New question for kurious_kathy...

Ducky · 13th February 2006, 03:45 PM

How do you feel about the Nation of Islam?

What do you have to say to Louis Farrakhan about his religious beliefs?

ETA:

THese are the official platform of beliefs as laid out by Elijah Muhammed in 1965:

Quote:

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur'an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4

Edited by Darat:

Edited for breach of Rule 4.

...snip...

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

Source.

Any comment Kathy?

Beerina · 14th February 2006, 08:40 AM

Quote:

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

Any government set up by God that doesn't have an indestructible robot following me around to zap the "aggressor" who "initiates force", be it a thief or a politician trying to make me join the government's health care plan is a piss-poor God and government of said god.

slingblade · 14th February 2006, 08:50 AM

If her experience is anything like mine was, she firmly believes that Islam is wrong and heretical, because it denies the divinity of Christ.

My religious upbringing was so strict, I felt guilty my entire Junior year of HS because I took a World Religions class. We weren't allowed to even learn about other religions, lest we become "infected" with their heresies.

Of course, you asked Kathy, and so she should answer for herself, but I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts her answer will be "they're heretics," or something similar.

Belz... · 14th February 2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Any government set up by God that doesn't have an indestructible robot following me around to zap the "aggressor" who "initiates force", be it a thief or a politician trying to make me join the government's health care plan is a piss-poor God and government of said god.

I knew you were talking about that particular indestructible robot.

SuperCoolGuy · 14th February 2006, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by fowlsound

How do you feel about the Nation of Islam?

What do you have to say to Louis Farrakhan about his religious beliefs?

ETA:

THese are the official platform of beliefs as laid out by Elijah Muhammed in 1965:

Source.

Any comment Kathy?

Obviously, Elijah Muhammed was a false prophet, which the Bible warns us about.

Fowlsound, what was the point?

Ducky · 14th February 2006, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by SuperCoolGuy

Obviously, Elijah Muhammed was a false prophet, which the Bible warns us about.

Fowlsound, what was the point?

In the list of beliefs, All but 3 were different from kathy's beliefs.

In fact, I doubt she'd even realize how close to other extremist groups she is.

Pauliesonne · 14th February 2006, 10:43 AM

You're implying Kathy is smart enough to understand what an extremist group is....

kurious_kathy · 14th February 2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by fowlsound

In the list of beliefs, All but 3 were different from kathy's beliefs.

In fact, I doubt she'd even realize how close to other extremist groups she is.

Actually if you want to diagnose my personality is type A so of course I am quite voicetross and expressive as a human being. I have strong likes and dislikes. Type A personaily is just one of my attributes.

But when it comes to the problems in this world...I get very upset to see so much violence and deceit in the world. Does this make me even more extreme, Yes! But I unlike you know the battle is the Lords.

I myself had gotten so sick watching the news after 911 I stopped watching the news. I might read headlines in the paper but I am not one that is well educated on what goes on world wide nor do I want to be. If God leads me in a direction to become more active in politics, or teachings concerning other world views and religions, then I am open. But I am more of a people person than an historian or politician!

bluess · 14th February 2006, 10:50 AM

And history and politics have nothing to do with people.

rharbers · 14th February 2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

Type A personaily is just one of my attributes.

What is a "Type A" personality? I've never quite understood that psuedo-scientific jargon. I've always considered "Type A's" to be jackasses; for the most part, and selfish, conceited and cruel.

Pauliesonne · 14th February 2006, 10:55 AM

A is for amazingly ignorant.

SuperCoolGuy · 14th February 2006, 11:23 AM

As a Muslim, if I love God and do good works, is there a place for me in heaven?

Luke, Chapter 10, 25-28
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Genesius · 14th February 2006, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by SuperCoolGuy

As a Muslim, if I love God and do good works, is there a place for me in heaven?

[kurious_kathy]

Of course not! Allah is a false god and anyone following him deserves to burn forever in the lake of eternal fire!

I am so glad I've got Jesus in my life so I can be with him in Heaven and spend the rest of eternity laughing at your anguished screams.

[/kurious_kathy]

Pauliesonne · 14th February 2006, 11:37 AM

You do an almost brilliant impersonation of KK.....

just add in a couple of long duh's and quite a few mis-spelt words.

Genesius · 14th February 2006, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Pauliesonne

You do an almost brilliant impersonation of KK.....

20 years in community theater has got to be good for something!

Quote:

just add in a couple of long duh's and quite a few mis-spelt words.

However, I do have my pride!

TobiasTheViking · 14th February 2006, 11:39 AM

and questionmarks where they aren't needed?

Pauliesonne · 14th February 2006, 11:46 AM

dum de dum de dum de dum de dum de dum de dum.........

money · 14th February 2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

I am not one that is well educated on what goes on world wide nor do I want to be.

This is all you really need to know about Kathy.

Kathy I hope for our sake that you don't vote.

What makes it ok for you to have these "voicetross" opinions on divisive issues when you choose not to educate yourself?

kurious_kathy · 14th February 2006, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by bluess

And history and politics have nothing to do with people.

You have a point. Seems many of us could learn to question things on a historical or political platform.
I just got this e-mail from CRI on Nancy Pearcey's new book that I think I will buy.http://www.equip.org/store/details.asp?SKU=B876

Pauliesonne · 14th February 2006, 12:01 PM

Ofcourse she'll vote....

how did you think George W Bush got re-elected?

money · 14th February 2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Pauliesonne

Ofcourse she'll vote....

how did you think George W Bush got re-elected?

Well I wasn't going to go quite that far with it, but, I know. ...sigh.

Ignorance is not a virtue. Is that so hard to understand? Kathy?

slingblade · 14th February 2006, 03:25 PM

Actually, in KK's belief system, ignorance is one of the greater--if not the greatest--virtues. After all, the first sin was eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God wanted us to stay ignorant (and don't get me started on that again).

People who are ignorant are easy to control and can be led to believe almost anything. Education is seen as a tool of the devil. See, the more you know, the better you are at asking questions, but asking questions leads to doubt. Doubt is bad. We must never doubt God, nor doubt those who are obviously God's messengers. (It's obvious, because they plainly say they are God's messengers. And who would lie about such a thing?)

Ignorance, we can see, leads to obedience.
Therefore, ignorance is good.

kurious_kathy · 14th February 2006, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

Ignorance, we can see, leads to obedience.
Therefore, ignorance is good.

I think it would be wise for all people to consider what they think is wisdom? Do you think a college education is the only thing that makes someone smart? If so I would strongly disagree with you. I am thankful that God uses the foolish things according to mans wisdom to reveal His truth! Should we not all stay humble and teachable? I think so.
And I really don't understand why ,slingblade you choose to call me stupid? Do you see me calling you stupid? It's not very nice of you in my opinion.

slingblade · 14th February 2006, 04:24 PM

I didn't call you anything, lady.

I did, however, touch a nerve.

Ignorance and stupidity are not the same things.

ETA: Got news for you: I was smart long before I went to college.

kurious_kathy · 14th February 2006, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

ETA: Got news for you: I was smart long before I went to college.

I'm glad you feel that way. It is good for someone to feel confident in their understanding of life and things attached to it. It is said however a man thinks, so he is? My mom always tells me this one.

I guess some of my biggest concerns about society is people just don't treat others the way they want to be treated.

Ducky · 14th February 2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

I'm glad you feel that way. It is good for someone to feel confident in their understanding of life and things attached to it. It is said however a man thinks, so he is? My mom always tells me this one.

I guess some of my biggest concerns about society is people just don't treat others the way they want to be treated.

People on this forum ridicule you because you refuse to enter any type of discourse that is in any way meaningful. instead you preach.

So, in effect, we are treating you on par how you treat us. You don't get to play the martyr on this one.

cbish · 14th February 2006, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

I myself had gotten so sick watching the news after 911 I stopped watching the news. I might read headlines in the paper but I am not one that is well educated on what goes on world wide nor do I want to be.

This is sad. Very sad.

But highly consistent with the fundies I know. Are you sure you want to limit this thought to today's geo-political climate? You should also include science, medicine, art, weather, sociology............................

Dr Adequate · 14th February 2006, 05:24 PM

Quote:

You should also include science ...

For once, she's way ahead of you.

money · 14th February 2006, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

Actually, in KK's belief system, ignorance is one of the greater--if not the greatest--virtues. After all, the first sin was eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God wanted us to stay ignorant (and don't get me started on that again).

People who are ignorant are easy to control and can be led to believe almost anything. Education is seen as a tool of the devil. See, the more you know, the better you are at asking questions, but asking questions leads to doubt. Doubt is bad. We must never doubt God, nor doubt those who are obviously God's messengers. (It's obvious, because they plainly say they are God's messengers. And who would lie about such a thing?)

Ignorance, we can see, leads to obedience.
Therefore, ignorance is good.

Well put. I think you've hit the nail on the head here.

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

I think it would be wise for all people to consider what they think is wisdom? Do you think a college education is the only thing that makes someone smart?

I haven't heard anyone here say that. There are plenty of idiots with degrees. There are plenty of smart, respected posters on this forum without much formal schooling. Playing the "you're picking on me because you're more educated" card won't work here.

I think you might be projecting just a bit.

Ducky · 14th February 2006, 06:07 PM

For the record I do not have a college degree, and only have a tradeschool certifacation as a sound engineer.

Kathy claiming the uneducated persecution is a moot point.

YouBelieveWHAT? · 15th February 2006, 01:41 AM

Hi KK,

You wrote "If God leads me in a direction" - how would you know if/when that happened?

I'm very Kurious!

YBW

kurious_kathy · 15th February 2006, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by SuperCoolGuy

As a Muslim, if I love God and do good works, is there a place for me in heaven?

Luke, Chapter 10, 25-28
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

If I can just ask you 1 important question here. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I ask this because the scripture you are using here applies to only those who know the one true God. Jesus Christ is Lord!

Pauliesonne · 15th February 2006, 08:46 AM

oh, kathy
you're as dumb
as they come
oh, kathy

you make me laugh
24 hours a day

oh, kathy
you bright up a
cold winter's day
oh, kathy

you belong in a
looney bin

oh, kathy
I almost feel
sad for you
oh, kathy

but then I remember
you're a fundie

oh, kathy

SuperCoolGuy · 15th February 2006, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

If I can just ask you 1 important question here. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I ask this because the scripture you are using here applies to only those who know the one true God. Jesus Christ is Lord!

Luke 10:26
And he said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

Where in the law is it written that to believe in God, one must believe in the Son of God?

What is written in the LAW that Jesus is referring to?

SuperCoolGuy · 15th February 2006, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Pauliesonne

oh, kathy
you're as dumb
as they come
oh, kathy

you make me laugh
24 hours a day

oh, kathy
you bright up a
cold winter's day
oh, kathy

you belong in a
looney bin

oh, kathy
I almost feel
sad for you
oh, kathy

but then I remember
you're a fundie

oh, kathy

Honestly, what's the point in that?

Pauliesonne · 15th February 2006, 08:56 AM

made me laugh?

Nex · 15th February 2006, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by fowlsound

Originally Posted by kurious_kathy

I'm glad you feel that way. It is good for someone to feel confident in their understanding of life and things attached to it. It is said however a man thinks, so he is? My mom always tells me this one.

I guess some of my biggest concerns about society is people just don't treat others the way they want to be treated.

People on this forum ridicule you because you refuse to enter any type of discourse that is in any way meaningful. instead you preach.

So, in effect, we are treating you on par how you treat us. You don't get to play the martyr on this one.

You reap what you sow, Kathy. You came here preaching and being disrespectful to others, and then you whine when it comes back to you. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out.

Pauliesonne · 15th February 2006, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Pauliesonne

made me laugh?

and in the end, isn't that all that matters.

SuperCoolGuy · 15th February 2006, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Pauliesonne

and in the end, isn't that all that matters.

Try playing hide and seek with a penguin. Always makes me smile.

Pauliesonne · 15th February 2006, 09:22 AM

I meant;

what makes ME laugh is all that matters!!!!

14th February 2006, 08:40 AM	#2
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14th February 2006, 08:50 AM	#3
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	If her experience is anything like mine was, she firmly believes that Islam is wrong and heretical, because it denies the divinity of Christ. My religious upbringing was so strict, I felt guilty my entire Junior year of HS because I took a World Religions class. We weren't allowed to even learn about other religions, lest we become "infected" with their heresies. Of course, you asked Kathy, and so she should answer for herself, but I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts her answer will be "they're heretics," or something similar.
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14th February 2006, 09:43 AM	#4
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,536	Originally Posted by Beerina Any government set up by God that doesn't have an indestructible robot following me around to zap the "aggressor" who "initiates force", be it a thief or a politician trying to make me join the government's health care plan is a piss-poor God and government of said god. I knew you were talking about that particular indestructible robot.
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14th February 2006, 10:50 AM	#9
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14th February 2006, 10:52 AM	#10
rharbers Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Peeltown Texas Posts: 296	Originally Posted by kurious_kathy Type A personaily is just one of my attributes. What is a "Type A" personality? I've never quite understood that psuedo-scientific jargon. I've always considered "Type A's" to be jackasses; for the most part, and selfish, conceited and cruel.
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14th February 2006, 09:46 AM	#5
SuperCoolGuy Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Near the sun Posts: 480	Originally Posted by fowlsound How do you feel about the Nation of Islam? What do you have to say to Louis Farrakhan about his religious beliefs? ETA: THese are the official platform of beliefs as laid out by Elijah Muhammed in 1965: Source. Any comment Kathy? Obviously, Elijah Muhammed was a false prophet, which the Bible warns us about. Fowlsound, what was the point?

14th February 2006, 10:22 AM	#6
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	Originally Posted by SuperCoolGuy Obviously, Elijah Muhammed was a false prophet, which the Bible warns us about. Fowlsound, what was the point? In the list of beliefs, All but 3 were different from kathy's beliefs. In fact, I doubt she'd even realize how close to other extremist groups she is.

14th February 2006, 10:43 AM	#7
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	You're implying Kathy is smart enough to understand what an extremist group is....

14th February 2006, 10:44 AM	#8
kurious_kathy Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sierra FootHills Posts: 2,142	Originally Posted by fowlsound In the list of beliefs, All but 3 were different from kathy's beliefs. In fact, I doubt she'd even realize how close to other extremist groups she is. Actually if you want to diagnose my personality is type A so of course I am quite voicetross and expressive as a human being. I have strong likes and dislikes. Type A personaily is just one of my attributes. But when it comes to the problems in this world...I get very upset to see so much violence and deceit in the world. Does this make me even more extreme, Yes! But I unlike you know the battle is the Lords. I myself had gotten so sick watching the news after 911 I stopped watching the news. I might read headlines in the paper but I am not one that is well educated on what goes on world wide nor do I want to be. If God leads me in a direction to become more active in politics, or teachings concerning other world views and religions, then I am open. But I am more of a people person than an historian or politician!

14th February 2006, 10:55 AM	#11
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	A is for amazingly ignorant.

14th February 2006, 11:23 AM	#12
SuperCoolGuy Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Near the sun Posts: 480	As a Muslim, if I love God and do good works, is there a place for me in heaven? Luke, Chapter 10, 25-28 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

14th February 2006, 11:29 AM	#13
Genesius Apathetic Agnostic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 1,534	Originally Posted by SuperCoolGuy As a Muslim, if I love God and do good works, is there a place for me in heaven? [kurious_kathy] Of course not! Allah is a false god and anyone following him deserves to burn forever in the lake of eternal fire! I am so glad I've got Jesus in my life so I can be with him in Heaven and spend the rest of eternity laughing at your anguished screams. [/kurious_kathy]
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14th February 2006, 11:37 AM	#14
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	You do an almost brilliant impersonation of KK..... just add in a couple of long duh's and quite a few mis-spelt words.

14th February 2006, 11:39 AM	#15
Genesius Apathetic Agnostic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 1,534	Originally Posted by Pauliesonne You do an almost brilliant impersonation of KK..... 20 years in community theater has got to be good for something! Quote: just add in a couple of long duh's and quite a few mis-spelt words. However, I do have my pride!
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14th February 2006, 11:39 AM	#16
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14th February 2006, 11:46 AM	#17
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	dum de dum de dum de dum de dum de dum de dum.........

14th February 2006, 11:52 AM	#18
money Muse Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 578	Originally Posted by kurious_kathy I am not one that is well educated on what goes on world wide nor do I want to be. This is all you really need to know about Kathy. Kathy I hope for our sake that you don't vote. What makes it ok for you to have these "voicetross" opinions on divisive issues when you choose not to educate yourself?
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14th February 2006, 11:59 AM	#19
kurious_kathy Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sierra FootHills Posts: 2,142	Originally Posted by bluess And history and politics have nothing to do with people. You have a point. Seems many of us could learn to question things on a historical or political platform. I just got this e-mail from CRI on Nancy Pearcey's new book that I think I will buy.http://www.equip.org/store/details.asp?SKU=B876

14th February 2006, 12:01 PM	#20
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	Ofcourse she'll vote.... how did you think George W Bush got re-elected?

14th February 2006, 12:21 PM	#21
money Muse Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 578	Originally Posted by Pauliesonne Ofcourse she'll vote.... how did you think George W Bush got re-elected? Well I wasn't going to go quite that far with it, but, I know. ...sigh. Ignorance is not a virtue. Is that so hard to understand? Kathy?
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14th February 2006, 03:25 PM	#22
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	Actually, in KK's belief system, ignorance is one of the greater--if not the greatest--virtues. After all, the first sin was eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God wanted us to stay ignorant (and don't get me started on that again). People who are ignorant are easy to control and can be led to believe almost anything. Education is seen as a tool of the devil. See, the more you know, the better you are at asking questions, but asking questions leads to doubt. Doubt is bad. We must never doubt God, nor doubt those who are obviously God's messengers. (It's obvious, because they plainly say they are God's messengers. And who would lie about such a thing?) Ignorance, we can see, leads to obedience. Therefore, ignorance is good.
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14th February 2006, 04:18 PM	#23
kurious_kathy Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sierra FootHills Posts: 2,142	Originally Posted by slingblade Ignorance, we can see, leads to obedience. Therefore, ignorance is good. I think it would be wise for all people to consider what they think is wisdom? Do you think a college education is the only thing that makes someone smart? If so I would strongly disagree with you. I am thankful that God uses the foolish things according to mans wisdom to reveal His truth! Should we not all stay humble and teachable? I think so. And I really don't understand why ,slingblade you choose to call me stupid? Do you see me calling you stupid? It's not very nice of you in my opinion.

14th February 2006, 04:24 PM	#24
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	I didn't call you anything, lady. I did, however, touch a nerve. Ignorance and stupidity are not the same things. ETA: Got news for you: I was smart long before I went to college.
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14th February 2006, 04:35 PM	#25
kurious_kathy Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sierra FootHills Posts: 2,142	Originally Posted by slingblade ETA: Got news for you: I was smart long before I went to college. I'm glad you feel that way. It is good for someone to feel confident in their understanding of life and things attached to it. It is said however a man thinks, so he is? My mom always tells me this one. I guess some of my biggest concerns about society is people just don't treat others the way they want to be treated.

14th February 2006, 04:37 PM	#26
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	Originally Posted by kurious_kathy I'm glad you feel that way. It is good for someone to feel confident in their understanding of life and things attached to it. It is said however a man thinks, so he is? My mom always tells me this one. I guess some of my biggest concerns about society is people just don't treat others the way they want to be treated. People on this forum ridicule you because you refuse to enter any type of discourse that is in any way meaningful. instead you preach. So, in effect, we are treating you on par how you treat us. You don't get to play the martyr on this one.

14th February 2006, 04:46 PM	#27
cbish Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Nevada City, CA Posts: 1,229	Originally Posted by kurious_kathy I myself had gotten so sick watching the news after 911 I stopped watching the news. I might read headlines in the paper but I am not one that is well educated on what goes on world wide nor do I want to be. This is sad. Very sad. But highly consistent with the fundies I know. Are you sure you want to limit this thought to today's geo-political climate? You should also include science, medicine, art, weather, sociology............................
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14th February 2006, 05:24 PM	#28
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Quote: You should also include science ... For once, she's way ahead of you.

14th February 2006, 06:06 PM	#29
money Muse Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 578	Originally Posted by slingblade Actually, in KK's belief system, ignorance is one of the greater--if not the greatest--virtues. After all, the first sin was eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God wanted us to stay ignorant (and don't get me started on that again). People who are ignorant are easy to control and can be led to believe almost anything. Education is seen as a tool of the devil. See, the more you know, the better you are at asking questions, but asking questions leads to doubt. Doubt is bad. We must never doubt God, nor doubt those who are obviously God's messengers. (It's obvious, because they plainly say they are God's messengers. And who would lie about such a thing?) Ignorance, we can see, leads to obedience. Therefore, ignorance is good. Well put. I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Originally Posted by kurious_kathy I think it would be wise for all people to consider what they think is wisdom? Do you think a college education is the only thing that makes someone smart? I haven't heard anyone here say that. There are plenty of idiots with degrees. There are plenty of smart, respected posters on this forum without much formal schooling. Playing the "you're picking on me because you're more educated" card won't work here. I think you might be projecting just a bit.
money Muse Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 578	__________________ I am the first mammal to wear pants, yeah... - "Do the Evolution" - Pearl Jam www.stopsylvia.com

14th February 2006, 06:07 PM	#30
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	For the record I do not have a college degree, and only have a tradeschool certifacation as a sound engineer. Kathy claiming the uneducated persecution is a moot point.

15th February 2006, 01:41 AM	#31
YouBelieveWHAT? Muse Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Nuernberg Posts: 994	Hi KK, You wrote "If God leads me in a direction" - how would you know if/when that happened? I'm very Kurious! YBW
	__________________ I was planning to study Clairvoyance in school, but as I knew I would fail the exam, decided against it. And thanks to SkepticJ: We'd outgrown the fables, I knew. The sun isn't Apollo's chariot, of course, it's a star that began burning when a god said "Let there be light". Man was not created from clay by Zeus, he was created from clay by Yahweh. Hades didn't restore Euridice to life, please. That would be absurd. Jesus did, of course, restore Lazarus to life.... What morons we were before. How wise we are now. - Dale McGowan

15th February 2006, 08:37 AM	#32
kurious_kathy Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sierra FootHills Posts: 2,142	Originally Posted by SuperCoolGuy As a Muslim, if I love God and do good works, is there a place for me in heaven? Luke, Chapter 10, 25-28 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. If I can just ask you 1 important question here. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I ask this because the scripture you are using here applies to only those who know the one true God. Jesus Christ is Lord!

15th February 2006, 08:46 AM	#33
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	oh, kathy you're as dumb as they come oh, kathy you make me laugh 24 hours a day oh, kathy you bright up a cold winter's day oh, kathy you belong in a looney bin oh, kathy I almost feel sad for you oh, kathy but then I remember you're a fundie oh, kathy

15th February 2006, 08:47 AM	#34
SuperCoolGuy Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Near the sun Posts: 480	Originally Posted by kurious_kathy If I can just ask you 1 important question here. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I ask this because the scripture you are using here applies to only those who know the one true God. Jesus Christ is Lord! Luke 10:26 And he said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? Where in the law is it written that to believe in God, one must believe in the Son of God? What is written in the LAW that Jesus is referring to?

15th February 2006, 08:48 AM	#35
SuperCoolGuy Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Near the sun Posts: 480	Originally Posted by Pauliesonne oh, kathy you're as dumb as they come oh, kathy you make me laugh 24 hours a day oh, kathy you bright up a cold winter's day oh, kathy you belong in a looney bin oh, kathy I almost feel sad for you oh, kathy but then I remember you're a fundie oh, kathy Honestly, what's the point in that?

15th February 2006, 08:56 AM	#36
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	made me laugh?