Let's enjoy our olives & salt! (hold the strawberries)

webfusion · 15th April 2006, 05:38 AM

From a blog I read yesterday: (offered as a response to a suggestion that HAMAS could be a force for positive direction for the Palestinian people) ---

"Hamas is nothing but a new seed of what is to come, The Arab and Muslim people are awakening form a deep sleep. Enjoy your day in the sun, jew, for the day will soon come when you will be judge for your inhumane and Fascist treatment of the OWNERS of every centimeter of the holy land. Those same people you ill treat today will be your judge tomorrow and they will have no mercy. No one will come to your aid when we take you down and punish you with what you deserve. Jews are the cause of ALL evils in the world, take the jews out and see how peaceful earth can be. You are a curse on humanity and humanity needs to cleanse itself of your evil cult."

While at the same time, in Iran, (the main supporter of the HAMAS brand of insanity) we are treated to this gem:

Iranian President Ahmadinejad said "like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihiliation."
"The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm"
"The existence of the Zionist regime is tantamount to an imposition of an unending and unrestrained threat so that none of the nations and Islamic countries of the region and beyond can feel secure from its threat," Ahmadinejad expounded from the podium at an international conference formed by Iran to raise funds for the new Palestinian Authority of Hamastan.

Also Friday, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called on the Islamic world to support Hamas and its resistance against Israel.
"The Islamic world is obliged to help [Hamas] in all possible ways and support continuation of this holy path [of resistance against Israel]," Khamenei said in the opening ceremony of the event.

I ask here --- Where's this all leading?

Rob Lister · 15th April 2006, 07:10 AM

I would love to get into the head of some of these insane people to get a glimpse of what and how their thought processes work. I can't figure out what their goal is other than power for power's sake.

webfusion · 15th April 2006, 09:24 AM

Rob, which insanity would you like to explore in depth? The defective mentality of the average blogger/jihadist.islamonazis or the special brand of insanity demonstrated by leaders of nations/states/governments/religions?

Mycroft · 15th April 2006, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

I would love to get into the head of some of these insane people to get a glimpse of what and how their thought processes work. I can't figure out what their goal is other than power for power's sake.

Think of the Ku Klux Klan after our civil war.

Facing the tide of history and the inevitable decline of their power, they rise up, muster all the bravado they can, and proclaim their intent to subjugate the object of their racial hatred, the ones they blame for their declining status.

They mean every word and are just as dangerous as they would have us believe they are. Just like the Ku Klux Klan, it will be generations before they are put down, but in the end they will be.

And just like the Ku Klux Klan, initially they will have the support of like-minded sympathizers, but eventually they will be recognized for the wretched, hateful scum that they are.

Rob Lister · 15th April 2006, 10:38 AM

Well, Mycroft, I agree that their mindset is almost exactly like that of the KKK.

Imagine the KKK having access, or near access, to nukes?

Really, that's what we're looking at in the not-so-far future. Of course, I'd suggest that the KKK was tame by their standards.

Mycroft · 15th April 2006, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

Well, Mycroft, I agree that their mindset is almost exactly like that of the KKK.

Imagine the KKK having access, or near access, to nukes?

Really, that's what we're looking at in the not-so-far future. Of course, I'd suggest that the KKK was tame by their standards.

The problem with the analogy is the ideals of the KKK were against the law, which is why its supporters needed the robes with hoods. This Islamist ideology is very much the law in places, and is supported by powerful people with lots of money.

luchog · 16th April 2006, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

The problem with the analogy is the ideals of the KKK were against the law, which is why its supporters needed the robes with hoods. This Islamist ideology is very much the law in places, and is supported by powerful people with lots of money.

There's also the issue that the KKK was originally anti-intellectual and very classist; so that anyone with a substantial amount of money and/or education was looked on with just as much suspicion and distrust as minorities were, and prohibited from associating with the "pure" KKK. There were quite a few people in higher economic classes, as well as academia, who agreed with them on principle; but were alienated by the KKK's attitude toward them; which resulted in the KKK being generally viewed as a bunch of ignorant hicks. They never developed any real credibility with the racist intelligensia, at a time when such support would have been vital to accomplishing any of their goals.

Eventually that policy was rescinded; but by that point the damage was done. Their reputation as stupid white trash was cemented, and they were well into their decline; so there was no real strong organization left, just a lot of small groups that were generally seen as fringe-dwellers, lunatics, and cranks. Had it not been for their strict classism, they could easily have become an American Taliban, and a fairly effective terrorist organization, since popular support wouldn't have been hard to get, had they the money and influence that the intelligensia would have provided.

The radical Islamist organizations, on the other hand, have been created and led by the moneyed intelligensia; and therefore have the influence necessary to achieve a large number of converts from all stratas of their society with few, if any, negative associations.

Mycroft · 16th April 2006, 01:23 PM

Luchog you always have interesting insights on any topic. You should post more.

Rob Lister · 17th April 2006, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

The problem with the analogy is the ideals of the KKK were against the law, which is why its supporters needed the robes with hoods. This Islamist ideology is very much the law in places, and is supported by powerful people with lots of money.

Rob Lister · 17th April 2006, 06:11 AM

webfusion · 17th April 2006, 06:18 AM

Uh, something went wrong there with the in-line posting of images, RL.
(Watch out for Rule 4)

If you wish to post a linked photo from another website, I suggest you provide this disclaimer, to satisfy the JREF admin. --

Image is offered for 'commentary' purposes under the Fair Use Doctrine:
US Code Title 17, Circular 92, Chapter 1, Section 107 -----
the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction by any means, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

Just my personal thoughts on the matter.

luchog · 17th April 2006, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

Luchog you always have interesting insights on any topic. You should post more.

I would, but my schedule doesn't permit me to spend that much time online. Even when I give up baiting Claus for laughs.

15th April 2006, 05:38 AM	#1
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near I-95 Posts: 6,216	Let's enjoy our olives & salt! (hold the strawberries) From a blog I read yesterday: (offered as a response to a suggestion that HAMAS could be a force for positive direction for the Palestinian people) --- "Hamas is nothing but a new seed of what is to come, The Arab and Muslim people are awakening form a deep sleep. Enjoy your day in the sun, jew, for the day will soon come when you will be judge for your inhumane and Fascist treatment of the OWNERS of every centimeter of the holy land. Those same people you ill treat today will be your judge tomorrow and they will have no mercy. No one will come to your aid when we take you down and punish you with what you deserve. Jews are the cause of ALL evils in the world, take the jews out and see how peaceful earth can be. You are a curse on humanity and humanity needs to cleanse itself of your evil cult." While at the same time, in Iran, (the main supporter of the HAMAS brand of insanity) we are treated to this gem: Iranian President Ahmadinejad said "like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihiliation." "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm" "The existence of the Zionist regime is tantamount to an imposition of an unending and unrestrained threat so that none of the nations and Islamic countries of the region and beyond can feel secure from its threat," Ahmadinejad expounded from the podium at an international conference formed by Iran to raise funds for the new Palestinian Authority of Hamastan. Also Friday, Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called on the Islamic world to support Hamas and its resistance against Israel. "The Islamic world is obliged to help [Hamas] in all possible ways and support continuation of this holy path [of resistance against Israel]," Khamenei said in the opening ceremony of the event. I ask here --- Where's this all leading?

15th April 2006, 09:24 AM	#3
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near I-95 Posts: 6,216	choose your poison -- Rob, which insanity would you like to explore in depth? The defective mentality of the average blogger/jihadist.islamonazis or the special brand of insanity demonstrated by leaders of nations/states/governments/religions?
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15th April 2006, 09:42 AM	#4
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,103	Originally Posted by Rob Lister I would love to get into the head of some of these insane people to get a glimpse of what and how their thought processes work. I can't figure out what their goal is other than power for power's sake. Think of the Ku Klux Klan after our civil war. Facing the tide of history and the inevitable decline of their power, they rise up, muster all the bravado they can, and proclaim their intent to subjugate the object of their racial hatred, the ones they blame for their declining status. They mean every word and are just as dangerous as they would have us believe they are. Just like the Ku Klux Klan, it will be generations before they are put down, but in the end they will be. And just like the Ku Klux Klan, initially they will have the support of like-minded sympathizers, but eventually they will be recognized for the wretched, hateful scum that they are.
	__________________ Surely Israel is the party to blame? -a_unique_person I do have Mycroft on ignore, he is pretty much the Matt Giwer of your side. -a_unique_person Palestinian Refugees

15th April 2006, 11:24 AM	#6
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,103	Originally Posted by Rob Lister Well, Mycroft, I agree that their mindset is almost exactly like that of the KKK. Imagine the KKK having access, or near access, to nukes? Really, that's what we're looking at in the not-so-far future. Of course, I'd suggest that the KKK was tame by their standards. The problem with the analogy is the ideals of the KKK were against the law, which is why its supporters needed the robes with hoods. This Islamist ideology is very much the law in places, and is supported by powerful people with lots of money.
	__________________ Surely Israel is the party to blame? -a_unique_person I do have Mycroft on ignore, he is pretty much the Matt Giwer of your side. -a_unique_person Palestinian Refugees

16th April 2006, 11:50 AM	#7
luchog Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Emerald City Posts: 7,957	Originally Posted by Mycroft The problem with the analogy is the ideals of the KKK were against the law, which is why its supporters needed the robes with hoods. This Islamist ideology is very much the law in places, and is supported by powerful people with lots of money. There's also the issue that the KKK was originally anti-intellectual and very classist; so that anyone with a substantial amount of money and/or education was looked on with just as much suspicion and distrust as minorities were, and prohibited from associating with the "pure" KKK. There were quite a few people in higher economic classes, as well as academia, who agreed with them on principle; but were alienated by the KKK's attitude toward them; which resulted in the KKK being generally viewed as a bunch of ignorant hicks. They never developed any real credibility with the racist intelligensia, at a time when such support would have been vital to accomplishing any of their goals. Eventually that policy was rescinded; but by that point the damage was done. Their reputation as stupid white trash was cemented, and they were well into their decline; so there was no real strong organization left, just a lot of small groups that were generally seen as fringe-dwellers, lunatics, and cranks. Had it not been for their strict classism, they could easily have become an American Taliban, and a fairly effective terrorist organization, since popular support wouldn't have been hard to get, had they the money and influence that the intelligensia would have provided. The radical Islamist organizations, on the other hand, have been created and led by the moneyed intelligensia; and therefore have the influence necessary to achieve a large number of converts from all stratas of their society with few, if any, negative associations.
	__________________ "All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others." -- Douglas Adams "The absence of evidence might indeed not be evidence of absence, but it's a pretty good start." -- PhantomWolf "Let's see the buggers figure that one out." - John Lennon

15th April 2006, 07:10 AM	#2
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	I would love to get into the head of some of these insane people to get a glimpse of what and how their thought processes work. I can't figure out what their goal is other than power for power's sake.

15th April 2006, 10:38 AM	#5
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Well, Mycroft, I agree that their mindset is almost exactly like that of the KKK. Imagine the KKK having access, or near access, to nukes? Really, that's what we're looking at in the not-so-far future. Of course, I'd suggest that the KKK was tame by their standards.

16th April 2006, 01:23 PM	#8
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,103	Luchog you always have interesting insights on any topic. You should post more.
	__________________ Surely Israel is the party to blame? -a_unique_person I do have Mycroft on ignore, he is pretty much the Matt Giwer of your side. -a_unique_person Palestinian Refugees

17th April 2006, 06:10 AM	#9
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by Mycroft The problem with the analogy is the ideals of the KKK were against the law, which is why its supporters needed the robes with hoods. This Islamist ideology is very much the law in places, and is supported by powerful people with lots of money.

17th April 2006, 06:11 AM	#10
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523

17th April 2006, 06:18 AM	#11
webfusion Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Near I-95 Posts: 6,216	Uh, something went wrong there with the in-line posting of images, RL. (Watch out for Rule 4) If you wish to post a linked photo from another website, I suggest you provide this disclaimer, to satisfy the JREF admin. -- Image is offered for 'commentary' purposes under the Fair Use Doctrine: US Code Title 17, Circular 92, Chapter 1, Section 107 ----- the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction by any means, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. Just my personal thoughts on the matter.

17th April 2006, 03:09 PM	#12
luchog Neo-Post-Retro-Revivalist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Emerald City Posts: 7,957	Originally Posted by Mycroft Luchog you always have interesting insights on any topic. You should post more. I would, but my schedule doesn't permit me to spend that much time online. Even when I give up baiting Claus for laughs.
	__________________ "All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others." -- Douglas Adams "The absence of evidence might indeed not be evidence of absence, but it's a pretty good start." -- PhantomWolf "Let's see the buggers figure that one out." - John Lennon