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Mephisto · 5th December 2005, 01:34 PM

It's no big secret to anyone who occasionally looks away from whatever issue is being used to (attempt) misdirect our attention, but members of the once pertinent 9/11 Commission have given the Bush administration an "F" in it's promise to begin implementing changes outlined in the Commission's report.

Agencies still aren't cooperating with each other regarding intelligence.

Ports and waterways are still left unprotected.

Nuclear power plants are virtually unprotected.

Chemical plants are virtually unprotected.

and so on and so forth. However, there IS good news - little old ladies can now take fingernail clippers on board an airplane (but they still have to take off their shoes).

Dr Adequate · 5th December 2005, 01:38 PM

On the plus side, you are safe from Saddam's WMDs.

That's how much the administration cares about protecting you from terror.

billydkid · 5th December 2005, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

On the plus side, you are safe from Saddam's WMDs.

That's how much the administration cares about protecting you from terror.

You damn traitor!!! My God (the real one) has special place in hell for treasonous commies like you!!!

demon · 5th December 2005, 01:56 PM

You forgot to mention that Jocko`s buildings are safe

Tmy · 5th December 2005, 02:02 PM

"homeland security" has now become the favorite pork barrel troth of our leaders. If anyone complains about the spending they must be evil commie terrorist lovers!

Tmy · 5th December 2005, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by demon

You forgot to mention that Jocko`s buildings are safe

Oh no it isnt. Ive been planning Jockos death for months now!

Mephisto · 5th December 2005, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tmy

Oh no it isnt. Ive been planning Jockos death for months now!

Be careful, planning Jocko's death or making fun of his car is a violation of warning rule #173.2

DavidJames · 5th December 2005, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Be careful, planning Jocko's death or making fun of his car is a violation of warning rule #173.2

What! You can't threaten to kill people anymore??? ***** nanny state

Tmy · 5th December 2005, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

What! You can't threaten to kill people anymore??? ***** nanny state

Dont worry. Jocko doesnt qualify as "people."

Say, how much do we spend on homeland security anyway?

Melendwyr · 5th December 2005, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Tmy

Dont worry. Jocko doesnt qualify as "people."

Oh, my God. You owe me a new keyboard.

Mephisto · 5th December 2005, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tmy

Dont worry. Jocko doesnt qualify as "people."

Say, how much do we spend on homeland security anyway?

Does it really matter if we're getting quality experts like Michael Brown working on the problem of protecting us all from terrorist acts?

Hutch · 5th December 2005, 04:32 PM

Um, Tmy, you may want to watch it here. Membership rules?

Quote:

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I haven't reported this-but I really suggest you engage editor-mode before hitting submit.

IMHO as always.

Mephisto · 5th December 2005, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Hutch

Um, Tmy, you may want to watch it here. Membership rules?

I haven't reported this-but I really suggest you engage editor-mode before hitting submit.

IMHO as always.

I agree with Hutch, Tmy. Although I was a bit sarcastic in my warning above (I've been racking up the warnings today), I was serious. The worst thing is, it's never permissible for a leftist to say, "Ah, we're just a bunch of good ole boys justa funnin." At least that excuse has never worked for me.

I've made the mistake before, and if I remember correctly it involved ***** as well, but JREF is a little more serious lately about banning people.

Mark · 5th December 2005, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by demon

You forgot to mention that Jocko`s buildings are safe

Yeah, but he has steadfastly refused to explain why...

Tmy · 5th December 2005, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I agree with Hutch, Tmy. Although I was a bit sarcastic in my warning above (I've been racking up the warnings today), I was serious. The worst thing is, it's never permissible for a leftist to say, "Ah, we're just a bunch of good ole boys justa funnin." At least that excuse has never worked for me.

I've made the mistake before, and if I remember correctly it involved ***** as well, but JREF is a little more serious lately about banning people.

Settle down Bevis.

Jocko and I go way back. Why Im sure he'll get a good laugh at this....then proceed to cut my break cables.

Mephisto · 5th December 2005, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tmy

Settle down Bevis.

Jocko and I go way back. Why Im sure he'll get a good laugh at this....then proceed to cut my break cables.

Heh, heh, heh, cool. Heh, heh, heh, but if you mess with his car, don't mention my name, heh, heh, heh. I'll be in Anderson's shed if you need me.

Regnad Kcin · 5th December 2005, 08:39 PM

Bush gets an F?

But, but...he's a really good cheerleader! There should be extra credit for extracurriculars, at least!

Blue Monk · 5th December 2005, 09:02 PM

I know this is only antidotal but terrorists hardly ever attack me anymore.

Nowadays I sometimes go for weeks without getting blown up.

Of course moving and not telling my exes where may be skewing the data.

peptoabysmal · 5th December 2005, 09:16 PM

Quote:

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement today on the former 9/11 Commission's report card giving the Bush Administration and Congress a failing grade on implementing the security recommendations in the 9/11 Commission Report:
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=57599

And the actual overall grade? C minus.

I thought the panel's final report was in 2004 and the website frozen. Is this their final-final report or do we have to wait for the final-final-final report?

fishbob · 5th December 2005, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by peptoabysmal

I thought the panel's final report was in 2004 and the website frozen. Is this their final-final report or do we have to wait for the final-final-final report?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/05/911.commission/

This is a report card evaluting the administration on their implementation of the recommendations published in the final report. There is nothing new here except a commentary on the ability of congress and the administration to get up off their ineffectual butts.

Quote:

More than a year after the report's release, response to the panel's recommendations has been inadequate, Kean and other members said.

"On 9/11 [Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda] killed nearly 3,000 of our citizens. Many of the steps we recommen0d would help prevent a disaster from happening again. We should not need another wake-up call."

The panel's report card gave the government 12 B's, 12 D's, nine C's, five F's, one A- and two incompletes. The A- was for tackling terrorism financing; the incompletes were for reforms under way for the CIA director and the terrorist travel strategy, due in two weeks.

clk · 5th December 2005, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by peptoabysmal

And the actual overall grade? C minus.

Just like Bush's grades at Yale, huh?

Mephisto · 6th December 2005, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Bush gets an F?

But, but...he's a really good cheerleader!

Yes, and he continues to rely on Cheerleaderdom to inspire our soliders rather than a solid, viable plan in Iraq as well as American citizens at home concerned about future domestic terrorist actions. So far the best solutions out of Washington are:

2, 4, 6, 8 . . . who do we appreciate . . . our soldiers, our soldiers, YAY!

or

2, 4, 6, 8 . . . who do we appreciate . . . duct tape and plastic wrap . . . YAY!

WildCat · 6th December 2005, 03:48 PM

Wait for those criticizing the gov't in this thread for not implementing the 9/11 panels recommendations to also criticize the gov't when they do implement the recommendations. Probably in a "US no longer land of the free" type of thread. We've already seen a glimpse of it in this thread.

fishbob · 6th December 2005, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Wait for those criticizing the gov't in this thread for not implementing the 9/11 panels recommendations to also criticize the gov't when they do implement the recommendations. Probably in a "US no longer land of the free" type of thread. We've already seen a glimpse of it in this thread.

I am not a big fan of some of the 9/11 commission recommendations, however I did not assemble the commission or make campaign pledges to implement the recommendations. Those who said they would, didn't. What they did do though was to use bazillons of dollars of homeland security funds for business-as-usual pork-barreling.

WildCat · 6th December 2005, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by fishbob

What they did do though was to use bazillons of dollars of homeland security funds for business-as-usual pork-barreling.

I can't disagree there, but can't say I'm surprised either. We're talking about Congress here.

fishbob · 6th December 2005, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

I can't disagree there, but can't say I'm surprised either. We're talking about Congress here.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/05/911.commission/
9/11 panel: Recommendations on U.S. security not being heeded

Looking at the list of recommendations, I see responsibilities assigned to lots of bureaus and agencies in addition to the congress and the executive branch. Either somebody decided that the implementation of the recommendations are not priorities, or much more of government is incompetent than I would have believed.

5th December 2005, 01:34 PM	#1
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Ex-9/11 Commission Gives Bush an F It's no big secret to anyone who occasionally looks away from whatever issue is being used to (attempt) misdirect our attention, but members of the once pertinent 9/11 Commission have given the Bush administration an "F" in it's promise to begin implementing changes outlined in the Commission's report. Agencies still aren't cooperating with each other regarding intelligence. Ports and waterways are still left unprotected. Nuclear power plants are virtually unprotected. Chemical plants are virtually unprotected. and so on and so forth. However, there IS good news - little old ladies can now take fingernail clippers on board an airplane (but they still have to take off their shoes).
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5th December 2005, 01:56 PM	#4
demon Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,744	You forgot to mention that Jocko`s buildings are safe
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5th December 2005, 02:02 PM	#5
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	"homeland security" has now become the favorite pork barrel troth of our leaders. If anyone complains about the spending they must be evil commie terrorist lovers!
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5th December 2005, 02:03 PM	#6
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Originally Posted by demon You forgot to mention that Jocko`s buildings are safe Oh no it isnt. Ive been planning Jockos death for months now!
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5th December 2005, 02:18 PM	#7
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by Tmy Oh no it isnt. Ive been planning Jockos death for months now! Be careful, planning Jocko's death or making fun of his car is a violation of warning rule #173.2
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5th December 2005, 01:38 PM	#2
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	On the plus side, you are safe from Saddam's WMDs. That's how much the administration cares about protecting you from terror.

5th December 2005, 01:51 PM	#3
billydkid Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Blanchester, OH Posts: 4,930	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate On the plus side, you are safe from Saddam's WMDs. That's how much the administration cares about protecting you from terror. You damn traitor!!! My God (the real one) has special place in hell for treasonous commies like you!!!

5th December 2005, 02:35 PM	#8
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,116	Originally Posted by Mephisto Be careful, planning Jocko's death or making fun of his car is a violation of warning rule #173.2 What! You can't threaten to kill people anymore??? ***** nanny state
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5th December 2005, 02:42 PM	#9
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Originally Posted by DavidJames What! You can't threaten to kill people anymore??? ***** nanny state Dont worry. Jocko doesnt qualify as "people." Say, how much do we spend on homeland security anyway?
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5th December 2005, 03:31 PM	#10
Melendwyr Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,064	Originally Posted by Tmy Dont worry. Jocko doesnt qualify as "people." Oh, my God. You owe me a new keyboard.
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5th December 2005, 04:30 PM	#11
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by Tmy Dont worry. Jocko doesnt qualify as "people." Say, how much do we spend on homeland security anyway? Does it really matter if we're getting quality experts like Michael Brown working on the problem of protecting us all from terrorist acts?
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5th December 2005, 04:32 PM	#12
Hutch A broken man on a Halifax pier, the last of Barrett's Privateers Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: About 7 Miles from the Saturn 5B Posts: 6,561	Um, Tmy, you may want to watch it here. Membership rules? Quote: Advocacy of suicide or of violence to others: If you tell someone to kill themselves, or to harm someone else, you will be suspended without prior warning. Example: "Go kill yourself." Sexual harassment: Defined as unwelcome sexual advances, sexual suggestions, or sexual content directed at another user, when reported. Generalized misogyny or misanthropy not directed at a specific user will not be considered "sexual harassment". Extremely cruel or hateful content directed toward another user: This includes content in private messages. I haven't reported this-but I really suggest you engage editor-mode before hitting submit. IMHO as always.
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5th December 2005, 04:58 PM	#13
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by Hutch Um, Tmy, you may want to watch it here. Membership rules? I haven't reported this-but I really suggest you engage editor-mode before hitting submit. IMHO as always. I agree with Hutch, Tmy. Although I was a bit sarcastic in my warning above (I've been racking up the warnings today), I was serious. The worst thing is, it's never permissible for a leftist to say, "Ah, we're just a bunch of good ole boys justa funnin." At least that excuse has never worked for me. I've made the mistake before, and if I remember correctly it involved ***** as well, but JREF is a little more serious lately about banning people.
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5th December 2005, 05:13 PM	#14
Mark Former Spinal Tap Drummer Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,529	Originally Posted by demon You forgot to mention that Jocko`s buildings are safe Yeah, but he has steadfastly refused to explain why...
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5th December 2005, 05:26 PM	#15
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	Originally Posted by Mephisto I agree with Hutch, Tmy. Although I was a bit sarcastic in my warning above (I've been racking up the warnings today), I was serious. The worst thing is, it's never permissible for a leftist to say, "Ah, we're just a bunch of good ole boys justa funnin." At least that excuse has never worked for me. I've made the mistake before, and if I remember correctly it involved ***** as well, but JREF is a little more serious lately about banning people. Settle down Bevis. Jocko and I go way back. Why Im sure he'll get a good laugh at this....then proceed to cut my break cables.
	__________________ "Common sense is something that skeptics can and should do without." -shanek

5th December 2005, 06:00 PM	#16
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by Tmy Settle down Bevis. Jocko and I go way back. Why Im sure he'll get a good laugh at this....then proceed to cut my break cables. Heh, heh, heh, cool. Heh, heh, heh, but if you mess with his car, don't mention my name, heh, heh, heh. I'll be in Anderson's shed if you need me.
	__________________ "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" Mahatma Gandhi

5th December 2005, 08:39 PM	#17
Regnad Kcin Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The ol' Same place Posts: 6,276	Bush gets an F? But, but...he's a really good cheerleader! There should be extra credit for extracurriculars, at least!
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5th December 2005, 09:02 PM	#18
Blue Monk Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,772	I know this is only antidotal but terrorists hardly ever attack me anymore. Nowadays I sometimes go for weeks without getting blown up. Of course moving and not telling my exes where may be skewing the data.
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5th December 2005, 09:16 PM	#19
peptoabysmal Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,468	Quote: House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi released the following statement today on the former 9/11 Commission's report card giving the Bush Administration and Congress a failing grade on implementing the security recommendations in the 9/11 Commission Report: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=57599 And the actual overall grade? C minus. I thought the panel's final report was in 2004 and the website frozen. Is this their final-final report or do we have to wait for the final-final-final report?
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5th December 2005, 10:38 PM	#20
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,670	Originally Posted by peptoabysmal I thought the panel's final report was in 2004 and the website frozen. Is this their final-final report or do we have to wait for the final-final-final report? http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/05/911.commission/ This is a report card evaluting the administration on their implementation of the recommendations published in the final report. There is nothing new here except a commentary on the ability of congress and the administration to get up off their ineffectual butts. Quote: More than a year after the report's release, response to the panel's recommendations has been inadequate, Kean and other members said. "On 9/11 [Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda] killed nearly 3,000 of our citizens. Many of the steps we recommen0d would help prevent a disaster from happening again. We should not need another wake-up call." The panel's report card gave the government 12 B's, 12 D's, nine C's, five F's, one A- and two incompletes. The A- was for tackling terrorism financing; the incompletes were for reforms under way for the CIA director and the terrorist travel strategy, due in two weeks.
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5th December 2005, 10:43 PM	#21
clk Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,329	Originally Posted by peptoabysmal And the actual overall grade? C minus. Just like Bush's grades at Yale, huh?
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6th December 2005, 05:16 AM	#22
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Bush gets an F? But, but...he's a really good cheerleader! Yes, and he continues to rely on Cheerleaderdom to inspire our soliders rather than a solid, viable plan in Iraq as well as American citizens at home concerned about future domestic terrorist actions. So far the best solutions out of Washington are: 2, 4, 6, 8 . . . who do we appreciate . . . our soldiers, our soldiers, YAY! or 2, 4, 6, 8 . . . who do we appreciate . . . duct tape and plastic wrap . . . YAY!
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6th December 2005, 03:48 PM	#23
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,457	Wait for those criticizing the gov't in this thread for not implementing the 9/11 panels recommendations to also criticize the gov't when they do implement the recommendations. Probably in a "US no longer land of the free" type of thread. We've already seen a glimpse of it in this thread.

6th December 2005, 05:00 PM	#24
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,670	Originally Posted by WildCat Wait for those criticizing the gov't in this thread for not implementing the 9/11 panels recommendations to also criticize the gov't when they do implement the recommendations. Probably in a "US no longer land of the free" type of thread. We've already seen a glimpse of it in this thread. I am not a big fan of some of the 9/11 commission recommendations, however I did not assemble the commission or make campaign pledges to implement the recommendations. Those who said they would, didn't. What they did do though was to use bazillons of dollars of homeland security funds for business-as-usual pork-barreling.
	__________________ When you believe in things you don't understand, then you suffer . . . " - Stevie Wonder "Stupidity - a callow indifference to facts or data" - Stuart Firestein -neuroscientist. I hate bigots.

6th December 2005, 05:02 PM	#25
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,457	Originally Posted by fishbob What they did do though was to use bazillons of dollars of homeland security funds for business-as-usual pork-barreling. I can't disagree there, but can't say I'm surprised either. We're talking about Congress here.

6th December 2005, 05:07 PM	#26
fishbob Seasonally Disaffected Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chilly Undieville Posts: 5,670	Originally Posted by WildCat I can't disagree there, but can't say I'm surprised either. We're talking about Congress here. http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/05/911.commission/ 9/11 panel: Recommendations on U.S. security not being heeded Looking at the list of recommendations, I see responsibilities assigned to lots of bureaus and agencies in addition to the congress and the executive branch. Either somebody decided that the implementation of the recommendations are not priorities, or much more of government is incompetent than I would have believed.
	__________________ When you believe in things you don't understand, then you suffer . . . " - Stevie Wonder "Stupidity - a callow indifference to facts or data" - Stuart Firestein -neuroscientist. I hate bigots.