Renee Rynn's Color Signs

[Renee Rynn]

Anothersillyalias, you prove my point exactly, you want media acknowledgement before you take any notice of my discovery.

Admiral, yes you are right, color IS determined by its wavelengths, the wider the wave the redder the color the closer the wavelength, the bluer the color, the hand will show this too by open fingers on red and closed fingers on blue. Color is energy and creates the growth/coming together and disintergration/coming apart of all life. When the planets are shown to have a red shift in space, they are flying apart from each other. A blue shift shows them coming together.
As I said, orange is a color (wavelength) and has its own sign on the hand.
It is interesting to see that all of you who post here on this thread are waiting for me to hand them the proof on a plate without moving yourselves to see the proof yourselves on the pictures I told you to view. I dont know what troll means but it seems to me that you all are flounders, floundering around waiting for the next childish game to play on someone.
Non of you have taken the energy to look at the pictures of James Randi and others here that show the hand sign of the color that they are wearing. I told you the hand signs before I looked for the pictures to get you to understand about the invisible that is visible in front of you without your knowing it.

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Non of you have taken the energy to look at the pictures of James Randi and others here that show the hand sign of the color that they are wearing. I told you the hand signs before I looked for the pictures to get you to understand about the invisible that is visible in front of you without your knowing it.

That is not proof. If it was, This would be proof that people raise their hands whenever they wear brown. Simply attaching meaning to a picture proves nothing.

But you know what would make everyone pay attention? If you successfully passed the blindfold test that you said was "child's play". That would be very interesting.

But you won't do that, will you? Because you know it's impossible.

[Rasmus]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

It is interesting to see that all of you who post here on this thread are waiting for me to hand them the proof on a plate without moving yourselves to see the proof yourselves on the pictures I told you to view.

Pictures don't prove anything, much less te things you have said. All they might prove is that you are able to look for pictures where people hold their hands in certain ways. Whoopie!

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I dont know what troll means but it seems to me that you all are flounders, floundering around waiting for the next childish game to play on someone.

It is you who is playing games.

Here is what happens: Someone comes and makes a claim about the paranormal. That somene wil lbe offered a million dollars for proving their claim to be right.

It is hardly a childish game to remind that someone of why everyone is here. You made your claim. Now prove it.

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Non of you have taken the energy to look at the pictures of James Randi and others here that show the hand sign of the color that they are wearing. I told you the hand signs before I looked for the pictures to get you to understand about the invisible that is visible in front of you without your knowing it.

Irrelevant.

What exactly is stopping you?

If I had the ability you claim you have, I would a test up and running within a few hours. A couple of days to allow for a fully randomized and properly blinded test. One I could perform alone, just to make sure.

Then, I would send an actual application to the JREF.

I would te4ll them what I could do, and how I did test myself. I would ask them to review my protocol (which would be something as simple as sticking my hand into one of several shoeboxes) and let me sit ,y preliminary test ASAP.

I'd be over and done with all of that in well under a week; and would then wait for my appointment.

So .... how come you are not doing any of this? If you don't want the million, then why are oyu here and what do you want?

Rasmus.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally Posted by Admiral

I'm sorry, Peachy, but I have to disagree with you there. I don't know much about psychology, but I know about physics, and color does exist without the eye- light's color is determined by its wavelength, and an object's color is determined by what wavelengths it reflects and which it absorbs. It's also not true that orange is just a mix of red and yellow- it is in paint, but in terms of light it can be considered a seperate range of wavelengths.

Anyway, Renee, please stop explaining how significant your idea is. This forum has had hundreds of people show up and say that their idea would tear the structure of the world apart and cause a revolution in science. We won't believe it until you prove it. And don't give more examples from history to prove it- give an experiment. If you succeed, you'll win a million dollars, you'll be famous, and science will undergo a revolution. However, you're not going to prove a thing by talking to us about how obvious your ideas are.

Now, imagine this test. Could you tell what color a piece of construction paper is only by touch? One would think that this would be possible given the effect the color would have on your hand, according to your view. However, if you think there's too many interfering colors from everything else around you, we could devise another test.

For example, here's one: could you show that friction doesn't exist when no red is around?

THIS is DEFINITELY the best post in the thread so far.
Well said, Admiral.

[Gr8wight]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Anothersillyalias, you prove my point exactly, you want media acknowledgement before you take any notice of my discovery.

Renee, we do not believe your "discovery" actually exists. It is the considered opinion of the skeptics on this forum that your mind has imagined relationships between colours and hand positions where none truly exist. In order to convince any of us that the things you are saying have merit, you will have to provide a demonstration, under proper observing conditions. If you need assistance understanding any of the terms I have used, do not hesitate to ask for help.

[Peachy]

Originally Posted by Admiral

I'm sorry, Peachy, but I have to disagree with you there. I don't know much about psychology, but I know about physics, and color does exist without the eye- light's color is determined by its wavelength, and an object's color is determined by what wavelengths it reflects and which it absorbs. It's also not true that orange is just a mix of red and yellow- it is in paint, but in terms of light it can be considered a seperate range of wavelengths.

Ummm...John Watson I think. Its actually sort of a if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound type of thing. I don't know, I'm a social psychologist not a cognition/neuropsychologist, but it was something like that, having to do with colorblindness. The idea was, the wavelength may exist, but color must be perceived for the color to exist. Philosophically, the color that you perceive to be red, may be different from my perspective, even if we both see the same wavelength. And actually, I should have known the orange thing, I've seen the cover of Dark Side of the Moon.

[Peachy]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Non of you have taken the energy to look at the pictures of James Randi and others here that show the hand sign of the color that they are wearing. I told you the hand signs before I looked for the pictures to get you to understand about the invisible that is visible in front of you without your knowing it.

Well, actually I did take a look, and didn't find anything too remarkable. For instance you said the following about Ed Lu's picture:

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

EdLu Astronaught with a blue shirt on and his hand cupped in the blue color sign. His fingers are also spayed in front of the red color while in the blue sign.

http://skepticreport.com/download/tam4/pix/0029.jpg

Now, this is a momentary image where Ed is obviuosly describing something. It seems likely that a second or two later, his hands would be doing something different.

You also tell us about the significance of a fist:

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

But if you go to the Amazing Meeting Photos you can see a photo of James Randi with a black suit on giving a talk. His hands both have the black sign of a fist showing that he is sending out information.

If I compare the previous picture to this one (of Brandon Routh as Superman, who is also wearing red and blue), his hands are in fists, which you associate with black. However, obviously, he's not wearing black. More importantly he is not showing the same hand sign as Ed Lu, even though he's wearing the same colors.

http://wwws.warnerbros.co.uk/superma...lery/pic-1.jpg

What am I missing?

[Morwen]

Renee, you said that some people who eat strawberries get sick. True. But you say some. If red foods are so, so bad, why not all?

Another question: some people also get sick when they eat peanuts. Which are not red. Why?

Also: how would you prove your "theory" wrong?

[The_Fire]

And then there's the entire thing with flour (white) and milk (white) which also makes some people sick.
And just to clarify things: I post from a room with white walls, a dark mahogany brown bookcase and a huge mainly blue world atlas on the wall. I also wear a dark blue shirt and a pair of light blue jeans.
I would also like to point out that I don't wear red makeup as I rarely wear ANY makeup at all due to an allergy to the BLUE eyemakeup & eyeliner which, after a couple of hours, makes my face look like a pufferfish without the spikes.

I would also like to point out that POTATOES, which have a brown peel with a white/yellowish interior also belongs to the Nightshade family. This clashes with your tomatoe theory.

Oh, and that red thing on my avatar? Thats the danish flag. A nation, which , aside from the recent helping hand to the US in invading Iraq, have managed to stay out of wars since WW2 DESPITE having RED in their flag. Same goes for Greenland (whom have their own red/white flag). And Austria. And what about Red Cross?

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by Peachy

Ummm...John Watson I think. Its actually sort of a if a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound type of thing. I don't know, I'm a social psychologist not a cognition/neuropsychologist, but it was something like that, having to do with colorblindness. The idea was, the wavelength may exist, but color must be perceived for the color to exist. Philosophically, the color that you perceive to be red, may be different from my perspective, even if we both see the same wavelength. And actually, I should have known the orange thing, I've seen the cover of Dark Side of the Moon.

This is certainly interesting as a matter of philosophy, but it doesn't make Renee's idea any less likely. After all, even without people to observe it, color can have an effect. For example, the color of light determines how much of it shines through a sheet of blue glass or reflects off a blue object. There are electronic components that can detect only particular wavelengths of light or distinguish them. But on the other hand, is that a "If a tree falls in the forest and only a robot is around to hear it, does it still make a sound?" question?

Renee's idea is simply that this wavelength has an effect on the body beyond the effect it has on our eyes. We've heard stranger claims, certainly. What is irritating is not the nature of the claim, but the way Renee avoids direct questions, preferring to explain her beliefs in detail and offer up photographs that prove nothing.

Renee, you have offered no proof of your hypothesis yet. You cannot offer any just by talking. However, if you apply for the Challenge, agree on a protocol and pass the test, you'll go a long way in proving your claim. So why not come up with a protocol? Everyone on this forum would be happy to help you.

Originally Posted by Kimpatsu

THIS is DEFINITELY the best post in the thread so far.
Well said, Admiral.

Thanks, Kimpatsu. However, I think that the post that has advanced our argument the most is this one:

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Your replies are very interesting and show just how difficult it is to show new science to set thinkers. And you are right, just talking cannot teach or prove much without the visual facts.
You are all so confused with the concept of colors. You have to think out of the box. All the colored balls in creation will not do any good if the walls are red and the clothes you wear are pink or blue. There are many colors around human population and the body uses all those colors to be alive. The body itself, contains the colors within itself. The organs and flesh are red, the blood inside the body is blue. When the body opens itself up like going to the bathroom or opening the mouth or getting a cut etc, it shows its red colors, lets out liquid and makes a noise. Nasa is studying laser colors of blue and red and even the Japanese are very aware that the blue color is purer than the red color and that is why a lot of their computers have a blue light on them. The black pupil of the eye is like a black hole in space, things go in and out of it. By the way, universes also are color coded in balance with each other. Where you see a red universe or star, there you will also see nearby a blue universe or star. The Sun is red and the far planets are blue. Blue and Red colored electromagnetic elements are totally opposite to each other. This creates a balance. Blue colors contain the purest positive electromagnetic elements that is known to man and Red colors contain the purest negative electromagnetic elements that is known to man. All the other colors are pulled into either a positive or a negative mode depending on which color they are put with. If we changed our world to a red colored world, the negative magnets of the red of our world and the negative magnets of the red of the sun would slide apart from each other and our world would move away from its place creating chaos in our universe.
Nasa is studying how to create gravity in a space ship. The red colors create the spin or giroscope effect and the blue colors create the stillness that nasa seeks for the astronaughts inside the space craft. You will find that they are using more and more blue colors inside their space station. Red creates velocity and more friction and this creates more red and more friction and more loss as things move apart from each other. As the hand will move all its fingers apart from each other and stand with its legs open to show a red opening of the body when the red color is present. The red aura/color on the body becomes absorbed through the skin into the body. Do a little test, put a paper on top of a red light of your cell phone or computer and see how the red color moves through the paper, that is how it goes through your skin as you sit for a length of time with it on you.
Rasmus, you say that you have lots of black but you do not make a fist, that is because you do not know how much red you have shining on you in the room and inside your clothes on your body. If you think that you do not have any red around you then try to take ALL the red that your eyes can see in the room, out of the room. Even the little red line on the writing paper or red picture on your shirt goes a long way. An impossible task, you will have practically nothing left. Red is a very powerful color and a little red creates more red and before you know it, all the shopping malls, the governments, the houses, the homes and gardens, the post offices, the schools, the churches and religions, the kings and queens, all the packages of food and drink start to make the red color a thing of admiration and pride. The red color is the ONLY color that causes friction, disintergration, disruption, problems, pain, illness and death. Red color on your bank account Oh Oh. tears and frustration and red face and red eyes on the body and the hands move around with open splayed fingers while the personality disintergrates. Do you think you are the only people that I have given this knowledge to? Check the cereal boxes and the magazines and you will find that blue is coming into age. Even Heinze Ketchup has made a blue ketchup, even tried purple and green. You will find that the past president Nixon wore red ties and the past president Clinton wore blue ties and so does the present President wear blue ties they are aware of my information.
All the babies disposable diapers contain a red picture on them. Poor babies. They throw their red bottle with red drink on the floor and their parents just pick it up clean it off and force it back into the childs mouth, Poor child, given a negative life before it can even walk. I heard on the tv last night that a couple just hit the baby to death. So sad. Too much red, creating red blood and red eyes and red jail.
Look for the two hand signs of red and blue on people. Red is easy to tell, so many people stand still walk or talk with their fingers parted from their hands as if their body was in shock the fingers mimicing fire burning or lava pouring from a mountain. See if you can notice the blue hand sign where all the fingers and thumb are together (like the blue shift of space) and the hand is cupped into an arc to mimic the blue sky arcing around the earth.
Renee

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Anothersillyalias, you prove my point exactly, you want media acknowledgement before you take any notice of my discovery.

This comment makes it VERY obvious that you don't understand scientific process or what is required for claims of any sort to be taken seriously.

I have absolutely no interest whatever in what the media might have to say. At least not the media you are no doubt referring to. You made a claim about how children might act in differently coloured rooms. I asked to see where I might find reports in RESPECTED PROFESSIONAL JOURNALS of the tests that confirm your claims. If none exist then where do I find the results of the scientific tests that do confirm your hypothesis? If no tests have been conducted then your claims are little more than opinion on your part. Why should I believe it?

Claims require proof by the claimant. A bunch of pictures, by themselves, prove nothing.

[Renee Rynn]

Every picture tells a thousand words.

[Renee Rynn]

Actually, I do understand scientific process.
To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

[Rasmus]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Every picture tells a thousand words.

Yes, but they do diddley squat do prove your inane assertions.

A real scientific, properly blinded and randomized test, on the other hand ...

[Renee Rynn]

Kramer is not handling the challenge any more. There is no challenge, Poof, it is gone.

[Rasmus]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Kramer is not handling the challenge any more.

Right.

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There is no challenge, Poof, it is gone.

Wrong. Things are merely stalling.

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There will be a delay in processing new challenge applications while we adjust to recent changes. Please continue to use challenge@randi.org for all challenge related correspondence.

Again, if I had the abilities you claim to have I would have long e-mailed that address with a complete application (perhaps lacking the notarized confirmations).

48 hours later I would be on a damn phone and bug whoever's in the office about when I'd be getting a reply and where to leave my account details so the money could be transfert asap. I'd want to know which plane to take to meet whoever on the damn planet would be willing to test me.

Why aren't you doing any of this? What is it you want here?

[Renee Rynn]

Never mind the phone, where does one see this complete application?

[Kimpatsu]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Actually, I do understand scientific process.
To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

My very presence on this board proves you wrong. Or are you really merely asserting the primacy of your beliefs over reality? For, if so, that is blind arrogance, and the antithesis of open-ended scientific inquiry.
Your claims and behaviour, and your refusal to apply for the challenge, increasingly marks you out as a troll, Renee. Prove me wrong and apply now, or get lost. IOW, put up or shut up.

[Rasmus]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Never mind the phone, where does one see this complete application?

I am not sure I understand you?

My application? I am not the one claiming that I can do anything paranormal.

Or did you mean to ask where you should send yours? challenge@randi.org

Or are you looking for a sample application?

Rasmus.

[Kimpatsu]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Never mind the phone, where does one see this complete application?

Try the "$1 million challenge" link at the top of this very page.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Actually, I do understand scientific process.

You hide it well.

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To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

No, what has happened is that you have some cherished belief about colours so you have come here to stun us all with your revelations. Unfortunately you have stumbled upon a forum where the majority want to see some evidence of your claims and, because we haven't immediately and unquestioningly accepted your rather bizarre beliefs, you are now throwing a bit of a temper tantrum and making more silly claims.

Whether or not you happen to believe any of the members here are scientists is irrelevant, I'm sure those that are scientists are probably having a bit of a chuckle right now.

When you get round to making a challenge application people might begin to take you seriously.

[Renee Rynn]

This is interesting. I asked where I can find the challenge on this site so that I can send it in and all I get is repetitious monolog without any of you looking for yourself and telling me where to find the challenge to fill out.
Trolls indeed, is that not a child's toy?
Some of you have been very rude to me but I have been polite with you.
I hope that I am not talking with a lot of children that talk without any real intellectual substance to them.

[AnotherSillyAlias]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Some of you have been very rude to me but I have been polite with you.

So I see.

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To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

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I hope that I am not talking with a lot of children that talk without any real intellectual substance to them.

I'm surprised that, with your obvious intellectual superiority, you were unable to find this:

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

[Rasmus]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

This is interesting. I asked where I can find the challenge on this site so that I can send it in and all I get is repetitious monolog without any of you looking for yourself and telling me where to find the challenge to fill out.

Simple: I didn't realize that you thought there was a form to be filled out.
Hence I asked what it was that you wanted to know.

I even did answer some of the questions I thought you might have meant to ask.

What more would you have expected?

I don't think there is a form you can fill out. No, I didn't go looking for one; do your own damned work. (The reason I don't belive there is one is because I have read past applications in the forum, and they seem not to follow a specific pattern, also the challenge rules speak of how much or little you are supposed to be writing. This suggests "free text" to me. No form is ever mentioned, as far as I know.)

Do you need hlep writing that letter? Just ask then.

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Trolls indeed, is that not a child's toy?
Some of you have been very rude to me but I have been polite with you.

You keep belittleing us, that is far from polite! The reason why some of us are somewhat rude (and I might be guilty here myself) is that you are just wasting everybody's time. What you are doing here won't be getting anyone anywhere.

It doesn't get you closer to the challenge, it doesn't get us closer to seeing you on the challenge. Whatever else you might be after: This is the wrong place for it - and chances ae, even if it wasn't you wouldn't be making any progress.

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I hope that I am not talking with a lot of children that talk without any real intellectual substance to them.

Why not just send in an application, work out a protocol and get rich; or tell us what it is you expect from us? Nobody here will have anything to do with the actual challenge. We're just curious and willing to help if we can.

Rasmus.

[Hastur]

This is as close to a form that there is to the $1 Million Challenge: http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
This is only something to be signed by the applicant and submitted (with proper notarization) with the 2 paragraph letter giving:
1. What is being claimed (be concise)
2. How the claim will be proven.

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Hastur stop being childish.

Concession noted and accepted.

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Actually, I do understand scientific process.
To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

Nah, I'm just a high school senior. I don't pretend I have any qualifications I don't, but I know pseudoscience when I see it.

However, there is no reason to continue this discussion in a rude tone- I hope everyone, especially the skeptics on the forum, can be more civil. Renee's questions have been reasonable so far.

Renee, I have some important tips about the challenge application.

First of all, the application must be notarized. Print it out from http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html, read it carefully, sign it, find a notary public, then send it in. Make sure to include your email address, as challenge correspondence is handled via email. It may take a few weeks before the challenge is up and running again, though- it's not their fault.

Also, a very important tip about the two paragraph description of your ability- the JREF doesn't want to read a long description of your ideas and beliefs. This description should be just a simple, short, claim- a good example would be "I can recognize colors just by touch" or "My hands make signals based on what color they are touching." You then need to state how this ability can be tested, and what constitutes a positive result- for example, "A positive result would be that I can recognize a randomly selected color nine out of ten times."

Read the application and the FAQ (http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html) carefully. Many applicants waste weeks in confused debates that could have been avoided with fifteen minutes of work.

I strongly suggest you post your claim letter on this forum before you send your application in. The skeptics here would be happy to help you refine your claim- many have years of experience with challenge applicants. Checking it over with forum members will ensure that there are no misunderstandings with the JREF once you send it in.

Don't disappear into philosophy. Don't send any pictures as "evidence." Don't tell the JREF how earth-shaking your idea is. Don't imply that the prize is a joke.

They've heard it all before.

Just follow the instructions and the million is all yours.

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Every picture tells a thousand words.

That is nothing compared to the many thousands of words spouted by someone who wants to avoid proving themselves.

You will never apply because you know that what you claim is false. You will merely insult everyone here, claim that we are closed minded and possibly get so abusive that you are finally banned from the forum. You will then claim that you were silenced because the JREF did not want to pay you the million.

We want to see your groundbreaking discovery. Either prove it or go away.

[Michael Gray]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Actually, I do understand scientific process.
To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

I am a scientist.
With verifiable qualifications.
Your belief does not equate with the facts.

[Ladewig]

So, Renee Rynn, if all the face cards were removed from a standard deck of cards, could you sort them without looking into one pile containing only hearts and diamonds and one pile containing only clubs and spades?

I ask for two reasons. First, the JREF would easily acknowledge this ability as eligible for the prize (provided that they supplied the blindfold). Second, the simplicity of this test allows you to easily check your powers before applying.

[drkitten]

Originally Posted by NiallM

I call "troll"

There is simply no excuse for her failure to complete a Challenge Application by now.

I'm afraid there is. If she has some questions she wishes to ask the JREF, then she can't fill out the application until someone comes in to replace KRAMER.

[drkitten]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

To my belief, none of you are scientists. You are all looky loos waiting on the sidelines for some excitement to happen quickly.

That's an interesting belief, but unfortunately wrong. I myself happen to be a professional scientist, tenured position and all, with something like fifty articles to my credit.

[Rasmus]

Originally Posted by drkitten

I'm afraid there is. If she has some questions she wishes to ask the JREF, then she can't fill out the application until someone comes in to replace KRAMER.

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There will be a delay in processing new challenge applications while we adjust to recent changes. Please continue to use challenge@randi.org for all challenge related correspondence.

This just means that whatever you send might take somewhat longer to be processed than usual.

And it explicitly tells people to keep addressing the JREF.

What more could anyone ask for?

(Other than a forum full of members eager to help out with the application process if they can! Oh wait ... we have that, too!)

The only excuse she might have would be that she did address the JREF and the reply is still pending.

Like I said earlier: Would that stop *you*? Would it stop you from doing everything within reason to advance your application as far as possible even without the input of offficial JREF stuff?

And another note to Renee: don't let us stop you. You won't have to prove that just anybody can see what you claim is there. It is totally sufficient if you can prove that you can see it yourself. You just need to prove that one of your many claims is true - the simpler, the better.

You can feel the colour of a sheet of paper or a deck of cards or something blindfolded? Go for it, and don't bother about bodily movements and functions.

You can tell what colour soclks a person is wearing by only looking at their hands? Great! Pick just two colours to differentiate between and go for it.

Make it as easy as possible for yourself; get the prize and worry about the theory and the full range of your skills, or possible applications for other people later.

(I would be thrilled to learn how to do these things. If you teach me how it's done I'll try everything I can to get my greedy hands on the money before you! So why not get the money first and then teach the world?)

Rasmus.

[drkitten]

Originally Posted by Rasmus

This just means that whatever you send might take somewhat longer to be processed than usual.

And it explicitly tells people to keep addressing the JREF.

What more could anyone ask for?

Answers to questions, such as "does this claim qualify as paranormal?"

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(Other than a forum full of members eager to help out with the application process if they can! Oh wait ... we have that, too!)

Yes, but we don't speak officially for the JREF, so we can't answer questions.

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The only excuse she might have would be that she did address the JREF and the reply is still pending.

... or she wants to wait until there's someone there she can deal from a position of stability.

The problem with just writing the JREF, as it stands right now is any answer she gets is likely to be an off-the-cuff answer from the person who happens to be writing the email, and as such may well be repudiated by Randi when he returns to his desk. ("You agreed to WHAT? No way can we agree to that -- write her back RIGHT NOW and tell her that you misspoke.") The JREF has always been very professionally run -- but part of the reason for that is that Randi appears to run a rather tight ship, and I expect he will want to look very carefully at any decisions or agreements taken in his absence.

Which is a good thing. But it also means I wouldn't want to press JREF for a decision in his absence for exactly this reason.

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Like I said earlier: Would that stop *you*? Would it stop you from doing everything within reason to advance your application as far as possible even without the input of offficial JREF stuff?

Quite likely, yes. I'd rather wait the extra month and make sure that I'm working with the JREF's full support and cooperation than take blind shots in the dark. It's not like the money isn't going to be there in May, right?

[Renee Rynn]

Thank you for all your suggestions and advice.
Truly, I have given the challenge great thought and am interested to see how people will react to something completely new and how they think, even after all my explainations. I have found that it is easier to teach children how to recognize the movements of the body when colors are present on the body than it is for adults to learn this. Adults find it hard to understand that everything about nature and the body that they have been taught are not necessarally all the truth in reality. They do not want to be the first to see it. A very difficult position to be in I am sure of through experience.

[Renee Rynn]

One thing that you are all having great difficulty with is that you are trying to do the experiement for me.
Your minds eye only sees the experiements that have gone on before.
My findings are not of self and I am not claiming to be an occultist or magic person that can be blindfolded and tell you each color that you put on my hands.
I am different. What I discovered is much more than that and I will be happy to use any of you for demonstrations of a scientific study nature.
I have told you the way that I will make a demonstration and I will have it videotaped to view afterwards by anyone else. I do not mind how many people watch the demonstration or participate.

[The_Fire]

Originally Posted by Renee Rynn

Thank you for all your suggestions and advice.
Truly, I have given the challenge great thought and am interested to see how people will react to something completely new and how they think, even after all my explainations. I have found that it is easier to teach children how to recognize the movements of the body when colors are present on the body than it is for adults to learn this. Adults find it hard to understand that everything about nature and the body that they have been taught are not necessarally all the truth in reality. They do not want to be the first to see it. A very difficult position to be in I am sure of through experience.

Probably because children don't diffrentiate too well between fairytale and science.....

[Renee Rynn]

Of course, I would not put you into a dark room, I would do it in light, outside or inside, depending on what colors are showing to the point of the eye vision. If you can see it, the color is on you. So it would be very important to do the study where there is no man made coloring around.

[Renee Rynn]

Later on, you will all be able to understand the post of the Fire.

[Renee Rynn]

Hopefully her blatent negative red colors do not affect your judgement or thinking and does not bring out the base talk again on this thread. We will see anyway. Blue or Red, the color quality of the talk tells all.

[ChristineR]

Detecting colors while blindfolded is simple test, but it is not the only one. What about determining what color a person is looking at?

People make hand gestures all of the time. If you watch a person long enough, he is sure to make whichever hand gesture you are looking for. This is compounded by the fact that in real life everyone is surrounded by all different colors.

Do you claim that a person wearing white and in a white room while looking a a red card will make the "red" sign more often than the other signs? If so you should be able to determine what color a person is looking at by observing him for a few minutes.