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Luke T. · 23rd May 2006, 06:48 AM

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A Los Angeles-based labor contractor must pay nearly $300,000 in fines and back wages for allegedly deceiving and underpaying 88 Thai workers it sent to Hawaii to harvest onions and pineapples, the Labor Department said Monday.

Federal investigators also found that Global Horizons Inc. illegally deducted wages for housing and food, and may not have paid for the workers' transportation.

The indignant reaction:

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"We've got the department really aggressively working against us instead of spending their time on the thousands of people working with no documents and really getting abused," Orian said.

Okay. Maybe this was just a one time misunderstanding...

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Global Horizons has had problems with other regulators, including those in California and Washington state. In December, Washington officials revoked the company's contractor's license after years of complaints and fines.

California officials also have received dozens of complaints from Global Horizons workers, even though only a few hundred are now working in the state.

LA Times

And now we move on to Congressman William Jefferson:

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The FBI revealed Sunday that Jefferson was videotaped accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from an FBI informant, who agreed to have her conversations with the congressman taped. Agents later found the cash hidden in a freezer, according to court documents.

They found $90,000 stashed in a freezer. Hey, that doesn't mean anything. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't.

The Feds also searched Jefferson's congressional office.

Okay. They have the guy on tape accepting a $100,000 bribe. They found $90,000 in his freezer in his home.

So where can Jefferson get all indignant? Let's see...

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He called the weekend search of his Capitol Hill office "an outrageous intrusion into separation of powers between the executive branch and the congressional branch, and no one has seen this in all the time of the life of the Congress."

Riiiiight. Now let's take it all the way, Bill!

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"I expect to run for re-election"

ABC News

Beerina · 23rd May 2006, 06:57 AM

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and no one has seen this in all the time of the life of the Congress

Perhaps that is part of the problem.

Luke T. · 23rd May 2006, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Perhaps that is part of the problem.

Manny · 23rd May 2006, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't.

What, you've never been asked to pay for something in cold, hard cash?

BPSCG · 23rd May 2006, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

And now we move on to Congressman William Jefferson:

Is this the same guy who got his own private National Guard ride out to his flooded house in NOLA and had them wait outside while he went in and got a suitcase and the hard drive off his PC?

ETA: Hah! Yes, it is. Wotta scumbag.

Luke T. · 23rd May 2006, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Is this the same guy who got his own private National Guard ride out to his flooded house in NOLA and had them wait outside while he went in and got a suitcase and the hard drive off his PC?

ETA: Hah! Yes, it is. Wotta scumbag.

Gotta rescue the cash, man. And my porn.

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The water reached to the third step of Jefferson's house, a military source familiar with the incident told ABC News, and the vehicle pulled up onto Jefferson's front lawn so he wouldn't have to walk in the water. Jefferson went into the house alone, the source says, while the soldiers waited on the porch for about an hour.

headscratcher4 · 23rd May 2006, 07:29 AM

Hey....he was just trying to freeze his assets befor the federal prosecutors did...seems reasonable, AND HELPFUL, to me.

NoZed Avenger · 23rd May 2006, 08:10 AM

That's what he gets for canceling Household Hints from Heloise and substituting those of Conyers and Delay.

BPSCG · 23rd May 2006, 08:32 AM

What on earth made the FBI agents searching his house decide, "Hey, let's look in the freezer"?

DaChew · 23rd May 2006, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

They found $90,000 stashed in a freezer. Hey, that doesn't mean anything. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't.

Oh come on. 90 grand? I mean, who doesn't have a little sumpn-sumpn stashed around the crib? Look, I got that right here in my... oh wait... Those are french fries.

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Is this the same guy who got his own private National Guard ride out to his flooded house in NOLA and had them wait outside while he went in and got a suitcase and the hard drive off his PC?

ETA: Hah! Yes, it is. Wotta scumbag.

He's that guy? I totally forgot about him.

Tricky · 23rd May 2006, 08:50 AM

Yep. This is really going to deflate the Democrats "culture of corruption" strategy. Of course, politicians of all parties have been guilty of corruption before now. It so happens that more of them have been Republicans than Democrats lately, probably because there are more of them.

And the evidence is pretty much airtight, what with the video sting. So I expect most Democrats to denounce Jefferson quite publicly. They have to present this as an anomaly, or perhaps as a Democrat who was lured to the dark side by the culture of corruption.

But none of this gives the police any right to make illegal searches, nor would they be wise to do so. That's the easiest way to get the case thrown out on a technicality.

BPSCG · 23rd May 2006, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

And the evidence is pretty much airtight, what with the video sting. So I expect most Democrats to denounce Jefferson quite publicly. They have to present this as an anomaly, or perhaps as a Democrat who was lured to the dark side by the culture of corruption.

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Manny · 23rd May 2006, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Tricky

They have to present this as an anomaly, or perhaps as a Democrat who was lured to the dark side by the culture of corruption.

Nah, I think they'll get off easier than that. If he's the limit, then all they have to say is "Yeah, New Orleans politics. Sigh."

CFLarsen · 23rd May 2006, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

They found $90,000 stashed in a freezer. Hey, that doesn't mean anything. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't.

The money was hot?

jj · 23rd May 2006, 10:26 AM

Both of these (the company and the guy) remind me of the present administration's reaction to being caught with their hands in the phone system, with no-bid contracts, you-name-it.

Ian Osborne · 23rd May 2006, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Manny

What, you've never been asked to pay for something in cold, hard cash?

strathmeyer · 23rd May 2006, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

What on earth made the FBI agents searching his house decide, "Hey, let's look in the freezer"?

Are you claiming that they didn't just find the money in his freezer, but that they were actually looking for it?

BPSCG · 23rd May 2006, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by strathmeyer

Are you claiming that they didn't just find the money in his freezer, but that they were actually looking for it?

Well, if they weren't looking for it, what were they doing in the freezer? Finishing off the ~~Haagen-Daas~~ ~~Hagen-Dass~~ ~~Hoggin-Doss~~ Ben and Jerry's French vanilla ice cream?

The Central Scrutinizer · 23rd May 2006, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

And now we move on to Congressman William Jefferson:

They found $90,000 stashed in a freezer. Hey, that doesn't mean anything. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't.

The Feds also searched Jefferson's congressional office.

Okay. They have the guy on tape accepting a $100,000 bribe. They found $90,000 in his freezer in his home.

How long until he plays the race card?

Rob Lister · 23rd May 2006, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Well, if they weren't looking for it, what were they doing in the freezer? Finishing off the ~~Haagen-Daas~~ ~~Hagen-Dass~~ ~~Hoggin-Doss~~ Ben and Jerry's French vanilla ice cream?

Rumor has it they knew he likely kept it in a freezer of some sort. During the Katrina thing, he tied up some emergancy vehicles getting some of his personal effects from his almost flooded house. One of the personal items was a small freezer (according to rumor).

Just rumor.

I too am waiting for the race card. I will be very, very surprised and...impressed...if it doesn't get played.

Luke T. · 23rd May 2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

Rumor has it they knew he likely kept it in a freezer of some sort. During the Katrina thing, he tied up some emergancy vehicles getting some of his personal effects from his almost flooded house. One of the personal items was a small freezer (according to rumor).

Now, see, if youda read BPSCG's link...

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Finally, according to the source, Jefferson emerged with a laptop computer, three suitcases, and a box about the size of a small refrigerator, which the enlisted men loaded up into the truck.

Rob Lister · 23rd May 2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

Now, see, if youda read BPSCG's link...

Yes, but as a JREF poster, I'm above being held accountable for posting offhand rumors regardless of their accuracy.

You see, it's a delicate balance -- the separation of poster powers -- and at no time in this forum's history has anyone ever done this...therefore, doing it must be wrong...

IOW,

THROW THEM ALL OUT AND START aNEW.

EVERY SINGLE ONE, Dems and Reps alike.

What a racket.

Luke T. · 23rd May 2006, 01:41 PM

What I want to know is...what do you have to promise to do to earn a one hundred thousand dollar bribe?

10) Kill Kenny

9) Vote to legalize graft

8) Award NOLA rebuilding contract to Tony Soprano

Luke T. · 23rd May 2006, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

IOW,

THROW THEM ALL OUT AND START aNEW.

EVERY SINGLE ONE, Dems and Reps alike.

And make them go to work harvesting onions for Global Horizons, Inc.

Rob Lister · 23rd May 2006, 01:49 PM

10 - done (several times)
9 - done (if implied position counts as a vote)
8 - done (for sure, the tricky part is proving it)

7) Ask for (and receive) 10,000, but be willing to swear you got the whole thing.

bjb · 23rd May 2006, 01:54 PM

When the money was in the freezer, it was safe from terrorists. Now that the liberal media has publicised this vital information, our nation's politicians are at risk of having their money-filled freezers stolen by terrorists. Now that everyone knows where our leaders are keeping their bribe money, it is an easy target for Al-Quaeda. The real story is the mainstream media has once again, given aid and comfort to our enemies in this time of war.

jj · 23rd May 2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Luke T.

And make them go to work harvesting onions for Global Horizons, Inc.

Ramps. Make them harvest ramps. With their bare hands.

corplinx · 23rd May 2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Yep. This is really going to deflate the Democrats "culture of corruption" strategy.

Luckily most of their corruption stories haven't been national news and more at the state level like here in Tennessee.

The public being what it is (you know, the public that thought Saddam was behind 911) should never be misoverestimated.

Rob Lister · 23rd May 2006, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

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Al Sharpton, Fox news, just now, started the ball rolling.

gist is...

If they had so much evidence, and video, why did they raid his office...yada.

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Grammatron · 23rd May 2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

Al Sharpton, Fox news, just now, started the ball rolling.

gist is...

If they had so much evidence, and video, why did they raid his office...yada.

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Yeah and Sharpton knows all about videos...

Luke T. · 23rd May 2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

Al Sharpton, Fox news, just now, started the ball rolling.

gist is...

If they had so much evidence, and video, why did they raid his office...yada.

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What Al have to say about Global Horizons?

TragicMonkey · 23rd May 2006, 03:03 PM

The freezer is not an original hiding place. It's actually quite commonly used to hide valuables. It keeps them out of sight and contained, and people who think of hiding their stuff there are typically struck by their own ingenuity and hide their stuff inside, pleased with their original thinking. As a result, it's one of the first places searched.

The other top "bright idea" hiding places are inside a plastic bag in the toilet tank, unscrewing an air vent grill and putting something just inside there, and hanging from a nail just up the chimney a bit.

Okay, I read too many of the wrong kind of book as a kid. But at least when I hide something, it stays hidden.

Tricky · 23rd May 2006, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The freezer is not an original hiding place.

Indeed. My grandmother, in the early stages of Alzheimers, was sure there were people breaking into her house every night. She used to hide the silverware in the freezer.

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

It's actually quite commonly used to hide valuables.

...and evidence in general. Ask Jeffrey Dahmer. (Though that might have been because he was one of those people who compulsively save leftovers.)

Luke T. · 23rd May 2006, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The freezer is not an original hiding place. It's actually quite commonly used to hide valuables. It keeps them out of sight and contained, and people who think of hiding their stuff there are typically struck by their own ingenuity and hide their stuff inside, pleased with their original thinking. As a result, it's one of the first places searched.

The other top "bright idea" hiding places are inside a plastic bag in the toilet tank, unscrewing an air vent grill and putting something just inside there, and hanging from a nail just up the chimney a bit.

Okay, I read too many of the wrong kind of book as a kid. But at least when I hide something, it stays hidden.

He shoulda converted the cash to diamonds and done the old up the bunghole hiding trick. Who's gonna look up a Congreman's ass, especially since no one has seen such a thing in all the time of the life of the Congress except their own heads?

BPSCG · 23rd May 2006, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

Al Sharpton, Fox news, just now, started the ball rolling.

Where's my $1,000,000, Mr. Randi?

Tricky · 23rd May 2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Where's my $1,000,000, Mr. Randi?

Doesn't count. Jefferson has to play the race card. Predicting Al Sharpton is going to play the race card is like predicting Lynyrd Skynyrd will play "Free Bird" at their next concert.

BPSCG · 23rd May 2006, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

Doesn't count. Jefferson has to play the race card. Predicting Al Sharpton is going to play the race card is like predicting Lynyrd Skynyrd will play "Free Bird" at their next concert.

Uh-uh. All I said was "Begin race card countdown..." I didn't say who had to play it. If Randi doesn't pay me, I'll... I'll... uhmmm... I'll type another post.

NoZed Avenger · 23rd May 2006, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Uh-uh. All I said was "Begin race card countdown..." I didn't say who had to play it. If Randi doesn't pay me, I'll... I'll... uhmmm... I'll type another post.

PAY. PAY!!

Tricky · 23rd May 2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Uh-uh. All I said was "Begin race card countdown..." I didn't say who had to play it. If Randi doesn't pay me, I'll... I'll... uhmmm... I'll type another post.

Nuh huh. You mentioned the race card before anyone else did, so you played it first. Doesn't matter that you played it from the opposing hand. That's why it only counts if Jefferson plays it. But by all means, type another post. I await with bated breath.

BobK · 23rd May 2006, 04:14 PM

For those interested enough to read it. Here's the FBI's Search Warrant Affidavit

I wouldn't doubt part of his defense being he was just collecting funds for the Katrina victims Bush & Co. neglected.

23rd May 2006, 06:48 AM	#1
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	When Caught, Act Indignant Quote: A Los Angeles-based labor contractor must pay nearly $300,000 in fines and back wages for allegedly deceiving and underpaying 88 Thai workers it sent to Hawaii to harvest onions and pineapples, the Labor Department said Monday. Federal investigators also found that Global Horizons Inc. illegally deducted wages for housing and food, and may not have paid for the workers' transportation. The indignant reaction: Quote: "We've got the department really aggressively working against us instead of spending their time on the thousands of people working with no documents and really getting abused," Orian said. Okay. Maybe this was just a one time misunderstanding... Quote: Global Horizons has had problems with other regulators, including those in California and Washington state. In December, Washington officials revoked the company's contractor's license after years of complaints and fines. California officials also have received dozens of complaints from Global Horizons workers, even though only a few hundred are now working in the state. LA Times And now we move on to Congressman William Jefferson: Quote: The FBI revealed Sunday that Jefferson was videotaped accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from an FBI informant, who agreed to have her conversations with the congressman taped. Agents later found the cash hidden in a freezer, according to court documents. They found $90,000 stashed in a freezer. Hey, that doesn't mean anything. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't. The Feds also searched Jefferson's congressional office. Okay. They have the guy on tape accepting a $100,000 bribe. They found $90,000 in his freezer in his home. So where can Jefferson get all indignant? Let's see... Quote: He called the weekend search of his Capitol Hill office "an outrageous intrusion into separation of powers between the executive branch and the congressional branch, and no one has seen this in all the time of the life of the Congress." Riiiiight. Now let's take it all the way, Bill! Quote: "I expect to run for re-election" ABC News
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23rd May 2006, 06:57 AM	#2
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23rd May 2006, 06:58 AM	#3
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by Beerina Perhaps that is part of the problem.
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23rd May 2006, 07:10 AM	#4
Manny Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,295	Originally Posted by Luke T. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't. What, you've never been asked to pay for something in cold, hard cash?
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23rd May 2006, 07:21 AM	#5
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Luke T. And now we move on to Congressman William Jefferson: Is this the same guy who got his own private National Guard ride out to his flooded house in NOLA and had them wait outside while he went in and got a suitcase and the hard drive off his PC? ETA: Hah! Yes, it is. Wotta scumbag.
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23rd May 2006, 07:27 AM	#6
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by BPSCG Is this the same guy who got his own private National Guard ride out to his flooded house in NOLA and had them wait outside while he went in and got a suitcase and the hard drive off his PC? ETA: Hah! Yes, it is. Wotta scumbag. Gotta rescue the cash, man. And my porn. Quote: The water reached to the third step of Jefferson's house, a military source familiar with the incident told ABC News, and the vehicle pulled up onto Jefferson's front lawn so he wouldn't have to walk in the water. Jefferson went into the house alone, the source says, while the soldiers waited on the porch for about an hour.
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23rd May 2006, 07:29 AM	#7
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	Hey....he was just trying to freeze his assets befor the federal prosecutors did...seems reasonable, AND HELPFUL, to me.
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BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	What on earth made the FBI agents searching his house decide, "Hey, let's look in the freezer"?
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DaChew Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,043	Originally Posted by Luke T. They found $90,000 stashed in a freezer. Hey, that doesn't mean anything. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't. Oh come on. 90 grand? I mean, who doesn't have a little sumpn-sumpn stashed around the crib? Look, I got that right here in my... oh wait... Those are french fries. Originally Posted by BPSCG Is this the same guy who got his own private National Guard ride out to his flooded house in NOLA and had them wait outside while he went in and got a suitcase and the hard drive off his PC? ETA: Hah! Yes, it is. Wotta scumbag. He's that guy? I totally forgot about him.
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23rd May 2006, 08:50 AM	#11
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,405	Yep. This is really going to deflate the Democrats "culture of corruption" strategy. Of course, politicians of all parties have been guilty of corruption before now. It so happens that more of them have been Republicans than Democrats lately, probably because there are more of them. And the evidence is pretty much airtight, what with the video sting. So I expect most Democrats to denounce Jefferson quite publicly. They have to present this as an anomaly, or perhaps as a Democrat who was lured to the dark side by the culture of corruption. But none of this gives the police any right to make illegal searches, nor would they be wise to do so. That's the easiest way to get the case thrown out on a technicality.

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BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Tricky And the evidence is pretty much airtight, what with the video sting. So I expect most Democrats to denounce Jefferson quite publicly. They have to present this as an anomaly, or perhaps as a Democrat who was lured to the dark side by the culture of corruption. Begin race card countdown: 10 9 8 7 6 5 . . . . .
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Manny Illuminator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,295	Originally Posted by Tricky They have to present this as an anomaly, or perhaps as a Democrat who was lured to the dark side by the culture of corruption. Nah, I think they'll get off easier than that. If he's the limit, then all they have to say is "Yeah, New Orleans politics. Sigh."
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23rd May 2006, 10:09 AM	#14
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,804	Originally Posted by Luke T. They found $90,000 stashed in a freezer. Hey, that doesn't mean anything. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't. The money was hot?
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23rd May 2006, 10:26 AM	#15
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23rd May 2006, 10:39 AM	#16
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23rd May 2006, 10:44 AM	#17
strathmeyer seriously unable to be serious Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Posts: 2,382	Originally Posted by BPSCG What on earth made the FBI agents searching his house decide, "Hey, let's look in the freezer"? Are you claiming that they didn't just find the money in his freezer, but that they were actually looking for it?

23rd May 2006, 10:56 AM	#18
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by strathmeyer Are you claiming that they didn't just find the money in his freezer, but that they were actually looking for it? Well, if they weren't looking for it, what were they doing in the freezer? Finishing off the ~~Haagen-Daas~~ ~~Hagen-Dass~~ ~~Hoggin-Doss~~ Ben and Jerry's French vanilla ice cream?
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23rd May 2006, 11:02 AM	#19
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,580	Originally Posted by Luke T. And now we move on to Congressman William Jefferson: They found $90,000 stashed in a freezer. Hey, that doesn't mean anything. I can think of several legitimate reasons why I would put 90 grand in the freezer. Wait. No, I can't. The Feds also searched Jefferson's congressional office. Okay. They have the guy on tape accepting a $100,000 bribe. They found $90,000 in his freezer in his home. How long until he plays the race card?
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23rd May 2006, 11:05 AM	#20
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by BPSCG Well, if they weren't looking for it, what were they doing in the freezer? Finishing off the ~~Haagen-Daas~~ ~~Hagen-Dass~~ ~~Hoggin-Doss~~ Ben and Jerry's French vanilla ice cream? Rumor has it they knew he likely kept it in a freezer of some sort. During the Katrina thing, he tied up some emergancy vehicles getting some of his personal effects from his almost flooded house. One of the personal items was a small freezer (according to rumor). Just rumor. I too am waiting for the race card. I will be very, very surprised and...impressed...if it doesn't get played.

23rd May 2006, 01:28 PM	#21
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by Rob Lister Rumor has it they knew he likely kept it in a freezer of some sort. During the Katrina thing, he tied up some emergancy vehicles getting some of his personal effects from his almost flooded house. One of the personal items was a small freezer (according to rumor). Now, see, if youda read BPSCG's link... Quote: Finally, according to the source, Jefferson emerged with a laptop computer, three suitcases, and a box about the size of a small refrigerator, which the enlisted men loaded up into the truck.
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23rd May 2006, 01:37 PM	#22
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by Luke T. Now, see, if youda read BPSCG's link... Yes, but as a JREF poster, I'm above being held accountable for posting offhand rumors regardless of their accuracy. You see, it's a delicate balance -- the separation of poster powers -- and at no time in this forum's history has anyone ever done this...therefore, doing it must be wrong... IOW, THROW THEM ALL OUT AND START aNEW. EVERY SINGLE ONE, Dems and Reps alike. What a racket.

23rd May 2006, 01:41 PM	#23
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	What I want to know is...what do you have to promise to do to earn a one hundred thousand dollar bribe? 10) Kill Kenny 9) Vote to legalize graft 8) Award NOLA rebuilding contract to Tony Soprano
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23rd May 2006, 01:47 PM	#24
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by Rob Lister IOW, THROW THEM ALL OUT AND START aNEW. EVERY SINGLE ONE, Dems and Reps alike. And make them go to work harvesting onions for Global Horizons, Inc.
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23rd May 2006, 01:49 PM	#25
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	10 - done (several times) 9 - done (if implied position counts as a vote) 8 - done (for sure, the tricky part is proving it) 7) Ask for (and receive) 10,000, but be willing to swear you got the whole thing.

23rd May 2006, 01:54 PM	#26
bjb Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,079	When the money was in the freezer, it was safe from terrorists. Now that the liberal media has publicised this vital information, our nation's politicians are at risk of having their money-filled freezers stolen by terrorists. Now that everyone knows where our leaders are keeping their bribe money, it is an easy target for Al-Quaeda. The real story is the mainstream media has once again, given aid and comfort to our enemies in this time of war.
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23rd May 2006, 01:56 PM	#27
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,719	Originally Posted by Luke T. And make them go to work harvesting onions for Global Horizons, Inc. Ramps. Make them harvest ramps. With their bare hands.
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23rd May 2006, 02:05 PM	#28
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Originally Posted by Tricky Yep. This is really going to deflate the Democrats "culture of corruption" strategy. Luckily most of their corruption stories haven't been national news and more at the state level like here in Tennessee. The public being what it is (you know, the public that thought Saddam was behind 911) should never be misoverestimated.
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23rd May 2006, 02:42 PM	#29
Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by BPSCG Begin race card countdown: 10 9 8 7 6 5 . . . . . Al Sharpton, Fox news, just now, started the ball rolling. gist is... If they had so much evidence, and video, why did they raid his office...yada. 6 ... 5... ... 4

23rd May 2006, 02:44 PM	#30
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by Rob Lister Al Sharpton, Fox news, just now, started the ball rolling. gist is... If they had so much evidence, and video, why did they raid his office...yada. 6 ... 5... ... 4 Yeah and Sharpton knows all about videos...
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23rd May 2006, 02:51 PM	#31
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by Rob Lister Al Sharpton, Fox news, just now, started the ball rolling. gist is... If they had so much evidence, and video, why did they raid his office...yada. 6 ... 5... ... 4 What Al have to say about Global Horizons?
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23rd May 2006, 03:03 PM	#32
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,291	The freezer is not an original hiding place. It's actually quite commonly used to hide valuables. It keeps them out of sight and contained, and people who think of hiding their stuff there are typically struck by their own ingenuity and hide their stuff inside, pleased with their original thinking. As a result, it's one of the first places searched. The other top "bright idea" hiding places are inside a plastic bag in the toilet tank, unscrewing an air vent grill and putting something just inside there, and hanging from a nail just up the chimney a bit. Okay, I read too many of the wrong kind of book as a kid. But at least when I hide something, it stays hidden.
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23rd May 2006, 03:08 PM	#33
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,405	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey The freezer is not an original hiding place. Indeed. My grandmother, in the early stages of Alzheimers, was sure there were people breaking into her house every night. She used to hide the silverware in the freezer. Originally Posted by TragicMonkey It's actually quite commonly used to hide valuables. ...and evidence in general. Ask Jeffrey Dahmer. (Though that might have been because he was one of those people who compulsively save leftovers.)

23rd May 2006, 03:09 PM	#35
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Rob Lister Al Sharpton, Fox news, just now, started the ball rolling. Where's my $1,000,000, Mr. Randi?
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23rd May 2006, 03:12 PM	#36
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,405	Originally Posted by BPSCG Where's my $1,000,000, Mr. Randi? Doesn't count. Jefferson has to play the race card. Predicting Al Sharpton is going to play the race card is like predicting Lynyrd Skynyrd will play "Free Bird" at their next concert.
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