Psychics and Missing People - Page 17

Katachresis · 16th April 2006, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

Anyone want to register in another forum ...

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37076 ...

...Unfortunately, the subforum where this is posted is private. Only ...

...Edited to add a thread in which Rocky was dead wrong, but never came back to admit it:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=rocky

OK, I'm in.

I'll see what I can find, and let you know what happens.

Kelly · 16th April 2006, 10:16 PM

I see you. Have fun in there. Thanks.

Katachresis · 16th April 2006, 10:25 PM

It looks like a fundraising scam from what I see (from his website):

"On the news last night....
We are continuously expanding our system, but for us to finish doing it right would cost millions. It costs us anywhere from $5K-$50K to install each probe depending on the amount of traffic going through the site, a lot of larger companies have paid to install their own probes.
I've spent a lot of time over the last 3 1/2 years (since my daughter's best friend was kidnapped and killed by a pedovile) trying to make the world a safer place for our children. I fought for the amber alert, and the online databases, and have spent thousands of hours over the last few years helping to design and develop a protection system for the internet. But, I am quite thankful for all the geniuses that volunteered their time in helping put it all together, they are in place to run the operation.
My concentration is changing to fundraising at this point, but I have no experience in raising money for an operation of this caliber and would love to hear from anyone willing to help...(email address here)
Project ORN where the predators, become the hunted...
ORN - Offender Registration Network"

ETA: OH, and I forgot:

"Project ORN DONATION $100
Quantity:"

Kelly · 16th April 2006, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Katachresis

It looks like a fundraising scam from what I see (from his website):

"On the news last night....
We are continuously expanding our system, but for us to finish doing it right would cost millions. It costs us anywhere from $5K-$50K to install each probe depending on the amount of traffic going through the site, a lot of larger companies have paid to install their own probes.
I've spent a lot of time over the last 3 1/2 years (since my daughter's best friend was kidnapped and killed by a pedovile) trying to make the world a safer place for our children. I fought for the amber alert, and the online databases, and have spent thousands of hours over the last few years helping to design and develop a protection system for the internet. But, I am quite thankful for all the geniuses that volunteered their time in helping put it all together, they are in place to run the operation.
My concentration is changing to fundraising at this point, but I have no experience in raising money for an operation of this caliber and would love to hear from anyone willing to help...(email address here)
Project ORN where the predators, become the hunted...
ORN - Offender Registration Network"

ETA: OH, and I forgot:

"Project ORN DONATION $100
Quantity:"

I saw that, too, but I don't think that has anything to do with his claimed psychic abilities. He never mentions this on that forum that I have noticed. It may be time comsuming to find each thread where he mentions his visions, etc, other than the vague one I posted. He never does explain that, not is it explained anywhere else.

Thanks.

rjh01 · 16th April 2006, 11:42 PM

Something strange. Click on 'main page' (top right hand corner) and it goes to http://www.randi.org/ .

No joke.

John Jackson · 17th April 2006, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I'm getting a few blog hits from this forum. Does anyone know anything about them? Thanks.

http://badpsychic.proboards53.com/index.cgi

Yes, Kelly.

It's another UK skeptically orientated site/forum. The project is going to be relaunched shortly with a new name and new look which is why it's currently only readable by members.

It should be open in the not too distant future.

John

chillzero · 17th April 2006, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Katachresis

It looks like a fundraising scam from what I see (from his website):
My concentration is changing to fundraising at this point, but I have no experience in raising money for an operation of this caliber and would love to hear from anyone willing to help...(email address here)
Project ORN where the predators, become the hunted...
ORN - Offender Registration Network"

ETA: OH, and I forgot:

"Project ORN DONATION $100
Quantity:"

Project ORN -
Umm... Donation showing on your credit card from "P.O.R.N."??

Katachresis · 17th April 2006, 09:01 AM

I tried to get in to the site today, but I got this in my email this morning:

Dear K*****,
Unfortunately your registration at Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community did not meet our membership requirements. Therefore your registration was deleted.
Sorry,
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community team

I didn't even have time to post anything.

meg · 17th April 2006, 09:04 AM

Yup. That's the same message I got, Katachresis. Well, at least now I won't take it so personally.

Meg

Kelly · 17th April 2006, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by John Jackson

Yes, Kelly.

It's another UK skeptically orientated site/forum. The project is going to be relaunched shortly with a new name and new look which is why it's currently only readable by members.

It should be open in the not too distant future.

John

THanks, John. I just wanted to check that it was an ok site as they were linking to me.

Originally Posted by rjh01

Something strange. Click on 'main page' (top right hand corner) and it goes to http://www.randi.org/ .

No joke.

When you click on what main page, please?

Kelly · 17th April 2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by meg

Yup. That's the same message I got, Katachresis. Well, at least now I won't take it so personally.

Meg

Did you both use web based email addy's. That's probably why.

I agree that Project ORN, shortened to PORN is odd. Why someone would choose a name that could be abbreviated as such is beyond me.

CptColumbo · 17th April 2006, 10:34 AM

I remember during the Jacob Wetterling case, here in MN, that one of the local stations asked a psychic to do a reading. She predicted he would be near water. We're "the Land of 10,000 Lakes," that ain't to big a prediction.

I think it was WCCO, but I'm sure the Wetterling Foundation can give you more info. I haven't paid much attention to the case since then, but I think he was never found.

Kelly · 17th April 2006, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by CptColumbo

I remember during the Jacob Wetterling case, here in MN, that one of the local stations asked a psychic to do a reading. She predicted he would be near water. We're "the Land of 10,000 Lakes," that ain't to big a prediction.

I think it was WCCO, but I'm sure the Wetterling Foundation can give you more info. I haven't paid much attention to the case since then, but I think he was never found.

He was never found. Last year, there was a young man who was thought to be Jacob. They wanted him to do a DNA test, but he never would. I believe in the end they do not think was him, but I am not sure. I know Patty through a volunteer org called TEAM Hope. I should ask her.

Thanks.

meg · 17th April 2006, 02:42 PM

Hi Kelly,

No, I used a real email address. Went through the registration, they verified my email, and clicked the link, etc. I was just waiting for the final approval by an administration type for my registration to be complete when I received an email like Katachresis.

I did not, however, fill out anything in the "who referred you" line. Perhaps they only take people who are friends of present members or something?

Meg

RSLancastr · 17th April 2006, 03:36 PM

Kelly, I'm not sure what to say about today's blog entry (by RebKah Howard).

It's almost pro-psychic, just saying that some psychics aren't reputable, and that some are "gifted but vague."

On the whole, I think the article would leave someone with the impression that psychic detectives are still helpful, they just didn't help in this one case.

rjh01 · 17th April 2006, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

When you click on what main page, please?

I am talking about the 'bad psychics' website. It has 'welcome to badpsychics' in the top middle of the page. On the left of that are the words 'main page'. Click on that and it goes to the JREF page.

I also found where the reference to your site is.

Kelly · 17th April 2006, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Kelly, I'm not sure what to say about today's blog entry (by RebKah Howard).

It's almost pro-psychic, just saying that some psychics aren't reputable, and that some are "gifted but vague."

On the whole, I think the article would leave someone with the impression that psychic detectives are still helpful, they just didn't help in this one case.

I was never quite comfortable with her entry. I left it as is because I provided supporting links that are certainly not pro-Renier. Even as I posted it, I still didn't feel right about it. I went back and edited it. Rebkah will understand as I made it clear that I didn't want it to be encouraging. In the light of day, and under the microscope of others, it was too soft.

I think it now still doesn't take away from her softer approach, but leaves out the encouraging statements.

Thank you.

Kelly · 17th April 2006, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by meg

Hi Kelly,

No, I used a real email address. Went through the registration, they verified my email, and clicked the link, etc. I was just waiting for the final approval by an administration type for my registration to be complete when I received an email like Katachresis.

I did not, however, fill out anything in the "who referred you" line. Perhaps they only take people who are friends of present members or something?

Meg

I'm not sure. That doesn't seem fair to exclude someone because they were not referred.

In the scheme of things, I suppose Rocky is no big hitter. He just annoys the heck out of me, and contributes to the level of woo over there.

Personally, I'd rather do a proverbial smack on the noggin to that creep in Canada who says he can pinpoint a missing child anywhere in 2 seconds flat.

Thanks for trying, both of you.

Gr8wight · 17th April 2006, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I'm not sure. That doesn't seem fair to exclude someone because they were not referred.

In the scheme of things, I suppose Rocky is no big hitter. He just annoys the heck out of me, and contributes to the level of woo over there.

Personally, I'd rather do a proverbial smack on the noggin to that creep in Canada who says he can pinpoint a missing child anywhere in 2 seconds flat.

Thanks for trying, both of you.

They may have checked the referral stats of their website to see where the originating link that led you to them came from. Maybe someone should try signing up without using the link from here to click through to them. Copy and paste the link into the address bar of a newly opened browser window and see what happens.

Kiless · 17th April 2006, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Gr8wight

They may have checked the referral stats of their website to see where the originating link that led you to them came from. Maybe someone should try signing up without using the link from here to click through to them. Copy and paste the link into the address bar of a newly opened browser window and see what happens.

Or perhaps use http://www.the-cloak.com/anonymous-surfing-home.html ?

Kiless · 17th April 2006, 08:35 PM

Ah, just occured, perhaps they're keeping an eye on this thread due to the referral stats?

Kiless · 17th April 2006, 08:37 PM

Would contacting Tricia Griffith and being up-front about the concerns regarding psychic predators be useful? I noted an email address on the top of the http://www.websleuths.com/ site. If you say that you're not there to troll or anything nasty, it may help.

Kiless · 17th April 2006, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by John Jackson

Yes, Kelly.

It's another UK skeptically orientated site/forum. The project is going to be relaunched shortly with a new name and new look which is why it's currently only readable by members.

It should be open in the not too distant future.

John

Might want to get the JREF forum to add them to the Links.

Kelly · 17th April 2006, 08:56 PM

I had never heard of a forum being able to tell where a prospective member clicked in from, but I believe it!

I know Tricia personally, and she knows I am doing the series and supports it. However, my preference was to be anonymous in a sense when trying to do a little "woo prevention" over there. It might be claimed I am biased, hence the new members who try to win over believers with logic.

Thanks for the info......I learned something new today.

Kiless · 17th April 2006, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I know Tricia personally, and she knows I am doing the series and supports it. However, my preference was to be anonymous in a sense when trying to do a little "woo prevention" over there. It might be claimed I am biased, hence the new members who try to win over believers with logic.

Thanks for the info......I learned something new today.

Yeah, as you said, you know her personally. But it might help if people here contacted her, said that they were (and are!) genuinely interested in contributing to the forum (just as they are genuinely interested in contributing to helping with missing people in general) and will behave themselves instead of gung-ho 'debunking' attitudes. In fact, it'd be interesting to see what tactics are used and perhaps use that as the basis of essays and responses here. Sort of a devil's advocate thing.

And if people are going to end up looking over here, it's best not to look like maroons who are just going to charge in and create flamewars.

And hello to anyone from that forum who are wondering where people are coming from!

Kelly · 17th April 2006, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Kiless

Yeah, as you said, you know her personally. But it might help if people here contacted her, said that they were (and are!) genuinely interested in contributing to the forum (just as they are genuinely interested in contributing to helping with missing people in general) and will behave themselves instead of gung-ho 'debunking' attitudes. In fact, it'd be interesting to see what tactics are used and perhaps use that as the basis of essays and responses here. Sort of a devil's advocate thing.

And if people are going to end up looking over here, it's best not to look like maroons who are just going to charge in and create flamewars.

And hello to anyone from that forum who are wondering where people are coming from!

No, we certainly wouldn't want to look like angry cynics.

The "woo" people took over my psychic thread over there with Rocky remaining unchallenged. I wish I had the time to take on those challenges personally, but I don't. This is an aside to my not wanting to alienate the general population, because they are a very helpful group when it comes to missing person's cases.

At this point, it's up to the volunteers if they wish to pursue it. I hope the WS admins will have an open mind to this. It is highly unlikely that Tricia approves the memberships herself.

Hi Websleuths admins!

RSLancastr · 18th April 2006, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I think it now still doesn't take away from her softer approach, but leaves out the encouraging statements.

Better. Thanks.

Gr8wight · 18th April 2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

I had never heard of a forum being able to tell where a prospective member clicked in from, but I believe it!

I know Tricia personally, and she knows I am doing the series and supports it. However, my preference was to be anonymous in a sense when trying to do a little "woo prevention" over there. It might be claimed I am biased, hence the new members who try to win over believers with logic.

Thanks for the info......I learned something new today.

What do you mean? You told me you could see when someone came to your blog from mine. No different.

Luke T. · 18th April 2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

No, we certainly wouldn't want to look like angry cynics.

I'm an angry cynic when it comes to psychic predators. They better not sign me up for their forum.

Kelly · 18th April 2006, 03:09 PM

A forum would not work quite the same way as the blog. I assume they would have a more complex hits tracker. On the blog, I can only see history going back so many pages. I can't see, for example, visitor info from 3 days ago.

The registration process on a forum isn't on par with leaving a blog comment. I have no idea where the anonymous commenters come from because my hits counter is fairly basic and doesn't take a leap from the blog page to the comments page, which is a separate page anyway with no hits counter.

I don't know alot about forums and the way the hits might track a person as they visit the site and then register, but I suppose had I thought about it long enough and hard enough, it might have occurred to me that they would know where the person entered their site.

Luke T. · 18th April 2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

A forum would not work quite the same way as the blog. I assume they would have a more complex hits tracker. On the blog, I can only see history going back so many pages. I can't see, for example, visitor info from 3 days ago.

The registration process on a forum isn't on par with leaving a blog comment. I have no idea where the anonymous commenters come from because my hits counter is fairly basic and doesn't take a leap from the blog page to the comments page, which is a separate page anyway with no hits counter.

I don't know alot about forums and the way the hits might track a person as they visit the site and then register, but I suppose had I thought about it long enough and hard enough, it might have occurred to me that they would know where the person entered their site.

Years ago on here, someone linked to a web page of a guy who claimed he could make clouds disappear with his mind. Neal Slade. Well, Neal was able to detect that a link to his page was here and he dropped in. Much hilarity ensued.

Luke T. · 18th April 2006, 03:14 PM

And just out of habit, I always go from one web site to another via Google precisely for this reason. I made Google my home page and hit the Home button every time I leap in or out of a web site.

RSLancastr · 18th April 2006, 05:17 PM

The stats kept by my StopKaz site tells me all of the web pages people have linked to my site from, but it does not tell me who linked from where.

But I can imagine such a thing being a feature of forum software.

Gr8wight · 18th April 2006, 07:15 PM

A good counter can record the IP address of a visitor, which pages on your website that visitor viewed, and the web page that visitor arrived from. All fairly standard counter technology.

No matter.

Kelly · 18th April 2006, 08:14 PM

In other news, I was contacted by a reporter for People Magazine and had a preliminary interview, which has been submitted to go up the food chain there. Now, before you get all excited, the topic of discussion is the emotional effects of having a missing loved one. There is no guarantee at this point in the process of it ever making the magazine. It's in the beginning processes.

However, you will be pleased to know that I took the opportunity to educate her on our issues here, and I strongly suggested that she consider it for a future story. (I gave her the link to the series.)

I then remembered that I have a direct contact with a reporter from USA Today from the time we were in there last July. I sent him the link and basic info as well.

When I get done with the series, I will send it to other media who take an interest in missing persons, such as Nancy Grace and Greta.

Katachresis · 18th April 2006, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by KellyJ

In other news, I was contacted by a reporter ....

Kelly, you never cease to amaze me.

Kelly · 20th April 2006, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Katachresis

Kelly, you never cease to amaze me.

Thanks Kat.

I'm back after a busy couple of busy days with our board meeting going on and some unexpected technical issues.

ysabella · 20th April 2006, 07:10 PM

This has nothing to do with psychics, but I thought I'd pass on the good news that my home state is putting photos of missing kids on the sides of trucks now. Alright, Washington!

Kelly · 20th April 2006, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by ysabella

This has nothing to do with psychics, but I thought I'd pass on the good news that my home state is putting photos of missing kids on the sides of trucks now. Alright, Washington!

Hello ysabella,

Thanks for the story link. I saw this earlier this evening and was very pleased, especially for Shania's mother. She was our 1st parental abduction case. I wish I could say she was back home. It's been too long.

Kelly

rjh01 · 21st April 2006, 11:10 PM

Volunteer needed on this site (PSYCHICS WHO THINK THEY CAN HELP OR OFFER INFORMATION) http://flfiesta.com/forum/index.php (high level forum). The sub forum was almost dead for a time then psychicladyshar has started posting lots of stuff there. She claims to be a psychic.

I would love to challenge her, but I think I am a bit out of my depth with this lady. Does anyone want to got there and challenge her? So far no-one has.

Otherwise any tips on how I can do it? I already have put a few posts there showing how stupid the psychics are, but those were easy to do. I am expecting a hostile reception (obvious statement).

The forum exists to help find a missing lady.

16th April 2006, 10:13 PM	#641
Katachresis Learning to Fly Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lost in a Haze Posts: 2,525	Originally Posted by KellyJ Anyone want to register in another forum ... http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37076 ... ...Unfortunately, the subforum where this is posted is private. Only ... ...Edited to add a thread in which Rocky was dead wrong, but never came back to admit it: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=rocky OK, I'm in. I'll see what I can find, and let you know what happens.
	__________________ "'Where is evil? In the rat whose nature it is to steal the grain. Or in the cat, whose nature it is to kill the rat?' - Master Po 'The rat steals. Yet, for him, the cat is evil.' - Caine 'And to the cat, the rat.' - Master Po 'Yet, Master, surely one of them is evil.' - Caine 'The rat does not steal, the cat does not murder. Rain falls, the stream flows, a hill remains. Each acts according to its nature.' - Po

16th April 2006, 10:16 PM	#642
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	I see you. Have fun in there. Thanks.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

16th April 2006, 10:25 PM	#643
Katachresis Learning to Fly Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lost in a Haze Posts: 2,525	It looks like a fundraising scam from what I see (from his website): "On the news last night.... We are continuously expanding our system, but for us to finish doing it right would cost millions. It costs us anywhere from $5K-$50K to install each probe depending on the amount of traffic going through the site, a lot of larger companies have paid to install their own probes. I've spent a lot of time over the last 3 1/2 years (since my daughter's best friend was kidnapped and killed by a pedovile) trying to make the world a safer place for our children. I fought for the amber alert, and the online databases, and have spent thousands of hours over the last few years helping to design and develop a protection system for the internet. But, I am quite thankful for all the geniuses that volunteered their time in helping put it all together, they are in place to run the operation. My concentration is changing to fundraising at this point, but I have no experience in raising money for an operation of this caliber and would love to hear from anyone willing to help...(email address here) Project ORN where the predators, become the hunted... ORN - Offender Registration Network" ETA: OH, and I forgot: "Project ORN DONATION $100 Quantity:"
	__________________ "'Where is evil? In the rat whose nature it is to steal the grain. Or in the cat, whose nature it is to kill the rat?' - Master Po 'The rat steals. Yet, for him, the cat is evil.' - Caine 'And to the cat, the rat.' - Master Po 'Yet, Master, surely one of them is evil.' - Caine 'The rat does not steal, the cat does not murder. Rain falls, the stream flows, a hill remains. Each acts according to its nature.' - Po

16th April 2006, 10:40 PM	#644
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	Originally Posted by Katachresis It looks like a fundraising scam from what I see (from his website): "On the news last night.... We are continuously expanding our system, but for us to finish doing it right would cost millions. It costs us anywhere from $5K-$50K to install each probe depending on the amount of traffic going through the site, a lot of larger companies have paid to install their own probes. I've spent a lot of time over the last 3 1/2 years (since my daughter's best friend was kidnapped and killed by a pedovile) trying to make the world a safer place for our children. I fought for the amber alert, and the online databases, and have spent thousands of hours over the last few years helping to design and develop a protection system for the internet. But, I am quite thankful for all the geniuses that volunteered their time in helping put it all together, they are in place to run the operation. My concentration is changing to fundraising at this point, but I have no experience in raising money for an operation of this caliber and would love to hear from anyone willing to help...(email address here) Project ORN where the predators, become the hunted... ORN - Offender Registration Network" ETA: OH, and I forgot: "Project ORN DONATION $100 Quantity:" I saw that, too, but I don't think that has anything to do with his claimed psychic abilities. He never mentions this on that forum that I have noticed. It may be time comsuming to find each thread where he mentions his visions, etc, other than the vague one I posted. He never does explain that, not is it explained anywhere else. Thanks.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

17th April 2006, 03:49 AM	#646
John Jackson Muse Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 675	Originally Posted by KellyJ I'm getting a few blog hits from this forum. Does anyone know anything about them? Thanks. http://badpsychic.proboards53.com/index.cgi Yes, Kelly. It's another UK skeptically orientated site/forum. The project is going to be relaunched shortly with a new name and new look which is why it's currently only readable by members. It should be open in the not too distant future. John
John Jackson Muse Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 675	__________________

16th April 2006, 11:42 PM	#645
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,163	Something strange. Click on 'main page' (top right hand corner) and it goes to http://www.randi.org/ . No joke.

17th April 2006, 04:56 AM	#647
chillzero Domestic Godless Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Top of the world, ma! Posts: 15,226	Originally Posted by Katachresis It looks like a fundraising scam from what I see (from his website): My concentration is changing to fundraising at this point, but I have no experience in raising money for an operation of this caliber and would love to hear from anyone willing to help...(email address here) Project ORN where the predators, become the hunted... ORN - Offender Registration Network" ETA: OH, and I forgot: "Project ORN DONATION $100 Quantity:" Project ORN - Umm... Donation showing on your credit card from "P.O.R.N."??

17th April 2006, 09:01 AM	#648
Katachresis Learning to Fly Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lost in a Haze Posts: 2,525	I tried to get in to the site today, but I got this in my email this morning: Dear K*****, Unfortunately your registration at Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community did not meet our membership requirements. Therefore your registration was deleted. Sorry, Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community team I didn't even have time to post anything.
	__________________ "'Where is evil? In the rat whose nature it is to steal the grain. Or in the cat, whose nature it is to kill the rat?' - Master Po 'The rat steals. Yet, for him, the cat is evil.' - Caine 'And to the cat, the rat.' - Master Po 'Yet, Master, surely one of them is evil.' - Caine 'The rat does not steal, the cat does not murder. Rain falls, the stream flows, a hill remains. Each acts according to its nature.' - Po

17th April 2006, 09:04 AM	#649
meg psychic reader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kansas USA Posts: 1,398	Yup. That's the same message I got, Katachresis. Well, at least now I won't take it so personally. Meg
	__________________ "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he next comes to drinking and sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas DeQuincey

17th April 2006, 10:13 AM	#650
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	Originally Posted by John Jackson Yes, Kelly. It's another UK skeptically orientated site/forum. The project is going to be relaunched shortly with a new name and new look which is why it's currently only readable by members. It should be open in the not too distant future. John THanks, John. I just wanted to check that it was an ok site as they were linking to me. Originally Posted by rjh01 Something strange. Click on 'main page' (top right hand corner) and it goes to http://www.randi.org/ . No joke. When you click on what main page, please?
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

17th April 2006, 10:15 AM	#651
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	Originally Posted by meg Yup. That's the same message I got, Katachresis. Well, at least now I won't take it so personally. Meg Did you both use web based email addy's. That's probably why. I agree that Project ORN, shortened to PORN is odd. Why someone would choose a name that could be abbreviated as such is beyond me.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

17th April 2006, 10:34 AM	#652
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	I remember during the Jacob Wetterling case, here in MN, that one of the local stations asked a psychic to do a reading. She predicted he would be near water. We're "the Land of 10,000 Lakes," that ain't to big a prediction. I think it was WCCO, but I'm sure the Wetterling Foundation can give you more info. I haven't paid much attention to the case since then, but I think he was never found.
	__________________ I've been involved in a lot of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.--Creed, "The Office" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own.--Rod Serling

17th April 2006, 10:40 AM	#653
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	Originally Posted by CptColumbo I remember during the Jacob Wetterling case, here in MN, that one of the local stations asked a psychic to do a reading. She predicted he would be near water. We're "the Land of 10,000 Lakes," that ain't to big a prediction. I think it was WCCO, but I'm sure the Wetterling Foundation can give you more info. I haven't paid much attention to the case since then, but I think he was never found. He was never found. Last year, there was a young man who was thought to be Jacob. They wanted him to do a DNA test, but he never would. I believe in the end they do not think was him, but I am not sure. I know Patty through a volunteer org called TEAM Hope. I should ask her. Thanks.
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17th April 2006, 02:42 PM	#654
meg psychic reader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kansas USA Posts: 1,398	Hi Kelly, No, I used a real email address. Went through the registration, they verified my email, and clicked the link, etc. I was just waiting for the final approval by an administration type for my registration to be complete when I received an email like Katachresis. I did not, however, fill out anything in the "who referred you" line. Perhaps they only take people who are friends of present members or something? Meg
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17th April 2006, 03:36 PM	#655
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,526	Kelly, I'm not sure what to say about today's blog entry (by RebKah Howard). It's almost pro-psychic, just saying that some psychics aren't reputable, and that some are "gifted but vague." On the whole, I think the article would leave someone with the impression that psychic detectives are still helpful, they just didn't help in this one case.
	__________________ Who is "Kaz?" Read about her at www.StopKaz.com. Curious about Sylvia Browne? Read about her at www.StopSylvia.com. Ever wonder "What's the Harm?" with psychics, alternative medicine, etc?

17th April 2006, 05:48 PM	#656
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,163	Originally Posted by KellyJ When you click on what main page, please? I am talking about the 'bad psychics' website. It has 'welcome to badpsychics' in the top middle of the page. On the left of that are the words 'main page'. Click on that and it goes to the JREF page. I also found where the reference to your site is.

17th April 2006, 07:10 PM	#657
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Kelly, I'm not sure what to say about today's blog entry (by RebKah Howard). It's almost pro-psychic, just saying that some psychics aren't reputable, and that some are "gifted but vague." On the whole, I think the article would leave someone with the impression that psychic detectives are still helpful, they just didn't help in this one case. I was never quite comfortable with her entry. I left it as is because I provided supporting links that are certainly not pro-Renier. Even as I posted it, I still didn't feel right about it. I went back and edited it. Rebkah will understand as I made it clear that I didn't want it to be encouraging. In the light of day, and under the microscope of others, it was too soft. I think it now still doesn't take away from her softer approach, but leaves out the encouraging statements. Thank you.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

17th April 2006, 07:15 PM	#658
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	Originally Posted by meg Hi Kelly, No, I used a real email address. Went through the registration, they verified my email, and clicked the link, etc. I was just waiting for the final approval by an administration type for my registration to be complete when I received an email like Katachresis. I did not, however, fill out anything in the "who referred you" line. Perhaps they only take people who are friends of present members or something? Meg I'm not sure. That doesn't seem fair to exclude someone because they were not referred. In the scheme of things, I suppose Rocky is no big hitter. He just annoys the heck out of me, and contributes to the level of woo over there. Personally, I'd rather do a proverbial smack on the noggin to that creep in Canada who says he can pinpoint a missing child anywhere in 2 seconds flat. Thanks for trying, both of you.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

17th April 2006, 08:15 PM	#659
Gr8wight red-shirted crewman Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,640	Originally Posted by KellyJ I'm not sure. That doesn't seem fair to exclude someone because they were not referred. In the scheme of things, I suppose Rocky is no big hitter. He just annoys the heck out of me, and contributes to the level of woo over there. Personally, I'd rather do a proverbial smack on the noggin to that creep in Canada who says he can pinpoint a missing child anywhere in 2 seconds flat. Thanks for trying, both of you. They may have checked the referral stats of their website to see where the originating link that led you to them came from. Maybe someone should try signing up without using the link from here to click through to them. Copy and paste the link into the address bar of a newly opened browser window and see what happens.
	__________________ Aurora Walking Vacation "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding."--Marshall McLuhan

17th April 2006, 08:31 PM	#660
Kiless Guest Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,103	Originally Posted by Gr8wight They may have checked the referral stats of their website to see where the originating link that led you to them came from. Maybe someone should try signing up without using the link from here to click through to them. Copy and paste the link into the address bar of a newly opened browser window and see what happens. Or perhaps use http://www.the-cloak.com/anonymous-surfing-home.html ?
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17th April 2006, 08:35 PM	#661
Kiless Guest Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,103	Ah, just occured, perhaps they're keeping an eye on this thread due to the referral stats?
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17th April 2006, 08:37 PM	#662
Kiless Guest Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,103	Would contacting Tricia Griffith and being up-front about the concerns regarding psychic predators be useful? I noted an email address on the top of the http://www.websleuths.com/ site. If you say that you're not there to troll or anything nasty, it may help.
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17th April 2006, 08:45 PM	#663
Kiless Guest Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,103	Originally Posted by John Jackson Yes, Kelly. It's another UK skeptically orientated site/forum. The project is going to be relaunched shortly with a new name and new look which is why it's currently only readable by members. It should be open in the not too distant future. John Might want to get the JREF forum to add them to the Links.
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17th April 2006, 08:56 PM	#664
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	I had never heard of a forum being able to tell where a prospective member clicked in from, but I believe it! I know Tricia personally, and she knows I am doing the series and supports it. However, my preference was to be anonymous in a sense when trying to do a little "woo prevention" over there. It might be claimed I am biased, hence the new members who try to win over believers with logic. Thanks for the info......I learned something new today.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

17th April 2006, 09:00 PM	#665
Kiless Guest Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,103	Originally Posted by KellyJ I know Tricia personally, and she knows I am doing the series and supports it. However, my preference was to be anonymous in a sense when trying to do a little "woo prevention" over there. It might be claimed I am biased, hence the new members who try to win over believers with logic. Thanks for the info......I learned something new today. Yeah, as you said, you know her personally. But it might help if people here contacted her, said that they were (and are!) genuinely interested in contributing to the forum (just as they are genuinely interested in contributing to helping with missing people in general) and will behave themselves instead of gung-ho 'debunking' attitudes. In fact, it'd be interesting to see what tactics are used and perhaps use that as the basis of essays and responses here. Sort of a devil's advocate thing. And if people are going to end up looking over here, it's best not to look like maroons who are just going to charge in and create flamewars. And hello to anyone from that forum who are wondering where people are coming from!
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17th April 2006, 10:23 PM	#666
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	Originally Posted by Kiless Yeah, as you said, you know her personally. But it might help if people here contacted her, said that they were (and are!) genuinely interested in contributing to the forum (just as they are genuinely interested in contributing to helping with missing people in general) and will behave themselves instead of gung-ho 'debunking' attitudes. In fact, it'd be interesting to see what tactics are used and perhaps use that as the basis of essays and responses here. Sort of a devil's advocate thing. And if people are going to end up looking over here, it's best not to look like maroons who are just going to charge in and create flamewars. And hello to anyone from that forum who are wondering where people are coming from! No, we certainly wouldn't want to look like angry cynics. The "woo" people took over my psychic thread over there with Rocky remaining unchallenged. I wish I had the time to take on those challenges personally, but I don't. This is an aside to my not wanting to alienate the general population, because they are a very helpful group when it comes to missing person's cases. At this point, it's up to the volunteers if they wish to pursue it. I hope the WS admins will have an open mind to this. It is highly unlikely that Tricia approves the memberships herself. Hi Websleuths admins!
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

18th April 2006, 08:25 AM	#667
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,526	Originally Posted by KellyJ I think it now still doesn't take away from her softer approach, but leaves out the encouraging statements. Better. Thanks.
	__________________ Who is "Kaz?" Read about her at www.StopKaz.com. Curious about Sylvia Browne? Read about her at www.StopSylvia.com. Ever wonder "What's the Harm?" with psychics, alternative medicine, etc?

18th April 2006, 01:56 PM	#668
Gr8wight red-shirted crewman Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,640	Originally Posted by KellyJ I had never heard of a forum being able to tell where a prospective member clicked in from, but I believe it! I know Tricia personally, and she knows I am doing the series and supports it. However, my preference was to be anonymous in a sense when trying to do a little "woo prevention" over there. It might be claimed I am biased, hence the new members who try to win over believers with logic. Thanks for the info......I learned something new today. What do you mean? You told me you could see when someone came to your blog from mine. No different.
	__________________ Aurora Walking Vacation "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding."--Marshall McLuhan

18th April 2006, 03:00 PM	#669
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by KellyJ No, we certainly wouldn't want to look like angry cynics. I'm an angry cynic when it comes to psychic predators. They better not sign me up for their forum.
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18th April 2006, 03:09 PM	#670
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	A forum would not work quite the same way as the blog. I assume they would have a more complex hits tracker. On the blog, I can only see history going back so many pages. I can't see, for example, visitor info from 3 days ago. The registration process on a forum isn't on par with leaving a blog comment. I have no idea where the anonymous commenters come from because my hits counter is fairly basic and doesn't take a leap from the blog page to the comments page, which is a separate page anyway with no hits counter. I don't know alot about forums and the way the hits might track a person as they visit the site and then register, but I suppose had I thought about it long enough and hard enough, it might have occurred to me that they would know where the person entered their site.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.

18th April 2006, 03:12 PM	#671
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by KellyJ A forum would not work quite the same way as the blog. I assume they would have a more complex hits tracker. On the blog, I can only see history going back so many pages. I can't see, for example, visitor info from 3 days ago. The registration process on a forum isn't on par with leaving a blog comment. I have no idea where the anonymous commenters come from because my hits counter is fairly basic and doesn't take a leap from the blog page to the comments page, which is a separate page anyway with no hits counter. I don't know alot about forums and the way the hits might track a person as they visit the site and then register, but I suppose had I thought about it long enough and hard enough, it might have occurred to me that they would know where the person entered their site. Years ago on here, someone linked to a web page of a guy who claimed he could make clouds disappear with his mind. Neal Slade. Well, Neal was able to detect that a link to his page was here and he dropped in. Much hilarity ensued.
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18th April 2006, 03:14 PM	#672
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	And just out of habit, I always go from one web site to another via Google precisely for this reason. I made Google my home page and hit the Home button every time I leap in or out of a web site.
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18th April 2006, 05:17 PM	#673
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,526	The stats kept by my StopKaz site tells me all of the web pages people have linked to my site from, but it does not tell me who linked from where. But I can imagine such a thing being a feature of forum software.
	__________________ Who is "Kaz?" Read about her at www.StopKaz.com. Curious about Sylvia Browne? Read about her at www.StopSylvia.com. Ever wonder "What's the Harm?" with psychics, alternative medicine, etc?

18th April 2006, 07:15 PM	#674
Gr8wight red-shirted crewman Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,640	A good counter can record the IP address of a visitor, which pages on your website that visitor viewed, and the web page that visitor arrived from. All fairly standard counter technology. No matter.
	__________________ Aurora Walking Vacation "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding."--Marshall McLuhan

18th April 2006, 08:14 PM	#675
Kelly No Psychics, Please Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Not far enough away from psychic predators Posts: 6,291	In other news, I was contacted by a reporter for People Magazine and had a preliminary interview, which has been submitted to go up the food chain there. Now, before you get all excited, the topic of discussion is the emotional effects of having a missing loved one. There is no guarantee at this point in the process of it ever making the magazine. It's in the beginning processes. However, you will be pleased to know that I took the opportunity to educate her on our issues here, and I strongly suggested that she consider it for a future story. (I gave her the link to the series.) I then remembered that I have a direct contact with a reporter from USA Today from the time we were in there last July. I sent him the link and basic info as well. When I get done with the series, I will send it to other media who take an interest in missing persons, such as Nancy Grace and Greta.
	__________________ It would be wonderful if psychics could find missing people, but they can't. www.stopsylvia.com before she can hurt anyone else.