Why No Abramoff ?

Lurker · 9th March 2006, 10:12 AM

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Abramoff article in VAnity Fair where he essentailly calls a bunch of Republicans liars for saying they don't know who he is.

He calls out Bush, DeLay, Gingrich, and a whole host of other Republicans who have asserted they don't know Abramoff. He mentions specific conversations, dinners together, sitting at luxury boxes together, pictures and so on.

Lurker

Bjorn · 9th March 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Lurker

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Abramoff article in VAnity Fair where he essentailly calls a bunch of Republicans liars for saying they don't know who he is.

He calls out Bush, DeLay, Gingrich, and a whole host of other Republicans who have asserted they don't know Abramoff. He mentions specific conversations, dinners together, sitting at luxury boxes together, pictures and so on.

Lurker

On this forum, we read nothing but links ...

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/pressroom2/

Quote:

Newt Gingrich, whose spokesman Rick Tyler tells Margolick that "Before [Abramoff's] picture appeared on TV and in the newspapers, Newt wouldn't have known him if he fell across him. He hadn't seen him in 10 years." A rankled Abramoff says "I have more pictures of [Newt] than I have of my wife." Abramoff shows Margolick numerous photographs: "Here's Newt. Newt. Newt. Newt. More Newt. Newt with Grover [Norquist, the Washington conservative Republican Über-strategist and longtime Abramoff friend] this time. But Newt never met me. Ollie North. Newt. Can't be Newt … he never met me. Oh, Newt! What's he doing there? Must be a Newt look-alike.… Newt again! It's sick! I thought he never met me!"

bob_kark · 9th March 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Lurker

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Abramoff article in VAnity Fair where he essentailly calls a bunch of Republicans liars for saying they don't know who he is.

He calls out Bush, DeLay, Gingrich, and a whole host of other Republicans who have asserted they don't know Abramoff. He mentions specific conversations, dinners together, sitting at luxury boxes together, pictures and so on.

Lurker

We were waiting for you to start one.

Anyway, I don't know that it comes as a surprise that Republicans want to distance themselves from Abramoff. Some of them may have done legitimate business with him. However, they don't want to commit political suicide by coming forth and reliving camp fire stories with the guy. BTW, I don't remember DeLay claiming that he doesn't know Abramoff. That would seem to be a silly claim for him to make considering the trips they've taken together.

Lurker · 9th March 2006, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by bob_kark

We were waiting for you to start one.

I logged in today thinking there was going to be a lot of talk about this so was surprised when I saw none.

I understand politicians won't want to chare campfire stories of their associations with Abramoff but to outright lie is just idiotic. My guess is they thought they could talk to Abramoff and convince him to keep quiet. I also guess that they are calling him right now to settle him down.

Lurker

bob_kark · 9th March 2006, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Lurker

I logged in today thinking there was going to be a lot of talk about this so was surprised when I saw none.

I understand politicians won't want to chare campfire stories of their associations with Abramoff but to outright lie is just idiotic. My guess is they thought they could talk to Abramoff and convince him to keep quiet. I also guess that they are calling him right now to settle him down.

Lurker

I don't know about idiotic, just par for the course. I suppose they thought they had another Scooter they could sell down the river. I do agree that it wasn't too bright for them to believe that however. Abramoff would gladly sell you his first born tomorrow for a hamburger today.

jj · 9th March 2006, 10:58 AM

It's just the "Big Lie" technique. If they deny that it all happened, and the media passes along their lies long enough, enough people will believe it that it doesn't matter.

Yes, that does mean that they are not merely liars, but intentional liars, and that they intentionally use denial as a way to get away with crimes.

Regnad Kcin · 9th March 2006, 01:38 PM

Quote:

...A rankled Abramoff says "I have more pictures of [Newt] than I have of my wife."

Thereby preseting today's Unfortunate Visual™.

FreeChile · 9th March 2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Thereby preseting today's Unfortunate Visual™.

I think Bill Moyers presents a realistic picture of the whole mess. The following thread by zakur has a link to Moyers. It's good bed-time reading.

Moyers: Restoring the Public Trust
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...05#post1495605

9th March 2006, 10:12 AM	#1
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,187	Why No Abramoff ? I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Abramoff article in VAnity Fair where he essentailly calls a bunch of Republicans liars for saying they don't know who he is. He calls out Bush, DeLay, Gingrich, and a whole host of other Republicans who have asserted they don't know Abramoff. He mentions specific conversations, dinners together, sitting at luxury boxes together, pictures and so on. Lurker
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9th March 2006, 10:23 AM	#2
Bjorn Off Topic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,974	Originally Posted by Lurker I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Abramoff article in VAnity Fair where he essentailly calls a bunch of Republicans liars for saying they don't know who he is. He calls out Bush, DeLay, Gingrich, and a whole host of other Republicans who have asserted they don't know Abramoff. He mentions specific conversations, dinners together, sitting at luxury boxes together, pictures and so on. Lurker On this forum, we read nothing but links ... http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/pressroom2/ Quote: Newt Gingrich, whose spokesman Rick Tyler tells Margolick that "Before [Abramoff's] picture appeared on TV and in the newspapers, Newt wouldn't have known him if he fell across him. He hadn't seen him in 10 years." A rankled Abramoff says "I have more pictures of [Newt] than I have of my wife." Abramoff shows Margolick numerous photographs: "Here's Newt. Newt. Newt. Newt. More Newt. Newt with Grover [Norquist, the Washington conservative Republican Über-strategist and longtime Abramoff friend] this time. But Newt never met me. Ollie North. Newt. Can't be Newt … he never met me. Oh, Newt! What's he doing there? Must be a Newt look-alike.… Newt again! It's sick! I thought he never met me!"
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9th March 2006, 10:49 AM	#4
Lurker Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,187	Originally Posted by bob_kark We were waiting for you to start one. I logged in today thinking there was going to be a lot of talk about this so was surprised when I saw none. I understand politicians won't want to chare campfire stories of their associations with Abramoff but to outright lie is just idiotic. My guess is they thought they could talk to Abramoff and convince him to keep quiet. I also guess that they are calling him right now to settle him down. Lurker
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9th March 2006, 10:58 AM	#6
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,503	It's just the "Big Lie" technique. If they deny that it all happened, and the media passes along their lies long enough, enough people will believe it that it doesn't matter. Yes, that does mean that they are not merely liars, but intentional liars, and that they intentionally use denial as a way to get away with crimes.
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9th March 2006, 01:38 PM	#7
Regnad Kcin Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The ol' Same place Posts: 6,208	Quote: ...A rankled Abramoff says "I have more pictures of [Newt] than I have of my wife." Thereby preseting today's Unfortunate Visual™.
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9th March 2006, 10:23 AM	#3
bob_kark Person of Hench Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Globalist H.Q., 25th floor, 5th room on the right. Posts: 4,098	Originally Posted by Lurker I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Abramoff article in VAnity Fair where he essentailly calls a bunch of Republicans liars for saying they don't know who he is. He calls out Bush, DeLay, Gingrich, and a whole host of other Republicans who have asserted they don't know Abramoff. He mentions specific conversations, dinners together, sitting at luxury boxes together, pictures and so on. Lurker We were waiting for you to start one. Anyway, I don't know that it comes as a surprise that Republicans want to distance themselves from Abramoff. Some of them may have done legitimate business with him. However, they don't want to commit political suicide by coming forth and reliving camp fire stories with the guy. BTW, I don't remember DeLay claiming that he doesn't know Abramoff. That would seem to be a silly claim for him to make considering the trips they've taken together.

9th March 2006, 10:57 AM	#5
bob_kark Person of Hench Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Globalist H.Q., 25th floor, 5th room on the right. Posts: 4,098	Originally Posted by Lurker I logged in today thinking there was going to be a lot of talk about this so was surprised when I saw none. I understand politicians won't want to chare campfire stories of their associations with Abramoff but to outright lie is just idiotic. My guess is they thought they could talk to Abramoff and convince him to keep quiet. I also guess that they are calling him right now to settle him down. Lurker I don't know about idiotic, just par for the course. I suppose they thought they had another Scooter they could sell down the river. I do agree that it wasn't too bright for them to believe that however. Abramoff would gladly sell you his first born tomorrow for a hamburger today.

9th March 2006, 04:13 PM	#8
FreeChile Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,039	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Thereby preseting today's Unfortunate Visual™. I think Bill Moyers presents a realistic picture of the whole mess. The following thread by zakur has a link to Moyers. It's good bed-time reading. Moyers: Restoring the Public Trust http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...05#post1495605