Horseriding Health machines do they work?

Jyera · 22nd January 2006, 08:21 PM

I found this device used for maintaining health.

It is called iGallop from Osim.
http://shop.osim.biz/shop/details.as...=1314&pID=1604

Another one is called JOBA from National.
http://national.jp/kenko/exercise/joba/

They apparently worked by simulating horseriding. The moving machine makes you try to maintain balance and thus move and use up energy.

IIRC have heard some BBC show where an expert says that fidgety children do not get fat. Because they fidget and use energy even when they are watching a show on TV. Thus I reasoned that the iGallop makes even lazy people "fidget" and thus should achieve result of slimming.

Some have comment that it isn't a proper workout.I think that is true. But then again fidgety children don't workout either, and they stay slim.
Moreover for people who don't like to exercise, it might be good.

It cost $998, and Consumption: 50W (without load) 120W (with load)

Is it possible to analyse scientifically whether if it really work?
Is it really worth the while?

AnotherSillyAlias · 22nd January 2006, 08:25 PM

I have no idea if these things do what they say, (I suspect not), but, being heavily into the horse riding thing myself, I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I saw those pics.

Falling off your chair is not healthy!

Jyera · 22nd January 2006, 08:46 PM

Trust me that, I would consider these as, rather "sensible" health machine, compared to some other even more weird products.

Since you are a rider, would you say, if a person start riding a horse every day for an hour. Will it help you slim down?

Does people in country with horses, slim down by picking up horse riding as a sport?

AnotherSillyAlias · 22nd January 2006, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jyera

Trust me that, I would consider these as, rather "sensible" health machine, compared to some other even more weird products.

Since you are a rider, would you say, if a person start riding a horse every day for an hour. Will it help you slim down?

Does people in country with horses, slim down by picking up horse riding as a sport?

Not necessarily. There are lots of different horse sports. Some of the more active sports like endurance, (my thing), or possibly eventing will entail a certain amount of exercise and, obviously, the lighter you are the easier it will be for the horse. Riding though tends to strengthen lots of muscles, including some you never knew you had

, but I've never heard of anyone losing weight because of it.

I'd say it was a bit of a scam.

LordoftheLeftHand · 23rd January 2006, 10:10 AM

Well obviously anytime you flex a muscle you expend energy so in theory something like this could make you lose weight, but I'm sure there are much more efficient (time spent vs. calories burned) ways.

You can also lose weights with magnets! Sure just tape a 100lb magnet to you back then go about your daily routine. Be amazed as the pounds just fly off!

LLH

homer · 23rd January 2006, 12:10 PM

Looks like a replica from the Spanish Inquisition .

Goshawk · 23rd January 2006, 01:17 PM

If "fidgeting" prevented you from gaining excess weight, then adults and children with ADHD should never be obese. However...

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=130024

Quote:

Conclusions.

ADHD was highly prevalent among obese patients and highest in those with extreme obesity.

Ah, well, another theory is unsupported by fact and bites the dust.

Jyera · 23rd January 2006, 06:42 PM

Goshawk, I found more info in the article you provided.

Quote:

"None of the ADHD group had a level of hyperactivity-impulsivity meeting DSM-IV criteria, therefore all were classifiable as having Inattentive Type of ADHD."

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=130024

So this particular group of ADHD persons are not quite "fidgety".

Further more, it is about "ADHD(non-hyper-type) prevalent in obsese patient", and not "Obesity prevalent within ADHD patient".

Moreover, it remains to be explored, the effectiveness and limitation of "forced-fidgeting".

Jyera · 23rd January 2006, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by LordoftheLeftHand

Well obviously anytime you flex a muscle you expend energy so in theory something like this could make you lose weight, but I'm sure there are much more efficient (time spent vs. calories burned) ways.

You can also lose weights with magnets! Sure just tape a 100lb magnet to you back then go about your daily routine. Be amazed as the pounds just fly off!

LLH

I can imagine some fat person complaining that he has already been carrying his heavy "spare-tyre" around for ages.

With no apparent improvement.

Jyera · 23rd January 2006, 07:01 PM

I wonder how much calories will be burnt while using on the horserider wholeday, just reading a book.

Perhaps insignificant, but how insignificant?

Presume I drink coke while I read on the horserider, how many hour will I need to remove the calorie due to the coke?

AnotherSillyAlias · 23rd January 2006, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jyera

I wonder how much calories will be burnt while using on the horserider wholeday, just reading a book.

Perhaps insignificant, but how insignificant?

Presume I drink coke while I read on the horserider, how many hour will I need to remove the calorie due to the coke?

The thing is a joke, forget it. If you want to lose the calories gained by drinking a coke, run to the store and back again. Better still, drink some water or maybe a fruit juice.

Amapola · 24th January 2006, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jyera

Trust me that, I would consider these as, rather "sensible" health machine, compared to some other even more weird products.

Since you are a rider, would you say, if a person start riding a horse every day for an hour. Will it help you slim down?

Does people in country with horses, slim down by picking up horse riding as a sport?

Riding horses can help a person get fit, but I think it is the whole deal, not just the riding part that does it.

If you ride horses you also end up doing stuff like carrying heavy buckets of water and lifting them into place, going out to the pasture to catch the horse, carrying 75 lb bales of hay around, lifting saddles onto the back of the horse, cleaning the stables, hauling 50 lb sacks of feed into the barn etc. etc. etc. Riding itself can be more work than people realize but I think these other activities really help to keep a person fit. Note that I did not say "skinny". I said "fit". If your current level of activity is below what I am describing here, and you don't start eating more, you would most likely lose weight. (Sometimes there can be other reasons why a person does not lose weight, but having a high activity level and eating less usually works.)

As far as those "horse rider" machines, you know......... a rocking chair is a LOT cheaper. You could also get a footrest and wobble around on that. And, if you quit drinking coke and drank water instead, you would save even more money. Use the spare money for riding lessons.

roger · 24th January 2006, 08:05 AM

I think this thing helps your health in exactly the same way the slim "massage wands" do. By providing "soothing, comforting vibrations" and "releasing tensions."

Soapy Sam · 24th January 2006, 08:12 AM

Real horseriding tends to involve carrying buckets, mucking out stables, walking to and fro. There's actually a lot of physical activity even before you get on the nag. The postural aspects of horse riding seem pretty good for general mobility and you do use a lot of muscles controlling a horse.
Also you get out in the open air, with convivial company, red cheeks, fresh air, stirrup cups etc. Damn sound, character building stuff. *

*One or two individuals here may recognise this as sarcasm.

However it's a well known fact that NO exercise machines keep you fit, as the only calories you actually burn are the day you assemble the thing and the day you take it to the dump.

Jyera · 24th January 2006, 05:22 PM

So it seems we could reccommend the following to people who wish to get the "horseriding" Health machine.

A Rocking chair.

There is even one for the family storytelling time.

And a rocking horse...

No operating cost due to electricity
+ Extra fat burning feature (due to the need to rock the horse yourself.)

22nd January 2006, 08:21 PM	#1
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736	Horseriding Health machines do they work? I found this device used for maintaining health. It is called iGallop from Osim. http://shop.osim.biz/shop/details.as...=1314&pID=1604 Another one is called JOBA from National. http://national.jp/kenko/exercise/joba/ They apparently worked by simulating horseriding. The moving machine makes you try to maintain balance and thus move and use up energy. IIRC have heard some BBC show where an expert says that fidgety children do not get fat. Because they fidget and use energy even when they are watching a show on TV. Thus I reasoned that the iGallop makes even lazy people "fidget" and thus should achieve result of slimming. Some have comment that it isn't a proper workout.I think that is true. But then again fidgety children don't workout either, and they stay slim. Moreover for people who don't like to exercise, it might be good. It cost $998, and Consumption: 50W (without load) 120W (with load) Is it possible to analyse scientifically whether if it really work? Is it really worth the while?
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736

22nd January 2006, 08:25 PM	#2
AnotherSillyAlias Vortex of Despair Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sheep country, Eastern Oz Posts: 1,585	I have no idea if these things do what they say, (I suspect not), but, being heavily into the horse riding thing myself, I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I saw those pics. Falling off your chair is not healthy!
	__________________ "It's not that sicence doesn't agree so I ignore it, it's that I know what science knows, but also what is beyond science, so therefore, I also know when it is wrong" - Kilik -

22nd January 2006, 08:46 PM	#3
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736	Trust me that, I would consider these as, rather "sensible" health machine, compared to some other even more weird products. Since you are a rider, would you say, if a person start riding a horse every day for an hour. Will it help you slim down? Does people in country with horses, slim down by picking up horse riding as a sport?
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736

22nd January 2006, 09:07 PM	#4
AnotherSillyAlias Vortex of Despair Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sheep country, Eastern Oz Posts: 1,585	Originally Posted by Jyera Trust me that, I would consider these as, rather "sensible" health machine, compared to some other even more weird products. Since you are a rider, would you say, if a person start riding a horse every day for an hour. Will it help you slim down? Does people in country with horses, slim down by picking up horse riding as a sport? Not necessarily. There are lots of different horse sports. Some of the more active sports like endurance, (my thing), or possibly eventing will entail a certain amount of exercise and, obviously, the lighter you are the easier it will be for the horse. Riding though tends to strengthen lots of muscles, including some you never knew you had , but I've never heard of anyone losing weight because of it. I'd say it was a bit of a scam.
	__________________ "It's not that sicence doesn't agree so I ignore it, it's that I know what science knows, but also what is beyond science, so therefore, I also know when it is wrong" - Kilik -

23rd January 2006, 06:42 PM	#8
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736	Goshawk, I found more info in the article you provided. Quote: "None of the ADHD group had a level of hyperactivity-impulsivity meeting DSM-IV criteria, therefore all were classifiable as having Inattentive Type of ADHD." http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=130024 So this particular group of ADHD persons are not quite "fidgety". Further more, it is about "ADHD(non-hyper-type) prevalent in obsese patient", and not "Obesity prevalent within ADHD patient". Moreover, it remains to be explored, the effectiveness and limitation of "forced-fidgeting".
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736

23rd January 2006, 10:10 AM	#5
LordoftheLeftHand Dominus Sinistrae Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,161	Well obviously anytime you flex a muscle you expend energy so in theory something like this could make you lose weight, but I'm sure there are much more efficient (time spent vs. calories burned) ways. You can also lose weights with magnets! Sure just tape a 100lb magnet to you back then go about your daily routine. Be amazed as the pounds just fly off! LLH

23rd January 2006, 12:10 PM	#6
homer Thinker Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Devon England Posts: 221	Looks like a replica from the Spanish Inquisition .

23rd January 2006, 01:17 PM	#7
Goshawk Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Decatur, Illinois, USA Posts: 1,324	If "fidgeting" prevented you from gaining excess weight, then adults and children with ADHD should never be obese. However... http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=130024 Quote: Conclusions. ADHD was highly prevalent among obese patients and highest in those with extreme obesity. Ah, well, another theory is unsupported by fact and bites the dust.

23rd January 2006, 06:48 PM	#9
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736	Originally Posted by LordoftheLeftHand Well obviously anytime you flex a muscle you expend energy so in theory something like this could make you lose weight, but I'm sure there are much more efficient (time spent vs. calories burned) ways. You can also lose weights with magnets! Sure just tape a 100lb magnet to you back then go about your daily routine. Be amazed as the pounds just fly off! LLH I can imagine some fat person complaining that he has already been carrying his heavy "spare-tyre" around for ages. With no apparent improvement.
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736

23rd January 2006, 07:01 PM	#10
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736	I wonder how much calories will be burnt while using on the horserider wholeday, just reading a book. Perhaps insignificant, but how insignificant? Presume I drink coke while I read on the horserider, how many hour will I need to remove the calorie due to the coke?
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736

23rd January 2006, 07:07 PM	#11
AnotherSillyAlias Vortex of Despair Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sheep country, Eastern Oz Posts: 1,585	Originally Posted by Jyera I wonder how much calories will be burnt while using on the horserider wholeday, just reading a book. Perhaps insignificant, but how insignificant? Presume I drink coke while I read on the horserider, how many hour will I need to remove the calorie due to the coke? The thing is a joke, forget it. If you want to lose the calories gained by drinking a coke, run to the store and back again. Better still, drink some water or maybe a fruit juice.
	__________________ "It's not that sicence doesn't agree so I ignore it, it's that I know what science knows, but also what is beyond science, so therefore, I also know when it is wrong" - Kilik -

24th January 2006, 07:59 AM	#12
Amapola Pirate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mora, New Mexico Posts: 6,778	Originally Posted by Jyera Trust me that, I would consider these as, rather "sensible" health machine, compared to some other even more weird products. Since you are a rider, would you say, if a person start riding a horse every day for an hour. Will it help you slim down? Does people in country with horses, slim down by picking up horse riding as a sport? Riding horses can help a person get fit, but I think it is the whole deal, not just the riding part that does it. If you ride horses you also end up doing stuff like carrying heavy buckets of water and lifting them into place, going out to the pasture to catch the horse, carrying 75 lb bales of hay around, lifting saddles onto the back of the horse, cleaning the stables, hauling 50 lb sacks of feed into the barn etc. etc. etc. Riding itself can be more work than people realize but I think these other activities really help to keep a person fit. Note that I did not say "skinny". I said "fit". If your current level of activity is below what I am describing here, and you don't start eating more, you would most likely lose weight. (Sometimes there can be other reasons why a person does not lose weight, but having a high activity level and eating less usually works.) As far as those "horse rider" machines, you know......... a rocking chair is a LOT cheaper. You could also get a footrest and wobble around on that. And, if you quit drinking coke and drank water instead, you would save even more money. Use the spare money for riding lessons.

24th January 2006, 08:05 AM	#13
roger Philosopher Join Date: May 2002 Location: Golden CO, USA Posts: 8,547	I think this thing helps your health in exactly the same way the slim "massage wands" do. By providing "soothing, comforting vibrations" and "releasing tensions."

24th January 2006, 08:12 AM	#14
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19,929	Real horseriding tends to involve carrying buckets, mucking out stables, walking to and fro. There's actually a lot of physical activity even before you get on the nag. The postural aspects of horse riding seem pretty good for general mobility and you do use a lot of muscles controlling a horse. Also you get out in the open air, with convivial company, red cheeks, fresh air, stirrup cups etc. Damn sound, character building stuff. * *One or two individuals here may recognise this as sarcasm. However it's a well known fact that NO exercise machines keep you fit, as the only calories you actually burn are the day you assemble the thing and the day you take it to the dump.
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 19,929

24th January 2006, 05:22 PM	#15
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736	So it seems we could reccommend the following to people who wish to get the "horseriding" Health machine. A Rocking chair. There is even one for the family storytelling time. And a rocking horse... No operating cost due to electricity + Extra fat burning feature (due to the need to rock the horse yourself.)
Jyera Muse Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 736