Vortex Healing

rats · 27th March 2006, 10:55 AM

Has anyone else come across Vortex Healing?

Or perhaps its lead man Ric Weinman?

Their web site is certainly entertaining, especially the Merlin and ‘research’ sections.

brettDbass · 27th March 2006, 11:11 AM

You mean this place, huh?
http://www.vortexhealing.com/index.html

Fascinating!

Luke T. · 27th March 2006, 11:39 AM

Some has a vortex that needs healing?

Luke T. · 27th March 2006, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by brettDbass

You mean this place, huh?
http://www.vortexhealing.com/index.html

Fascinating!

I like http://www.vortexhealing.com/draco1.html where they applied vortex healing to musical instruments. It is the choice of instruments which I find funny. Recorder, tambourine, bamboo flute...you can almost smell the incense.

Serenity · 27th March 2006, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

I like http://www.vortexhealing.com/draco1.html where they applied vortex healing to musical instruments. It is the choice of instruments which I find funny. Recorder, tambourine, bamboo flute...you can almost smell the incense.

Sign me up for the Lifeform Level. When I was in Sedona I had one of the gents at the information center explain to me what all the little vortex icons on the free tourist map were. Silly me, I thought they were areas of intense dust devil activity. Boy, was I wrong.

The VortexHealing Trainings may be grouped into 6 different levels:

Basic Level: Basic Training, Clearing the Kundalini Channel, Unwinding the Fascia.
Advanced Level: Advanced Training, Karmic Intensive, Sensing in the Body, Merlin's Puzzle.
MultiFrequency Level: MultiFrequency & Merlin's Jewel, Breaking TimeLines, Genetics
LifeForm Level: LifeForm, Heart, InterDimensional Vortex
Jewel Level: Omega, Karmic & Energetic Bodies Release, Advanced Sensing, Body and Heart of Merlin’s Jewel, Essence and Divine Magic, Jewel

rats · 27th March 2006, 12:24 PM

Yes, that's the one!

Their claims are truly amazing

I have family who are totally into it, with no way of making them see any sense. I’ve come to terms by considering it to be a rather expensive religion, and a bit of a laugh. However, I feel morally obliged to try and do something if they start to advertise, practice and charge ‘patients’ themselves. Any advice?

ChristineR · 27th March 2006, 12:27 PM

Unwinding the Fascia AND clearing the Kundalini?

I don't know about clearing the Kundalini channel, but unwinding your fascia would probably result in your muscles falling off.

Hellbound · 27th March 2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by ChristineR

Unwinding the Fascia AND clearing the Kundalini?

I don't know about clearing the Kundalini channel, but unwinding your fascia would probably result in your muscles falling off.

At the very least, it would be extremely painful, and would probably result in severe infections.

Of course, a more interesting question would be how your fascia got wound up in the first place. Seems that you'd have more serious problems to worry about than uncleared Kundalini channels if that happened.

dogbite666 · 27th March 2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by rats

Yes, that's the one!

Their claims are truly amazing

I have family who are totally into it, with no way of making them see any sense. I’ve come to terms by considering it to be a rather expensive religion, and a bit of a laugh. However, I feel morally obliged to try and do something if they start to advertise, practice and charge ‘patients’ themselves. Any advice?

Offer them the $million challenge. It normally kills any woo argument dead. Just try "if you can heal someone with your vortex healing as you claim then why don't you take the JREF challenge". I guarantee they will make excuses after excuses but keep at em' eventually the cracks will show in their stupid beliefs.

case sensitive · 27th March 2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by dogbite666

Offer them the $million challenge. It normally kills any woo argument dead. Just try "if you can heal someone with your vortex healing as you claim then why don't you take the JREF challenge". I guarantee they will make excuses after excuses but keep at em' eventually the cracks will show in their stupid beliefs.

You should go all nuts about the chance of winning the millon. That way they can't be angry at you. And when they say: well maybe it... You say: A million dollar baby! Just do it!

GrnMtSkeptic · 27th March 2006, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

I like http://www.vortexhealing.com/draco1.html where they applied vortex healing to musical instruments. It is the choice of instruments which I find funny. Recorder, tambourine, bamboo flute...you can almost smell the incense.

They tried to apply vortex healing to a trailer park 'round heah. Didn't work so good fer the trailers, but the rest o' the town appreciated it.

rats · 28th March 2006, 01:53 AM

I have offered them the $million challenge!

Apparently, Vortex Healing channels "intelligent" energy

, which wouldn't approve of such a test!

Reminds me of Sunday school teachings about how we shouldn't test God (ex-catholic here).

At least discussions about the $million challenge have stopped the believers trying to convert me, but their enthusiasm hasn’t waned any and plans to open a 'clinic' are continuing.

brettDbass · 28th March 2006, 02:26 AM

Did anybody read the description of vortex healing?
It's marvellous!
I particularly liked their explanation of the Merlin connection...

Quote:

The modern founder of VortexHealing is Ric Weinman. Ric re-discovered VortexHealing in November, 1994 and began teaching it about 9 months later, as a healing art and to assist the process of spiritual awakening. Since then he has also empowered other teachers to teach VortexHealing.
The older history of VortexHealing has a long and rich tradition. It began with a man named Mehindra who lived about 5600 years ago. Although most human beings have long karmic histories in which they have struggled within the experience of separation, there are always a few beings on the earth that are born into humanness directly from Wholeness, directly from divine consciousness. Each such being brings a unique aspect of divine consciousness into manifestation. Mehindra was such a being. The aspect of the divine he manifests is magical transformation.
After his death, Mehindra brought 7 other beings like himself together to form a divine "healing realm" and used his own energy and consciousness to form a link between that healing realm and human consciousness, which is how VortexHealing got its name. In 753 B.C., a man living in what is now England, who was close to enlightenment, received the gift of VortexHealing and specific Vortex meditations as a divine revelation from a being who appeared in his consciousness while he was meditating. This being (who was Mehindra) called himself "Merlin." (The name Merlin was chosen because that name best represented, in English, the vibrational quality of transformation magic that he was manifesting.) Working with this divine gift, the man became enlightened and began to pass the gift on to other people by the process of direct consciousness transmission. Later in his life he passed on the ability to teach VortexHealing to selected students. He also started the tradition that if a teacher within the lineage reached a sufficient level of attunement to Merlin, he was given the name Merlin. Thus the name Merlin was both a title and a way to honor the divine being who still manifests and maintains this healing art. As the teachings of Merlin were passed by direct consciousness transmission from teacher to teacher through the generations, it became known as the Merlin "lineage." Historically, there were 28 teachers, 12 of which were Merlins. The Merlin associated with King Arthur was the fifth one. But the 12th Merlin did not find anyone he could empower to carry on the teachings after him. So, in 1247 A.D. the lineage died out, until Merlin, who is still the source and divine power of VortexHealing, manifested a visionary experience for Ric Weinman, in 1994, that reactivated his memory of studying VortexHealing in two past lives.

http://www.vortexhealing.com/docs/Ba...ption-Web3.doc - full article.

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos · 28th March 2006, 04:50 AM

Why do these sorts of things always have levels? I would say it was so the vortex can suck in more money, but that would make me cynical.

~~ Paul

ChristineR · 28th March 2006, 05:48 AM

Why do they always have frequencies? If there were such a thing as a "Homeopathic Crystal" what good would do me to vibrate at its fundamental frequency?

Hellbound · 28th March 2006, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by ChristineR

Why do they always have frequencies? If there were such a thing as a "Homeopathic Crystal" what good would do me to vibrate at its fundamental frequency?

Save money on "C" batteries?

rats · 28th March 2006, 06:52 AM

These things also always seem to involve past lives - something I've found to be an excuse for mistakes and anxiety happening in the present.

It's also one of the hooks: "Oh, I sense you were a great healer* in a past life!"

* insert psychic/medium/whatever as appropriate

GrnMtSkeptic · 28th March 2006, 07:29 AM

I sense you were a great skeptic in a past life.

Psiload · 28th March 2006, 07:34 AM

I don't need it...

my vortex is perfectly healthy.

Mojo · 28th March 2006, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos

Why do these sorts of things always have levels? I would say it was so the vortex can suck in more money, but that would make me cynical.

The first level generally doesn't involve being able to do much (note that in the current example, "sensing in the body" doesn't come in until the "advanced level", and "Clearing the Kundalini Channel, Unwinding the Fascia" offered as part of the "basic level" don't really mean anything much) so that people can be persuaded that they've achieved their "basic training".

A bit like yogic flying. Loads of people master the first level of that (bouncing up and down on mattresses) but there doesn't seem to be any evidence that anyone has progressed further.

deBergerac · 28th March 2006, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by rats

I have offered them the $million challenge!

Apparently, Vortex Healing channels "intelligent" energy

, which wouldn't approve of such a test!

Reminds me of Sunday school teachings about how we shouldn't test God (ex-catholic here).

At least discussions about the $million challenge have stopped the believers trying to convert me, but their enthusiasm hasn’t waned any and plans to open a 'clinic' are continuing.

I do not know if it will help but maybe you should ask those relatives of yours how they know that vortex healing work.
My experience is that a lot of people who a very sure about something like vortexes do not know how to separate what they want to believe from what they really know.

Ask them how they would determine if it works or not?
Since the description of vortexes is of something that changes its surroundings there must be some testable effects.
The thing is of course that no matter if it is an intelligent energy or not it will either work or it will not. I am sure that you will have them agree to that.

Of course they will probably prefer to change the topic of your discussion but you might just get them to think.

curt · 28th March 2006, 10:15 AM

Boy, I'm a little tired of the skepticism on this thread. If my InterDimensional vortex, which is at the root of my emotional consciousness, needed some MultiFrequency that uses light and energy frequency to break up my emotional blockages in order for the vortex to 'bridge' the charge into the divine by the direct consciousness transmission from the divine Source of the lineage to my vortex, I can’t think of a better approach.

This is as long as Certified VortexHealing® Teacher’s Alexandra and Lorraine can do the healing of the physical body. Both of them. Together.

I feel oddly uncomfortable with the Gaia LifeForm releases, however. I can’t quite put my finger on it.

I'd like to think I could be open minded.
Curt

rats · 29th March 2006, 03:21 AM

Well, I certainly haven't been disappointed with the humour and advice experienced so far on this forum!

One point missed about ‘first levels’ is that they always show how much the new recruit needs to work through their own problems before they get to help others. For example, a scientologist needs to be ‘clear’ or whatever: you have to take (and pay for!) these extra courses before you can move on.

When discussing why family members believe in Vortex Healing, the answer was that they don’t believe in it, they just know it works. If vortex healing doesn’t cure someone, then it was not the fate of that person to be healed. A negative result would not mean intelligent energy is complete baloney. If an experiment showed vortex healing had no effect, they’d still know it works.

27th March 2006, 10:55 AM	#1
rats Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 612	Vortex Healing Has anyone else come across Vortex Healing? Or perhaps its lead man Ric Weinman? Their web site is certainly entertaining, especially the Merlin and ‘research’ sections.
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27th March 2006, 11:11 AM	#2
brettDbass Kurious Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Birmingham School Of Business School (Leicester branch) Posts: 1,361	You mean this place, huh? http://www.vortexhealing.com/index.html Fascinating!
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27th March 2006, 11:39 AM	#3
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27th March 2006, 11:42 AM	#4
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by brettDbass You mean this place, huh? http://www.vortexhealing.com/index.html Fascinating! I like http://www.vortexhealing.com/draco1.html where they applied vortex healing to musical instruments. It is the choice of instruments which I find funny. Recorder, tambourine, bamboo flute...you can almost smell the incense.
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27th March 2006, 12:07 PM	#5
Serenity Serenity Now! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: CT Central Lowlands Posts: 862	Originally Posted by Luke T. I like http://www.vortexhealing.com/draco1.html where they applied vortex healing to musical instruments. It is the choice of instruments which I find funny. Recorder, tambourine, bamboo flute...you can almost smell the incense. Sign me up for the Lifeform Level. When I was in Sedona I had one of the gents at the information center explain to me what all the little vortex icons on the free tourist map were. Silly me, I thought they were areas of intense dust devil activity. Boy, was I wrong. The VortexHealing Trainings may be grouped into 6 different levels: Basic Level: Basic Training, Clearing the Kundalini Channel, Unwinding the Fascia. Advanced Level: Advanced Training, Karmic Intensive, Sensing in the Body, Merlin's Puzzle. MultiFrequency Level: MultiFrequency & Merlin's Jewel, Breaking TimeLines, Genetics LifeForm Level: LifeForm, Heart, InterDimensional Vortex Jewel Level: Omega, Karmic & Energetic Bodies Release, Advanced Sensing, Body and Heart of Merlin’s Jewel, Essence and Divine Magic, Jewel

27th March 2006, 12:24 PM	#6
rats Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 612	Yes, that's the one! Their claims are truly amazing I have family who are totally into it, with no way of making them see any sense. I’ve come to terms by considering it to be a rather expensive religion, and a bit of a laugh. However, I feel morally obliged to try and do something if they start to advertise, practice and charge ‘patients’ themselves. Any advice?
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27th March 2006, 12:27 PM	#7
ChristineR Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,189	Unwinding the Fascia AND clearing the Kundalini? I don't know about clearing the Kundalini channel, but unwinding your fascia would probably result in your muscles falling off.
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27th March 2006, 01:08 PM	#8
Hellbound Abiogenic Spongiform Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a handbasket Posts: 8,924	Originally Posted by ChristineR Unwinding the Fascia AND clearing the Kundalini? I don't know about clearing the Kundalini channel, but unwinding your fascia would probably result in your muscles falling off. At the very least, it would be extremely painful, and would probably result in severe infections. Of course, a more interesting question would be how your fascia got wound up in the first place. Seems that you'd have more serious problems to worry about than uncleared Kundalini channels if that happened.

27th March 2006, 01:37 PM	#9
dogbite666 Thinker Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 199	Originally Posted by rats Yes, that's the one! Their claims are truly amazing I have family who are totally into it, with no way of making them see any sense. I’ve come to terms by considering it to be a rather expensive religion, and a bit of a laugh. However, I feel morally obliged to try and do something if they start to advertise, practice and charge ‘patients’ themselves. Any advice? Offer them the $million challenge. It normally kills any woo argument dead. Just try "if you can heal someone with your vortex healing as you claim then why don't you take the JREF challenge". I guarantee they will make excuses after excuses but keep at em' eventually the cracks will show in their stupid beliefs.
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27th March 2006, 01:46 PM	#10
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27th March 2006, 07:30 PM	#11
GrnMtSkeptic Thinker Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 220	Originally Posted by Luke T. I like http://www.vortexhealing.com/draco1.html where they applied vortex healing to musical instruments. It is the choice of instruments which I find funny. Recorder, tambourine, bamboo flute...you can almost smell the incense. They tried to apply vortex healing to a trailer park 'round heah. Didn't work so good fer the trailers, but the rest o' the town appreciated it.
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28th March 2006, 01:53 AM	#12
rats Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 612	I have offered them the $million challenge! Apparently, Vortex Healing channels "intelligent" energy , which wouldn't approve of such a test! Reminds me of Sunday school teachings about how we shouldn't test God (ex-catholic here). At least discussions about the $million challenge have stopped the believers trying to convert me, but their enthusiasm hasn’t waned any and plans to open a 'clinic' are continuing.
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28th March 2006, 02:26 AM	#13
brettDbass Kurious Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Birmingham School Of Business School (Leicester branch) Posts: 1,361	Did anybody read the description of vortex healing? It's marvellous! I particularly liked their explanation of the Merlin connection... Quote: The modern founder of VortexHealing is Ric Weinman. Ric re-discovered VortexHealing in November, 1994 and began teaching it about 9 months later, as a healing art and to assist the process of spiritual awakening. Since then he has also empowered other teachers to teach VortexHealing. The older history of VortexHealing has a long and rich tradition. It began with a man named Mehindra who lived about 5600 years ago. Although most human beings have long karmic histories in which they have struggled within the experience of separation, there are always a few beings on the earth that are born into humanness directly from Wholeness, directly from divine consciousness. Each such being brings a unique aspect of divine consciousness into manifestation. Mehindra was such a being. The aspect of the divine he manifests is magical transformation. After his death, Mehindra brought 7 other beings like himself together to form a divine "healing realm" and used his own energy and consciousness to form a link between that healing realm and human consciousness, which is how VortexHealing got its name. In 753 B.C., a man living in what is now England, who was close to enlightenment, received the gift of VortexHealing and specific Vortex meditations as a divine revelation from a being who appeared in his consciousness while he was meditating. This being (who was Mehindra) called himself "Merlin." (The name Merlin was chosen because that name best represented, in English, the vibrational quality of transformation magic that he was manifesting.) Working with this divine gift, the man became enlightened and began to pass the gift on to other people by the process of direct consciousness transmission. Later in his life he passed on the ability to teach VortexHealing to selected students. He also started the tradition that if a teacher within the lineage reached a sufficient level of attunement to Merlin, he was given the name Merlin. Thus the name Merlin was both a title and a way to honor the divine being who still manifests and maintains this healing art. As the teachings of Merlin were passed by direct consciousness transmission from teacher to teacher through the generations, it became known as the Merlin "lineage." Historically, there were 28 teachers, 12 of which were Merlins. The Merlin associated with King Arthur was the fifth one. But the 12th Merlin did not find anyone he could empower to carry on the teachings after him. So, in 1247 A.D. the lineage died out, until Merlin, who is still the source and divine power of VortexHealing, manifested a visionary experience for Ric Weinman, in 1994, that reactivated his memory of studying VortexHealing in two past lives. http://www.vortexhealing.com/docs/Ba...ption-Web3.doc - full article.
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28th March 2006, 04:50 AM	#14
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28th March 2006, 05:48 AM	#15
ChristineR Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,189	Why do they always have frequencies? If there were such a thing as a "Homeopathic Crystal" what good would do me to vibrate at its fundamental frequency?
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28th March 2006, 06:07 AM	#16
Hellbound Abiogenic Spongiform Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a handbasket Posts: 8,924	Originally Posted by ChristineR Why do they always have frequencies? If there were such a thing as a "Homeopathic Crystal" what good would do me to vibrate at its fundamental frequency? Save money on "C" batteries?

28th March 2006, 06:52 AM	#17
rats Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 612	These things also always seem to involve past lives - something I've found to be an excuse for mistakes and anxiety happening in the present. It's also one of the hooks: "Oh, I sense you were a great healer* in a past life!" * insert psychic/medium/whatever as appropriate
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28th March 2006, 07:29 AM	#18
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28th March 2006, 07:34 AM	#19
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28th March 2006, 07:48 AM	#20
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,092	Originally Posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Why do these sorts of things always have levels? I would say it was so the vortex can suck in more money, but that would make me cynical. The first level generally doesn't involve being able to do much (note that in the current example, "sensing in the body" doesn't come in until the "advanced level", and "Clearing the Kundalini Channel, Unwinding the Fascia" offered as part of the "basic level" don't really mean anything much) so that people can be persuaded that they've achieved their "basic training". A bit like yogic flying. Loads of people master the first level of that (bouncing up and down on mattresses) but there doesn't seem to be any evidence that anyone has progressed further.
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28th March 2006, 07:58 AM	#21
deBergerac New Doc on the Block Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Uppsala (Sweden) Posts: 452	Originally Posted by rats I have offered them the $million challenge! Apparently, Vortex Healing channels "intelligent" energy , which wouldn't approve of such a test! Reminds me of Sunday school teachings about how we shouldn't test God (ex-catholic here). At least discussions about the $million challenge have stopped the believers trying to convert me, but their enthusiasm hasn’t waned any and plans to open a 'clinic' are continuing. I do not know if it will help but maybe you should ask those relatives of yours how they know that vortex healing work. My experience is that a lot of people who a very sure about something like vortexes do not know how to separate what they want to believe from what they really know. Ask them how they would determine if it works or not? Since the description of vortexes is of something that changes its surroundings there must be some testable effects. The thing is of course that no matter if it is an intelligent energy or not it will either work or it will not. I am sure that you will have them agree to that. Of course they will probably prefer to change the topic of your discussion but you might just get them to think.

28th March 2006, 10:15 AM	#22
curt Scholar Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 65	alexandra and lorraine Boy, I'm a little tired of the skepticism on this thread. If my InterDimensional vortex, which is at the root of my emotional consciousness, needed some MultiFrequency that uses light and energy frequency to break up my emotional blockages in order for the vortex to 'bridge' the charge into the divine by the direct consciousness transmission from the divine Source of the lineage to my vortex, I can’t think of a better approach. This is as long as Certified VortexHealing® Teacher’s Alexandra and Lorraine can do the healing of the physical body. Both of them. Together. I feel oddly uncomfortable with the Gaia LifeForm releases, however. I can’t quite put my finger on it. I'd like to think I could be open minded. Curt
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29th March 2006, 03:21 AM	#23
rats Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 612	Well, I certainly haven't been disappointed with the humour and advice experienced so far on this forum! One point missed about ‘first levels’ is that they always show how much the new recruit needs to work through their own problems before they get to help others. For example, a scientologist needs to be ‘clear’ or whatever: you have to take (and pay for!) these extra courses before you can move on. When discussing why family members believe in Vortex Healing, the answer was that they don’t believe in it, they just know it works. If vortex healing doesn’t cure someone, then it was not the fate of that person to be healed. A negative result would not mean intelligent energy is complete baloney. If an experiment showed vortex healing had no effect, they’d still know it works.
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