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Johnny Pneumatic · 11th January 2006, 02:52 PM

Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them...

Mojo · 11th January 2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by SkepticJ

You never see a Baptist with them...

Maybe the Catholics stole their crayons...

Melendwyr · 11th January 2006, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by SkepticJ

Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them...

That's because Baptists don't worship the One True God, who demonstrates his love for his followers by making them bleed severely.

Marquis de Carabas · 11th January 2006, 03:09 PM

Baptists get stigmata all the time, but since they believe the blood running out of their hands adds flavour to their potluck dishes, they never complain.

JLam · 11th January 2006, 05:04 PM

God Hates Baptists (TM)

c4ts · 11th January 2006, 05:34 PM

Anyone can get stigmata. All it takes is a sharp nail or letter opener and a high tolerance for stabbing oneself.

HeyLeroy · 11th January 2006, 06:09 PM

I read this book on the subject several years ago. I'd recommend it.

He basically put it down to mental illness and trickery, if I remember correctly.

blue_eastcoast · 11th January 2006, 06:11 PM

Can anyone even proves that this actually exists?! I think not

Iacchus · 11th January 2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by SkepticJ

Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them...

I don't know, why does the Devil almost always speak in Latin in horror movies?

c4ts · 11th January 2006, 08:44 PM

Everybody knows Japanese is the Devil's language.

David Swidler · 11th January 2006, 11:59 PM

Then why does he speak to me in French?

Rufo · 12th January 2006, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by David Swidler

Then why does he speak to me in French?

It's probably because he only considers you half antichrist.

No offense.

David Swidler · 12th January 2006, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Rufo

It's probably because he only considers you half antichrist.

No offense.

None taken, especially since you spelled it wrong.

Now try reacalculating with the actual spelling:
דוד סווידלר.

(For the rest of you who actually care but can't view Hebrew fonts, that's dalet-vav-dalet, samekh-vav-vav-yud-dalet-lamed-resh. The rest of you can go about your business).

brettDbass · 12th January 2006, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by HeyLeroy

I read this book on the subject several years ago. I'd recommend it.

He basically put it down to mental illness and trickery, if I remember correctly.

Ain't it funny how many of the Amazon reviewers seem to have come to a completely different conclusion on the findings of the book..? I wonder how they managed that.
It's almost as if they read it and selected the bits they wanted to believe and disregarded anything they didn't like, but nobody would do that, would they?

Rufo · 12th January 2006, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by David Swidler

None taken, especially since you spelled it wrong.

Again? Why are all my attempts to help you prove you're antichrist ruined by bad spelling? It must be some kind of curse. (Or the fact that I don't know any Hebrew.)

Quote:

Now try reacalculating with the actual spelling:
דוד סווידלר.

I get it to 330. Not too far from my result...
You don't happen to have a second name with a numerical value of 336?

Originally Posted by brettDbass

Ain't it funny how many of the Amazon reviewers seem to have come to a completely different conclusion on the findings of the book..? I wonder how they managed that.
It's almost as if they read it and selected the bits they wanted to believe and disregarded anything they didn't like, but nobody would do that, would they?

No, and especially not with a book about religion!

BeProf · 12th January 2006, 06:55 AM

The reason that Roman Catholics are the only ones that seem to get them is the same reason they're the only ones that see aparations of Mary: They're the only ones looking for them. Specifically, there's a Catholic dogma to the effect that our suffering adds to the "treasury of merit". Hence, asceticism, corporal mortification (i.e. self-flagellation, self-crucifixion, et al.) and stigmata.

I think they're mostly psychosomatic and probably at least a few cases of outright fraud. I see them as kind of like the Catholic version of speaking in tongues. People get themselves so worked up that all that emotion has to come out somewhere.

Abbyas · 12th January 2006, 07:03 AM

It also annoys me that all these stigmatas (stigmati?) have the hole in the center of the hand.

If anyone was crucified like that they would have fallen off the cross as the nail ripped through their hand.

If you want to emulate Christ, put that compass end in your wrist.

David Swidler · 12th January 2006, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by Rufo

Again? Why are all my attempts to help you prove you're antichrist ruined by bad spelling? It must be some kind of curse. (Or the fact that I don't know any Hebrew.)

I get it to 330. Not too far from my result...
You don't happen to have a second name with a numerical value of 336?

I do have a second name, value of 68: חיים

Play a while, knock yourself out. I'm busy plotting to rule the world (If they're gonna accuse me of it, I might as well reap the benefits).

c4ts · 12th January 2006, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Abbyas

It also annoys me that all these stigmatas (stigmati?) have the hole in the center of the hand.

If anyone was crucified like that they would have fallen off the cross as the nail ripped through their hand.

If you want to emulate Christ, put that compass end in your wrist.

I'm sure certain clever people have tried it.

Ipecac · 12th January 2006, 11:05 AM

On "My Name is Earl" (a great American TV show) last week Earl accidently fired a nail through his hand with a nailgun. The sexy Catalina responded to the effect of, "If you do that to the other hand, I'll take you down to my church so we can make some old ladies cry."

HeyLeroy · 12th January 2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by brettDbass

Ain't it funny how many of the Amazon reviewers seem to have come to a completely different conclusion on the findings of the book..? I wonder how they managed that.
It's almost as if they read it and selected the bits they wanted to believe and disregarded anything they didn't like, but nobody would do that, would they?

Yeah, *IF* this is the book I read (mine's in storage right now, can't get to it to confirm) those reviews toward the bottom more accurately reflect it. If you read the first two reviews you might believe that the book actually leaves an impression that the writer was somehow mystified over the phenomenon. Nuh-uh.

He makes a good case for a natural explanation. Now I gotta go dig up my book to see if this is it!

LawnOven · 12th January 2006, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Abbyas

It also annoys me that all these stigmatas (stigmati?) have the hole in the center of the hand.

If anyone was crucified like that they would have fallen off the cross as the nail ripped through their hand.

If you want to emulate Christ, put that compass end in your wrist.

Jesus's hands were infused with the power of God, therefore they could defy the laws of physics.

Can't logically argue out, what wasn't logically argued in.

HeyLeroy · 12th January 2006, 05:12 PM

I wonder if His Hands whistled when the wind blew?

epepke · 13th January 2006, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by SkepticJ

Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them...

Actually, I saw a teevee program, and part of it talked about a Baptist who exhibited stigmata.

Marc L · 13th January 2006, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by SkepticJ

Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them...

It has to do with the focus of the denomination. Catholics focus on the death of Jesus, while most Protestant groups focus on the resurrection and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This is why not too many Catholics speak in tongues.

Marc

CACTUSJACKmankin · 15th January 2006, 07:33 AM

Has anyone seen the National Geograghic Channel show Is It Real? They did a show on stigmata where a pair of scientists demonstrated several ways of inducing stigmata. One way involved chemical burns while another involved a razor bent in such a way that caused minimal pain and when scraped across the palm caused the blood to arrive so slowly that it appeared to come from nowhere. Stigmata is such an easy thing to fake on top of the fact that people have been caught in the act of fraud, thus the most reasonable conclusion is that a vast majority of stigmatics are self-induced wounds. Maybe 0.001% can be explained through the psychosomatic effect or other purely psycho-physical explanation.

11th January 2006, 02:52 PM	#1
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11th January 2006, 02:56 PM	#2
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11th January 2006, 03:04 PM	#3
Melendwyr Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,064	Originally Posted by SkepticJ Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them... That's because Baptists don't worship the One True God, who demonstrates his love for his followers by making them bleed severely.
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11th January 2006, 03:09 PM	#4
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11th January 2006, 05:04 PM	#5
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11th January 2006, 05:34 PM	#6
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Anyone can get stigmata. All it takes is a sharp nail or letter opener and a high tolerance for stabbing oneself.
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11th January 2006, 06:09 PM	#7
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,565	I read this book on the subject several years ago. I'd recommend it. He basically put it down to mental illness and trickery, if I remember correctly.
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11th January 2006, 06:11 PM	#8
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11th January 2006, 07:35 PM	#9
Iacchus Suspended Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 10,085	Originally Posted by SkepticJ Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them... I don't know, why does the Devil almost always speak in Latin in horror movies?

11th January 2006, 08:44 PM	#10
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Everybody knows Japanese is the Devil's language.
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11th January 2006, 11:59 PM	#11
David Swidler Carrot Mohel Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Right here, obviously. Posts: 8,302	Then why does he speak to me in French?

12th January 2006, 01:29 AM	#12
Rufo Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,196	Originally Posted by David Swidler Then why does he speak to me in French? It's probably because he only considers you half antichrist. No offense.
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12th January 2006, 02:12 AM	#13
David Swidler Carrot Mohel Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Right here, obviously. Posts: 8,302	Originally Posted by Rufo It's probably because he only considers you half antichrist. No offense. None taken, especially since you spelled it wrong. Now try reacalculating with the actual spelling: דוד סווידלר. (For the rest of you who actually care but can't view Hebrew fonts, that's dalet-vav-dalet, samekh-vav-vav-yud-dalet-lamed-resh. The rest of you can go about your business).

12th January 2006, 03:10 AM	#14
brettDbass Kurious Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Birmingham School Of Business School (Leicester branch) Posts: 1,361	Originally Posted by HeyLeroy I read this book on the subject several years ago. I'd recommend it. He basically put it down to mental illness and trickery, if I remember correctly. Ain't it funny how many of the Amazon reviewers seem to have come to a completely different conclusion on the findings of the book..? I wonder how they managed that. It's almost as if they read it and selected the bits they wanted to believe and disregarded anything they didn't like, but nobody would do that, would they?
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12th January 2006, 04:11 AM	#15
Rufo Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,196	Originally Posted by David Swidler None taken, especially since you spelled it wrong. Again? Why are all my attempts to help you prove you're antichrist ruined by bad spelling? It must be some kind of curse. (Or the fact that I don't know any Hebrew.) Quote: Now try reacalculating with the actual spelling: דוד סווידלר. I get it to 330. Not too far from my result... You don't happen to have a second name with a numerical value of 336? Originally Posted by brettDbass Ain't it funny how many of the Amazon reviewers seem to have come to a completely different conclusion on the findings of the book..? I wonder how they managed that. It's almost as if they read it and selected the bits they wanted to believe and disregarded anything they didn't like, but nobody would do that, would they? No, and especially not with a book about religion!
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12th January 2006, 06:55 AM	#16
BeProf Student Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: State College, PA Posts: 44	The reason that Roman Catholics are the only ones that seem to get them is the same reason they're the only ones that see aparations of Mary: They're the only ones looking for them. Specifically, there's a Catholic dogma to the effect that our suffering adds to the "treasury of merit". Hence, asceticism, corporal mortification (i.e. self-flagellation, self-crucifixion, et al.) and stigmata. I think they're mostly psychosomatic and probably at least a few cases of outright fraud. I see them as kind of like the Catholic version of speaking in tongues. People get themselves so worked up that all that emotion has to come out somewhere.

12th January 2006, 07:03 AM	#17
Abbyas Muse Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 686	Yeah It also annoys me that all these stigmatas (stigmati?) have the hole in the center of the hand. If anyone was crucified like that they would have fallen off the cross as the nail ripped through their hand. If you want to emulate Christ, put that compass end in your wrist.

12th January 2006, 07:40 AM	#18
David Swidler Carrot Mohel Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Right here, obviously. Posts: 8,302	Originally Posted by Rufo Again? Why are all my attempts to help you prove you're antichrist ruined by bad spelling? It must be some kind of curse. (Or the fact that I don't know any Hebrew.) I get it to 330. Not too far from my result... You don't happen to have a second name with a numerical value of 336? I do have a second name, value of 68: חיים Play a while, knock yourself out. I'm busy plotting to rule the world (If they're gonna accuse me of it, I might as well reap the benefits).

12th January 2006, 08:25 AM	#19
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Originally Posted by Abbyas It also annoys me that all these stigmatas (stigmati?) have the hole in the center of the hand. If anyone was crucified like that they would have fallen off the cross as the nail ripped through their hand. If you want to emulate Christ, put that compass end in your wrist. I'm sure certain clever people have tried it.
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12th January 2006, 11:05 AM	#20
Ipecac Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,852	On "My Name is Earl" (a great American TV show) last week Earl accidently fired a nail through his hand with a nailgun. The sexy Catalina responded to the effect of, "If you do that to the other hand, I'll take you down to my church so we can make some old ladies cry."
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12th January 2006, 11:13 AM	#21
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,565	Originally Posted by brettDbass Ain't it funny how many of the Amazon reviewers seem to have come to a completely different conclusion on the findings of the book..? I wonder how they managed that. It's almost as if they read it and selected the bits they wanted to believe and disregarded anything they didn't like, but nobody would do that, would they? Yeah, IF this is the book I read (mine's in storage right now, can't get to it to confirm) those reviews toward the bottom more accurately reflect it. If you read the first two reviews you might believe that the book actually leaves an impression that the writer was somehow mystified over the phenomenon. Nuh-uh. He makes a good case for a natural explanation. Now I gotta go dig up my book to see if this is it!
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12th January 2006, 01:00 PM	#22
LawnOven robot Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,306	Originally Posted by Abbyas It also annoys me that all these stigmatas (stigmati?) have the hole in the center of the hand. If anyone was crucified like that they would have fallen off the cross as the nail ripped through their hand. If you want to emulate Christ, put that compass end in your wrist. Jesus's hands were infused with the power of God, therefore they could defy the laws of physics. Can't logically argue out, what wasn't logically argued in.
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12th January 2006, 05:12 PM	#23
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13th January 2006, 06:40 AM	#24
epepke Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,953	Originally Posted by SkepticJ Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them... Actually, I saw a teevee program, and part of it talked about a Baptist who exhibited stigmata.
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13th January 2006, 08:08 AM	#25
Marc L Thread Killer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,743	Originally Posted by SkepticJ Stigmata, doesn't anybody clue in to the fact that only Catholics have these markings? You never see a Baptist with them... It has to do with the focus of the denomination. Catholics focus on the death of Jesus, while most Protestant groups focus on the resurrection and the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This is why not too many Catholics speak in tongues. Marc
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15th January 2006, 07:33 AM	#26
CACTUSJACKmankin Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 279	Has anyone seen the National Geograghic Channel show Is It Real? They did a show on stigmata where a pair of scientists demonstrated several ways of inducing stigmata. One way involved chemical burns while another involved a razor bent in such a way that caused minimal pain and when scraped across the palm caused the blood to arrive so slowly that it appeared to come from nowhere. Stigmata is such an easy thing to fake on top of the fact that people have been caught in the act of fraud, thus the most reasonable conclusion is that a vast majority of stigmatics are self-induced wounds. Maybe 0.001% can be explained through the psychosomatic effect or other purely psycho-physical explanation.