The anti-american left has no class

Tony · 28th April 2003, 06:26 PM

http://www.net.vg/freedomcards/cards.html

This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda.

a_unique_person · 28th April 2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Tony
http://www.net.vg/freedomcards/cards.html

This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda.

Not a creation of 'The Left', but of a leftist. I would point out, however, that the right has been pretty keen exploit misery of the the Iraqi people equally.

Tony · 28th April 2003, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by a_unique_person

I would point out, however, that the right has been pretty keen exploit misery of the the Iraqi people equally.

How?

a_unique_person · 28th April 2003, 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by Tony

How?

Along with the removal of WMD, the concern for the people of Iraq was put forward as one of the main reasons for the war. I don't believe either excuse.

Tony · 28th April 2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by a_unique_person

Along with the removal of WMD, the concern for the people of Iraq was put forward as one of the main reasons for the war.

Completly different. WMD and the plight of the Iraqi people were reasons to justify the removal of saddam hussien. These "trading cards" are a cheap attemp to show how "evil" the US and George Bush is.

DavidJames · 28th April 2003, 07:16 PM

"This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda."

Who are you referring to when you say "your" agenda? Certainly not me. Please be specific when making accusations.

a_unique_person · 28th April 2003, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Tony

Completly different. WMD and the plight of the Iraqi people were reasons to justify the removal of saddam hussien. These "trading cards" are a cheap attemp to show how "evil" the US and George Bush is.

You haven't noticed any 'cheap' tactics from the US side, and you work in advertising?

Tony · 28th April 2003, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by a_unique_person

You haven't noticed any 'cheap' tactics from the US side

Like what?

When has the US government made trading cards depicting death and distruction to further it's agenda?

Supercharts · 28th April 2003, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by Tony
http://www.net.vg/freedomcards/cards.html

This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda.

If you have not already - read The New Thought Police by Tammy Bruce. Excellent!

Kevin_Lowe · 29th April 2003, 02:22 AM

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Originally posted by Tony
http://www.net.vg/freedomcards/cards.html

This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda.

Indeed. What this person has done is much worse than actually causing the deaths of innocents.

Does it count as "whoring" if your "agenda" is to make people aware of the horrifying realities of war? I don't know. Maybe it's just honesty.

BillyTK · 29th April 2003, 02:28 AM

"The anti-american left has no class"?

:rotfl: That's a really funny, if unintentional, pun!

Tony · 29th April 2003, 02:40 AM

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Originally posted by Kevin_Lowe

Does it count as "whoring" if your "agenda" is to make people aware of the horrifying realities of war?

The big word here is IF. IF their goal was to make people aware of the realities of war, it would be acceptable. (You would have to be astoundingly ignorant to be unaware of the realities of war, but that is a different discussion.) But no-where on this web site does it state that as being their goal. And judging by the insensitive and sarcastic nature of the trading cards, I would say their goal is demagoguery and propaganda.

Ian Osborne · 29th April 2003, 03:08 AM

I wondered how long it would be before someone made a 'disarmed' joke about that poor kid

Tricky · 29th April 2003, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by BillyTK
"The anti-american left has no class"?

:rotfl: That's a really funny, if unintentional, pun!

Yeah. They killed off all of the anti-americans with class. Now the only ones left are the crude ones.

Tmy · 29th April 2003, 05:50 AM

I've seen websites that sell shirts saying "Fucq Iraq" and the like.

Then there's that country guy who sings that "Have You Forgotten" song. He's basically making a name and cashing in on peoples emotions with the war and 911. You dont think all the money hes making is going to charity do you?

crackmonkey · 29th April 2003, 07:13 AM

Nah, not even close. I suppose it would be the same thing if right-wing sites sold t-shirts with dead Iraqis pictured on it, with something like "Mess with the best, die like the rest' as the caption. Tasteless, shockingly dehumanizing, and just deeply wrong. I suppose 'taste' or 'class' isn't something that can be neatly defined, but one knows it when one sees it. The above site ain't it.

28th April 2003, 06:26 PM	#1
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,767	The anti-american left has no class http://www.net.vg/freedomcards/cards.html This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda.
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28th April 2003, 06:49 PM	#2
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,331	Re: The anti-american left has no class Quote: Originally posted by Tony http://www.net.vg/freedomcards/cards.html This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda. Not a creation of 'The Left', but of a leftist. I would point out, however, that the right has been pretty keen exploit misery of the the Iraqi people equally.
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28th April 2003, 06:54 PM	#3
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,767	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person I would point out, however, that the right has been pretty keen exploit misery of the the Iraqi people equally. How?
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28th April 2003, 07:05 PM	#4
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,331	Quote: Originally posted by Tony How? Along with the removal of WMD, the concern for the people of Iraq was put forward as one of the main reasons for the war. I don't believe either excuse.
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28th April 2003, 07:12 PM	#5
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,767	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person Along with the removal of WMD, the concern for the people of Iraq was put forward as one of the main reasons for the war. Completly different. WMD and the plight of the Iraqi people were reasons to justify the removal of saddam hussien. These "trading cards" are a cheap attemp to show how "evil" the US and George Bush is.
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28th April 2003, 07:16 PM	#6
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,088	"This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda." Who are you referring to when you say "your" agenda? Certainly not me. Please be specific when making accusations.

28th April 2003, 07:16 PM	#7
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,331	Quote: Originally posted by Tony Completly different. WMD and the plight of the Iraqi people were reasons to justify the removal of saddam hussien. These "trading cards" are a cheap attemp to show how "evil" the US and George Bush is. You haven't noticed any 'cheap' tactics from the US side, and you work in advertising?
	__________________ *Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity.* Everything is possible, but not everything is probable. For if a man pretend to me that God hath spoken to him supernaturally, and immediately, and I make doubt of it, I cannot easily perceive what argument he can produce to oblige me to believe it. Hobbes

28th April 2003, 07:25 PM	#8
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,767	Quote: Originally posted by a_unique_person You haven't noticed any 'cheap' tactics from the US side Like what? When has the US government made trading cards depicting death and distruction to further it's agenda?
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28th April 2003, 07:25 PM	#9
Supercharts Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,185	Re: The anti-american left has no class Quote: Originally posted by Tony http://www.net.vg/freedomcards/cards.html This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda. If you have not already - read The New Thought Police by Tammy Bruce. Excellent!

29th April 2003, 02:22 AM	#10
Kevin_Lowe Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Queensland Posts: 10,284	Re: The anti-american left has no class Quote: Originally posted by Tony http://www.net.vg/freedomcards/cards.html This is a tactic mike moore would be proud of, whore out the death of innocence to further your agenda. Indeed. What this person has done is much worse than actually causing the deaths of innocents. Does it count as "whoring" if your "agenda" is to make people aware of the horrifying realities of war? I don't know. Maybe it's just honesty.

29th April 2003, 02:28 AM	#11
BillyTK Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,625	"The anti-american left has no class"? :rotfl: That's a really funny, if unintentional, pun!
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29th April 2003, 02:40 AM	#12
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,767	Re: Re: The anti-american left has no class Quote: Originally posted by Kevin_Lowe Does it count as "whoring" if your "agenda" is to make people aware of the horrifying realities of war? The big word here is IF. IF their goal was to make people aware of the realities of war, it would be acceptable. (You would have to be astoundingly ignorant to be unaware of the realities of war, but that is a different discussion.) But no-where on this web site does it state that as being their goal. And judging by the insensitive and sarcastic nature of the trading cards, I would say their goal is demagoguery and propaganda.
	__________________ It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company. - Mark Twain

29th April 2003, 03:08 AM	#13
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,383	I wondered how long it would be before someone made a 'disarmed' joke about that poor kid
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29th April 2003, 05:37 AM	#14
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,371	Quote: Originally posted by BillyTK "The anti-american left has no class"? :rotfl: That's a really funny, if unintentional, pun! Yeah. They killed off all of the anti-americans with class. Now the only ones left are the crude ones.

29th April 2003, 05:50 AM	#15
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	I've seen websites that sell shirts saying "Fucq Iraq" and the like. Then there's that country guy who sings that "Have You Forgotten" song. He's basically making a name and cashing in on peoples emotions with the war and 911. You dont think all the money hes making is going to charity do you?

29th April 2003, 07:13 AM	#16
crackmonkey Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,057	Nah, not even close. I suppose it would be the same thing if right-wing sites sold t-shirts with dead Iraqis pictured on it, with something like "Mess with the best, die like the rest' as the caption. Tasteless, shockingly dehumanizing, and just deeply wrong. I suppose 'taste' or 'class' isn't something that can be neatly defined, but one knows it when one sees it. The above site ain't it.