(Merged Thread) Nostradamus Prophecies - USA/Where is my MILLION DOLLARS? - Page 31

Errata · 25th April 2006, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by rjh01

Why do people like drambus come here? Do they infect most forums? Or is it something that attracts them, like winning $1m? Is there anything we can do to stop them or discourage them?

I knew ages ago his behaviour would cause him to be banned. I in fact reported two of his posts (but not the one that got him banned). They mostly are. Easy to predict.

My only opinion is that they should be asked to put up or shut up. If they repeatedly refuse they should be ignored.

I find that the high concentration of this type of person is fairly unique to this forum. I assume it has to do with the challenge, and the fact that nearly every type of paranormal belief system is skewered here. I also post on the snopes urban legend forum, where you might expect there to be a lot of similarly deluded people, but it honestly doesn't happen much there. Perhaps the specific legends debunked don't raise as many hackles as debunking schools of thought.

I don't think there is anything that can be done about it. I think dealing with lunatics is inherent to JREFs mission. Individual posters can of course take themselves out of the discussion at any time. But I think prematurely banning people (even if you know they're going to eventually implode like this) is a bad idea, because it just gives them more ammunition to say the contest is rigged. Better to hear them out and just continue being rational until they either start making sense or implode.

hellaeon · 25th April 2006, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by GzuzKryzt

Hey hellaeon, lots of JD's?

And what the F********************K happened to your sig? That always cracked me up.

Man when I get on the JD's I struggle to type let alone press a mouse button hahaha but points taken

From what I read I believe this guy comes and goes here often?

rjh01 · 26th April 2006, 05:12 AM

Thanks you guys for answering my questions. There were several thought provoking answers.

GzuzKryzt · 26th April 2006, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

Thanks you guys for answering my questions. There were several thought provoking answers.

You're very welcome.

vIQleS · 27th April 2006, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by GzuzKryzt

For the 'ignore' tactics to work, the troll would have to be isolated completely and permanently; i.e. no one ever must reply to this troll's posts. This hardly works on an almost rule free forum (Thanks to JREF)

Therein lies the problem... However much you ignore the troll and want them to go away there's always someone willing to continue the pointless discussion, and you'll always get drawn back to it, like an horrific car accident or a particularly ugly new insect...

Hellbound · 28th April 2006, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by vIQleS

Therein lies the problem... However much you ignore the troll and want them to go away there's always someone willing to continue the pointless discussion, and you'll always get drawn back to it, like an horrific car accident or a particularly ugly new insect...

Or that scab that you know you shouldn't pick at, but just can't help it...

GzuzKryzt · 28th April 2006, 10:05 AM

"Refuse. Resist."

skullerello · 2nd May 2006, 12:24 AM

Hey! My first post; I haven't been on any forum in ages, so, please forgive me if I'm a little rusty.
I know I'm probably flogging a dead lamb here, but it's already May 2nd, and I have yet to see any evidence of anything earth-shattering, miraculous, or apocalyptic going on around me... well, there is this nasty blood-blister on my left palm I developed while removing an old stump from our yard. And I guess it sort of resembles a silhouette of the head of Donny Most aka Ralph Malf of TV's "Happy Days"... and... hey, wait a minute... Donny Most... D.M.!
What if Dr. Mad-ass was right?!
We're all doomed!

Ersby · 2nd May 2006, 12:08 PM

Welcome to the board, but I'm afraid you'll have to cut off your left hand. To save humanity, you understand.

Ririon · 13th August 2006, 04:43 AM

Eh? Wasn't this poster banned?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=55795

The_Fire · 13th August 2006, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ririon

Eh? Wasn't this poster banned?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=55795

Thougt so. Probably a glitch in the update.

So, mabus, still thinking that Depeche Mode is the Antichrist?
And still not capable of producing evidence that you won the challenge, I see.....

The_Fire · 13th August 2006, 05:00 AM

ETA: Nevermind.....

Darat · 13th August 2006, 05:01 AM

As admin: According to that notice he was - I've re-applied the ban and deleted his posts - if another member of the Mod team had reversed his ban for some reason the deletions can always be reversed.

tim · 13th August 2006, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

As admin: According to that notice he was - I've re-applied the ban and deleted his posts - if another member of the Mod team had reversed his ban for some reason the deletions can always be reversed.

Not me, guvn'r! I got a pm from Dr M though, demanding his $1m..............

GzuzKryzt · 18th August 2006, 01:13 PM

Now tell that drmabus chap to give me my zillion dollarse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVucvo-kDU

CynicalSkeptic · 30th June 2009, 07:36 PM

Relevant bump, if you enjoy conversing with insane people.

GzuzKryzt · 30th June 2009, 09:24 PM

now tell that randi chap to give me my milion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wackyvorlon · 7th July 2009, 11:59 PM

Brilliant quote:

"Do you think you could tone down the insanity just a bit though? You're at about a 9 and we need you at a 2."

Very amusing

The_Fire · 8th July 2009, 12:05 AM

Ah, memories......They just don't makes trolls like they used to....

GzuzKryzt · 8th July 2009, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by The_Fire

Ah, memories......They just don't makes trolls like they used to....

Haven't read you in a while.

For me, engaging drmabus in the way I did was the equivalent of a [insert decadent practice]: You always wanted to try it, you kinda knew it would probably suck, you felt uneasy afterward and never will do it again.

Scientist Keith · 10th July 2009, 11:25 PM

We've had Mabus trouble on About.com/Agnosticism-Atheism forum, as well. He's been gagged repeatedly, only to come back with the same old inanity under yet another sock puppet account. He is the most persist troll I've ever seen.

I suggest doing what the moderators on About.com do: gag every Mabus account as soon as it is detected, don't even bother trying to talk with it. This is just some disturbed person who gets kicks out of trolling. He makes no effort at legitimate discourse.

aleCcowaN · 12th July 2009, 01:51 PM

Having disturbed this forum thread after a three years period of dormancy only can be harbinger of ... well, good Nostry surely will ... told us.

whatthebutlersaw · 29th July 2009, 06:53 AM

Wow, it took me two days to read through all that. Even after I started skipping the repeats. It was a masterly performance, I must say.

But somehow, deep inside of me I wonder if somewhere someone is preparing to claim that they have beat the Turing test? (Not really, but still... if not for the banning then would this would still be going on?)

If I were to attempt to write an Eliza and wanted it to avoid the usual bot-falls, then surely a Nostradamus-nut is exactly the kind of persona that would have people overlook a lot of discrepancies and non sequiturs?

Sadly, I don't think this is the case here. If I was a little bit hotter on the ol' programming, maybe it would be fun to write a bot that would respond to these nut-jobs.

"The MILLION is mine! You will be AMAZED!"
"Tell me about this amazing thing."
"It will blow your mind"
"I am sure it will blow my mind. How?"
etc...

and they would be happy. Until the bot learned to ask for evidence.

Azrael 5 · 16th August 2009, 03:24 PM

AHA! So this is Dmabus thread, saw it linked on SCEPCOP forum -where he has been banned 3 times in a week! WOnder what the crazy rants were about. Off to read this thread.

dafydd · 16th August 2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by drmabus

Critical thinkers? More like One-Dimensional thinkers, unable to distinguish between appearance and essence, completely subjugated by the power of existing society, deriving their views of the world and their mode of behaviour from existing practices and modes of thought. You try to debunk any ideas that threaten your closed universe of thought, an empty universe without aim and design......

He's a tonic,isn't he? Funniest thread ever?

dafydd · 16th August 2009, 06:01 PM

When the farmer who bred the six-legged lambs was asked if it tasted like ordinary lamb he replied,'' I don't know,I haven't caught one yet.''

aleCcowaN · 19th August 2009, 03:45 AM

Quote:

You try to debunk any ideas that threaten your closed universe of thought, an empty universe without aim and design...

There are easier ways. It takes courage to live like a passing figure in a godless universe...

Charlie in Dayton · 31st August 2009, 02:00 AM

...uhhh...Carlos, is that you again???

HeyLeroy · 1st September 2009, 03:08 PM

Ahhh, the good old days when we could kitten/recipe threads...

25th April 2006, 07:25 PM	#1202
hellaeon Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: City of Burning Churches, Australia Posts: 1,493	Originally Posted by GzuzKryzt Hey hellaeon, lots of JD's? And what the F********************K happened to your sig? That always cracked me up. Man when I get on the JD's I struggle to type let alone press a mouse button hahaha but points taken From what I read I believe this guy comes and goes here often?
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26th April 2006, 05:30 AM	#1204
GzuzKryzt A Division of N.T. Kryzt Inc. Tagger Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,038	Originally Posted by rjh01 Thanks you guys for answering my questions. There were several thought provoking answers. You're very welcome.
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28th April 2006, 06:07 AM	#1206
Hellbound ex-Huntsman Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,446	Originally Posted by vIQleS Therein lies the problem... However much you ignore the troll and want them to go away there's always someone willing to continue the pointless discussion, and you'll always get drawn back to it, like an horrific car accident or a particularly ugly new insect... Or that scab that you know you shouldn't pick at, but just can't help it...
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28th April 2006, 10:05 AM	#1207
GzuzKryzt A Division of N.T. Kryzt Inc. Tagger Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,038	"Refuse. Resist."
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2nd May 2006, 12:08 PM	#1209
Ersby Fortean Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 1,759	Welcome to the board, but I'm afraid you'll have to cut off your left hand. To save humanity, you understand.
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25th April 2006, 12:37 PM	#1201
Errata Scholar Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Santa Barbara, California Posts: 53	Originally Posted by rjh01 Why do people like drambus come here? Do they infect most forums? Or is it something that attracts them, like winning $1m? Is there anything we can do to stop them or discourage them? I knew ages ago his behaviour would cause him to be banned. I in fact reported two of his posts (but not the one that got him banned). They mostly are. Easy to predict. My only opinion is that they should be asked to put up or shut up. If they repeatedly refuse they should be ignored. I find that the high concentration of this type of person is fairly unique to this forum. I assume it has to do with the challenge, and the fact that nearly every type of paranormal belief system is skewered here. I also post on the snopes urban legend forum, where you might expect there to be a lot of similarly deluded people, but it honestly doesn't happen much there. Perhaps the specific legends debunked don't raise as many hackles as debunking schools of thought. I don't think there is anything that can be done about it. I think dealing with lunatics is inherent to JREFs mission. Individual posters can of course take themselves out of the discussion at any time. But I think prematurely banning people (even if you know they're going to eventually implode like this) is a bad idea, because it just gives them more ammunition to say the contest is rigged. Better to hear them out and just continue being rational until they either start making sense or implode.

26th April 2006, 05:12 AM	#1203
rjh01 Fire Warden Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 11,065	Thanks you guys for answering my questions. There were several thought provoking answers.

27th April 2006, 09:34 PM	#1205
vIQleS Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Auckland NZ Posts: 830	Originally Posted by GzuzKryzt For the 'ignore' tactics to work, the troll would have to be isolated completely and permanently; i.e. no one ever must reply to this troll's posts. This hardly works on an almost rule free forum (Thanks to JREF) Therein lies the problem... However much you ignore the troll and want them to go away there's always someone willing to continue the pointless discussion, and you'll always get drawn back to it, like an horrific car accident or a particularly ugly new insect...

2nd May 2006, 12:24 AM	#1208
skullerello a force for cool Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 513	Hey! My first post; I haven't been on any forum in ages, so, please forgive me if I'm a little rusty. I know I'm probably flogging a dead lamb here, but it's already May 2nd, and I have yet to see any evidence of anything earth-shattering, miraculous, or apocalyptic going on around me... well, there is this nasty blood-blister on my left palm I developed while removing an old stump from our yard. And I guess it sort of resembles a silhouette of the head of Donny Most aka Ralph Malf of TV's "Happy Days"... and... hey, wait a minute... Donny Most... D.M.! What if Dr. Mad-ass was right?! We're all doomed!

13th August 2006, 04:43 AM	#1210
Ririon Cool cat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,788	Eh? Wasn't this poster banned? http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=55795
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13th August 2006, 04:46 AM	#1211
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 2,564	Originally Posted by Ririon Eh? Wasn't this poster banned? http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=55795 Thougt so. Probably a glitch in the update. So, mabus, still thinking that Depeche Mode is the Antichrist? And still not capable of producing evidence that you won the challenge, I see.....
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13th August 2006, 05:00 AM	#1212
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 2,564	ETA: Nevermind.....
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13th August 2006, 05:01 AM	#1213
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 51,824	As admin: According to that notice he was - I've re-applied the ban and deleted his posts - if another member of the Mod team had reversed his ban for some reason the deletions can always be reversed.

13th August 2006, 05:08 AM	#1214
tim Lasiorhinus latifrons Combat Division Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bedfordshire, UK Posts: 10,113	Originally Posted by Darat As admin: According to that notice he was - I've re-applied the ban and deleted his posts - if another member of the Mod team had reversed his ban for some reason the deletions can always be reversed. Not me, guvn'r! I got a pm from Dr M though, demanding his $1m..............
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18th August 2006, 01:13 PM	#1215
GzuzKryzt A Division of N.T. Kryzt Inc. Tagger Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,038	Now tell that drmabus chap to give me my zillion dollarse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdVucvo-kDU
	__________________ "The rules allow for vastly different levels of honesty, knowledge, and intelligence." "I've found from experience that intelligence is no indicator of emotional or mental stability; nor does a high degree of competence in a given field indicate similar competence outside that discipline."

30th June 2009, 07:36 PM	#1216
CynicalSkeptic Muse Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: state of denial Posts: 584	Relevant bump, if you enjoy conversing with insane people.

30th June 2009, 09:24 PM	#1217
GzuzKryzt A Division of N.T. Kryzt Inc. Tagger Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,038	now tell that randi chap to give me my milion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
	__________________ "The rules allow for vastly different levels of honesty, knowledge, and intelligence." "I've found from experience that intelligence is no indicator of emotional or mental stability; nor does a high degree of competence in a given field indicate similar competence outside that discipline."

7th July 2009, 11:59 PM	#1218
wackyvorlon Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sarnia, ON, Canada Posts: 320	Brilliant quote: "Do you think you could tone down the insanity just a bit though? You're at about a 9 and we need you at a 2." Very amusing

8th July 2009, 12:05 AM	#1219
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 2,564	Ah, memories......They just don't makes trolls like they used to....
	__________________ If anyone told you that I'm a nice person, they were either from a different level of existance, lying through their teeth or mentally instable. "We? That better be you and that invisible aardwarck in your pocket you are talking about, because I KNOW you are not stupid enough to open a giant can of whoop ass by claiming you know what I think." Stop Sylvia Browne

8th July 2009, 05:09 AM	#1220
GzuzKryzt A Division of N.T. Kryzt Inc. Tagger Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,038	Originally Posted by The_Fire Ah, memories......They just don't makes trolls like they used to.... Haven't read you in a while. For me, engaging drmabus in the way I did was the equivalent of a [insert decadent practice]: You always wanted to try it, you kinda knew it would probably suck, you felt uneasy afterward and never will do it again.
	__________________ "The rules allow for vastly different levels of honesty, knowledge, and intelligence." "I've found from experience that intelligence is no indicator of emotional or mental stability; nor does a high degree of competence in a given field indicate similar competence outside that discipline."

10th July 2009, 11:25 PM	#1221
Scientist Keith New Blood Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2	We've had Mabus trouble on About.com/Agnosticism-Atheism forum, as well. He's been gagged repeatedly, only to come back with the same old inanity under yet another sock puppet account. He is the most persist troll I've ever seen. I suggest doing what the moderators on About.com do: gag every Mabus account as soon as it is detected, don't even bother trying to talk with it. This is just some disturbed person who gets kicks out of trolling. He makes no effort at legitimate discourse.
Scientist Keith New Blood Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2

12th July 2009, 01:51 PM	#1222
aleCcowaN Thinker Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 231	Having disturbed this forum thread after a three years period of dormancy only can be harbinger of ... well, good Nostry surely will ... told us.

29th July 2009, 06:53 AM	#1223
whatthebutlersaw Muse Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kent, UK Posts: 821	Wow, it took me two days to read through all that. Even after I started skipping the repeats. It was a masterly performance, I must say. But somehow, deep inside of me I wonder if somewhere someone is preparing to claim that they have beat the Turing test? (Not really, but still... if not for the banning then would this would still be going on?) If I were to attempt to write an Eliza and wanted it to avoid the usual bot-falls, then surely a Nostradamus-nut is exactly the kind of persona that would have people overlook a lot of discrepancies and non sequiturs? Sadly, I don't think this is the case here. If I was a little bit hotter on the ol' programming, maybe it would be fun to write a bot that would respond to these nut-jobs. "The MILLION is mine! You will be AMAZED!" "Tell me about this amazing thing." "It will blow your mind" "I am sure it will blow my mind. How?" etc... and they would be happy. Until the bot learned to ask for evidence.

16th August 2009, 03:24 PM	#1224
Azrael 5 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 4,338	AHA! So this is Dmabus thread, saw it linked on SCEPCOP forum -where he has been banned 3 times in a week! WOnder what the crazy rants were about. Off to read this thread.
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16th August 2009, 05:49 PM	#1225
dafydd Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,326	Originally Posted by drmabus Critical thinkers? More like One-Dimensional thinkers, unable to distinguish between appearance and essence, completely subjugated by the power of existing society, deriving their views of the world and their mode of behaviour from existing practices and modes of thought. You try to debunk any ideas that threaten your closed universe of thought, an empty universe without aim and design...... He's a tonic,isn't he? Funniest thread ever?
dafydd Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,326

16th August 2009, 06:01 PM	#1226
dafydd Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,326	When the farmer who bred the six-legged lambs was asked if it tasted like ordinary lamb he replied,'' I don't know,I haven't caught one yet.''
dafydd Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5,326

19th August 2009, 03:45 AM	#1227
aleCcowaN Thinker Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 231	Quote: You try to debunk any ideas that threaten your closed universe of thought, an empty universe without aim and design... There are easier ways. It takes courage to live like a passing figure in a godless universe...
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31st August 2009, 02:00 AM	#1228
Charlie in Dayton Rabid radioactive stargazer and JREF kid Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,067	...uhhh...Carlos, is that you again???
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1st September 2009, 03:08 PM	#1229
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,454	Ahhh, the good old days when we could kitten/recipe threads...
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