2005 is warmest year ever recorded

jay gw · 15th December 2005, 10:45 AM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4532344.stm

TragicMonkey · 15th December 2005, 10:48 AM

They haven't been recording very long, then.

In Caesar's time, there were vinyards in England. The place used to be warmer.

tracer · 15th December 2005, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by jay gw

The researchers, from the UK Met Office and the University of East Anglia, say this is more evidence for the reality of human-induced global warming.

More evidence for the reality of global warming? Yes.

More evidence for the reality of human-induced global warming? That's a bit of a stretch.

Manny · 15th December 2005, 12:06 PM

Then will someone please explain to me why it's so. fvcking. cold.

bob_kark · 15th December 2005, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by manny

Then will someone please explain to me why it's so. fvcking. cold.

Too much Global Warming in the summer. We spent it all. BTW, shouldn't the title read, "2005 is the 2nd warmest year ever recorded?"

Jorghnassen · 15th December 2005, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by manny

Then will someone please explain to me why it's so. fvcking. cold.

That would be because climate change implies not simply different mean temperature but can also mean different variance. So the temperature distribution not only changes in location but in scale, and with heavier tails to the distribution this means higher probability of substancially higher/lower than average temperature. Hence a more variable climate.

Brian the Snail · 15th December 2005, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by manny

Then will someone please explain to me why it's so. fvcking. cold.

Because it's winter.

TobiasTheViking · 15th December 2005, 12:36 PM

Reminds me of some other headlines i have seen often, sadly i can't remember them verbatim, but i can show the concept.

headline : "<concept> WORST EVER"
body : "<concept> worst ever this year, though it was actually much worse last year, and even worse 10 years ago".

epepke · 15th December 2005, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

They haven't been recording very long, then.

In Caesar's time, there were vinyards in England. The place used to be warmer.

Well, yes. Plus the Medieval Warm Period. Also the description of Vinland from the Vikings, but in that case, it's possible that they mistook some cold-temperature berries for grapes. Or that they were just lying. After all, they were the folks that named Greenland.

TobiasTheViking · 15th December 2005, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by epepke

Well, yes. Plus the Medieval Warm Period. Also the description of Vinland from the Vikings, but in that case, it's possible that they mistook some cold-temperature berries for grapes. Or that they were just lying. After all, they were the folks that named Greenland.

Seems like the correct name to give a new piece of land you find, and the first piece of it you see is green with grass and bushes and trees.. hmm.. I wonder how they came up with that name.

Maybe because it was a piece of green... land....

epepke · 15th December 2005, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

Seems like the correct name to give a new piece of land you find, and the first piece of it you see is green with grass and bushes and trees.. hmm.. I wonder how they came up with that name.

Iceland, on the other hand, has a Southern area of green arable land bigger than England. Go figure!

ETA: My father worked on Greenland, and from his memory, there is very little green about it.

TobiasTheViking · 15th December 2005, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by epepke

Iceland, on the other hand, has a Southern area of green arable land bigger than England. Go figure!

ETA: My father worked on Greenland, and from his memory, there is very little green about it.

Ehm.......

So, your father owkred on Greenland back when the vikings found or named it? because if he didn't, his opinion on the green, or lack of same, on Greenland isn't relevant.

epepke · 15th December 2005, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

Ehm.......

So, your father owkred on Greenland back when the vikings found or named it? because if he didn't, his opinion on the green, or lack of same, on Greenland isn't relevant.

Well, maybe. But Iceland was, if anything, greener back then, and it was still named Iceland.

TobiasTheViking · 15th December 2005, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by epepke

Well, maybe. But Iceland was, if anything, greener back then, and it was still named Iceland.

Ehm, so because Iceland was named "Iceland" that means the name "Greenland" for Greenland is wrong?

Sorry, that argument doesn't parse.

Beerina · 15th December 2005, 01:47 PM

I assume vinyards are impossible in England now because of their climate.

Which puzzles me since we grow grapes in Michigan, which is arguably worse than England. Maybe they're not the right grapes as considered by the modern French, but they'd work. How do they know they weren't growing this type in England back then?

In any event, assuming they don't grow in England at all, and used to because of a significantly warmer climate, well, I've always had this tickle in the back of my mind that maybe the global warming guys were right, but this would shoot that all to hell.

What are the responses to this?

Grammatron · 15th December 2005, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

I assume vinyards are impossible in England now because of their climate.

Which puzzles me since we grow grapes in Michigan, which is arguably worse than England. Maybe they're not the right grapes as considered by the modern French, but they'd work. How do they know they weren't growing this type in England back then?

In any event, assuming they don't grow in England at all, and used to because of a significantly warmer climate, well, I've always had this tickle in the back of my mind that maybe the global warming guys were right, but this would shoot that all to hell.

What are the responses to this?

Just because you can grow grapes does not mean you can have a vinyard.

Melendwyr · 15th December 2005, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Grammatron

Just because you can grow grapes does not mean you can have a vinyard.

True. You have to be able to grow fields of grapes in long rows, suspended on horizontal trellises.

I suspect England had enough room to fit one or two in. Now, of course, it's all Britpop rock bands and hedgehogs.

Brian the Snail · 15th December 2005, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

I assume vinyards are impossible in England now because of their climate.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eng...f&start=0&sa=N

epepke · 15th December 2005, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

Ehm, so because Iceland was named "Iceland" that means the name "Greenland" for Greenland is wrong?

Sorry, that argument doesn't parse.

Look, I just fine it kind of amusing that the warmer place got named after "ice," and the colder place got named after "green," by approximately the same people. OK?

Perhaps you should go write a terribly serious dissertation about how the Three Stooges relate to Marxist theory.

TobiasTheViking · 15th December 2005, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by epepke

Look, I just fine it kind of amusing that the warmer place got named after "ice," and the colder place got named after "green," by approximately the same people. OK?

Perhaps you should go write a terribly serious dissertation about how the Three Stooges relate to Marxist theory.

In that case i appologize for not getting your joke. I thought you were serious. Sorry.

As a joke (or just an amusing thought) it is fine

WildCat · 15th December 2005, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

I assume vinyards are impossible in England now because of their climate.

Which puzzles me since we grow grapes in Michigan, which is arguably worse than England. Maybe they're not the right grapes as considered by the modern French, but they'd work. How do they know they weren't growing this type in England back then?

In any event, assuming they don't grow in England at all, and used to because of a significantly warmer climate, well, I've always had this tickle in the back of my mind that maybe the global warming guys were right, but this would shoot that all to hell.

What are the responses to this?

In the land of cheese and brats, they're making ice wine.

Grammatron · 15th December 2005, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

In the land of cheese and brats, they're making ice wine.

Eh...it's allright. A bit too sweet for my taste.

Bjorn · 15th December 2005, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by epepke

Iceland, on the other hand, has a Southern area of green arable land bigger than England. Go figure!

As far as I know, the whole of Iceland is smaller than England. Go figure?

WildCat · 15th December 2005, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bjorn

As far as I know, the whole of Iceland is smaller than England. Go figure?

If you were a Mason, you'd know about the secret half of Iceland.

Jorghnassen · 15th December 2005, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Grammatron

Eh...it's allright. A bit too sweet for my taste.

You might want to try ice cider then. Same principle, but with apples. The sweetness is much easier to cope with somehow.

/I'll be having some to accompany some foie gras over the Christmas break...

tracer · 15th December 2005, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by epepke

Perhaps you should go write a terribly serious dissertation about how the Three Stooges relate to Marxist theory.

Moe clearly represented the Bourgeoise.

epepke · 15th December 2005, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bjorn

As far as I know, the whole of Iceland is smaller than England. Go figure?

Whoa, you're right. My mistake.

15th December 2005, 10:48 AM	#2
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,053	They haven't been recording very long, then. In Caesar's time, there were vinyards in England. The place used to be warmer.
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15th December 2005, 12:01 PM	#3
tracer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, Calif. Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by jay gw The researchers, from the UK Met Office and the University of East Anglia, say this is more evidence for the reality of human-induced global warming. More evidence for the reality of global warming? Yes. More evidence for the reality of human-induced global warming? That's a bit of a stretch.
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15th December 2005, 12:35 PM	#7
Brian the Snail Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 963	Originally Posted by manny Then will someone please explain to me why it's so. fvcking. cold. Because it's winter.
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15th December 2005, 12:36 PM	#8
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Reminds me of some other headlines i have seen often, sadly i can't remember them verbatim, but i can show the concept. headline : "<concept> WORST EVER" body : "<concept> worst ever this year, though it was actually much worse last year, and even worse 10 years ago".
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15th December 2005, 12:20 PM	#5
bob_kark Person of Hench Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Globalist H.Q., 25th floor, 5th room on the right. Posts: 4,097	Originally Posted by manny Then will someone please explain to me why it's so. fvcking. cold. Too much Global Warming in the summer. We spent it all. BTW, shouldn't the title read, "2005 is the 2nd warmest year ever recorded?"

15th December 2005, 12:33 PM	#6
Jorghnassen Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The realm of ideas Posts: 3,881	Originally Posted by manny Then will someone please explain to me why it's so. fvcking. cold. That would be because climate change implies not simply different mean temperature but can also mean different variance. So the temperature distribution not only changes in location but in scale, and with heavier tails to the distribution this means higher probability of substancially higher/lower than average temperature. Hence a more variable climate.

15th December 2005, 12:38 PM	#9
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey They haven't been recording very long, then. In Caesar's time, there were vinyards in England. The place used to be warmer. Well, yes. Plus the Medieval Warm Period. Also the description of Vinland from the Vikings, but in that case, it's possible that they mistook some cold-temperature berries for grapes. Or that they were just lying. After all, they were the folks that named Greenland.
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TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Originally Posted by epepke Well, yes. Plus the Medieval Warm Period. Also the description of Vinland from the Vikings, but in that case, it's possible that they mistook some cold-temperature berries for grapes. Or that they were just lying. After all, they were the folks that named Greenland. Seems like the correct name to give a new piece of land you find, and the first piece of it you see is green with grass and bushes and trees.. hmm.. I wonder how they came up with that name. Maybe because it was a piece of green... land....
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15th December 2005, 01:16 PM	#11
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie Seems like the correct name to give a new piece of land you find, and the first piece of it you see is green with grass and bushes and trees.. hmm.. I wonder how they came up with that name. Iceland, on the other hand, has a Southern area of green arable land bigger than England. Go figure! ETA: My father worked on Greenland, and from his memory, there is very little green about it.
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TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Originally Posted by epepke Iceland, on the other hand, has a Southern area of green arable land bigger than England. Go figure! ETA: My father worked on Greenland, and from his memory, there is very little green about it. Ehm....... So, your father owkred on Greenland back when the vikings found or named it? because if he didn't, his opinion on the green, or lack of same, on Greenland isn't relevant.
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15th December 2005, 01:37 PM	#13
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie Ehm....... So, your father owkred on Greenland back when the vikings found or named it? because if he didn't, his opinion on the green, or lack of same, on Greenland isn't relevant. Well, maybe. But Iceland was, if anything, greener back then, and it was still named Iceland.
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15th December 2005, 01:43 PM	#14
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Originally Posted by epepke Well, maybe. But Iceland was, if anything, greener back then, and it was still named Iceland. Ehm, so because Iceland was named "Iceland" that means the name "Greenland" for Greenland is wrong? Sorry, that argument doesn't parse.
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Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	I assume vinyards are impossible in England now because of their climate. Which puzzles me since we grow grapes in Michigan, which is arguably worse than England. Maybe they're not the right grapes as considered by the modern French, but they'd work. How do they know they weren't growing this type in England back then? In any event, assuming they don't grow in England at all, and used to because of a significantly warmer climate, well, I've always had this tickle in the back of my mind that maybe the global warming guys were right, but this would shoot that all to hell. What are the responses to this?
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Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by Beerina I assume vinyards are impossible in England now because of their climate. Which puzzles me since we grow grapes in Michigan, which is arguably worse than England. Maybe they're not the right grapes as considered by the modern French, but they'd work. How do they know they weren't growing this type in England back then? In any event, assuming they don't grow in England at all, and used to because of a significantly warmer climate, well, I've always had this tickle in the back of my mind that maybe the global warming guys were right, but this would shoot that all to hell. What are the responses to this? Just because you can grow grapes does not mean you can have a vinyard.
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15th December 2005, 02:07 PM	#17
Melendwyr Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,064	Originally Posted by Grammatron Just because you can grow grapes does not mean you can have a vinyard. True. You have to be able to grow fields of grapes in long rows, suspended on horizontal trellises. I suspect England had enough room to fit one or two in. Now, of course, it's all Britpop rock bands and hedgehogs.
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15th December 2005, 02:15 PM	#18
Brian the Snail Muse Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 963	Originally Posted by Beerina I assume vinyards are impossible in England now because of their climate. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eng...f&start=0&sa=N
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15th December 2005, 02:52 PM	#19
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie Ehm, so because Iceland was named "Iceland" that means the name "Greenland" for Greenland is wrong? Sorry, that argument doesn't parse. Look, I just fine it kind of amusing that the warmer place got named after "ice," and the colder place got named after "green," by approximately the same people. OK? Perhaps you should go write a terribly serious dissertation about how the Three Stooges relate to Marxist theory.
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TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Originally Posted by epepke Look, I just fine it kind of amusing that the warmer place got named after "ice," and the colder place got named after "green," by approximately the same people. OK? Perhaps you should go write a terribly serious dissertation about how the Three Stooges relate to Marxist theory. In that case i appologize for not getting your joke. I thought you were serious. Sorry. As a joke (or just an amusing thought) it is fine
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15th December 2005, 03:27 PM	#21
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,978	Originally Posted by Beerina I assume vinyards are impossible in England now because of their climate. Which puzzles me since we grow grapes in Michigan, which is arguably worse than England. Maybe they're not the right grapes as considered by the modern French, but they'd work. How do they know they weren't growing this type in England back then? In any event, assuming they don't grow in England at all, and used to because of a significantly warmer climate, well, I've always had this tickle in the back of my mind that maybe the global warming guys were right, but this would shoot that all to hell. What are the responses to this? In the land of cheese and brats, they're making ice wine.

15th December 2005, 03:28 PM	#22
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by WildCat In the land of cheese and brats, they're making ice wine. Eh...it's allright. A bit too sweet for my taste.
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15th December 2005, 03:30 PM	#23
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Originally Posted by epepke Iceland, on the other hand, has a Southern area of green arable land bigger than England. Go figure! As far as I know, the whole of Iceland is smaller than England. Go figure?
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15th December 2005, 04:02 PM	#24
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,978	Originally Posted by Bjorn As far as I know, the whole of Iceland is smaller than England. Go figure? If you were a Mason, you'd know about the secret half of Iceland.

15th December 2005, 04:05 PM	#25
Jorghnassen Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The realm of ideas Posts: 3,881	Originally Posted by Grammatron Eh...it's allright. A bit too sweet for my taste. You might want to try ice cider then. Same principle, but with apples. The sweetness is much easier to cope with somehow. /I'll be having some to accompany some foie gras over the Christmas break...

15th December 2005, 05:51 PM	#26
tracer Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Silicon Valley, Calif. Posts: 1,356	Originally Posted by epepke Perhaps you should go write a terribly serious dissertation about how the Three Stooges relate to Marxist theory. Moe clearly represented the Bourgeoise.
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15th December 2005, 06:37 PM	#27
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,950	Originally Posted by Bjorn As far as I know, the whole of Iceland is smaller than England. Go figure? Whoa, you're right. My mistake.
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