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What are brainwaves?
Driving home from TAM this weekend I saw an anti-abortion billboard that said something like “heartbeat at 3 weeks, brainwaves at 6 weeks.” Without getting into a debate over the morality of abortion, I wonder if anyone knows exactly what brainwaves are and how important they may be to determining when life begins?
As I understand the brain, cells make electical connections with each other and the specific pathways electric pulses follow in the brain produce thoughts and behavior. If this is accruate, where do the waves come from? Should I wear a tin foil hat to keep my brain waves from escaping? |
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http://science.howstuffworks.com/brain1.htm
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The connections between brain cells are not purely electrical, they are electro-chemical. between neurons hte primary means of connection is synapses. One neuron releases chemical neurotransmitters into the synapse and they are picked up by receptors on the other side.
Within a neuron, especially down the long extensions they have to connect to numerous other neurons, a signal is sent as an "action potential". An electrical depolarization triggered by ion channels (possibly the result of summing signals from a number of synapses) triggers a "wave" down the axon as the voltage change opens ion channels, which let in ions. At the end of axon is probably a synapse where the neuron passes the signal chemically to another neuron. Brainwaves are measurable changes in the electromagnetic field in/around the brain, presumably a byproduct of all those ion channel happenings. They do not represent activity of individual neurons, but a composite overall frequency due to activity of all the neurons in the brain. Presence of measurable brain waves would be considered an indicator of neural activiity. There is nothing you could or should do to prevent your brain waves from 'escaping'. (Yes, I know you were just kidding) and there is no evidence that any but an extremely powerful external electromagnetic field would influence brain activity. |
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I always thought brainwaves (as measured) were differences in skin conductance around the head, presumably due to the electromagnetic activity (whatever that is) going on inside....can anyone confirm/deny?
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So to measure a brainwave, you would need to measure the electromagnetic field around someone’s head? That field would fluctuate as more electricity was present in one place or another in the brain due to the acitivity there?
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I'm not sure about this. A friend measured my brainwaves once, and I recall having electrodes attached to my scalp, so skin conductance might be the deal. If you were just measuring hte electromagnetic field you wouldn't need to make actual contact. But I can't swear to it.
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Re: What are brainwaves?
I hope this doesn't start a debate...
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Quoting Carl Sagan's article on the issue (he was pro-choice in case there is any bias): "By the third week, around the time of the first missed menstrual period, the forming embryo is about 2 millimeters long and is developing various body parts. Only at this stage does it begin to be dependent on a rudimentary placenta. It looks a little like a segmented worm. " "By the sixth week, the embryo is 13 millimeteres (about ˝ inch) long. The eyes are still on the side of the head, as in most animals, and the reptilian face has connected slits where the mouth and nose eventually will be. " "Thinking occurs, of course, in the brain--principally in the top layers of the convoluted "gray matter" called the cerebral cortex. The roughly 100 billion neurons in the brain constitute the material basis of thought. The neurons are connected to each other, and their linkups play a major role in what we experience as thinking. But large-scale linking up of neurons doesn't begin until the 24th to 27th week of pregnancy--the sixth month. By placing harmless electrodes on a subject's head, scientists can measure the electrical activity produced by the network of neurons inside the skull. Different kinds of mental activity show different kinds of brain waves. But brain waves with regular patterns typical of adult human brains do not appear in the fetus until about the 30th week of pregnancy--near the beginning of the third trimester. Fetuses younger than this--however alive and active they may be--lack the necessary brain architecture. They cannot yet think. " The article is here: http://www.2think.org/science_abortion.shtml I couldn't find a secondary source for this information so if it somebody can correct this if he is wrong then it would be appreciated. |
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I’m not absolutely sure but I do believe it said weeks. I saw the billboard twice, once on the way to Ft. Lauderdale and once on the way back and both times it struck me as odd.
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Given that these people have a political agenda, I wouldn't rely on them for scientific facts.
There is a very interesting article in the February issue of Discover magazine on The scientist who hated abortion. An anti-abortion endocrinologist carried out a study to check for correlation between abortions and breast cancer. He didn't even ahve the qualifications for this, so he and his pals had to pull in a biostatistician. They found a very weak correlation. That was enough for him, he went straight away to lobbying congress and putting up posters. Several subsequent studies have refuted his finding, and one even showed clearly what was wrong with his study (women will lie about whether they have had abortions), but he refuses to back down, and has taken to attacking the other studies. |
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Re: What are brainwaves?
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http://www.bio.unc.edu/courses/2001f...-001/nerve.htm
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So, it's just an anti-abortion factoid, and is not supported by medical evidence. |
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Thanks for the help on this one, guys!
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Actually, brain waves do leak.
Usually via the mouth.
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References 1. Rozental et al. 2000 & Fukuda and Koska 2000 2. Zigmond et al. 1999; Kandel et al. 2000 3. Chen et al. 2000 Have you ever heard of "pure" electrical communication? What about gap junctions? Just curious. |
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