The finest philosophical quote awaits you inside.....

Pauliesonne · 14th June 2006, 09:37 PM

Behold the wisdom of one of the greatest fictional minds of all time;

...

"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

-Yoda

anymore from y'all?

Marquis de Carabas · 14th June 2006, 09:53 PM

Yoda says that like it's a bad thing.

ETA... and wouldn't a better thread title have been "Awaits you inside, the finest philosophical quote does"?

Pauliesonne · 14th June 2006, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas

Yoda says that like it's a bad thing.

ETA... and wouldn't a better thread title have been "Awaits you inside, the finest philosophical quote does"?

clipped round the ear, smart ***'s like you eventually get.......

joller · 14th June 2006, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Pauliesonne

Behold the wisdom of one of the greatest fictional minds of all time;

...

"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

-Yoda

anymore from y'all?

My favourite yoda quote is this:
"No, try not. Do, or do not. There is no try."

Scott Haley · 14th June 2006, 10:14 PM

I HATE that quote. Children learn to walk by trying and trying until they succeed. Everything we deliberately do is an attempt. The attempts often succeed. The simplest thing you try to do, there's some small chance you'll fail.

Piscivore · 14th June 2006, 10:17 PM

We eat, sh[rule 8]t, sleep, and get up;
This is our world.
All we have to do after that
Is to die.
-Ikkyu

Cecil · 14th June 2006, 10:41 PM

*points at sig*

EnanMyHero · 14th June 2006, 10:47 PM

Death comes to us all, just to some in messier ways than others. -me

Marquis de Carabas · 14th June 2006, 10:52 PM

If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball. --Phil Jackson

Dr Adequate · 15th June 2006, 02:51 AM

Did you ever wonder about Yoda's grammar?

Here's a guy whose mental powers are so highly developed he can levitate things, who's five hundred years old ... and who hasn't yet grasped the simple fact that English syntax is subject-verb-object.

Another thing ... their civilization can travel faster than light but they haven't figured out that if they put up a few guard railings they'd be less likely to keep falling over the edges of things.

Great quantum physicists, rubbish at Health & Safety.

I'm just saying.

Wudang · 15th June 2006, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Another thing ... their civilization can travel faster than light but they haven't figured out that if they put up a few guard railings they'd be less likely to keep falling over the edges of things.

I think travelling faster than light must mess up the brain somehow. Look at Star Trek - a weapon hits the hull so control panels on the bridge explode. Why haven't they fitted some fuses?
Will noone think of the ensigns?

hipparchia · 15th June 2006, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Did you ever wonder about Yoda's grammar?
I'm just saying.

Ah, but reversed grammar may be the key to supernatural powers.

Ever read the Anastasia books? She is supposed to be a gorgeous blonde living in Siberia. She can visit other planets, has masteres teleportation and so on. The series of books are written in a really reversed yoda-type grammar (that's how they sound in Russian and Bulgarian).

In the preface to the book series, the lady is specifically quoted saying the books are written this way because it will affect positively the world's vibrations or something. If translated in English, they should sound like yoda-talk.

Remember- reversed grammar to higher jedi skills might take you.

brodski · 15th June 2006, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Great quantum physicists, rubbish at Health & Safety.

I'm just saying.

Mybey they are all so smart beceasue of poor health and safety measures, the stupid die early in the empire, mainly through industrial accidents.

Tricky · 15th June 2006, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Pauliesonne

anymore from y'all?

"Hokey weapons and ancient religions are no match for a good blaster at your side Kid!"
--Han Solo

UrsulaV · 15th June 2006, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Did you ever wonder about Yoda's grammar?

Here's a guy whose mental powers are so highly developed he can levitate things, who's five hundred years old ... and who hasn't yet grasped the simple fact that English syntax is subject-verb-object.

AND they let him teach small children, too!

"Learn good grammar you must!"

Somewhere, in a galaxy far far away, there are a great many Jedi who get out of first grade ill prepared for standardized Imperial testing...

c4ts · 15th June 2006, 05:48 AM

Latin word order Yoda likes. Find the nominative, you can? Hmmm?

JamesDillon · 15th June 2006, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Did you ever wonder about Yoda's grammar?

Here's a guy whose mental powers are so highly developed he can levitate things, who's five hundred years old ... and who hasn't yet grasped the simple fact that English syntax is subject-verb-object.

Having given this far too much thought in my lifetime...

1) I believe that Yoda was nine hundred years old as of Return of the Jedi.
2) Maybe the syntax thing was a way of illustrating his age. Think how much the English language has evolved over the past nine hundred years. Someone who learned the language in 1106 would sound very odd to us today. (Ok, we probably wouldn't be able to understand a word they said, but we can assume that Lucas needed to tone down the linguistic differences for dramatic purposes so that we could all understand what Yoda was talking about). So perhaps Yoda's odd syntax was an indication that the Basic language had evolved significantly during his lifetime?

Jimbo07 · 15th June 2006, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by JamesDillon

2) Maybe the syntax thing was a way of illustrating his age.

Maybe he actually knew better, but like a curmudgeonly professor, refused to change his ways.

rocketdodger · 15th June 2006, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Scott Haley

I HATE that quote. Children learn to walk by trying and trying until they succeed. Everything we deliberately do is an attempt. The attempts often succeed. The simplest thing you try to do, there's some small chance you'll fail.

Yes but yoda was talking about controlling the force, not the material universe.

I happen to think that this statement is very insightful. Is telekinesis possible? Maybe. Has anyone done it? Of course not.

Why? Perhaps it is something that we must have 100% faith in our ability to do before we can do it at all. In other words, maybe we could all fly if we could just remove all doubt in our ability to do it. Is that possible? I dunno -- I certainly can't.

Dark Jaguar · 15th June 2006, 12:52 PM

Riiiight.

Isn't the force PART of their material universe? I mean, it seems to exist and have a measurable effect on it. Myself? I would have built force absorbing engines to drain all the jedi and sith and sent out giant "force tech" robots to take over the universe.

EnanMyHero · 15th June 2006, 12:52 PM

"Life isn't fair, deal with it" -friend from work

fuelair · 15th June 2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

We eat, sh[rule 8]t, sleep, and get up;
This is our world.
All we have to do after that
Is to die.
-Ikkyu

Or, in the same spirit from BluLips: All I do
the whole day through
Is eat and poo.

surrealdesi · 15th June 2006, 02:41 PM

You know we've got problems in this world when we're quoting some brainless shriveled up fictional character from a damn movie. Here's a quote for you from a thinking man who changed the world:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." -- Karl Marx

c4ts · 15th June 2006, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by surrealdesi

You know we've got problems in this world when we're quoting some brainless shriveled up fictional character from a damn movie.

I dunno. People quote Jesus all the time.

Piscivore · 15th June 2006, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by surrealdesi

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." -- Karl Marx

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
- Groucho Marx

surrealdesi · 15th June 2006, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by c4ts

I dunno. People quote Jesus all the time.

Jesus quoters are no different from Yoda quoters. Just because something is popular does not mean its worth paying attention to or taken seriously. American Idol is a perfect example of this.

UserGoogol · 15th June 2006, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Jaguar

Riiiight.

Isn't the force PART of their material universe? I mean, it seems to exist and have a measurable effect on it. Myself? I would have built force absorbing engines to drain all the jedi and sith and sent out giant "force tech" robots to take over the universe.

Jedi manipulate the Force by "thinking." Thus, one of the most important skills in developing Jedi powers is sheer force of will. Therefore, in that context, "do or do not, there is no try" is perfectly reasonable, because the most important thing is to believe that you have the powers.

Also, I don't think the Force works in such a way that it can be stored in machines, but of course (except for the Midiclorian comments in Episode One) Lucas generally kept the Force quasi-mystical and I don't really know if the expanded universe changed that, so it's hard to say.

That said, I too find it annoying when people apply that quote to the real world. As Scott Haley says, all you can do is try.

Piscivore · 15th June 2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by surrealdesi

Just because something is popular does not mean its worth paying attention to or taken seriously.

Just because something is popular does not mean it is not, either.

This Guy · 15th June 2006, 03:59 PM

"We are all responsible for where we are"

Expanded - Where we (each individual) are is the result of decisions we made along the way. We are responsible. No one else!

These words came from a Navy Chief that instructed a class I took back in oh 1980 or so. Those words have stuck with me since. The more you consider them, I think you'll find the more they are true.

Where you are, and your condition (wealth, happeniss....), is the direct result of decisions you made.

Obviously there are some physical/mental conditions that invalidate this, but for most "normal" adults, this is a true statement.

joller · 15th June 2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Tricky

"Hokey weapons and ancient religions are no match for a good blaster at your side Kid!"
--Han Solo

Just in case you're testing me, i feel obliged to point out the quote is actually the other way around:

Quote:

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid

JamesDillon · 15th June 2006, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by surrealdesi

You know we've got problems in this world when we're quoting some brainless shriveled up fictional character from a damn movie. Here's a quote for you from a thinking man who changed the world:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." -- Karl Marx

Your lack of faith... disturbs me.

rocketdodger · 15th June 2006, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by UserGoogol

That said, I too find it annoying when people apply that quote to the real world.

Except that Lucas ripped off the ideas of Qi from the thousands of years of chinese culture, so actually any quote about the force IS about the real world. Well, at least woo that real people believe in.

RandFan · 15th June 2006, 10:37 PM

"All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia". --W.C. Fields

Katana · 16th June 2006, 08:24 AM

"The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others."
-Bertrand Russell

ceo_esq · 16th June 2006, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Pauliesonne

"Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

-Yoda

Just goes to show that the old Jedi master wasn't above resorting to a slippery-slope argument.

JamesDillon · 16th June 2006, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by ceo_esq

Just goes to show that the old Jedi master wasn't above resorting to a slippery-slope argument.

Unexpected, this is. And unfortunate.

Beleth · 16th June 2006, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Another thing ... their civilization can travel faster than light but they haven't figured out that if they put up a few guard railings they'd be less likely to keep falling over the edges of things.

Or make prosthetic limbs that didn't look like they were made from bumpers of '57 Chevys.

Imaginative · 19th June 2006, 08:35 AM

OK. I know I'm late to the table but here's one I either heard or I made up, you decide because I can't remember.

Quote: We're all mad, some are just madder than others.

Piscivore · 19th June 2006, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Imaginative

OK. I know I'm late to the table but here's one I either heard or I made up, you decide because I can't remember.

Quote: We're all mad, some are just madder than others.

I think that was on an "Alice in Wonderland" themed stoner shirt, IIRC.

American · 19th June 2006, 09:40 AM

All 3 cause-effects are not the least bit supported in reality, nor in philisophical argument (of which none is even provided).

Even less so as a linked path from the first condition to the last.

Like all bumper-stickers, it is sensationalist nonsense.

14th June 2006, 09:37 PM	#1
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	The finest philosophical quote awaits you inside..... Behold the wisdom of one of the greatest fictional minds of all time; ... "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." -Yoda anymore from y'all?
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Marquis de Carabas Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: vuori Posts: 27,106	Yoda says that like it's a bad thing. ETA... and wouldn't a better thread title have been "Awaits you inside, the finest philosophical quote does"?
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14th June 2006, 09:59 PM	#3
Pauliesonne Bi Gi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: A small town in Northern Ireland called Limavady. Posts: 2,691	Originally Posted by Marquis de Carabas Yoda says that like it's a bad thing. ETA... and wouldn't a better thread title have been "Awaits you inside, the finest philosophical quote does"? clipped round the ear, smart ***'s like you eventually get.......
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Scott Haley Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 562	I HATE that quote. Children learn to walk by trying and trying until they succeed. Everything we deliberately do is an attempt. The attempts often succeed. The simplest thing you try to do, there's some small chance you'll fail.
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joller Thinker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 203	Originally Posted by Pauliesonne Behold the wisdom of one of the greatest fictional minds of all time; ... "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." -Yoda anymore from y'all? My favourite yoda quote is this: "No, try not. Do, or do not. There is no try."

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Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Did you ever wonder about Yoda's grammar? Here's a guy whose mental powers are so highly developed he can levitate things, who's five hundred years old ... and who hasn't yet grasped the simple fact that English syntax is subject-verb-object. Another thing ... their civilization can travel faster than light but they haven't figured out that if they put up a few guard railings they'd be less likely to keep falling over the edges of things. Great quantum physicists, rubbish at Health & Safety. I'm just saying.

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Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sheffield Posts: 8,247	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Another thing ... their civilization can travel faster than light but they haven't figured out that if they put up a few guard railings they'd be less likely to keep falling over the edges of things. I think travelling faster than light must mess up the brain somehow. Look at Star Trek - a weapon hits the hull so control panels on the bridge explode. Why haven't they fitted some fuses? Will noone think of the ensigns?
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hipparchia Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 472	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Did you ever wonder about Yoda's grammar? I'm just saying. Ah, but reversed grammar may be the key to supernatural powers. Ever read the Anastasia books? She is supposed to be a gorgeous blonde living in Siberia. She can visit other planets, has masteres teleportation and so on. The series of books are written in a really reversed yoda-type grammar (that's how they sound in Russian and Bulgarian). In the preface to the book series, the lady is specifically quoted saying the books are written this way because it will affect positively the world's vibrations or something. If translated in English, they should sound like yoda-talk. Remember- reversed grammar to higher jedi skills might take you.

15th June 2006, 04:46 AM	#13
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,089	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Great quantum physicists, rubbish at Health & Safety. I'm just saying. Mybey they are all so smart beceasue of poor health and safety measures, the stupid die early in the empire, mainly through industrial accidents.
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15th June 2006, 05:11 AM	#14
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,371	Originally Posted by Pauliesonne anymore from y'all? "Hokey weapons and ancient religions are no match for a good blaster at your side Kid!" --Han Solo

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UrsulaV Muse Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 957	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Did you ever wonder about Yoda's grammar? Here's a guy whose mental powers are so highly developed he can levitate things, who's five hundred years old ... and who hasn't yet grasped the simple fact that English syntax is subject-verb-object. AND they let him teach small children, too! "Learn good grammar you must!" Somewhere, in a galaxy far far away, there are a great many Jedi who get out of first grade ill prepared for standardized Imperial testing...
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c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Latin word order Yoda likes. Find the nominative, you can? Hmmm?
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15th June 2006, 08:04 AM	#17
JamesDillon Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,631	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Did you ever wonder about Yoda's grammar? Here's a guy whose mental powers are so highly developed he can levitate things, who's five hundred years old ... and who hasn't yet grasped the simple fact that English syntax is subject-verb-object. Having given this far too much thought in my lifetime... 1) I believe that Yoda was nine hundred years old as of Return of the Jedi. 2) Maybe the syntax thing was a way of illustrating his age. Think how much the English language has evolved over the past nine hundred years. Someone who learned the language in 1106 would sound very odd to us today. (Ok, we probably wouldn't be able to understand a word they said, but we can assume that Lucas needed to tone down the linguistic differences for dramatic purposes so that we could all understand what Yoda was talking about). So perhaps Yoda's odd syntax was an indication that the Basic language had evolved significantly during his lifetime?
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Jimbo07 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,418	Originally Posted by JamesDillon 2) Maybe the syntax thing was a way of illustrating his age. Maybe he actually knew better, but like a curmudgeonly professor, refused to change his ways.
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rocketdodger Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 6,669	Originally Posted by Scott Haley I HATE that quote. Children learn to walk by trying and trying until they succeed. Everything we deliberately do is an attempt. The attempts often succeed. The simplest thing you try to do, there's some small chance you'll fail. Yes but yoda was talking about controlling the force, not the material universe. I happen to think that this statement is very insightful. Is telekinesis possible? Maybe. Has anyone done it? Of course not. Why? Perhaps it is something that we must have 100% faith in our ability to do before we can do it at all. In other words, maybe we could all fly if we could just remove all doubt in our ability to do it. Is that possible? I dunno -- I certainly can't.

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Dark Jaguar Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,666	Riiiight. Isn't the force PART of their material universe? I mean, it seems to exist and have a measurable effect on it. Myself? I would have built force absorbing engines to drain all the jedi and sith and sent out giant "force tech" robots to take over the universe.

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fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Piscivore We eat, sh[rule 8]t, sleep, and get up; This is our world. All we have to do after that Is to die. -Ikkyu Or, in the same spirit from BluLips: All I do the whole day through Is eat and poo.
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15th June 2006, 02:41 PM	#23
surrealdesi New Blood Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2	Yoda? You know we've got problems in this world when we're quoting some brainless shriveled up fictional character from a damn movie. Here's a quote for you from a thinking man who changed the world: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." -- Karl Marx

15th June 2006, 02:43 PM	#24
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Originally Posted by surrealdesi You know we've got problems in this world when we're quoting some brainless shriveled up fictional character from a damn movie. I dunno. People quote Jesus all the time.
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Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,480	Originally Posted by surrealdesi "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." -- Karl Marx Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies. - Groucho Marx
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15th June 2006, 03:21 PM	#26
surrealdesi New Blood Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2	Jesus - Yoda, same difference! Originally Posted by c4ts I dunno. People quote Jesus all the time. Jesus quoters are no different from Yoda quoters. Just because something is popular does not mean its worth paying attention to or taken seriously. American Idol is a perfect example of this.

15th June 2006, 03:37 PM	#27
UserGoogol Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,074	Originally Posted by Dark Jaguar Riiiight. Isn't the force PART of their material universe? I mean, it seems to exist and have a measurable effect on it. Myself? I would have built force absorbing engines to drain all the jedi and sith and sent out giant "force tech" robots to take over the universe. Jedi manipulate the Force by "thinking." Thus, one of the most important skills in developing Jedi powers is sheer force of will. Therefore, in that context, "do or do not, there is no try" is perfectly reasonable, because the most important thing is to believe that you have the powers. Also, I don't think the Force works in such a way that it can be stored in machines, but of course (except for the Midiclorian comments in Episode One) Lucas generally kept the Force quasi-mystical and I don't really know if the expanded universe changed that, so it's hard to say. That said, I too find it annoying when people apply that quote to the real world. As Scott Haley says, all you can do is try.
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15th June 2006, 03:52 PM	#28
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,480	Originally Posted by surrealdesi Just because something is popular does not mean its worth paying attention to or taken seriously. Just because something is popular does not mean it is not, either.
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joller Thinker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 203	Originally Posted by Tricky "Hokey weapons and ancient religions are no match for a good blaster at your side Kid!" --Han Solo Just in case you're testing me, i feel obliged to point out the quote is actually the other way around: Quote: Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid

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JamesDillon Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,631	Originally Posted by surrealdesi You know we've got problems in this world when we're quoting some brainless shriveled up fictional character from a damn movie. Here's a quote for you from a thinking man who changed the world: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." -- Karl Marx Your lack of faith... disturbs me.
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15th June 2006, 10:36 PM	#32
rocketdodger Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 6,669	Originally Posted by UserGoogol That said, I too find it annoying when people apply that quote to the real world. Except that Lucas ripped off the ideas of Qi from the thousands of years of chinese culture, so actually any quote about the force IS about the real world. Well, at least woo that real people believe in.

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16th June 2006, 08:24 AM	#34
Katana Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,894	"The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others." -Bertrand Russell
Katana Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,894	__________________ "I think Katana is as big of a perv as the rest of us." - Dragonrock "The rationality was there, and clear and concise. The condescention was hinted at and was like french onion dip on the perfect potato chip. Tasted like woo smackdown." - Fowlsound (aka Ducky, darnit) "Katana is one quick shut-yo-mouth!" - JonnyFive StopSylviaBrowne

16th June 2006, 08:41 AM	#35
ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Originally Posted by Pauliesonne "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." -Yoda Just goes to show that the old Jedi master wasn't above resorting to a slippery-slope argument.
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16th June 2006, 07:22 PM	#36
JamesDillon Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,631	Originally Posted by ceo_esq Just goes to show that the old Jedi master wasn't above resorting to a slippery-slope argument. Unexpected, this is. And unfortunate.
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