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Tony · 15th May 2003, 01:59 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/bu...partner=GOOGLE

This is just one of many stories I’m sure you guys have read. Jason Blair, a reporter @ the times, was caught lying about and fabricating details to put in his articles.

First it was CNN with its distorted reporting about Saddam Hussein, now it’s the New York Times. Someone help me out here, I thought Fox News was the evil news agency that distorted and twisted facts.

UnrepentantSinner · 15th May 2003, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tony
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/bu...partner=GOOGLE

This is just one of many stories I’m sure you guys have read. Jason Blair, a reporter @ the times, was caught lying about and fabricating details to put in his articles.

First it was CNN with its distorted reporting about Saddam Hussein, now it’s the New York Times. Someone help me out here, I thought Fox News was the evil news agency that distorted and twisted facts.

- edited sarcasm out

Actually this is important news. The reason why it's all over the media is because unlike Fox and the Washinton Times, CNN and the New York Times actually had some journalistic integrity to become tarnished in the first place.

corplinx · 15th May 2003, 02:06 AM

Let's be honest, "the times" wasn't caught in fraud. That reporter was. The only criticism of the Times that seems to have merit is that they turned a blind eye to an unfit employee. However, they did not turn a blind eye to fraud and when they saw it they took action.

Tony · 16th May 2003, 05:52 AM

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Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner

- edited sarcasm out

Actually this is important news. The reason why it's all over the media is because unlike Fox and the Washinton Times, CNN and the New York Times actually had some journalistic integrity to become tarnished in the first place.

What evidence do you have that Fox and the Washington Times lacked jouralistic integrity?

Iconoclast · 16th May 2003, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
The reason why it's all over the media is because unlike Fox and the Washinton Times, CNN and the New York Times actually had some journalistic integrity to become tarnished in the first place.

Excellent point. And I give the Times full credit for publishing a 10 (internet) page story on the subject, the newspaper in my home town runs and hides whenever one of their journalists invents her own facts or plagiarises the work of others.

Baker · 16th May 2003, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner

- edited sarcasm out

Actually this is important news. The reason why it's all over the media is because unlike Fox and the Washinton Times, CNN and the New York Times actually had some journalistic integrity to become tarnished in the first place.

Unlike Fox and the Washington Times, CNN?
Could you explain this?
Not only is the NY Times one of the most liberal bias papers in the US they for years ignored increasingly emphatic warnings about the veracity of Jayson Blair.

Mr Manifesto · 16th May 2003, 07:04 PM

Let us look at the integrity of Fox.

From Australia's Media Watch page:

‘One of the questions that people keep asking me about you and the guys you’re out there with – I don’t know how you want to answer this question but – using the facilities when there aren’t any facilities: how are you going to the bathroom buddy?’
- Fox News, 29 March 2003

‘Should they have used more? Should they, you know, use the MOAB, the Mother of All Bombs and a few Daisy Cutters. You know, lets not just stop at a couple of Cruise Missiles.’
‘Only 40, huh?’
‘I want to see them use that MOAB. We all want to see them use that MOAB.’
- Fox News, 25 March 2003

With the editorial,
Free of charge to the US taxpayer, Fox delivers threats to the enemies of the Bush administration.

You could ask Rupert Murdoch yourself why he has Fox news. Rupert has always said -proud of it- that people don't want news they want entertainment. He started the new wave of tabloid journalism in the 70s and 80s in Australia and Britain with his page three girls and sensationalist journalism. He has brought back to life the ghost of Yellow Kid Weil.

Baker · 16th May 2003, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
Let us look at the integrity of Fox.

From Australia's Media Watch page:

‘One of the questions that people keep asking me about you and the guys you’re out there with – I don’t know how you want to answer this question but – using the facilities when there aren’t any facilities: how are you going to the bathroom buddy?’
- Fox News, 29 March 2003

‘Should they have used more? Should they, you know, use the MOAB, the Mother of All Bombs and a few Daisy Cutters. You know, lets not just stop at a couple of Cruise Missiles.’
‘Only 40, huh?’
‘I want to see them use that MOAB. We all want to see them use that MOAB.’
- Fox News, 25 March 2003

With the editorial,
Free of charge to the US taxpayer, Fox delivers threats to the enemies of the Bush administration.

You could ask Rupert Murdoch yourself why he has Fox news. Rupert has always said -proud of it- that people don't want news they want entertainment. He started the new wave of tabloid journalism in the 70s and 80s in Australia and Britain with his page three girls and sensationalist journalism. He has brought back to life the ghost of Yellow Kid Weil.

These are just questions being asked to their embedded reporters I don’t see how this questions their integrity?

15th May 2003, 01:59 AM	#1
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,819	New York Times Caught in Fraud http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/bu...partner=GOOGLE This is just one of many stories I’m sure you guys have read. Jason Blair, a reporter @ the times, was caught lying about and fabricating details to put in his articles. First it was CNN with its distorted reporting about Saddam Hussein, now it’s the New York Times. Someone help me out here, I thought Fox News was the evil news agency that distorted and twisted facts.
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15th May 2003, 02:02 AM	#2
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,447	Re: New York Times Caught in Fraud Quote: Originally posted by Tony http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/bu...partner=GOOGLE This is just one of many stories I’m sure you guys have read. Jason Blair, a reporter @ the times, was caught lying about and fabricating details to put in his articles. First it was CNN with its distorted reporting about Saddam Hussein, now it’s the New York Times. Someone help me out here, I thought Fox News was the evil news agency that distorted and twisted facts. - edited sarcasm out Actually this is important news. The reason why it's all over the media is because unlike Fox and the Washinton Times, CNN and the New York Times actually had some journalistic integrity to become tarnished in the first place.
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15th May 2003, 02:06 AM	#3
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Let's be honest, "the times" wasn't caught in fraud. That reporter was. The only criticism of the Times that seems to have merit is that they turned a blind eye to an unfit employee. However, they did not turn a blind eye to fraud and when they saw it they took action.
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16th May 2003, 05:52 AM	#4
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,819	Re: Re: New York Times Caught in Fraud Quote: Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner - edited sarcasm out Actually this is important news. The reason why it's all over the media is because unlike Fox and the Washinton Times, CNN and the New York Times actually had some journalistic integrity to become tarnished in the first place. What evidence do you have that Fox and the Washington Times lacked jouralistic integrity?
	__________________ It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company. - Mark Twain

16th May 2003, 10:16 AM	#5
Iconoclast Breaker of Icons Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,797	Re: Re: New York Times Caught in Fraud Quote: Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner The reason why it's all over the media is because unlike Fox and the Washinton Times, CNN and the New York Times actually had some journalistic integrity to become tarnished in the first place. Excellent point. And I give the Times full credit for publishing a 10 (internet) page story on the subject, the newspaper in my home town runs and hides whenever one of their journalists invents her own facts or plagiarises the work of others.
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16th May 2003, 03:28 PM	#6
Baker Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,121	Re: Re: New York Times Caught in Fraud Quote: Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner - edited sarcasm out Actually this is important news. The reason why it's all over the media is because unlike Fox and the Washinton Times, CNN and the New York Times actually had some journalistic integrity to become tarnished in the first place. Unlike Fox and the Washington Times, CNN? Could you explain this? Not only is the NY Times one of the most liberal bias papers in the US they for years ignored increasingly emphatic warnings about the veracity of Jayson Blair.
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16th May 2003, 07:04 PM	#7
Mr Manifesto Hierophant Walrus of the Secret Clique Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 4,824	Let us look at the integrity of Fox. From Australia's Media Watch page: ‘One of the questions that people keep asking me about you and the guys you’re out there with – I don’t know how you want to answer this question but – using the facilities when there aren’t any facilities: how are you going to the bathroom buddy?’ - Fox News, 29 March 2003 ‘Should they have used more? Should they, you know, use the MOAB, the Mother of All Bombs and a few Daisy Cutters. You know, lets not just stop at a couple of Cruise Missiles.’ ‘Only 40, huh?’ ‘I want to see them use that MOAB. We all want to see them use that MOAB.’ - Fox News, 25 March 2003 With the editorial, Free of charge to the US taxpayer, Fox delivers threats to the enemies of the Bush administration. You could ask Rupert Murdoch yourself why he has Fox news. Rupert has always said -proud of it- that people don't want news they want entertainment. He started the new wave of tabloid journalism in the 70s and 80s in Australia and Britain with his page three girls and sensationalist journalism. He has brought back to life the ghost of Yellow Kid Weil.

16th May 2003, 09:06 PM	#8
Baker Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,121	Quote: Originally posted by Mr Manifesto Let us look at the integrity of Fox. From Australia's Media Watch page: ‘One of the questions that people keep asking me about you and the guys you’re out there with – I don’t know how you want to answer this question but – using the facilities when there aren’t any facilities: how are you going to the bathroom buddy?’ - Fox News, 29 March 2003 ‘Should they have used more? Should they, you know, use the MOAB, the Mother of All Bombs and a few Daisy Cutters. You know, lets not just stop at a couple of Cruise Missiles.’ ‘Only 40, huh?’ ‘I want to see them use that MOAB. We all want to see them use that MOAB.’ - Fox News, 25 March 2003 With the editorial, Free of charge to the US taxpayer, Fox delivers threats to the enemies of the Bush administration. You could ask Rupert Murdoch yourself why he has Fox news. Rupert has always said -proud of it- that people don't want news they want entertainment. He started the new wave of tabloid journalism in the 70s and 80s in Australia and Britain with his page three girls and sensationalist journalism. He has brought back to life the ghost of Yellow Kid Weil. These are just questions being asked to their embedded reporters I don’t see how this questions their integrity?
Baker Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,121