Is there anyone who is interested in One Million Dollar Prize Money?

Dr. A Sheikh · 13th February 2006, 11:09 AM

Dr. MAS organization has offered One Million Dollar prize money.

Quote:

Number No. 1: I have no objection on JREF prize. But we are now in a position to award you prizes rather to take prizes. If you are interested to win the pirze then we also offer you the same amount.

Number No. 2: You also have chance to prove homeopaths wrong on the same terms and conditions. You can also get rich.

Number No. 3: We don't need your assistance in filing an application but we offer you if you want our assistance we are ready to assist you so that you can directly apply to WHCC.

Number No. 4: We have removed all the hurdles of the provers / challengers. The process is very simple:

a. First write down the claim which you want to prove? To make an easy task and accessible for everyone, we are not offering anything to prove. Just tell us what you want to prove and submit. WHCC prize for One Million "Dollar" (Amount Increased) is applicable for everything which you want to prove.

b. Submit your claim and proving along with your complete CV in written at our office located at Kharian Pakistan.

Number No. 5: We have settled the problem of homeopathy for ever.

There is no issue.

a. Homeopathic potencies and medicines have material.

b. The physiological action of the homeopathic medicines are same as it is admissible in allopathy.

The problem is solved. No issue left.

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=584

If any body wants my assistance I am here to provide you help.

Admiral · 13th February 2006, 11:16 AM

The rules seem somewhat unclear, but it looks like the organization is offering 1 million dollars to anyone who can prove homeopathy wrong. (Correct me if I misunderstood.)

drkitten · 13th February 2006, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Dr. MAS organization has offered One Million Dollar prize money.

What organization is this? Where is it located? Is there any evidence available that the organization actually has the money available to be paid? Who is the person responsible for receiving correspondence regarding this prize?

If genuine, this looks like a very worthwhile offer -- and I assure you I will be able to make (and defend) an appropriate claim.

anor277 · 13th February 2006, 11:27 AM

Just to avail myself of Dr Sheikh's generous offer of assistance, I have two questions.

(i) In what currency is the prize awarded? Euros, US dollars, Australian dollars, or some unspecified currency of little actual value?

(ii) How do we know that the million dollars actually exists? Will you provide details of the account so that we know the money is actually there? I am unwilling to rely on Dr Mas' good faith in this respect, and nor should anyone else give Dr Mas' record of evasion and misrepresentation.

Hawk one · 13th February 2006, 11:29 AM

Quote:

b. The physiological action of the homeopathic medicines are same as it is admissible in allopathy.

This is even sort of true. An allopathic remedy that's been dilluted as much as your typical homeopathic remedy will have the same physiological actions: None.

Also, allopathy was abandonded 200 years ago. What makes you think that comparing homeopathy to another principle that's been shown to be wrong will make homeopathy more legitimate?

Finally, let me repeat that homeopathy is still eligible for the JREF prize. Stop lying, stop evading the subject, and stop delaying. Apply for the prize, and show us that homeopathy actually works.

drkitten · 13th February 2006, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by anor277

(ii) How do we know that the million dollars actually exists? Will you provide details of the account so that we know the money is actually there?

I should note in passing that this isn't an unreasonable request; the JREF, for example, is perfectly willing to provide such details through Goldman-Sachs (as well as the formal details of the organization of the JREF itself, such as its directors, location of incorporation, and so forth.)

Can we expect "Dr MAS" to be equally forthcoming and open?

El Greco · 13th February 2006, 11:37 AM

I would like to apply and my claim which I intend to prove is that you don't have the money.

MWare · 13th February 2006, 12:03 PM

Dr. Sheikh, I understand that English is not your first language, but it is very difficult for me to understand what exactly you are saying in many of your e-mails. Since recently you've taken to offering $1M for something, I'd really like to understand what the rules are. Thus I have attempted to translate your "rules". I am simply trying to understand you from a purely grammatical standpoint and I am not advocating or challenging anything you are saying. English is not an easy language - especially when it is not your native language so please don't misunderstand my intentions here.

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Number No. 1: I have no objection on JREF prize. But we are now in a position to award you prizes rather to take prizes. If you are interested to win the pirze then we also offer you the same amount.

Translation: 1) I have no objection to JREF's Million Dollar Challenge. We are now in a position to offer a prize of our own. We will also award $1M dollars to the winner of our challenge.

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Number No. 2: You also have chance to prove homeopaths wrong on the same terms and conditions. You can also get rich.

Translation: 2) This is an opportunity to prove homeopaths wrong using the same terms and conditions of the JREF challenge. You can get rich.

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

We don't need your assistance in filing an application but we offer you if you want our assistance we are ready to assist you so that you can directly apply to WHCC.

Translation: 3) We do not want help in filling out a JREF challenge application. We will assist you in applying for our challenge directly with WHCC.

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Number No. 4: We have removed all the hurdles of the provers / challengers. The process is very simple:

Translation: 4) We have removed the hurdles involved in all parties participating in the challenge and the process is simple:

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

First write down the claim which you want to prove? To make an easy task and accessible for everyone, we are not offering anything to prove. Just tell us what you want to prove and submit. WHCC prize for One Million "Dollar" (Amount Increased) is applicable for everything which you want to prove.

Translation: 4a) Write down the claim which you will prove. To make it simple we are not stating what you will prove, you can prove anything you wish. The WHCC will be awarded for proving anything you wish to prove.

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

b. Submit your claim and proving along with your complete CV in written at our office located at Kharian Pakistan.

Translation: 4b) Submit your claim and how you will prove it as well as a complete CV to our office in Kharian Pakistan.

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Number No. 5: We have settled the problem of homeopathy for ever.

Translation: 5) We have already ended any dispute over the effectiveness of homeopathy. There is nothing more to dispute.

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

a. Homeopathic potencies and medicines have material.

Translation: 5a) Homeopathic dosages and homeopathic medicine is effective.

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

b. The physiological action of the homeopathic medicines are same as it is admissible in allopathy.

Translation: 6b) Homeopathic dosages and medicines work in the same manner as allopathic dosages and medicines.

Ok. Now is this what you are trying to say or have I misunderstood.

Garrette · 13th February 2006, 12:32 PM

The following is written with the full expectation that this is not a legitimate challenge at all but with that expectation momentarily laid aside

Given that a requirement is the submission of a CV it appears obvious that judging will not be solely on the merits of the proof. A very poor start.

Given that no address for the organization is supplied (just a town or province) it appears likely that no organization with this money actually exists.

Given that the application must be submitted "in written at our office" it appears that they are using their geographic location as an obstacle by precluding mailing.

Dr. Mas and the collective remain liars, quacks, frauds, deceivers, charlatans, thieves, conmen, abusers-of-the-ill-and-gullible, and all around bad eggs.

I could be wrong, though.

Tricky · 13th February 2006, 12:47 PM

I have a question Dr. Sheikh. Do I only have to prove it wrong once, or do I have to prove that homeopathy is wrong every single time. I will happily prove it wrong once by drinking homeopathic poison.

However if you tell me that doesn't count, I'll prove it wrong by twice washing my hair with homeopathic shampoo.

If you tell me that won't count, I'll prove it doesn't work three times by showing you can't unclog noses using homeopathic Vicks.

I'm betting there are an unending number of cases you won't accept as proving homeopathy doesn't work, because I'll bet you're asking someone to prove it wrong every time.

However, you could prove me wrong by saying that you will accept any of these three challenges. And, of course, by proving you have the money.

JamesM · 13th February 2006, 01:00 PM

What's the betting that this is another devilishly clever ruse from Dr MAS (the M stands for Moriarity, I expect)? I predict some sort of seemingly innocuous statement from a skeptic, like "homeopathic remedies contain molecules", will lead inscrutably a multi-coloured 'victory' post.

ChristineR · 13th February 2006, 01:08 PM

My guess is that he's somehow going to turn this into a JREF challenge. He wants someone to say that his version of homeopathy (with non-homepathic dilutions) is paranormal. Or something. Anyhow, he's going to come back and say "And you should apply to Mr. Randi with your claim that homeopathic poisons are harmless, because I know better!"

Psiload · 13th February 2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Dr. MAS organization has offered One Million Dollar prize money.

If any body wants my assistance I am here to provide you help.

I have one simple request...

Please describe one theoretical situation that would result in your prize being successfully awarded.

Just one. One simple example of how one would go about claiming your prize.

If you can't give an example, then ask yourself how anyone would go about accomplishing a task that you can't even describe.

Hitch · 13th February 2006, 01:32 PM

I just wonder if this is a homeopathic million dollars. One dollar diluted one million times.

Kochanski · 13th February 2006, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hitch

I just wonder if this is a homeopathic million dollars. One dollar diluted one million times.

Hhhhmm, then by Dr. A Sheikh's rules it would be just as effective to use to pay bills as any other million dollars, I like that thought, hey, then we can all say we are millionaires

Complexity · 13th February 2006, 02:02 PM

Nope.

Dr. A Sheikh · 13th February 2006, 03:27 PM

MWare, the post was taken from www.nch.ipbfree.com forum . Actually that mail was posted on LLH thread. Read that mail first to clear the situation.

Procedure for filing application:
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1. write down the complete "object" of your claim which you want to prove with reference to homeopathy in pricise form / short simple words.

2. write the complete procedure how will you prove your claim. Give detail

3. write experimental observations

4. Write result (what is proved)

5. send your documentary prove with your complete CV at the following address:

Dr. MAS
Iqbal Poly Homeopathic clinic
Attached with Main Police Station
Kharian, Pakistan
www.drmas.org
email: drmasvoice@hotmail.com
24 hours hot line: 0092-300-6263403

5. You can send your intimation or queries via Free sms through web server http://www.smspk.com/sms/index.html

a. Write your real name and press Log in
b. Just write 6263403 in mobile column
c. Write your message at "enter message here.... "
d. Press Send button

Note: WHCC will provide guranttee money also on court stamp papers. Only written application at WHCC office is acceptable. no application will be received through email.

For your information, the prize exists and it will be also be paid to winner.

Dr. A Sheikh · 13th February 2006, 03:28 PM

The last date to receive applications is 7th march 2006

eri · 13th February 2006, 03:43 PM

So you'll just assume that we did what we claimed to do? So if, say, I claimed to drink a gallon of homeopathic sleep aid and then pull an all-nighter, and I claim I did, do I win? Just like that?

Also, why do you need my full CV? Isn't my name enough? Or are you planning to get the million dollars for the prize money by selling names and addresses to advertising companies?

Flange Desire · 13th February 2006, 05:28 PM

Re OP: No.

gtc · 13th February 2006, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by eri

So you'll just assume that we did what we claimed to do? So if, say, I claimed to drink a gallon of homeopathic sleep aid and then pull an all-nighter, and I claim I did, do I win? Just like that?

Also, why do you need my full CV? Isn't my name enough? Or are you planning to get the million dollars for the prize money by selling names and addresses to advertising companies?

I do wonder whether this is all an elaborate Identity theft scam.

Also I do wonder whether Dr Mas etal could better serve Pakistan by volunteering to help feed and clothe the victims of the Earthquake or fighting to end corruption and religous intolerace, restore democracy and get jobs and education for the underclass. I guess trolling the internet is a much more noble cause.

Jeff Corey · 13th February 2006, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

...address

r. MAS
Iqbal Poly Homeopathic clinic
Attached with Main Police Station
....

Oh, I am so glad the police finally arrested this criminal person. I dearly hope he shall be attached in the Main Police Station for many, many years.
Such good news that no more gullible people will die from his worthless preparations.
O, frabjous day, calooh, callay.

Nucular · 13th February 2006, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

For your information, the prize exists and it will be also be paid to winner.

You were asked for evidence; all you did was restate it.

Also, you were asked for a hypothetical scenario which would result in the prize being awarded. You ignored this.

Sheikh, please:

1. Demonstrate somehow that the money exists

2. Describe an example of a successful claim.

You said you were here to help us in our application; please assist by providing answers to these questions. Thanks.

chance · 13th February 2006, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Dr. MAS organization has offered One Million Dollar prize money.

If any body wants my assistance I am here to provide you help.

Would this be an acceptable test?

Method:

a.) Send me any 50 bottles of your homeopathic substance (all different), but all in identical containers.

b.) I will remove all labelling, and replace it with my own labelling.

c.) I will return the bottles to you

d.) The challenge is for you to tell me which one is which.

Percentage correct can be negotiated, as can a referee, but my bet is that you will not get better than a ‘statistical’ guess.

Admiral · 13th February 2006, 09:59 PM

You have never explained what someone must do to win the prize. Sending in any claim, any claim at all, will win it? This hardly seems like a fair deal.

There is still no evidence the money exists. NONE, except your word. The JREF provides (as it is legally required to as a tax-exempt organization) a complete disclosure as to where the money is located- in a Goldman-Sachs bank. You're expecting people to pay to send an envelope to Pakistan including all their personal information because someone posts on a message board that they'll give a million dollars away?

This appears to be a very poorly thought out scam.

Please provide evidence the money is there and an example of something that could win the money. The JREF does this- they have a lengthy FAQ.

Zep · 13th February 2006, 10:04 PM

Please remember, folks, that "Dr. MAS" is probably not one person but many people sharing one account. We discovered this in the past, which is why they are called "The MAS Collective".

Sheikh is just another one of these MAS identities.

brettDbass · 14th February 2006, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

I do wonder whether this is all an elaborate Identity theft scam.

I've been having the same thought for a while.

I think the most "innocent" purpose behind this is for these people to obtain validated email addresses to sell on to spammers.
I think the most malevolent purpose behind it is identity theft, as gtc suggests.

Until there is a reply to the requests of evidence by all these other board users I will publicly stand by this statement of my belief.

Mojo · 14th February 2006, 11:14 AM

Hello again, Sheikh. Have you made any progress towards demonstrating that homoeopathy works in a double blinded trial? Remember that you have promised to quit homoeopathic practice forever if you cannot accomplish this.

There's a thread specially created for you to post your protocol and report your progress here.

Dr. A Sheikh · 14th February 2006, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Zep

Please remember, folks, that "Dr. MAS" is probably not one person but many people sharing one account. We discovered this in the past, which is why they are called "The MAS Collective".

Sheikh is just another one of these MAS identities.

Originally Posted by Complexity

Nope.

It means you have no query over the prize money. One day has gone. No application received.

Dr. A Sheikh · 14th February 2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Nucular

1. Demonstrate somehow that the money exists

2. Describe an example of a successful claim.

Questions not followed.

Hawk one · 14th February 2006, 01:06 PM

Quote:

It means you have no query over the prize money.

Are you blind?

We still have one main query about the prize money, which has been repeated over and over in this thread: Do they in fact exist? Can you show us real evidence that you have one million dollars available?

Donks · 14th February 2006, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Questions not followed.

1) Is there a way we could confirm the money exists, through an impartial partner? Say, by asking a bank or financial institution?

2) Could you name one way the prize could be won?
For instance, to win the JREF Million Dollar challenge you would have to demonstrate that you are able to distinguish between a 30C homeopathic remedy and the solvent alone.

LTC8K6 · 14th February 2006, 01:09 PM

1. Document that the prize money exists. Prove that you actually have the money and that it can be awarded to a successful applicant.

2. Give us an example of how the prize might be won. Write up a hypothetical claim that would win the prize. Give us a theoretical winning entry so that we have an idea of how your contest will work.

Dr. A Sheikh · 14th February 2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Hello again, Sheikh. Have you made any progress towards demonstrating that homoeopathy works in a double blinded trial? Remember that you have promised to quit homoeopathic practice forever if you cannot accomplish this.

There's a thread specially created for you to post your protocol and report your progress here.

Administrator of this forum put a wrong blame over me of doing spam and suspended my account. The above post has nothing to do with the topic running. I don't know why he cannot see what Mojo is doing in all threads. He has sent this post 37 times in nine threads.

Under the instruction by mas.org , we have slightly changed our policy.

Dr. A Sheikh · 14th February 2006, 01:18 PM

[quote=Hawk one;1444877]Are you blind?

We still have one main query about the prize money, which has been repeated over and over in this thread: Do they in fact exist?

YES

Can you show us real evidence that you have one million dollars available?

How?

Donks · 14th February 2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Administrator of this forum put a wrong blame over me of doing spam and suspended my account. The above post has nothing to do with the topic running. I don't know why he cannot see what Mojo is doing in all threads. He has sent this post 37 times in nine threads.

Under the instruction by mas.org , we have slightly changed our policy.

You were suspended for spamming, because after MAS got suspended by bumping almost every homeopathy related thread in this forum, you decided to do the same. One would have to be quite stupid to not see what that would lead to, so don't whine about it now.

Hawk one · 14th February 2006, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

How?

Do it like the JREF does: Make a special account with a bank and give us the name of the bank so we can contact them and let them confirm that the money exists. It's that simple.

LTC8K6 · 14th February 2006, 01:27 PM

I know, he is going to award the JREF million that he already won......

MWare · 14th February 2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by gtc

Also I do wonder whether Dr Mas etal could better serve Pakistan by volunteering to help feed and clothe the victims of the Earthquake

Oh but he did: http://www.otherhealth.com/printthread.php?t=6063

Just last year he was able to raise a whopping 78,000 rupees by between October 16th and November 8th 2005 to create a free homeopathic mobile van for earthquake victims (because many studies have shown how homeopathy can fix broken bones and shelter the homeless). That's $1,305 USD folks. Here we are only 3 months later and he's got $1 Million (USD?) that he's willing to give someone who apparently sends their resume and a letter which convinces him that everything he's ever written on a multitude of web forums is bunk. While MAS' web design is awful and medical beliefs are medieval, I believe he certainly has a promising career in fundraising.

So he had to beg the int'l community for a few thousand to aid earthquake victims, but somehow has a million on hand to reward at the drop of a hat. But then the question was posed, does this money exist? Well the same link above will give you all of the information about Mr. Saleem's bank or paypal accounts, although the paypal account seems to be listed as Al Omran Manual Carpentry. Probably just another MAS family business.

I can't go so far as to say that the whole lot of you Pakistani homeopaths who post on here and claim not to know one another are really just running some kind of confidence scam. But Dr. Sheikh (I use the honorific because it is your screenname, not out of any respect of your alleged credentials) you somehow manage to be both highly frustrating and oddly entertaining. You and MAS (which as far as I can tell is some kind of mystery of the trinity involving a multitude of relations of varying ages and disciplines) and the rest of the cult that makes up the WHCC clique really have no value on these forums.

I have had my opinion on a variety of subjects altered by posting and reading the threads on this forum, but none of you have even considered a change of heart on any issue. In addition, the entire lot of you post and repost the same rhetoric month in and month out ad nauseum with the repetitive monotony of a insurance seminar (with the difference being insurance seminars often provide useful information).

Thus you bring nothing to the community here. And even if you developed any reasonable arguments for your positions, you all have so squandered any benefit of the doubt that you may have been given that nobody even considers your posts to be any more than the mildly entertaining rants of madmen or frauds. It is a violation of forum rules to attack the person instead of their ideas but you have so failed to present any rational thought that anyone attempting to reason with you is simply fighting windmills. If this post is blocked or even if I am eternally banned from JREF for my comments here, I still feel really good finally getting some of this frustration out in the open.

As we all have guessed (probably when we first saw the thread name and the initial poster) there is no monetary reward here - only the bottomless rabbit hole of the deluded or fraudulent ideas of you and your comrades. I personally feel sorry for anyone in Pakistan who turns to any of you for medical advice or assistance. With each post you add to the embarrasment you're not even sensible enough to recognize. Your ideas are a sad testament to your country and your culture.

Psiload · 14th February 2006, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh

Questions not followed.

It's very simple. Please describe a hypothetical situation that would result in your prize being awarded.

I can easily do this for the JREF prize...

-A claimant provides 100 identical bottles. 50 of the bottles contain a 30C homeopathic preparation of the claimant's choosing, and the other 50 bottles contain stock solvent.

-The bottles are labeled, and placed in random order.

-The claimant identifies which bottles contain homeopathic preparations, and which contain stock solvent to 90% accuracy, or better, using any non-cheating method he/she sees fit to use.

-The prize is awarded.

There... see how easy that was? Now it's your turn.

Give us a simple outline of what steps could, theoretically, be taken to claim your prize.

You, of course, will not. Your challenge is a farce and you, good sir, are a clown.

13th February 2006, 11:09 AM	#1
Dr. A Sheikh Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pakistan Posts: 612	Is there anyone who is interested in One Million Dollar Prize Money? Dr. MAS organization has offered One Million Dollar prize money. Quote: Number No. 1: I have no objection on JREF prize. But we are now in a position to award you prizes rather to take prizes. If you are interested to win the pirze then we also offer you the same amount. Number No. 2: You also have chance to prove homeopaths wrong on the same terms and conditions. You can also get rich. Number No. 3: We don't need your assistance in filing an application but we offer you if you want our assistance we are ready to assist you so that you can directly apply to WHCC. Number No. 4: We have removed all the hurdles of the provers / challengers. The process is very simple: a. First write down the claim which you want to prove? To make an easy task and accessible for everyone, we are not offering anything to prove. Just tell us what you want to prove and submit. WHCC prize for One Million "Dollar" (Amount Increased) is applicable for everything which you want to prove. b. Submit your claim and proving along with your complete CV in written at our office located at Kharian Pakistan. Number No. 5: We have settled the problem of homeopathy for ever. There is no issue. a. Homeopathic potencies and medicines have material. b. The physiological action of the homeopathic medicines are same as it is admissible in allopathy. The problem is solved. No issue left. http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=584 If any body wants my assistance I am here to provide you help.
	__________________ Do you want to win ONE MILLION DOLLAR? Here you have a simple and fair chance >> Just prove what you want to prove anything about homeopathy and send your challenge claim along with your CV at WHCC office Pakistan. So for non of the skeptic has won the prize. Money is still pending for award. www.forum.nchpakistan.com

13th February 2006, 11:16 AM	#2
Admiral Commander of the Fleet of Justice Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 770	The rules seem somewhat unclear, but it looks like the organization is offering 1 million dollars to anyone who can prove homeopathy wrong. (Correct me if I misunderstood.)
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13th February 2006, 11:27 AM	#4
anor277 Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 270	Just to avail myself of Dr Sheikh's generous offer of assistance, I have two questions. (i) In what currency is the prize awarded? Euros, US dollars, Australian dollars, or some unspecified currency of little actual value? (ii) How do we know that the million dollars actually exists? Will you provide details of the account so that we know the money is actually there? I am unwilling to rely on Dr Mas' good faith in this respect, and nor should anyone else give Dr Mas' record of evasion and misrepresentation.
anor277 Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 270

13th February 2006, 11:29 AM	#5
Hawk one Bond Villain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Guitar Hero dressing room... Posts: 9,611	Quote: b. The physiological action of the homeopathic medicines are same as it is admissible in allopathy. This is even sort of true. An allopathic remedy that's been dilluted as much as your typical homeopathic remedy will have the same physiological actions: None. Also, allopathy was abandonded 200 years ago. What makes you think that comparing homeopathy to another principle that's been shown to be wrong will make homeopathy more legitimate? Finally, let me repeat that homeopathy is still eligible for the JREF prize. Stop lying, stop evading the subject, and stop delaying. Apply for the prize, and show us that homeopathy actually works.
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13th February 2006, 11:37 AM	#7
El Greco Summer worshipper Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Παρά θιν'αλός Posts: 11,147	I would like to apply and my claim which I intend to prove is that you don't have the money.
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13th February 2006, 11:19 AM	#3
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 16,294	Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh Dr. MAS organization has offered One Million Dollar prize money. What organization is this? Where is it located? Is there any evidence available that the organization actually has the money available to be paid? Who is the person responsible for receiving correspondence regarding this prize? If genuine, this looks like a very worthwhile offer -- and I assure you I will be able to make (and defend) an appropriate claim.

13th February 2006, 11:37 AM	#6
drkitten Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wits' End Posts: 16,294	Originally Posted by anor277 (ii) How do we know that the million dollars actually exists? Will you provide details of the account so that we know the money is actually there? I should note in passing that this isn't an unreasonable request; the JREF, for example, is perfectly willing to provide such details through Goldman-Sachs (as well as the formal details of the organization of the JREF itself, such as its directors, location of incorporation, and so forth.) Can we expect "Dr MAS" to be equally forthcoming and open?

13th February 2006, 12:03 PM	#8
MWare Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 666	Dr. Sheikh, I understand that English is not your first language, but it is very difficult for me to understand what exactly you are saying in many of your e-mails. Since recently you've taken to offering $1M for something, I'd really like to understand what the rules are. Thus I have attempted to translate your "rules". I am simply trying to understand you from a purely grammatical standpoint and I am not advocating or challenging anything you are saying. English is not an easy language - especially when it is not your native language so please don't misunderstand my intentions here. Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh Number No. 1: I have no objection on JREF prize. But we are now in a position to award you prizes rather to take prizes. If you are interested to win the pirze then we also offer you the same amount. Translation: 1) I have no objection to JREF's Million Dollar Challenge. We are now in a position to offer a prize of our own. We will also award $1M dollars to the winner of our challenge. Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh Number No. 2: You also have chance to prove homeopaths wrong on the same terms and conditions. You can also get rich. Translation: 2) This is an opportunity to prove homeopaths wrong using the same terms and conditions of the JREF challenge. You can get rich. Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh We don't need your assistance in filing an application but we offer you if you want our assistance we are ready to assist you so that you can directly apply to WHCC. Translation: 3) We do not want help in filling out a JREF challenge application. We will assist you in applying for our challenge directly with WHCC. Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh Number No. 4: We have removed all the hurdles of the provers / challengers. The process is very simple: Translation: 4) We have removed the hurdles involved in all parties participating in the challenge and the process is simple: Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh First write down the claim which you want to prove? To make an easy task and accessible for everyone, we are not offering anything to prove. Just tell us what you want to prove and submit. WHCC prize for One Million "Dollar" (Amount Increased) is applicable for everything which you want to prove. Translation: 4a) Write down the claim which you will prove. To make it simple we are not stating what you will prove, you can prove anything you wish. The WHCC will be awarded for proving anything you wish to prove. Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh b. Submit your claim and proving along with your complete CV in written at our office located at Kharian Pakistan. Translation: 4b) Submit your claim and how you will prove it as well as a complete CV to our office in Kharian Pakistan. Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh Number No. 5: We have settled the problem of homeopathy for ever. Translation: 5) We have already ended any dispute over the effectiveness of homeopathy. There is nothing more to dispute. Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh a. Homeopathic potencies and medicines have material. Translation: 5a) Homeopathic dosages and homeopathic medicine is effective. Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh b. The physiological action of the homeopathic medicines are same as it is admissible in allopathy. Translation: 6b) Homeopathic dosages and medicines work in the same manner as allopathic dosages and medicines. Ok. Now is this what you are trying to say or have I misunderstood.
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13th February 2006, 12:32 PM	#9
Garrette Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,926	The following is written with the full expectation that this is not a legitimate challenge at all but with that expectation momentarily laid aside Given that a requirement is the submission of a CV it appears obvious that judging will not be solely on the merits of the proof. A very poor start. Given that no address for the organization is supplied (just a town or province) it appears likely that no organization with this money actually exists. Given that the application must be submitted "in written at our office" it appears that they are using their geographic location as an obstacle by precluding mailing. Dr. Mas and the collective remain liars, quacks, frauds, deceivers, charlatans, thieves, conmen, abusers-of-the-ill-and-gullible, and all around bad eggs. I could be wrong, though.
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13th February 2006, 12:47 PM	#10
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 25,978	I have a question Dr. Sheikh. Do I only have to prove it wrong once, or do I have to prove that homeopathy is wrong every single time. I will happily prove it wrong once by drinking homeopathic poison. However if you tell me that doesn't count, I'll prove it wrong by twice washing my hair with homeopathic shampoo. If you tell me that won't count, I'll prove it doesn't work three times by showing you can't unclog noses using homeopathic Vicks. I'm betting there are an unending number of cases you won't accept as proving homeopathy doesn't work, because I'll bet you're asking someone to prove it wrong every time. However, you could prove me wrong by saying that you will accept any of these three challenges. And, of course, by proving you have the money.

13th February 2006, 01:00 PM	#11
JamesM Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,823	What's the betting that this is another devilishly clever ruse from Dr MAS (the M stands for Moriarity, I expect)? I predict some sort of seemingly innocuous statement from a skeptic, like "homeopathic remedies contain molecules", will lead inscrutably a multi-coloured 'victory' post.
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13th February 2006, 01:08 PM	#12
ChristineR Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,071	My guess is that he's somehow going to turn this into a JREF challenge. He wants someone to say that his version of homeopathy (with non-homepathic dilutions) is paranormal. Or something. Anyhow, he's going to come back and say "And you should apply to Mr. Randi with your claim that homeopathic poisons are harmless, because I know better!"
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13th February 2006, 01:27 PM	#13
Psiload Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,845	Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh Dr. MAS organization has offered One Million Dollar prize money. If any body wants my assistance I am here to provide you help. I have one simple request... Please describe one theoretical situation that would result in your prize being successfully awarded. Just one. One simple example of how one would go about claiming your prize. If you can't give an example, then ask yourself how anyone would go about accomplishing a task that you can't even describe.
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13th February 2006, 01:32 PM	#14
Hitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 661	I just wonder if this is a homeopathic million dollars. One dollar diluted one million times.
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13th February 2006, 01:54 PM	#15
Kochanski Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Anonymous Unimportant Place (not a secret Scorpion training facility for Shosuro ninjas) Posts: 2,014	Originally Posted by Hitch I just wonder if this is a homeopathic million dollars. One dollar diluted one million times. Hhhhmm, then by Dr. A Sheikh's rules it would be just as effective to use to pay bills as any other million dollars, I like that thought, hey, then we can all say we are millionaires
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13th February 2006, 02:02 PM	#16
Complexity The Woo Whisperer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eden Prairie, Minnesota, USA (a suburb of Minneapolis) Posts: 3,691	Nope.
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13th February 2006, 03:27 PM	#17
Dr. A Sheikh Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pakistan Posts: 612	MWare, the post was taken from www.nch.ipbfree.com forum . Actually that mail was posted on LLH thread. Read that mail first to clear the situation. Procedure for filing application: ----------------------------- 1. write down the complete "object" of your claim which you want to prove with reference to homeopathy in pricise form / short simple words. 2. write the complete procedure how will you prove your claim. Give detail 3. write experimental observations 4. Write result (what is proved) 5. send your documentary prove with your complete CV at the following address: Dr. MAS Iqbal Poly Homeopathic clinic Attached with Main Police Station Kharian, Pakistan www.drmas.org email: drmasvoice@hotmail.com 24 hours hot line: 0092-300-6263403 5. You can send your intimation or queries via Free sms through web server http://www.smspk.com/sms/index.html a. Write your real name and press Log in b. Just write 6263403 in mobile column c. Write your message at "enter message here.... " d. Press Send button Note: WHCC will provide guranttee money also on court stamp papers. Only written application at WHCC office is acceptable. no application will be received through email. For your information, the prize exists and it will be also be paid to winner.
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13th February 2006, 03:28 PM	#18
Dr. A Sheikh Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pakistan Posts: 612	The last date to receive applications is 7th march 2006
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13th February 2006, 03:43 PM	#19
eri Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere nearby, pointing and laughing. Posts: 459	So you'll just assume that we did what we claimed to do? So if, say, I claimed to drink a gallon of homeopathic sleep aid and then pull an all-nighter, and I claim I did, do I win? Just like that? Also, why do you need my full CV? Isn't my name enough? Or are you planning to get the million dollars for the prize money by selling names and addresses to advertising companies?
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13th February 2006, 05:28 PM	#20
Flange Desire Muse Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 572	Re OP: No.

13th February 2006, 05:35 PM	#21
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by eri So you'll just assume that we did what we claimed to do? So if, say, I claimed to drink a gallon of homeopathic sleep aid and then pull an all-nighter, and I claim I did, do I win? Just like that? Also, why do you need my full CV? Isn't my name enough? Or are you planning to get the million dollars for the prize money by selling names and addresses to advertising companies? I do wonder whether this is all an elaborate Identity theft scam. Also I do wonder whether Dr Mas etal could better serve Pakistan by volunteering to help feed and clothe the victims of the Earthquake or fighting to end corruption and religous intolerace, restore democracy and get jobs and education for the underclass. I guess trolling the internet is a much more noble cause.

13th February 2006, 06:10 PM	#22
Jeff Corey New York Skeptic Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,404	Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh ...addressr. MAS Iqbal Poly Homeopathic clinic Attached with Main Police Station .... Oh, I am so glad the police finally arrested this criminal person. I dearly hope he shall be attached in the Main Police Station for many, many years. Such good news that no more gullible people will die from his worthless preparations. O, frabjous day, calooh, callay.
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13th February 2006, 07:12 PM	#23
Nucular Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Brane 6, Brahman's Dream Posts: 3,038	Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh For your information, the prize exists and it will be also be paid to winner. You were asked for evidence; all you did was restate it. Also, you were asked for a hypothetical scenario which would result in the prize being awarded. You ignored this. Sheikh, please: 1. Demonstrate somehow that the money exists 2. Describe an example of a successful claim. You said you were here to help us in our application; please assist by providing answers to these questions. Thanks.
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13th February 2006, 08:16 PM	#24
chance Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 431	Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh Dr. MAS organization has offered One Million Dollar prize money. If any body wants my assistance I am here to provide you help. Would this be an acceptable test? Method: a.) Send me any 50 bottles of your homeopathic substance (all different), but all in identical containers. b.) I will remove all labelling, and replace it with my own labelling. c.) I will return the bottles to you d.) The challenge is for you to tell me which one is which. Percentage correct can be negotiated, as can a referee, but my bet is that you will not get better than a ‘statistical’ guess.
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13th February 2006, 09:59 PM	#25
Admiral Commander of the Fleet of Justice Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 770	You have never explained what someone must do to win the prize. Sending in any claim, any claim at all, will win it? This hardly seems like a fair deal. There is still no evidence the money exists. NONE, except your word. The JREF provides (as it is legally required to as a tax-exempt organization) a complete disclosure as to where the money is located- in a Goldman-Sachs bank. You're expecting people to pay to send an envelope to Pakistan including all their personal information because someone posts on a message board that they'll give a million dollars away? This appears to be a very poorly thought out scam. Please provide evidence the money is there and an example of something that could win the money. The JREF does this- they have a lengthy FAQ.
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13th February 2006, 10:04 PM	#26
Zep Guest Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 24,230	Please remember, folks, that "Dr. MAS" is probably not one person but many people sharing one account. We discovered this in the past, which is why they are called "The MAS Collective". Sheikh is just another one of these MAS identities.
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14th February 2006, 03:24 AM	#27
brettDbass Kurious Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Birmingham School Of Business School (Leicester branch) Posts: 1,320	Originally Posted by gtc I do wonder whether this is all an elaborate Identity theft scam. I've been having the same thought for a while. I think the most "innocent" purpose behind this is for these people to obtain validated email addresses to sell on to spammers. I think the most malevolent purpose behind it is identity theft, as gtc suggests. Until there is a reply to the requests of evidence by all these other board users I will publicly stand by this statement of my belief.
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14th February 2006, 11:14 AM	#28
Mojo Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 14,498	Hello again, Sheikh. Have you made any progress towards demonstrating that homoeopathy works in a double blinded trial? Remember that you have promised to quit homoeopathic practice forever if you cannot accomplish this. There's a thread specially created for you to post your protocol and report your progress here.
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14th February 2006, 01:01 PM	#29
Dr. A Sheikh Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pakistan Posts: 612	Originally Posted by Zep Please remember, folks, that "Dr. MAS" is probably not one person but many people sharing one account. We discovered this in the past, which is why they are called "The MAS Collective". Sheikh is just another one of these MAS identities. Originally Posted by Complexity Nope. It means you have no query over the prize money. One day has gone. No application received.
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14th February 2006, 01:03 PM	#30
Dr. A Sheikh Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pakistan Posts: 612	Originally Posted by Nucular 1. Demonstrate somehow that the money exists 2. Describe an example of a successful claim. Questions not followed.
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14th February 2006, 01:06 PM	#31
Hawk one Bond Villain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Guitar Hero dressing room... Posts: 9,611	Quote: It means you have no query over the prize money. Are you blind? We still have one main query about the prize money, which has been repeated over and over in this thread: Do they in fact exist? Can you show us real evidence that you have one million dollars available?
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14th February 2006, 01:07 PM	#32
Donks vBulletin God Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,321	Originally Posted by Dr. A Sheikh Questions not followed. 1) Is there a way we could confirm the money exists, through an impartial partner? Say, by asking a bank or financial institution? 2) Could you name one way the prize could be won? For instance, to win the JREF Million Dollar challenge you would have to demonstrate that you are able to distinguish between a 30C homeopathic remedy and the solvent alone.
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14th February 2006, 01:09 PM	#33
LTC8K6 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 6,762	1. Document that the prize money exists. Prove that you actually have the money and that it can be awarded to a successful applicant. 2. Give us an example of how the prize might be won. Write up a hypothetical claim that would win the prize. Give us a theoretical winning entry so that we have an idea of how your contest will work.

14th February 2006, 01:09 PM	#34
Dr. A Sheikh Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pakistan Posts: 612	Originally Posted by Mojo Hello again, Sheikh. Have you made any progress towards demonstrating that homoeopathy works in a double blinded trial? Remember that you have promised to quit homoeopathic practice forever if you cannot accomplish this. There's a thread specially created for you to post your protocol and report your progress here. Administrator of this forum put a wrong blame over me of doing spam and suspended my account. The above post has nothing to do with the topic running. I don't know why he cannot see what Mojo is doing in all threads. He has sent this post 37 times in nine threads. Under the instruction by mas.org , we have slightly changed our policy.
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14th February 2006, 01:18 PM	#35
Dr. A Sheikh Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pakistan Posts: 612	[quote=Hawk one;1444877]Are you blind? We still have one main query about the prize money, which has been repeated over and over in this thread: Do they in fact exist? YES Can you show us real evidence that you have one million dollars available? How?
	__________________ Do you want to win ONE MILLION DOLLAR? Here you have a simple and fair chance >> Just prove what you want to prove anything about homeopathy and send your challenge claim along with your CV at WHCC office Pakistan. So for non of the skeptic has won the prize. Money is still pending for award. www.forum.nchpakistan.com