times (Globe's parent) was especially unfair to Timoney when he was Dpty. Commissioner here.

geni · 30th November 2005, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Why?

If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for?

Well the only ID I carry is incase I decide to drive something (of course insurence issues mean that is somewhat unlikely).

shecky · 30th November 2005, 12:46 PM

Funny. I suppose more cops around the Twin Towers could have stopped those planes.

"Keep people guessing and remind terrorists to be vigilant".

Luke T. · 30th November 2005, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Why?

If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for?

I'll tell you what is isn't for. It isn't for walking down the street or into a bank.

Cleon · 30th November 2005, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Why?

If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for?

An ID is for verifying your identity. You shouldn't have to verify your identity for the "privilege" of walking down the street or going to your place of business.

An ID is necessary to verify your identity to conduct financial transactions. It should not be necessary to verify your identity in order to walk down the street or go to Burger King.

fishbob · 30th November 2005, 01:06 PM

Story time:

Shortly after the Afghanistan invasion started, security was increased on the local Air Force base. I was working on base and went for lunch at the on-base Burger King (not many choices on base for civilians). The kid at the counter with the Burger King uniform had me show ID before he would sell me a Whopper and a Coke.

This ID checking has gone way too far.

Beady · 30th November 2005, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

I'll tell you what is isn't for. It isn't for walking down the street or into a bank.

Or cashing a check, or applying for a job, or...

Grammatron · 30th November 2005, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by fishbob

Story time:

Shortly after the Afghanistan invasion started, security was increased on the local Air Force base. I was working on base and went for lunch at the on-base Burger King (not many choices on base for civilians). The kid at the counter with the Burger King uniform had me show ID before he would sell me a Whopper and a Coke.

This ID checking has gone way too far.

Burger King employee? Don't like it, don't frequent their esteblishment.

Soldiers? Hmmm, gets tricky cause it's "on-base".

Law enforcement doing it off-base? Bad, bad, bad.

Euromutt · 30th November 2005, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for?

Depends on the specific form of ID. The purpose of a driver's license is to allow a law enforcement officer to verify that the operator of a motor vehicle possesses the necessary qualifications to do so legally. The purpose of a military identity document is to verify that the bearer is authorized to be on (a particular area of) a military installation. The purpose of a passport is to prove the identity and nationality of the bearer for the purpose of crossing international borders. The purpose of a permanent resident card (such as the American "green card") is to prove that the bearer is a legally resident alien in the country of issue.

As a legally resident alien in the United States, I am obliged to have my green card in my possession at all times while on US soil. By contrast, I am only legally obliged to have my driver's license on me if I am operating a motor vehicle in public. Within the United States, I am not obliged to carry my passport at all (since while I am a foreign national, I am a legally resident alien).

Luke T. · 30th November 2005, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by shecky

Funny. I suppose more cops around the Twin Towers could have stopped those planes.

More cops on planes could have.

fishbob · 30th November 2005, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Grammatron

Burger King employee? Don't like it, don't frequent their esteblishment.

Soldiers? Hmmm, gets tricky cause it's "on-base".

Law enforcement doing it off-base? Bad, bad, bad.

What? You think that Burger King is doing its part in the war on terror by not selling Whoppers to contractors without ID? After I had to go through security and present ID to get on base to even get to the Burger King? Although, I guess those mustard Whoppers with cheese can be deadly.

Grammatron · 30th November 2005, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by fishbob

What? You think that Burger King is doing its part in the war on terror by not selling Whoppers to contractors without ID? After I had to go through security and present ID to get on base to even get to the Burger King? Although, I guess those mustard Whoppers with cheese can be deadly.

I am not sure what the hell they are doing, I am saying my views on it.

Mephisto · 1st December 2005, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by fishbob

Story time:

Shortly after the Afghanistan invasion started, security was increased on the local Air Force base. I was working on base and went for lunch at the on-base Burger King (not many choices on base for civilians). The kid at the counter with the Burger King uniform had me show ID before he would sell me a Whopper and a Coke.

This ID checking has gone way too far.

I agree, anyone can have a fake ID - and as Bill Mahr pointed out - Bush's own daughters had a fake ID that they used to buy liquor. What makes Homeland Security or all these terrorists-are-in-our-city cops so sure that a terrorist will be identified as such on his ID? Are they just looking for Middle-Eastern sounding names to dig further or are they just pestering people? I'm sure that once all the German tourists get tired of pulling out their ID and quit visiting Florida - they'll change their tune!

Regarding Burger King checking IDs on post, there is a very important reason for this. We don't want just anyone coming in off the street (as though they could on a military installation) buying hamburgers earmarked for our troops! Don't you know there is a war going on? We must conserve our resources lest our soldiers suffer!

moonbeam · 1st December 2005, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by fishbob

Story time:

Shortly after the Afghanistan invasion started, security was increased on the local Air Force base. I was working on base and went for lunch at the on-base Burger King (not many choices on base for civilians). The kid at the counter with the Burger King uniform had me show ID before he would sell me a Whopper and a Coke.

This ID checking has gone way too far.

Maybe they thought you didn't look old enough to drink!

Tmy · 1st December 2005, 07:33 PM

Cripes, I had a fake ID at 17. Unless you are running the ID thru some watchlist database you are accomplishing nothing.

More waste of time/money security bullflop. Like at the airport, when I haev to show my boarding pass every 12 feet.

webfusion · 1st December 2005, 07:59 PM

What's even more troubling is that most Driver's Licenses are available online for viewing (no privacy at all):
http://www.license.shorturl.com

Tmy · 1st December 2005, 08:07 PM

Wow. That sight even has GW's license!

30th November 2005, 07:46 AM	#1
shecky Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: Home of the Homeless Posts: 2,190	Show me your papers-Miami style Quote: Miami police announced Monday they will stage random shows of force at hotels, banks and other public places to keep terrorists guessing and remind people to be vigilant. Deputy Police Chief Frank Fernandez said officers might, for example, surround a bank building, check the IDs of everyone going in and out and hand out leaflets about terror threats. "This is an in-your-face type of strategy. It's letting the terrorists know we are out there," Fernandez said. Story here. I wonder what happens if you refuse to show your ID? Didn't some of the 9/11 hijackers have valid IDs?

30th November 2005, 07:49 AM	#2
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30th November 2005, 07:50 AM	#3
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,536	Originally Posted by Bjorn Do you have to carry ID in the US? Technically, no. Realistically, it's a good idea.
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30th November 2005, 08:02 AM	#4
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Originally Posted by Cleon Technically, no. Realistically, it's a good idea. That might be correct - but what are they going to do with those who don't?
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30th November 2005, 08:06 AM	#6
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,536	Originally Posted by Bjorn That might be correct - but what are they going to do with those who don't? Probably make their life difficult for a little while; detain them, search them, prevent them from getting to wherever they're going. It would be interesting to see them try to arrest someone for it.
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30th November 2005, 08:07 AM	#7
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by shecky I wonder what happens if you refuse to show your ID? Didn't some of the 9/11 hijackers have valid IDs? You'll be permanently detained by the Department of Homeland Security until such time that charges can be contrived to connect you to Al Qaeda. If you think about it, it's an excellent way to combine the war on terror with the war on illegal immigrants - you surround a hotel in Miami asking for ID and you'll probably end up arresting the entire kitchen and housekeeping staff. I'll bet that they would likely accept a pilot's license as proof of ID - it makes this whole thing taste more like red herring than apple pie!
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30th November 2005, 08:28 AM	#8
shecky Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: Home of the Homeless Posts: 2,190	Quote: they will stage random shows of force at hotels, banks and other public places to keep terrorists guessing and remind people to be vigilant. And what's with the "random show of force"? Isn't that what terrorists do? Maybe that should read: "they will stage random shows of force at hotels, banks and other public places to keep people guessing and remind terrorists to be vigilant" Where are all those anti-govt militia nuts from the 90s?

30th November 2005, 12:03 PM	#9
Manny Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,295	See, now I was all ready to be mad at Timoney when the other thread on this subject cites this article, which avers that Miami PD will not be IDing people at random and that even the ACLU is taking a wait-and-see appproach on the plan. Big, awesome, in-your-face presence = good. Random IDing = bad. So what's the truth in Miami? And did they get real police cars, or do they zip around town in Ferraris like Crockett and Tubbs?
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30th November 2005, 12:10 PM	#10
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by manny See, now I was all ready to be mad at Timoney when the other thread on this subject cites this article, which avers that Miami PD will not be IDing people at random and that even the ACLU is taking a wait-and-see appproach on the plan. Big, awesome, in-your-face presence = good. Random IDing = bad. So what's the truth in Miami? And did they get real police cars, or do they zip around town in Ferraris like Crockett and Tubbs? I think the most, MOST interesting thing is the both articles are credited not only to Associated Press, but the same writer, Curt Anderson! Holly molly.
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30th November 2005, 12:22 PM	#11
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,804	Originally Posted by Luke T. I would refuse to show my ID just on general principle. Why? If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for?
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30th November 2005, 12:24 PM	#12
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Why? If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for? Since you are doing nothing wrong CFL, you have nothing to hide, thus you won't mind if we randomely search your property and record your conversations.
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30th November 2005, 12:24 PM	#13
Manny Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,295	Originally Posted by Grammatron I think the most, MOST interesting thing is the both articles are credited not only to Associated Press, but the same writer, Curt Anderson! Holly molly. Hmm. Maybe he made a correction in a subsequent version of the story and the Globe didn't pick it up? (The Yahoo story is today's, the Globe's is dated yesterday) I don't recall that the Times (Globe's parent) was especially unfair to Timoney when he was Dpty. Commissioner here.
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30th November 2005, 12:29 PM	#14
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,578	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Why? If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for? Well the only ID I carry is incase I decide to drive something (of course insurence issues mean that is somewhat unlikely).

30th November 2005, 12:46 PM	#15
shecky Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: Home of the Homeless Posts: 2,190	Funny. I suppose more cops around the Twin Towers could have stopped those planes. "Keep people guessing and remind terrorists to be vigilant".

30th November 2005, 12:51 PM	#16
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Why? If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for? I'll tell you what is isn't for. It isn't for walking down the street or into a bank.
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30th November 2005, 12:58 PM	#17
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,536	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Why? If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for? An ID is for verifying your identity. You shouldn't have to verify your identity for the "privilege" of walking down the street or going to your place of business. An ID is necessary to verify your identity to conduct financial transactions. It should not be necessary to verify your identity in order to walk down the street or go to Burger King.
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30th November 2005, 01:06 PM	#18
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,667	Story time: Shortly after the Afghanistan invasion started, security was increased on the local Air Force base. I was working on base and went for lunch at the on-base Burger King (not many choices on base for civilians). The kid at the counter with the Burger King uniform had me show ID before he would sell me a Whopper and a Coke. This ID checking has gone way too far.
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30th November 2005, 01:13 PM	#19
Beady Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 5,490	Originally Posted by Luke T. I'll tell you what is isn't for. It isn't for walking down the street or into a bank. Or cashing a check, or applying for a job, or...
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30th November 2005, 01:16 PM	#20
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by fishbob Story time: Shortly after the Afghanistan invasion started, security was increased on the local Air Force base. I was working on base and went for lunch at the on-base Burger King (not many choices on base for civilians). The kid at the counter with the Burger King uniform had me show ID before he would sell me a Whopper and a Coke. This ID checking has gone way too far. Burger King employee? Don't like it, don't frequent their esteblishment. Soldiers? Hmmm, gets tricky cause it's "on-base". Law enforcement doing it off-base? Bad, bad, bad.
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30th November 2005, 01:21 PM	#21
Euromutt Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Auburn, WA, USA Posts: 1,094	Originally Posted by CFLarsen If you have an ID, why wouldn't you show it? What else is an ID for? Depends on the specific form of ID. The purpose of a driver's license is to allow a law enforcement officer to verify that the operator of a motor vehicle possesses the necessary qualifications to do so legally. The purpose of a military identity document is to verify that the bearer is authorized to be on (a particular area of) a military installation. The purpose of a passport is to prove the identity and nationality of the bearer for the purpose of crossing international borders. The purpose of a permanent resident card (such as the American "green card") is to prove that the bearer is a legally resident alien in the country of issue. As a legally resident alien in the United States, I am obliged to have my green card in my possession at all times while on US soil. By contrast, I am only legally obliged to have my driver's license on me if I am operating a motor vehicle in public. Within the United States, I am not obliged to carry my passport at all (since while I am a foreign national, I am a legally resident alien).
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30th November 2005, 01:25 PM	#22
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by shecky Funny. I suppose more cops around the Twin Towers could have stopped those planes. More cops on planes could have.
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30th November 2005, 01:31 PM	#23
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,667	Originally Posted by Grammatron Burger King employee? Don't like it, don't frequent their esteblishment. Soldiers? Hmmm, gets tricky cause it's "on-base". Law enforcement doing it off-base? Bad, bad, bad. What? You think that Burger King is doing its part in the war on terror by not selling Whoppers to contractors without ID? After I had to go through security and present ID to get on base to even get to the Burger King? Although, I guess those mustard Whoppers with cheese can be deadly.
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30th November 2005, 01:39 PM	#24
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by fishbob What? You think that Burger King is doing its part in the war on terror by not selling Whoppers to contractors without ID? After I had to go through security and present ID to get on base to even get to the Burger King? Although, I guess those mustard Whoppers with cheese can be deadly. I am not sure what the hell they are doing, I am saying my views on it.
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1st December 2005, 08:09 AM	#25
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by fishbob Story time: Shortly after the Afghanistan invasion started, security was increased on the local Air Force base. I was working on base and went for lunch at the on-base Burger King (not many choices on base for civilians). The kid at the counter with the Burger King uniform had me show ID before he would sell me a Whopper and a Coke. This ID checking has gone way too far. I agree, anyone can have a fake ID - and as Bill Mahr pointed out - Bush's own daughters had a fake ID that they used to buy liquor. What makes Homeland Security or all these terrorists-are-in-our-city cops so sure that a terrorist will be identified as such on his ID? Are they just looking for Middle-Eastern sounding names to dig further or are they just pestering people? I'm sure that once all the German tourists get tired of pulling out their ID and quit visiting Florida - they'll change their tune! Regarding Burger King checking IDs on post, there is a very important reason for this. We don't want just anyone coming in off the street (as though they could on a military installation) buying hamburgers earmarked for our troops! Don't you know there is a war going on? We must conserve our resources lest our soldiers suffer!
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1st December 2005, 07:18 PM	#26
moonbeam Scholar Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 57	Originally Posted by fishbob Story time: Shortly after the Afghanistan invasion started, security was increased on the local Air Force base. I was working on base and went for lunch at the on-base Burger King (not many choices on base for civilians). The kid at the counter with the Burger King uniform had me show ID before he would sell me a Whopper and a Coke. This ID checking has gone way too far. Maybe they thought you didn't look old enough to drink!
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1st December 2005, 07:33 PM	#27
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Cripes, I had a fake ID at 17. Unless you are running the ID thru some watchlist database you are accomplishing nothing. More waste of time/money security bullflop. Like at the airport, when I haev to show my boarding pass every 12 feet.
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1st December 2005, 07:59 PM	#28
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near I-95 Posts: 6,216	OnLine ID What's even more troubling is that most Driver's Licenses are available online for viewing (no privacy at all): http://www.license.shorturl.com

1st December 2005, 08:07 PM	#29
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Wow. That sight even has GW's license!
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