Hopi End Times Prophecies

LotusMegami · 13th April 2006, 11:53 PM

While doing the research for a story, I came across a
webpage
that lists many different prophecies about the Apocalyse.
Most are typical preaching repent-ye-sinners drivel, but one stood
out: the Hopi Prophecies. If they really have had these for centuries,
and allowing for interpretation of strange technology, then maybe this
is something worth looking into?

Edited like ten times to get the link right.

JohnF_73 · 14th April 2006, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by LotusMegami

If they really have had these for centuries,
and allowing for interpretation of strange technology, then maybe this
is something worth looking into?

I'd almost swear the Hopi didn't write in English. Without an accurate unbiased look at the source material, this alleged prophecy is already contaminated by someone who has a western-technology endtimes in mind.

Gaga · 14th April 2006, 03:27 AM

Hello, I googled this out, (I would not define that site a reliable source, actually, but at least is surely not biased against the stuff)
http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html
from that link:

Quote:

Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation to generation
through oral traditions and reference to ancient rock pictographs and tablets

and further down:

Quote:

The following extraordinary Hopi prophecy was first published in a mimeographed manuscript that circulated among several Methodist and Presbyterian churches in 1959. Some of the prophecies were published in 1963 by Frank Waters in The Book of the Hopi. The account begins by describing how, while driving along a desert highway one hot day in the summer of 1958, a minister named David Young stopped to offer a ride to an Indian elder, who accepted with a nod. After riding in silence for several minutes, the Indian said:
"I am White Feather, a Hopi of the ancient Bear Clan. In my long life I have traveled through this land, seeking out my brothers, and learning from them many things full of wisdom. I have followed the sacred paths of my people, who inhabit the forests and many lakes in the east, the land of ice and long nights in the north, and the places of holy altars of stone built many years ago by my brothers' fathers in the south. From all these I have heard the stories of the past, and the prophecies of the future.

It seems to me that the alleged prophecies were actually made available after the predicted events took place (end of the world aside

)

Mojo · 14th April 2006, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by LotusMegami

While doing the research for a story, I came across a
webpage
that lists many different prophecies about the Apocalyse.
Most are typical preaching repent-ye-sinners drivel, but one stood
out: the Hopi Prophecies. If they really have had these for centuries,
and allowing for interpretation of strange technology, then maybe this
is something worth looking into?

Quote:

PRE-COLOMBIAN HOPI PROPHECIES

"Before the time of the great Purification, they will make metal roads for iron horses and hang metal ropes in the air."

Were there horses in pre-Columbian North America?

LW · 14th April 2006, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mojo

Were there horses in pre-Columbian North America?

Yes.

But they went extinct some 10,000 or so years ago.

Mojo · 14th April 2006, 04:42 AM

These guys have long memories...

sophia8 · 14th April 2006, 06:30 AM

These "Hopi prophecies" were completely unknown (Including, I suspect, to the Hopis themselves) before Frank Waters wrote about them in his 1963 book.
Waters was a writer who churned out novels and the occasional non-fiction book about the Indians of New Mexico and Mexico. He was respected as a scholar on the ceremonial and religious aspects of Indian culture, but was also a credulous New Ager; the full title of one of his later books is Mexico Mystique: the Coming Sixth World of Consciousness. (Possibly he partook rather too much of the sacred peyote.)
Indians themselves are fed up with Western New Agers stealing and misrepresenting their culture: the Hopi Tribe's view
Respect (no, nothing to do with George Galloway)

Meffy · 14th April 2006, 07:18 PM

My understanding is that religious Hopi do not go around divulging their sacred secrets, without prompting (or even a word of previous discussion of any kind), at random passers-by who give them a ride. :-D

Admittedly, this "understanding" is based largely on Tony Hillerman police novels, but he does seem to hew closely to what he knows and tells where he departs from what he believes to be fact.

13th April 2006, 11:53 PM	#1
LotusMegami Thinker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 192	Hopi End Times Prophecies While doing the research for a story, I came across a webpage that lists many different prophecies about the Apocalyse. Most are typical preaching repent-ye-sinners drivel, but one stood out: the Hopi Prophecies. If they really have had these for centuries, and allowing for interpretation of strange technology, then maybe this is something worth looking into? Edited like ten times to get the link right.
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14th April 2006, 02:42 AM	#2
JohnF_73 Thinker Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 151	Originally Posted by LotusMegami If they really have had these for centuries, and allowing for interpretation of strange technology, then maybe this is something worth looking into? I'd almost swear the Hopi didn't write in English. Without an accurate unbiased look at the source material, this alleged prophecy is already contaminated by someone who has a western-technology endtimes in mind.
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14th April 2006, 03:49 AM	#4
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,084	Originally Posted by LotusMegami While doing the research for a story, I came across a webpage that lists many different prophecies about the Apocalyse. Most are typical preaching repent-ye-sinners drivel, but one stood out: the Hopi Prophecies. If they really have had these for centuries, and allowing for interpretation of strange technology, then maybe this is something worth looking into? Quote: PRE-COLOMBIAN HOPI PROPHECIES "Before the time of the great Purification, they will make metal roads for iron horses and hang metal ropes in the air." Were there horses in pre-Columbian North America?
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14th April 2006, 04:12 AM	#5
LW Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 60°N 25°E Posts: 2,800	Originally Posted by Mojo Were there horses in pre-Columbian North America? Yes. But they went extinct some 10,000 or so years ago.
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14th April 2006, 04:42 AM	#6
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 22,084	These guys have long memories...
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14th April 2006, 03:27 AM	#3
Gaga Scholar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Under a bridge in Venice Posts: 114	Hello, I googled this out, (I would not define that site a reliable source, actually, but at least is surely not biased against the stuff) http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi2.html from that link: Quote: Hopi Elders pass warnings and prophecies from generation to generation through oral traditions and reference to ancient rock pictographs and tablets and further down: Quote: The following extraordinary Hopi prophecy was first published in a mimeographed manuscript that circulated among several Methodist and Presbyterian churches in 1959. Some of the prophecies were published in 1963 by Frank Waters in The Book of the Hopi. The account begins by describing how, while driving along a desert highway one hot day in the summer of 1958, a minister named David Young stopped to offer a ride to an Indian elder, who accepted with a nod. After riding in silence for several minutes, the Indian said: "I am White Feather, a Hopi of the ancient Bear Clan. In my long life I have traveled through this land, seeking out my brothers, and learning from them many things full of wisdom. I have followed the sacred paths of my people, who inhabit the forests and many lakes in the east, the land of ice and long nights in the north, and the places of holy altars of stone built many years ago by my brothers' fathers in the south. From all these I have heard the stories of the past, and the prophecies of the future. It seems to me that the alleged prophecies were actually made available after the predicted events took place (end of the world aside )

14th April 2006, 06:30 AM	#7
sophia8 Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In the dark, dark forest.... Posts: 2,254	These "Hopi prophecies" were completely unknown (Including, I suspect, to the Hopis themselves) before Frank Waters wrote about them in his 1963 book. Waters was a writer who churned out novels and the occasional non-fiction book about the Indians of New Mexico and Mexico. He was respected as a scholar on the ceremonial and religious aspects of Indian culture, but was also a credulous New Ager; the full title of one of his later books is Mexico Mystique: the Coming Sixth World of Consciousness. (Possibly he partook rather too much of the sacred peyote.) Indians themselves are fed up with Western New Agers stealing and misrepresenting their culture: the Hopi Tribe's view Respect (no, nothing to do with George Galloway)

14th April 2006, 07:18 PM	#8
Meffy Anthropomorphic Skunk Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Unincorporated Territory of Croatan Posts: 4,232	My understanding is that religious Hopi do not go around divulging their sacred secrets, without prompting (or even a word of previous discussion of any kind), at random passers-by who give them a ride. :-D Admittedly, this "understanding" is based largely on Tony Hillerman police novels, but he does seem to hew closely to what he knows and tells where he departs from what he believes to be fact.