CHRISTIAN FILMS CRAZE out there..

billiefan2000 · 25th September 2002, 03:40 PM

I noticed this at:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47835

and there is a surge of Christian Films such as TIME CHANGER and TRIBULATION FORCE and JONAH and HANGMAN'S CURSE and I was wondering what you think of this sudden CHRISTIAN FILM CRAZE and of:

http://www.onewayfilms.com

a_unique_person · 25th September 2002, 05:02 PM

Billiefan, you won't read this, but I'll say it anyway. Thanks for these posts. They really get me thinking about god and stuff. In about 10,000 years I think they will turn me into a christian.

Mr. Skinny · 25th September 2002, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I noticed this at:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47835

and there is a surge of Christian Films such as TIME CHANGER and TRIBULATION FORCE and JONAH and HANGMAN'S CURSE and I was wondering what you think of this sudden CHRISTIAN FILM CRAZE and of:

http://www.onewayfilms.com

I'd like to know what you think about them first.

25th September 2002, 07:30 PM

Well, it's not "all of a sudden". Religious topics have always figured in Hollywood and other media production centers.

Sure, evangelists and such got some religious fervor going after 9/11, and some loose change found its way into the hands of some production crews.

If only one of them succeeds modestly, it will be claimed that there is a "clear demand" for purely religious content. But this is like predicting "It will rain some time in 2003." If there is a next wave, it will be far bigger budget and will make exactly as much money as the previous, smaller budget film made (if it didn't "suck").

(sarcasm) I'm sure kids will be flooding over the lines of "Harry Potter" and "The Two Towers" to see these gems. Yup. (/sarcasm)

Most of these "masterpieces" are destined for video sale from retail stores, and not destined for more than a brief showing in a few theaters. Shortly after that (assuming they even get big retail chains to buy some stock AND order more), direct-channel/specialty sales. Some of these will never see the silver screen. Like a lot of Disney "Beauty and the Beast Christmas", and "Simba's Pride" sort of junk that attempts to capitalize on a perceived "can't lose" market, and then promptly loses.

Probably even "The Santa Clause II" will beat all of them combined in gross earnings.

Religious parents who shelter their children will certainly shell out the cash in an attempt to divert their children from "evil" films like Potter/LOTR, and make sure that they will only be exposed to the "right" entertainment. Less religious parents will just take their kids to see the movies they want to see. Along with the "sheltered" kids if they manage to tag along.

Crossbow · 26th September 2002, 04:54 AM

Films with religious themes are often produced during times of national crisis.

During the 50's with beginnings of the Cold War, the Korean War, the Red Scare, etc. many big budget religious films were produced. Ten Commandments, Quo Vadis, Ben Hur, The Robe, to name a few.

More recently, with 9/11, the War on Terrorism, and a possible Iraq War, Hollywood is starting to fund more religious films again because they know there is more of a market for these movies at this time.

I hope this helps!

billiefan2000 · 26th September 2002, 08:18 AM

It is common knowledge that Family Films sell better than some of the Hollywood crap out there.

I think is cool to see something films either Family Friendly or have a Religious Theme cause we need something good in these uncertain times.

Lucifuge Rofocale · 26th September 2002, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000

I think is cool to see something films either Family Friendly or have a Religious Theme cause we need something good in these uncertain times.

Huge Non-sequitur

KillerBob · 26th September 2002, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I think is cool to see something films either Family Friendly or have a Religious Theme cause we need something good in these uncertain times.

Yeah, there's nothing more "Family Friendly" or "good" than films about the death, suffering, and destruction of the supposed "end times".

Hellbound · 26th September 2002, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillerBob

Yeah, there's nothing more "Family Friendly" or "good" than films about the death, suffering, and destruction of the supposed "end times".

Or the oft repeated message that we, ourselves, are weak, pathetic, worthless, and hopeless, and the only way to survive/live/be happy is to do exactly what the big giant head tells us.

Hmmm, is it just me, or does that sound like the kidnapped agent plot from "The Agency" last week?

26th September 2002, 11:17 AM

Quote:

It is common knowledge that Family Films sell better than some of the Hollywood crap out there

Define 'Hollywood crap'. Define 'Family Films'.
No, don't bother, you're wrong. totally wrong. However much you would like it to be right. Most of the films you describe are destined for the video bargain bins, being outsold by 'Debbie does Dallas IX'.
FF

ceo_esq · 26th September 2002, 01:13 PM

What I see is not so much a “Christian film craze” as a spike in output, from a limited number of sources, of films dealing with conservative Protestant evangelical preoccupations (note the almost uniform obsession with eschatological themes and election).

Since the aforementioned religious movement has never really developed much in the way of a sustained artistic or literary tradition, it’s probably unlikely to generate film masterpieces in the near future. Not that it has much time left to do so, what with the Rapture coming up and all.

Meanwhile, far more worthy films dealing with religious or spiritual (including specifically Christian) themes will continue to appear from time to time (as they always have) and will enjoy some degree of mainstream success (as they generally do). They just won’t be in the same vein as the films billiefan2000 is so transparently hyping.

KillerBob · 26th September 2002, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I noticed this at:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47835

You "noticed" that?

Would that have anything to do with the fact that you created that?

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Tonight's news items:

"Christian filmmakers point out a huge increase in the number of films they produce..."

And in a totally unrelated story:

"Blockbuster reports a huge upswing in the number of 'straight-to-video films that suck' ".

billiefan2000 · 26th September 2002, 02:49 PM

I found it after I posted it so it counts as finding it.

a_unique_person · 26th September 2002, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000
I found it after I posted it so it counts as finding it.

LOL, I thought you didn't have a sense of humour. Still, god will have to put this down on your account as a sin.

UnrepentantSinner · 27th September 2002, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000
It is common knowledge that Family Films sell better than some of the Hollywood crap out there.

Haha.

Box office for Left Behind
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2001/LEFTB.html
Total US Gross $4,221,341

Box office for Armageddon (not about the End Times either).
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/1998/ARMAG.html
Total US Gross $201,578,182

Lothian · 27th September 2002, 12:47 AM

Religious films…..well of all the fantasy films coming up my money is on the second editions of Lord of the rings or Harry Potter as the most popular and credible.

Blue Monk · 27th September 2002, 12:58 AM

Well I don't normally go for movies with religious themes (unless they have some really cool stuff in them like guys getting crushed by a chariot as in Ben Hur) but I do make some exceptions.

Sometimes I come across one that is truly uplifting and inspirational. One truly thought provoking example would have to be

Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter

I defy any Atheist on this board to watch this flick and then tell me they weren't moved.

a_unique_person · 27th September 2002, 02:57 AM

I quite liked 'The Life of Brian'. I was surprised that xians could have such a good sense of humour and open outlook on the world.

I do wonder at Jesus in other xian films, did he have Michael Jacksons skin bleaching disease? And how was he so clean, and where how did he afford the dental bills if he was so poor?

Blue Monk · 27th September 2002, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by a_unique_person
I quite liked 'The Life of Brian'. I was surprised that xians could have such a good sense of humour and open outlook on the world.

Well they all don't. I was raised in Amarillo, Texas and when the movie opened there it was protested by some church groups. They said it portrayed Jesus as a homosexual.

I know what you're thinking and no, I don't know where they got that idea.

They also protested when the rock group KISS first played there. They rented a big sign and put it in front of the auditorium that said 'And remember, Jesus was betrayed by a kiss'.

I know what you're thinking and no, I don't know what they meant.

Ah, ain't no Bible belt quite like the Texas Bible belt.

a_unique_person · 27th September 2002, 03:24 AM

Ooh, Ooh, just thought of another xian film i liked, The Exorcist.

billiefan2000 · 28th September 2002, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by a_unique_person

LOL, I thought you didn't have a sense of humour. Still, god will have to put this down on your account as a sin.

Since when did you believe in SIN?

I guess that means you believe in Morals and that means you believe in a Higher Power.

Hellbound · 28th September 2002, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000

I guess that means you believe in Morals and that means you believe in a Higher Power.

Hold on there, sport.

Are you trying to claim that morals only exist if a higher power exists? So, in other words, if God wasn't there, you'd have no morals? You'd go about raping, murdering, pillaging, etc?

Maybe religion is a good thing for some people.

Its those with this attitude that really scare me.

28th September 2002, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Since when did you believe in SIN?

I guess that means you believe in Morals and that means you believe in a Higher Power.

So, if a_unique_person were to post "Nothing but net!" as a way of saying someone is right, or "Rejected!" when someone is wrong, would that mean he is playing basketball?

Just because an someone can use terms like "God", "Sin", "Hell", etc. does not mean he/she believes in any of it as real any more than using colorful sports metaphors (also steeped into our culture) makes him/her a sports fan, or mentioning a "light saber" would mean someone believes that Star Wars is real.

Blue Monk · 29th September 2002, 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by Huntsman

Hold on there, sport.

Are you trying to claim that morals only exist if a higher power exists? So, in other words, if God wasn't there, you'd have no morals? You'd go about raping, murdering, pillaging, etc?

Maybe religion is a good thing for some people.

Its those with this attitude that really scare me.

Right on! Whenever I hear this I think the same thing.

Then I try not to make any sudden moves.

billiefan2000 · 25th March 2003, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Huntsman

Hold on there, sport.

Are you trying to claim that morals only exist if a higher power exists? So, in other words, if God wasn't there, you'd have no morals? You'd go about raping, murdering, pillaging, etc?

Maybe religion is a good thing for some people.

Its those with this attitude that really scare me.

Huntsman,you look at most Atheists they have no morals and look at MAO and STALIN and other known Atheist Dictators who have killed or tortured millions.

Valmorian · 25th March 2003, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by billiefan2000

Huntsman,you look at most Atheists they have no morals and look at MAO and STALIN and other known Atheist Dictators who have killed or tortured millions.

This is absolute nonsense. I suspect you already know that there's no reason to link Atheism with a lack of morals and are simply trolling, however.

billydkid · 25th March 2003, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000
It is common knowledge that Family Films sell better than some of the Hollywood crap out there.

I think is cool to see something films either Family Friendly or have a Religious Theme cause we need something good in these uncertain times.

I don't consider religious films to be family films. I really like family films and like to watch them with my son. I like The Lion King and The Little Mermaid and so on. I sure wouldn't want my son watching that religious film crap. I find it truly offensive and if I believed in censorship I would censor it.

headscratcher4 · 25th March 2003, 05:26 PM

Billiefan: better see these moral films soon, George Bush is the anti-Christ, the end is near! Scripture and prophesy and events are converging around George Bush!

KillerBob · 25th March 2003, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Huntsman,you look at most Atheists they have no morals and look at MAO and STALIN and other known Atheist Dictators who have killed or tortured millions.

Guess what? There are immoral people out there.

There have been plenty of xians and xian leaders with no morals too. What does that prove?

BTW, I hope your next reply to this thread takes slightly less than six months.

Shroud of Akron · 25th March 2003, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillerBob

Guess what? There are immoral people out there.

There have been plenty of xians and xian leaders with no morals too. What does that prove?

no no no, the crusades were perfectly moral, so were the conquistadors. don't even get me started on the recent religious people that kill for god, like ossama or the taliban, these are all righteous people with just cause to kill. we really know that all evil killers have no god, sheesh!!!

Upchurch · 26th March 2003, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000

Huntsman,you look at most Atheists they have no morals

I have got to find this mysterious pool of atheists that non-atheists poll when they get their statistics. They are like none of the self-proclaimed atheists I've ever met.

Quote:

and look at MAO and STALIN and other known Atheist Dictators who have killed or tortured millions.

[sarcasm]

Yes, Mao and Stalin. Very typical atheists. The only atheist who is more typical of atheism is SUPER NAZI NUCLEAR GODZILLA BABY-EATER!!! (tm) who has three foot long razor sharp teeth, shoots fire balls out of it's a#se and would kill all Christians in their beds at nights if only the small human police with their puny guns would say it was okay.

[/sarcasm]

Seriously, on the flip side of "demonizing the perceived enemy" game, how about all the known theocracies who have killed or tortured millions? The Talaban comes to mind rather handily.

One the subject of Christian films, has anyone seen the commercial the video that the Mormons put out about the reserection of JC? I'm tellin' ya, They could not have made JC look any whiter even if they had bleached his hair. Although, I think they may have actually bleached his teeth.

I may be straight, but even I can recognize that they made Jesus out to be one attractive hunk of man-god. (Did they even have hair curlers and conditioner in biblical times?)

edited to add:
In regards to my SUPER NAZI NUCLEAR GODZILLA BABY-EATER!!! comment, based on the way that anti-atheists paint atheists, don't you get the feeling that if you hung an "Atheist" sign around your neck and jumped out from behind a tree, Christians would run, fearing for their very lives?

Marvel Frozen · 26th March 2003, 08:45 AM

Quote:

In regards to my SUPER NAZI NUCLEAR GODZILLA BABY-EATER!!! comment, based on the way that anti-atheists paint atheists, don't you get the feeling that if you hung an "Atheist" sign around your neck and jumped out from behind a tree, Christians would run, fearing for their very lives?

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I think I'm going to try that the next time the religious indoctrinators come knocking at my door.

Martin · 26th March 2003, 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by Shroud of Akron
no no no, the crusades were perfectly moral, so were the conquistadors

Nah, you've got it all wrong - they just weren't real Christians

Upchurch · 26th March 2003, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martinm

Nah, you've got it all wrong - they just weren't real Christians

And any atheist who acts in a moral manner isn't a real atheist.

SFB · 28th March 2003, 10:42 AM

billiefan2000's first post was on

09-25-2002 03:40 PM

Then his stunning comeback posted on

03-25-2003 02:02 PM.

I guess we have to wait till

09-25-2003 for another.

Billie, are you out there chewing the cud? Getting all these responses figured out for your next post?

c4ts · 28th March 2003, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by billiefan2000

Since when did you believe in SIN?

I guess that means you believe in Morals and that means you believe in a Higher Power.

WRONG! *throws ultra-heavy hardback edition of Plato's Republic at billiefan*

25th September 2002, 03:40 PM	#1
billiefan2000 Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Omaha Nebraska Posts: 522	CHRISTIAN FILMS CRAZE out there.. I noticed this at: http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47835 and there is a surge of Christian Films such as TIME CHANGER and TRIBULATION FORCE and JONAH and HANGMAN'S CURSE and I was wondering what you think of this sudden CHRISTIAN FILM CRAZE and of: http://www.onewayfilms.com
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25th September 2002, 05:02 PM	#2
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,317	Billiefan, you won't read this, but I'll say it anyway. Thanks for these posts. They really get me thinking about god and stuff. In about 10,000 years I think they will turn me into a christian.
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25th September 2002, 06:37 PM	#3
Mr. Skinny Alien Cryogenic Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,192	Re: CHRISTIAN FILMS CRAZE out there.. Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 I noticed this at: http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47835 and there is a surge of Christian Films such as TIME CHANGER and TRIBULATION FORCE and JONAH and HANGMAN'S CURSE and I was wondering what you think of this sudden CHRISTIAN FILM CRAZE and of: http://www.onewayfilms.com I'd like to know what you think about them first.
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25th September 2002, 07:30 PM	#4
evildave Guest Posts: n/a	Well, it's not "all of a sudden". Religious topics have always figured in Hollywood and other media production centers. Sure, evangelists and such got some religious fervor going after 9/11, and some loose change found its way into the hands of some production crews. If only one of them succeeds modestly, it will be claimed that there is a "clear demand" for purely religious content. But this is like predicting "It will rain some time in 2003." If there is a next wave, it will be far bigger budget and will make exactly as much money as the previous, smaller budget film made (if it didn't "suck"). (sarcasm) I'm sure kids will be flooding over the lines of "Harry Potter" and "The Two Towers" to see these gems. Yup. (/sarcasm) Most of these "masterpieces" are destined for video sale from retail stores, and not destined for more than a brief showing in a few theaters. Shortly after that (assuming they even get big retail chains to buy some stock AND order more), direct-channel/specialty sales. Some of these will never see the silver screen. Like a lot of Disney "Beauty and the Beast Christmas", and "Simba's Pride" sort of junk that attempts to capitalize on a perceived "can't lose" market, and then promptly loses. Probably even "The Santa Clause II" will beat all of them combined in gross earnings. Religious parents who shelter their children will certainly shell out the cash in an attempt to divert their children from "evil" films like Potter/LOTR, and make sure that they will only be exposed to the "right" entertainment. Less religious parents will just take their kids to see the movies they want to see. Along with the "sheltered" kids if they manage to tag along.
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26th September 2002, 04:54 AM	#5
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,292	Films with religious themes are often produced during times of national crisis. During the 50's with beginnings of the Cold War, the Korean War, the Red Scare, etc. many big budget religious films were produced. Ten Commandments, Quo Vadis, Ben Hur, The Robe, to name a few. More recently, with 9/11, the War on Terrorism, and a possible Iraq War, Hollywood is starting to fund more religious films again because they know there is more of a market for these movies at this time. I hope this helps!
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26th September 2002, 08:18 AM	#6
billiefan2000 Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Omaha Nebraska Posts: 522	crossbow is right... It is common knowledge that Family Films sell better than some of the Hollywood crap out there. I think is cool to see something films either Family Friendly or have a Religious Theme cause we need something good in these uncertain times.
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26th September 2002, 08:23 AM	#7
Lucifuge Rofocale Prime Minister of Hell Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 968	Re: crossbow is right... Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 I think is cool to see something films either Family Friendly or have a Religious Theme cause we need something good in these uncertain times. Huge Non-sequitur
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26th September 2002, 08:55 AM	#8
KillerBob Muse Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Near the Gulf of Yoo-Hoo Posts: 607	Re: crossbow is right... Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 I think is cool to see something films either Family Friendly or have a Religious Theme cause we need something good in these uncertain times. Yeah, there's nothing more "Family Friendly" or "good" than films about the death, suffering, and destruction of the supposed "end times".
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26th September 2002, 08:58 AM	#9
Hellbound Abiogenic Spongiform Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a handbasket Posts: 8,911	Re: Re: crossbow is right... Quote: Originally posted by KillerBob Yeah, there's nothing more "Family Friendly" or "good" than films about the death, suffering, and destruction of the supposed "end times". Or the oft repeated message that we, ourselves, are weak, pathetic, worthless, and hopeless, and the only way to survive/live/be happy is to do exactly what the big giant head tells us. Hmmm, is it just me, or does that sound like the kidnapped agent plot from "The Agency" last week?

26th September 2002, 11:17 AM	#10
Furterfan Guest Posts: n/a	Quote: It is common knowledge that Family Films sell better than some of the Hollywood crap out there Define 'Hollywood crap'. Define 'Family Films'. No, don't bother, you're wrong. totally wrong. However much you would like it to be right. Most of the films you describe are destined for the video bargain bins, being outsold by 'Debbie does Dallas IX'. FF
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26th September 2002, 01:13 PM	#11
ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	What I see is not so much a “Christian film craze” as a spike in output, from a limited number of sources, of films dealing with conservative Protestant evangelical preoccupations (note the almost uniform obsession with eschatological themes and election). Since the aforementioned religious movement has never really developed much in the way of a sustained artistic or literary tradition, it’s probably unlikely to generate film masterpieces in the near future. Not that it has much time left to do so, what with the Rapture coming up and all. Meanwhile, far more worthy films dealing with religious or spiritual (including specifically Christian) themes will continue to appear from time to time (as they always have) and will enjoy some degree of mainstream success (as they generally do). They just won’t be in the same vein as the films billiefan2000 is so transparently hyping.
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26th September 2002, 01:46 PM	#12
KillerBob Muse Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Near the Gulf of Yoo-Hoo Posts: 607	Re: CHRISTIAN FILMS CRAZE out there.. Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 I noticed this at: http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47835 You "noticed" that? Would that have anything to do with the fact that you *created* that? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tonight's news items: "Christian filmmakers point out a huge increase in the number of films they produce..." And in a totally unrelated story: "Blockbuster reports a huge upswing in the number of 'straight-to-video films that suck' ".
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26th September 2002, 02:49 PM	#13
billiefan2000 Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Omaha Nebraska Posts: 522	Killer Bob.. I found it after I posted it so it counts as finding it.
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26th September 2002, 04:56 PM	#14
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,317	Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 I found it after I posted it so it counts as finding it. LOL, I thought you didn't have a sense of humour. Still, god will have to put this down on your account as a sin.
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27th September 2002, 12:40 AM	#15
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,351	Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 It is common knowledge that Family Films sell better than some of the Hollywood crap out there. Haha. Box office for Left Behind http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2001/LEFTB.html Total US Gross $4,221,341 Box office for Armageddon (not about the End Times either). http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/1998/ARMAG.html Total US Gross $201,578,182
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27th September 2002, 12:47 AM	#16
Lothian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: https://twitter.com/CV4UK Posts: 10,373	Religious films…..well of all the fantasy films coming up my money is on the second editions of Lord of the rings or Harry Potter as the most popular and credible.

27th September 2002, 12:58 AM	#17
Blue Monk Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,772	Well I don't normally go for movies with religious themes (unless they have some really cool stuff in them like guys getting crushed by a chariot as in Ben Hur) but I do make some exceptions. Sometimes I come across one that is truly uplifting and inspirational. One truly thought provoking example would have to be Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter I defy any Atheist on this board to watch this flick and then tell me they weren't moved.
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27th September 2002, 02:57 AM	#18
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,317	I quite liked 'The Life of Brian'. I was surprised that xians could have such a good sense of humour and open outlook on the world. I do wonder at Jesus in other xian films, did he have Michael Jacksons skin bleaching disease? And how was he so clean, and where how did he afford the dental bills if he was so poor?
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27th September 2002, 03:08 AM	#19
Blue Monk Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,772	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person I quite liked 'The Life of Brian'. I was surprised that xians could have such a good sense of humour and open outlook on the world. Well they all don't. I was raised in Amarillo, Texas and when the movie opened there it was protested by some church groups. They said it portrayed Jesus as a homosexual. I know what you're thinking and no, I don't know where they got that idea. They also protested when the rock group KISS first played there. They rented a big sign and put it in front of the auditorium that said 'And remember, Jesus was betrayed by a kiss'. I know what you're thinking and no, I don't know what they meant. Ah, ain't no Bible belt quite like the Texas Bible belt.
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27th September 2002, 03:24 AM	#20
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,317	Ooh, Ooh, just thought of another xian film i liked, The Exorcist.
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28th September 2002, 08:16 AM	#21
billiefan2000 Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Omaha Nebraska Posts: 522	Re: Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person LOL, I thought you didn't have a sense of humour. Still, god will have to put this down on your account as a sin. Since when did you believe in SIN? I guess that means you believe in Morals and that means you believe in a Higher Power.
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28th September 2002, 09:31 AM	#22
Hellbound Abiogenic Spongiform Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a handbasket Posts: 8,911	Re: Re: Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 I guess that means you believe in Morals and that means you believe in a Higher Power. Hold on there, sport. Are you trying to claim that morals only exist if a higher power exists? So, in other words, if God wasn't there, you'd have no morals? You'd go about raping, murdering, pillaging, etc? Maybe religion is a good thing for some people. Its those with this attitude that really scare me.

28th September 2002, 07:38 PM	#23
evildave Guest Posts: n/a	Quote: Since when did you believe in SIN? I guess that means you believe in Morals and that means you believe in a Higher Power. So, if a_unique_person were to post "Nothing but net!" as a way of saying someone is right, or "Rejected!" when someone is wrong, would that mean he is playing basketball? Just because an someone can use terms like "God", "Sin", "Hell", etc. does not mean he/she believes in any of it as real any more than using colorful sports metaphors (also steeped into our culture) makes him/her a sports fan, or mentioning a "light saber" would mean someone believes that Star Wars is real.
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29th September 2002, 12:53 AM	#24
Blue Monk Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,772	Re: Re: Re: Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by Huntsman Hold on there, sport. Are you trying to claim that morals only exist if a higher power exists? So, in other words, if God wasn't there, you'd have no morals? You'd go about raping, murdering, pillaging, etc? Maybe religion is a good thing for some people. Its those with this attitude that really scare me. Right on! Whenever I hear this I think the same thing. Then I try not to make any sudden moves.
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25th March 2003, 02:02 PM	#25
billiefan2000 Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Omaha Nebraska Posts: 522	Re: Re: Re: Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by Huntsman Hold on there, sport. Are you trying to claim that morals only exist if a higher power exists? So, in other words, if God wasn't there, you'd have no morals? You'd go about raping, murdering, pillaging, etc? Maybe religion is a good thing for some people. Its those with this attitude that really scare me. Huntsman,you look at most Atheists they have no morals and look at MAO and STALIN and other known Atheist Dictators who have killed or tortured millions.
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25th March 2003, 03:12 PM	#26
Valmorian Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 260	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 Huntsman,you look at most Atheists they have no morals and look at MAO and STALIN and other known Atheist Dictators who have killed or tortured millions. This is absolute nonsense. I suspect you already know that there's no reason to link Atheism with a lack of morals and are simply trolling, however.

25th March 2003, 04:53 PM	#27
billydkid Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Blanchester, OH Posts: 4,930	Re: crossbow is right... Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 It is common knowledge that Family Films sell better than some of the Hollywood crap out there. I think is cool to see something films either Family Friendly or have a Religious Theme cause we need something good in these uncertain times. I don't consider religious films to be family films. I really like family films and like to watch them with my son. I like The Lion King and The Little Mermaid and so on. I sure wouldn't want my son watching that religious film crap. I find it truly offensive and if I believed in censorship I would censor it.

25th March 2003, 05:26 PM	#28
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Billiefan: better see these moral films soon, George Bush is the anti-Christ, the end is near! Scripture and prophesy and events are converging around George Bush!
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25th March 2003, 07:31 PM	#29
KillerBob Muse Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Near the Gulf of Yoo-Hoo Posts: 607	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 Huntsman,you look at most Atheists they have no morals and look at MAO and STALIN and other known Atheist Dictators who have killed or tortured millions. Guess what? There are immoral people out there. There have been plenty of xians and xian leaders with no morals too. What does that prove? BTW, I hope your next reply to this thread takes slightly less than six months.
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25th March 2003, 11:22 PM	#30
Shroud of Akron Thinker Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 129	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by KillerBob Guess what? There are immoral people out there. There have been plenty of xians and xian leaders with no morals too. What does that prove? no no no, the crusades were perfectly moral, so were the conquistadors. don't even get me started on the recent religious people that kill for god, like ossama or the taliban, these are all righteous people with just cause to kill. we really know that all evil killers have no god, sheesh!!!
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26th March 2003, 07:42 AM	#31
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,423	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Killer Bob.. Quote: Originally posted by billiefan2000 Huntsman,you look at most Atheists they have no morals I have got to find this mysterious pool of atheists that non-atheists poll when they get their statistics. They are like none of the self-proclaimed atheists I've ever met. Quote: and look at MAO and STALIN and other known Atheist Dictators who have killed or tortured millions. [sarcasm] Yes, Mao and Stalin. Very typical atheists. The only atheist who is more typical of atheism is SUPER NAZI NUCLEAR GODZILLA BABY-EATER!!! (tm) who has three foot long razor sharp teeth, shoots fire balls out of it's a#se and would kill all Christians in their beds at nights if only the small human police with their puny guns would say it was okay. [/sarcasm] Seriously, on the flip side of "demonizing the perceived enemy" game, how about all the known theocracies who have killed or tortured millions? The Talaban comes to mind rather handily. One the subject of Christian films, has anyone seen the commercial the video that the Mormons put out about the reserection of JC? I'm tellin' ya, They could not have made JC look any whiter even if they had bleached his hair. Although, I think they may have actually bleached his teeth. I may be straight, but even I can recognize that they made Jesus out to be one attractive hunk of man-god. (Did they even have hair curlers and conditioner in biblical times?) edited to add: In regards to my SUPER NAZI NUCLEAR GODZILLA BABY-EATER!!! comment, based on the way that anti-atheists paint atheists, don't you get the feeling that if you hung an "Atheist" sign around your neck and jumped out from behind a tree, Christians would run, fearing for their very lives?

26th March 2003, 08:45 AM	#32
Marvel Frozen Thinker Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 237	Quote: In regards to my SUPER NAZI NUCLEAR GODZILLA BABY-EATER!!! comment, based on the way that anti-atheists paint atheists, don't you get the feeling that if you hung an "Atheist" sign around your neck and jumped out from behind a tree, Christians would run, fearing for their very lives? \ I think I'm going to try that the next time the religious indoctrinators come knocking at my door.
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26th March 2003, 08:54 AM	#33
Martin Sceptic Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 898	Quote: Originally posted by Shroud of Akron no no no, the crusades were perfectly moral, so were the conquistadors Nah, you've got it all wrong - they just weren't real Christians
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26th March 2003, 10:20 AM	#34
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,423	Quote: Originally posted by Martinm *Nah, you've got it all wrong - they just weren't real* Christians** And any atheist who acts in a moral manner isn't a real atheist.

28th March 2003, 10:42 AM	#35
SFB Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 288	billiefan2000's first post was on 09-25-2002 03:40 PM Then his stunning comeback posted on 03-25-2003 02:02 PM. I guess we have to wait till 09-25-2003 for another. Billie, are you out there chewing the cud? Getting all these responses figured out for your next post?
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