Hurricane Season is Finally Over!

Mephisto · 30th November 2005, 08:55 AM

The US Weather Service declared an official end to hurricane season today, and people in the Gulf States as well as Mexico and Carribean countries are all celebrating. People were reportedly burning hurricane warning flags in the festive environment following a particularly harsh hurricane season.

What I'm wondering is; how can anyone (Ph.Ds in meteorology included) say that there will be no more hurricanes after THIS date? Are they sure Mother Nature got the memo? Is it time to celebrate and let our guard down, or has anyone stopped to think that Mother Nature isn't acting too motherly lately?

Will Dubya declare the "War on Weather" if she doesn't comply?

Manny · 30th November 2005, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

What I'm wondering is; how can anyone (Ph.Ds in meteorology included) say that there will be no more hurricanes after THIS date? Are they sure Mother Nature got the memo? Is it time to celebrate and let our guard down, or has anyone stopped to think that Mother Nature isn't acting too motherly lately?

No guarantees, but they selected the season start and end to cover 97% of previous storms. (cite)

Quote:

Will Dubya declare the "War on Weather" if she doesn't comply?

You're not going to believe this. NOAA has a whole page dedicated to "Why don't we nuke hurricanes?"

Mephisto · 30th November 2005, 09:17 AM

I realize that they're working on previous data, but since this is a record-breaking year in most aspects regarding hurricanes, I think some prudence is in order. I wouldn't be so quick to write off the season just yet - of course, I've never relied on optimism for an outlook.

The link regarding nuking storms was absolutely amazing! I can't believe that anyone who knows anything about nuclear weapons would even consider this. The first "issue" with the suggestion was rightly the radioactive fallout being scattered by the storm.

I find Meterology a really interesting science, and my skepticism wasn't a dig directed at the Weather Service, but more at people who aren't stopping to consider the possibility that they could get caught with their warning flags around their knees.

Meadmaker · 30th November 2005, 09:30 AM

I think all this really means is that if any new storms do develop, they don't get names. I don't even know what comes after "epsilon" anyway.

Mephisto · 30th November 2005, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I think all this really means is that if any new storms do develop, they don't get names. I don't even know what comes after "epsilon" anyway.

I always wondered how that worked. It's too bad, it's kind of politically-incorrect to leave out the Katrina-Come-Latelys.

Bjorn · 30th November 2005, 09:38 AM

As the ocean temperature in the North Atlantic cools down, it becomes almost impossible to fuel a hurricane. Measuring it would probably tell us for certain when the season is "really" over in any year.

Mephisto · 30th November 2005, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Bjorn

As the ocean temperature in the North Atlantic cools down, it becomes almost impossible to fuel a hurricane. Measuring it would probably tell us for certain when the season is "really" over in any year.

Thanks, Bjorn. I'm sure they're keeping track of any fluctuations in the water temperature. I suppose that's food for thought - the effect global warming has on deep sea temperatures and how that could affect the global climate.

Bjorn · 30th November 2005, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Thanks, Bjorn. I'm sure they're keeping track of any fluctuations in the water temperature. I suppose that's food for thought - the effect global warming has on deep sea temperatures and how that could affect the global climate.

I don't want to get into global warming here, but as an old salt I know that for hurricanes to occur, surface ocean temperatures must exceed 80 degrees Fahrenheit - which means that hurricanes are alway occurring in the summer season, whichever ocean. The South Atlantic, e.g., has no hurricanes, because the temperature is never (well, "never") high enough. Luckily, the same applies to San Diego.

geni · 30th November 2005, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Bjorn

I don't want to get into global warming here, but as an old salt I know that for hurricanes to occur, surface ocean temperatures must exceed 80 degrees Fahrenheit - which means that hurricanes are alway occurring in the summer season, whichever ocean. The South Atlantic, e.g., has no hurricanes, because the temperature is never (well, "never") high enough. Luckily, the same applies to San Diego.

Not true. There is one south atlantic hurricane on record and few other tropical storm type things. My understanding is that the reason they don't form is more due to windshear than anything else.

Bjorn · 30th November 2005, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by geni

Not true. There is one south atlantic hurricane on record and few other tropical storm type things. My understanding is that the reason they don't form is more due to windshear than anything else.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Without the necessary ocean surface temperature hurricanes can not form. The ONE hurricane you are referring to was the reason I said (well, "never") - the temperature was certainly higher than usual that year. If you search information about hurricanes and water temperature and come up with something that showes me wrong, I'm happy to read it.

Tmy · 30th November 2005, 02:24 PM

Hurrican season? I hardly noticed I course I was safe in the Northeast blue state safty zone.

You evil red states shouldntve backed Bush, then God woould not have struck you down with Hurricanes.

CapelDodger · 30th November 2005, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

The US Weather Service declared an official end to hurricane season today, and people in the Gulf States as well as Mexico and Carribean countries are all celebrating. People were reportedly burning hurricane warning flags in the festive environment following a particularly harsh hurricane season.

Might we be seeing the birth of a new annual event? A bit close to Thanksgiving in the Gulf States, of course, but given the awesome power of the greeting-card and tourism industries to effect cultural change ... Just a thought, but ... if it happens, remember you heard it here first.

Mephisto · 30th November 2005, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

Might we be seeing the birth of a new annual event? A bit close to Thanksgiving in the Gulf States, of course, but given the awesome power of the greeting-card and tourism industries to effect cultural change ... Just a thought, but ... if it happens, remember you heard it here first.

Just don't wait for Michael Brown to deliver the turkey!

geni · 30th November 2005, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bjorn

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Without the necessary ocean surface temperature hurricanes can not form. The ONE hurricane you are referring to was the reason I said (well, "never") - the temperature was certainly higher than usual that year. If you search information about hurricanes and water temperature and come up with something that showes me wrong, I'm happy to read it.

Well to start with we have tropical storms from other years:

http://www.metoffice.com/sec2/sec2cy...tcimages/Misc/

wikipedia's hurincane fanatics think they have found some more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_A...opical_cyclone

This article thinks that wind shear is the cause of huricane breakup in the south atlantic

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._hurricane.htm

Manny · 30th November 2005, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Just don't wait for Michael Brown to deliver the turkey!

Oh, I dunno. I'd say that of all the people in the world, Michael Brown is exactly the guy to count on to deliver the turkey.

WildCat · 30th November 2005, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tmy

Hurrican season? I hardly noticed I course I was safe in the Northeast blue state safty zone.

You evil red states shouldntve backed Bush, then God woould not have struck you down with Hurricanes.

Hurricanes have hit New England before, Tmy. Don't piss off jeebus!

CapelDodger · 30th November 2005, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by manny

Oh, I dunno. I'd say that of all the people in the world, Michael Brown is exactly the guy to count on to deliver the turkey.

WTF is Michael Brown?

What about cards at the start of the Hurricane Season? We've got a double whammy here. "Hope All Goes Well, Send Photos of Grandchildren Now", then "Glad All Went Well, You Never Call" to the same address if it's still an address.

Then you've got your Start Party - "Hey, we could all be dead soon! Party down!" - and your End Party - "It's Safe, Cheap and Easily Comped! Party down! Please!"

Does the Typhoon Season coincide with the Hurricane Season?

Bjorn · 30th November 2005, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by geni

Well to start with we have tropical storms from other years:

http://www.metoffice.com/sec2/sec2cy...tcimages/Misc/

wikipedia's hurincane fanatics think they have found some more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_A...opical_cyclone

This article thinks that wind shear is the cause of huricane breakup in the south atlantic

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._hurricane.htm

From your first link:

Quote:

The peak in summer/autumn is due to having all of the necessary ingredients become most fa vorable during this time of year: warm ocean waters (at least 26°C or 80°F), a tropical atmosphere that can quite easily kick off convection (i.e. thunderstorms), low vertical shear in the troposphere, and a substantial amount of large-scale spin available (either through the monsoon trough or easterly waves).

geni · 1st December 2005, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Bjorn

From your first link:

So? What evidence do you have that the south atlanticc doesn't reach those tempretures?

a_unique_person · 2nd December 2005, 05:10 PM

Florida PostCard

a_unique_person · 2nd December 2005, 05:20 PM

Not quite over, hurricane Epsilon is just whizzing around right now.

Hutch · 2nd December 2005, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

WTF is Michael Brown?

Mr. Brown was the late and unlamented Director of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) whose only management skills seem to be doing exactly the wrong thing at the precise moment it would show him in the worst light.

At best he was, as Mephisto and Manny note, a Turkey. But now his Goose is Cooked and he's a Dead Duck.

Hutch · 2nd December 2005, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Not quite over, hurricane Epsilon is just whizzing around right now.

WE HAVE OVERTIME!!!

CapelDodger · 3rd December 2005, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Hutch

Mr. Brown was the late and unlamented Director of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) ...

Thanks. Shows just what an unimpression he made on me. I recall the suit but the name and face didn't take.

Skeptic · 4th December 2005, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I always wondered how that worked. It's too bad, it's kind of politically-incorrect to leave out the Katrina-Come-Latelys.

David Irving had recently said, post-Katrina, that he "doesn't understand" why all these Hurricanes have "Aryan" names and we never see a Hurricane named "Chaim".

Nice guy.

Mephisto · 4th December 2005, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

David Irving had recently said, post-Katrina, that he "doesn't understand" why all these Hurricanes have "Aryan" names and we never see a Hurricane named "Chaim".

Nice guy.

Yeah, or Habib, or Pedro, or Lawanda . . .

It might be nice to have the minorities have a go at wreaking havoc for a change.

Hutch · 4th December 2005, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

David Irving had recently said, post-Katrina, that he "doesn't understand" why all these Hurricanes have "Aryan" names and we never see a Hurricane named "Chaim".

Nice guy.

Lets see, on a thread dedicated to and all about Hurricanes, of all topics, you manage to find a way to interject Anti-Semetism to the discussion.

I am really torn between

and

.

I really am.

Tmy · 4th December 2005, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Hurricanes have hit New England before, Tmy. Don't piss off jeebus!

Jeebus loves New England. Thats why he created the Carolinas. To buffer hurricanes before they russel any leaves in harvard square.

Skeptic · 4th December 2005, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Hutch

Lets see, on a thread dedicated to and all about Hurricanes, of all topics, you manage to find a way to interject Anti-Semetism to the discussion.

Maybe it's because David Irving was discussing hurricanes. Just a thought.

Incidentally, on the other side of the idiot-meter, there's that local lawmaker who complained that not enough hurricanes are given "black" names and claimed it was discrimination against black people. I suppose that, using her "logic", the lack of Hurricane Chaim (which would be a cool name for a band, wouldn't it? Hmmmm... "Chaim and the Hurricanes"... OK I digress) is evidence of antisemitism...

Perhaps we should get the two of them together on a talk show about this.

Moderator: "What does the lack of hurricane Chaim mean to you?"
Irving: "Jewish conspiracy!"
Other Idiot: "Antisemitism!"
I: "Conspiracy!"
OI: "Antisemitism!"
I: "Is not!"
OI: "Is too!"

Hutch · 4th December 2005, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Moderator: "What does the lack of hurricane Chaim mean to you?"
Irving: "Jewish conspiracy!"
Other Idiot: "Antisemitism!"
I: "Conspiracy!"
OI: "Antisemitism!"
I: "Is not!"
OI: "Is too!"

Why would I need that when I have the Political Forum here??

Back to the OP, it is still to early to tell if this was a one-off or if the pattern or many and larger hurricanes will continue. And it does matter, it makes a major difference on what the Future of New Orleans will be--was Katrina a one-off, 100-year storm, or can we expect a Level 4 to hit the Gulf States every year for the next 10-12 years? Meteorologists probably cannot say for certain.

Maybe all those psyhics (sic) would care to take a long bet on it.

Bjorn · 4th December 2005, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by geni

So? What evidence do you have that the south atlanticc doesn't reach those tempretures?

I don't, and you were right, areas of the Southern Atlantic reach temperatures above 80.

30th November 2005, 08:55 AM	#1
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Hurricane Season is Finally Over! The US Weather Service declared an official end to hurricane season today, and people in the Gulf States as well as Mexico and Carribean countries are all celebrating. People were reportedly burning hurricane warning flags in the festive environment following a particularly harsh hurricane season. What I'm wondering is; how can anyone (Ph.Ds in meteorology included) say that there will be no more hurricanes after THIS date? Are they sure Mother Nature got the memo? Is it time to celebrate and let our guard down, or has anyone stopped to think that Mother Nature isn't acting too motherly lately? Will Dubya declare the "War on Weather" if she doesn't comply?
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30th November 2005, 09:07 AM	#2
Manny Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,295	Originally Posted by Mephisto What I'm wondering is; how can anyone (Ph.Ds in meteorology included) say that there will be no more hurricanes after THIS date? Are they sure Mother Nature got the memo? Is it time to celebrate and let our guard down, or has anyone stopped to think that Mother Nature isn't acting too motherly lately? No guarantees, but they selected the season start and end to cover 97% of previous storms. (cite) Quote: Will Dubya declare the "War on Weather" if she doesn't comply? You're not going to believe this. NOAA has a whole page dedicated to "Why don't we nuke hurricanes?"
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30th November 2005, 09:17 AM	#3
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Thanks, Manny I realize that they're working on previous data, but since this is a record-breaking year in most aspects regarding hurricanes, I think some prudence is in order. I wouldn't be so quick to write off the season just yet - of course, I've never relied on optimism for an outlook. The link regarding nuking storms was absolutely amazing! I can't believe that anyone who knows anything about nuclear weapons would even consider this. The first "issue" with the suggestion was rightly the radioactive fallout being scattered by the storm. I find Meterology a really interesting science, and my skepticism wasn't a dig directed at the Weather Service, but more at people who aren't stopping to consider the possibility that they could get caught with their warning flags around their knees.
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30th November 2005, 09:30 AM	#4
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,434	I think all this really means is that if any new storms do develop, they don't get names. I don't even know what comes after "epsilon" anyway.
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30th November 2005, 09:33 AM	#5
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I think all this really means is that if any new storms do develop, they don't get names. I don't even know what comes after "epsilon" anyway. I always wondered how that worked. It's too bad, it's kind of politically-incorrect to leave out the Katrina-Come-Latelys.
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30th November 2005, 09:38 AM	#6
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	As the ocean temperature in the North Atlantic cools down, it becomes almost impossible to fuel a hurricane. Measuring it would probably tell us for certain when the season is "really" over in any year.
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30th November 2005, 11:55 AM	#7
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by Bjorn As the ocean temperature in the North Atlantic cools down, it becomes almost impossible to fuel a hurricane. Measuring it would probably tell us for certain when the season is "really" over in any year. Thanks, Bjorn. I'm sure they're keeping track of any fluctuations in the water temperature. I suppose that's food for thought - the effect global warming has on deep sea temperatures and how that could affect the global climate.
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30th November 2005, 01:02 PM	#8
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Originally Posted by Mephisto Thanks, Bjorn. I'm sure they're keeping track of any fluctuations in the water temperature. I suppose that's food for thought - the effect global warming has on deep sea temperatures and how that could affect the global climate. I don't want to get into global warming here, but as an old salt I know that for hurricanes to occur, surface ocean temperatures must exceed 80 degrees Fahrenheit - which means that hurricanes are alway occurring in the summer season, whichever ocean. The South Atlantic, e.g., has no hurricanes, because the temperature is never (well, "never") high enough. Luckily, the same applies to San Diego.
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30th November 2005, 01:06 PM	#9
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,554	Originally Posted by Bjorn I don't want to get into global warming here, but as an old salt I know that for hurricanes to occur, surface ocean temperatures must exceed 80 degrees Fahrenheit - which means that hurricanes are alway occurring in the summer season, whichever ocean. The South Atlantic, e.g., has no hurricanes, because the temperature is never (well, "never") high enough. Luckily, the same applies to San Diego. Not true. There is one south atlantic hurricane on record and few other tropical storm type things. My understanding is that the reason they don't form is more due to windshear than anything else.

30th November 2005, 01:51 PM	#10
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Originally Posted by geni Not true. There is one south atlantic hurricane on record and few other tropical storm type things. My understanding is that the reason they don't form is more due to windshear than anything else. I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Without the necessary ocean surface temperature hurricanes can not form. The ONE hurricane you are referring to was the reason I said (well, "never") - the temperature was certainly higher than usual that year. If you search information about hurricanes and water temperature and come up with something that showes me wrong, I'm happy to read it.
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30th November 2005, 02:24 PM	#11
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Hurrican season? I hardly noticed I course I was safe in the Northeast blue state safty zone. You evil red states shouldntve backed Bush, then God woould not have struck you down with Hurricanes.
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30th November 2005, 02:36 PM	#12
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,740	Originally Posted by Mephisto The US Weather Service declared an official end to hurricane season today, and people in the Gulf States as well as Mexico and Carribean countries are all celebrating. People were reportedly burning hurricane warning flags in the festive environment following a particularly harsh hurricane season. Might we be seeing the birth of a new annual event? A bit close to Thanksgiving in the Gulf States, of course, but given the awesome power of the greeting-card and tourism industries to effect cultural change ... Just a thought, but ... if it happens, remember you heard it here first.
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30th November 2005, 03:13 PM	#13
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by CapelDodger Might we be seeing the birth of a new annual event? A bit close to Thanksgiving in the Gulf States, of course, but given the awesome power of the greeting-card and tourism industries to effect cultural change ... Just a thought, but ... if it happens, remember you heard it here first. Just don't wait for Michael Brown to deliver the turkey!
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30th November 2005, 03:24 PM	#14
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,554	Originally Posted by Bjorn I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Without the necessary ocean surface temperature hurricanes can not form. The ONE hurricane you are referring to was the reason I said (well, "never") - the temperature was certainly higher than usual that year. If you search information about hurricanes and water temperature and come up with something that showes me wrong, I'm happy to read it. Well to start with we have tropical storms from other years: http://www.metoffice.com/sec2/sec2cy...tcimages/Misc/ wikipedia's hurincane fanatics think they have found some more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_A...opical_cyclone This article thinks that wind shear is the cause of huricane breakup in the south atlantic http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._hurricane.htm

30th November 2005, 03:25 PM	#15
Manny Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,295	Originally Posted by Mephisto Just don't wait for Michael Brown to deliver the turkey! Oh, I dunno. I'd say that of all the people in the world, Michael Brown is exactly the guy to count on to deliver the turkey.
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30th November 2005, 03:54 PM	#16
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,966	Originally Posted by Tmy Hurrican season? I hardly noticed I course I was safe in the Northeast blue state safty zone. You evil red states shouldntve backed Bush, then God woould not have struck you down with Hurricanes. Hurricanes have hit New England before, Tmy. Don't piss off jeebus!

30th November 2005, 04:37 PM	#17
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,740	Originally Posted by manny Oh, I dunno. I'd say that of all the people in the world, Michael Brown is exactly the guy to count on to deliver the turkey. WTF is Michael Brown? What about cards at the start of the Hurricane Season? We've got a double whammy here. "Hope All Goes Well, Send Photos of Grandchildren Now", then "Glad All Went Well, You Never Call" to the same address if it's still an address. Then you've got your Start Party - "Hey, we could all be dead soon! Party down!" - and your End Party - "It's Safe, Cheap and Easily Comped! Party down! Please!" Does the Typhoon Season coincide with the Hurricane Season?
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30th November 2005, 09:16 PM	#18
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Originally Posted by geni Well to start with we have tropical storms from other years: http://www.metoffice.com/sec2/sec2cy...tcimages/Misc/ wikipedia's hurincane fanatics think they have found some more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_A...opical_cyclone This article thinks that wind shear is the cause of huricane breakup in the south atlantic http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2..._hurricane.htm From your first link: Quote: The peak in summer/autumn is due to having all of the necessary ingredients become most fa vorable during this time of year: warm ocean waters (at least 26°C or 80°F), a tropical atmosphere that can quite easily kick off convection (i.e. thunderstorms), low vertical shear in the troposphere, and a substantial amount of large-scale spin available (either through the monsoon trough or easterly waves).
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1st December 2005, 12:28 AM	#19
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,554	Originally Posted by Bjorn From your first link: So? What evidence do you have that the south atlanticc doesn't reach those tempretures?

2nd December 2005, 05:10 PM	#20
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2nd December 2005, 05:20 PM	#21
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,311	Not quite over, hurricane Epsilon is just whizzing around right now.
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2nd December 2005, 05:27 PM	#22
Hutch A broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's Privateers Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: About 7 Miles from the Saturn 5B Posts: 6,533	Originally Posted by CapelDodger WTF is Michael Brown? Mr. Brown was the late and unlamented Director of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) whose only management skills seem to be doing exactly the wrong thing at the precise moment it would show him in the worst light. At best he was, as Mephisto and Manny note, a Turkey. But now his Goose is Cooked and he's a Dead Duck.
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2nd December 2005, 05:28 PM	#23
Hutch A broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's Privateers Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: About 7 Miles from the Saturn 5B Posts: 6,533	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Not quite over, hurricane Epsilon is just whizzing around right now. WE HAVE OVERTIME!!!
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3rd December 2005, 03:51 PM	#24
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 16,740	Originally Posted by Hutch Mr. Brown was the late and unlamented Director of FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) ... Thanks. Shows just what an unimpression he made on me. I recall the suit but the name and face didn't take.
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4th December 2005, 06:56 AM	#25
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Originally Posted by Mephisto I always wondered how that worked. It's too bad, it's kind of politically-incorrect to leave out the Katrina-Come-Latelys. David Irving had recently said, post-Katrina, that he "doesn't understand" why all these Hurricanes have "Aryan" names and we never see a Hurricane named "Chaim". Nice guy.

4th December 2005, 07:06 AM	#26
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by Skeptic David Irving had recently said, post-Katrina, that he "doesn't understand" why all these Hurricanes have "Aryan" names and we never see a Hurricane named "Chaim". Nice guy. Yeah, or Habib, or Pedro, or Lawanda . . . It might be nice to have the minorities have a go at wreaking havoc for a change.
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4th December 2005, 07:08 AM	#27
Hutch A broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's Privateers Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: About 7 Miles from the Saturn 5B Posts: 6,533	Originally Posted by Skeptic David Irving had recently said, post-Katrina, that he "doesn't understand" why all these Hurricanes have "Aryan" names and we never see a Hurricane named "Chaim". Nice guy. Lets see, on a thread dedicated to and all about Hurricanes, of all topics, you manage to find a way to interject Anti-Semetism to the discussion. I am really torn between and . I really am.
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4th December 2005, 11:23 AM	#28
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Originally Posted by WildCat Hurricanes have hit New England before, Tmy. Don't piss off jeebus! Jeebus loves New England. Thats why he created the Carolinas. To buffer hurricanes before they russel any leaves in harvard square.
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4th December 2005, 01:17 PM	#29
Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Behind the chessboard Posts: 18,361	Originally Posted by Hutch Lets see, on a thread dedicated to and all about Hurricanes, of all topics, you manage to find a way to interject Anti-Semetism to the discussion. Maybe it's because David Irving was discussing hurricanes. Just a thought. Incidentally, on the other side of the idiot-meter, there's that local lawmaker who complained that not enough hurricanes are given "black" names and claimed it was discrimination against black people. I suppose that, using her "logic", the lack of Hurricane Chaim (which would be a cool name for a band, wouldn't it? Hmmmm... "Chaim and the Hurricanes"... OK I digress) is evidence of antisemitism... Perhaps we should get the two of them together on a talk show about this. Moderator: "What does the lack of hurricane Chaim mean to you?" Irving: "Jewish conspiracy!" Other Idiot: "Antisemitism!" I: "Conspiracy!" OI: "Antisemitism!" I: "Is not!" OI: "Is too!"
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4th December 2005, 02:37 PM	#30
Hutch A broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's Privateers Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: About 7 Miles from the Saturn 5B Posts: 6,533	Originally Posted by Skeptic Moderator: "What does the lack of hurricane Chaim mean to you?" Irving: "Jewish conspiracy!" Other Idiot: "Antisemitism!" I: "Conspiracy!" OI: "Antisemitism!" I: "Is not!" OI: "Is too!" Why would I need that when I have the Political Forum here?? Back to the OP, it is still to early to tell if this was a one-off or if the pattern or many and larger hurricanes will continue. And it does matter, it makes a major difference on what the Future of New Orleans will be--was Katrina a one-off, 100-year storm, or can we expect a Level 4 to hit the Gulf States every year for the next 10-12 years? Meteorologists probably cannot say for certain. Maybe all those psyhics (sic) would care to take a long bet on it.
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4th December 2005, 05:24 PM	#31
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Originally Posted by geni So? What evidence do you have that the south atlanticc doesn't reach those tempretures? I don't, and you were right, areas of the Southern Atlantic reach temperatures above 80.
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