"Loose Change" creators speak, and it ain't pretty.

Gravy · 18th June 2006, 04:43 AM

A frightening look at what the creators of "Loose Change" actually say during public interviews. Unfortunately, it looks like Dylan Avery & co. do believe the insane things they say.

Go here to download the 3.2 Mb PDF.
http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=123105

To any anti-9/11 CTs who want to host this, please do. I want spread the word far and wide about these guys. And someone please post a link at the LC forum. The Loosers should see their heroes in action.

60hzxtl · 18th June 2006, 06:14 AM

Gravy!

I've given it a fast look, and plan to give it a full read when I find the top of my desk.

One thing that has confounded me and I think we got lost in the tall weeds -

The word, Freefall.

Simplified: Anything not subjected to friction and not propelled, anything dropped, is in freefall. Let go of your pencil and it falls to the floor in freefall.

(visit Galileo on the tower of Pisa)

the word should not be confused with Terminal Velocity. Again simplified, the maximum rate of speed that things fall in earth's atmosphere.

(The physicists here can provide the table - and there are numerous web sources, I'm just keeping it simple and not talking above my pay grade.)

I have personal experience with both freefall, and terminal velocity. Can't have one without the other, but all freefall is not Terminal Velocity.

I welcome the scientists and engineers to fine tune or correct me.

The losers have misused one more term.

Hawk one · 18th June 2006, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by 60hzxtl

Simplified: Anything not subjected to friction and not propelled, anything dropped, is in freefall. Let go of your pencil and it falls to the floor in freefall.

That seems a bit over-simplified even. After all, dropping your pencil here on earth will make it a subject to air friction, thus it doesn't fall in freefall.

Drop it on the moon, on the other hand...

Or am I totally misunderstanding again?

60hzxtl · 18th June 2006, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by Hawk one

That seems a bit over-simplified even. After all, dropping your pencil here on earth will make it a subject to air friction, thus it doesn't fall in freefall.

Drop it on the moon, on the other hand...

Or am I totally misunderstanding again?

Simplified to make the semantic point. (Unless you are anti-semantic.)

The CT'ers ain't too brite! My point being that they misuse the term, Freefall.

Besides, if you talk to them no one has been to the moon so the less atmosphere, less gravity on the moon is irrelevant!

Freefall and Terminal velocity are not the same thing.

Ryokan · 18th June 2006, 06:32 AM

All I see is a .pdf file. How do I know it's real?

Hawk one · 18th June 2006, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by 60hzxtl

Simplified to make the semantic point. (Unless you are anti-semantic.)

Well, it's not a good idea to simplify things too much around here, is it?

Quote:

The CT'ers ain't too brite! My point being that they misuse the term, Freefall.

Besides, if you talk to them no one has been to the moon so the less atmosphere, less gravity on the moon is irrelevant!

Touché.

Of course, the non-atmosphere situation inside their skulls should provide plenty of opportunity to test out Galileo's work, eh?

asmodean · 18th June 2006, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by Gravy

To any anti-9/11 CTs who want to host this, please do. I want spread the word far and wide about these guys. And someone please post a link at the LC forum. The Loosers should see their heroes in action.

Have stored a copy at:

http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~asmodean/ct/...tors_Speak.pdf

MarkyX · 18th June 2006, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

All I see is a .pdf file. How do I know it's real?

Google the internet radio shows. They usually hold an archive on their site.

kookbreaker · 18th June 2006, 07:59 AM

Ugh. I got to page 25 and needed to take a shower.

60hzxtl · 18th June 2006, 08:41 AM

In pdf reader, go to VIEW, go to READ ALOUD.

Kinda like Steven Hawking reads Gravy!

Suddenly it's an audio book.

Grundar · 18th June 2006, 08:45 AM

About the same for me, 35 pages and then i needed a break. Good work so far Gravy . I shudder thinking of having to transcribe those interviews.

/Hans

Gravy · 18th June 2006, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by 60hzxtl

In pdf reader, go to VIEW, go to READ ALOUD.

Kinda like Steven Hawking reads Gravy!

Suddenly it's an audio book.

You're a sick man, 60hz. But if I were to record an audiobook of this material, most of it would consist of me cursing and the sound of things smashing against the wall.

Thanks, asmodean. I sent a copy to Mike of 911myths.com, and, of course, to the unholy trio who inspired all this.

Class · 18th June 2006, 10:49 AM

Has this been posted on the LC forum yet?

Class · 18th June 2006, 11:12 AM

Been reading through it and just got up to page 53, only to discover that page 53 is blank! The only text on it is the '53' at the bottom of the page.

RandFan · 18th June 2006, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

All I see is a .pdf file. How do I know it's real?

You click on it. If it pops up it is real.

I know what you mean. I've tested it, it's fine.

RandFan · 18th June 2006, 11:58 AM

Is this your work Gravy?

Gravy · 18th June 2006, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Class

Been reading through it and just got up to page 53, only to discover that page 53 is blank! The only text on it is the '53' at the bottom of the page.

The quotes on page 53 were so vile that I could only print them using "clear" font color.

No, looks like it was a PDF translation error. There's notihng missing, just a blank page added. You can use it to draw a picture of your favorite Looser.

I haven't checked to see if it's on the LC site. I'll go there now.

asmodean · 18th June 2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Thanks, asmodean. I sent a copy to Mike of 911myths.com, and, of course, to the unholy trio who inspired all this.

You're more than welcome. The more people hosting/storing this, the less the chance it gets lost anywhere. And I think it's important that things like this gets out and is kept available.

RandFan · 18th June 2006, 12:38 PM

My hats off to you Gravy. Excellent work. Thank you.

RandFan · 18th June 2006, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Page 16

And Bernard Sr. was like 'Hey, don't be afraid to die, because everybody's gonna some day," and his son got on flight 77 and we know what happened to that. Oh, actually, we DON'T know what happened to flight 77, but we do know what happened to Bernard. And Bernard Brown Sr., according to his wife, took an UNUSUAL day off from work to go play golf. Like, this is a man who never took a single day off of work, and after telling his son not to be afraid to die, he takes a day off work to go play GOLF, and had he not been on the golf course, he would have been killed.

Host: Has anybody tried to question him?

Avery: "Um, me and Phil (Jayhan, “LC’s” original producer) were actually considering tracking him down and getting him on the phone, to talk to him about 9/11 and see if anything slips. But I think he was either deeply involved in it, and talking to him on the phone might not be such a hot idea, or talking to him about sending his son to die might be a bad idea. Since that article was published...by MSNBC, I believe nobody's actually tried to contact him, and we actually haven't heard from him since.

This is disgusting. They are accusing a man who lost his son of sending that son to die while he went to play golf.

Avery, I have a question, have they no shame sir?

steve s · 18th June 2006, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Grundar

About the same for me, 35 pages and then i needed a break.

35 pages?! I couldn't get past the first page. All that nonsense about plastic butter knives. These idiots obviously haven't seen those plastic hunting knives you can find advertised in some magazines. You could easily slaughter a deer with one of those.

Steve S.

Yahzi · 18th June 2006, 02:00 PM

Can I ask a question?

Why is Avery still alive?

If the government is willing to fake a terrorist attack and kill thousands to advance their goals, why wouldn't they be willing to fake a car accident and kill one or two noisy investigators?

If what Avery says is true, he should be dead.

Yahzi · 18th June 2006, 02:04 PM

Single best line in the whole document (in true CT fashion I didn't bother reading the entire document before reaching this decision

):

Quote:

From the “Pot, meet Kettle” department: Avery loses confidence in the original producer of "Loose Change," who got him mixed up in the pod business.
About Phil Jayhan: He said he found the missile. He said that Deb (Simon) found the bomb on the wing. THERE'S NO BOMB ON THE WING! It's just Phil! It's Phil looking at videos and seeing what he sees and you can't make him think anything else. I've tried talking to him about that "laser" footage. I mean, Phil, it's a piece of goddam paper. I've got the raw footage from Cameraplanet. I'm tell-ing you it's a piece of paper. But he's like, 'No, it's a laser and I can prove it.' " (2)

Irony is the supreme ruler of our age, and it rules with an iron fist.

The_Fire · 18th June 2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by steve s

35 pages?! I couldn't get past the first page. All that nonsense about plastic butter knives. These idiots obviously haven't seen those plastic hunting knives you can find advertised in some magazines. You could easily slaughter a deer with one of those.

Steve S.

Or the ones they manufacture from toothbrushes in prisons.....

Johnny Pixels · 18th June 2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Yahzi

Can I ask a question?

Why is Avery still alive?

If the government is willing to fake a terrorist attack and kill thousands to advance their goals, why wouldn't they be willing to fake a car accident and kill one or two noisy investigators?

If what Avery says is true, he should be dead

I asked on the LC forum why the site was still up and hadn't been brought down by a government that could demolish buildings in the middle of downtown Manhatten, and apparently it was because it would bring the spotlight onto the "truth" movement, and then the government would have some questions to answer.

I think they've got a very high opinion of themselves.

Yahzi · 18th June 2006, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Johnny Pixels

apparently it was because it would bring the spotlight onto the "truth" movement, and then the government would have some questions to answer.

But... but... but their entire goal is to bring the spotlight onto the truth movement, and pose questions for the government to answer.

They shill relentlessly for public attention, and glow about every scrap they get. Not once do they say, "shh, keep our names out of this, we don't want to be killed."

You are correct - they have an extremely high opinion of themselves. This whole thing would be funny if a) they were 12 years old, and b) people with radio shows did not take them seriously.

Mr. Scott · 18th June 2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

A frightening look at what the creators of "Loose Change" actually say during public interviews. Unfortunately, it looks like Dylan Avery & co. do believe the insane things they say.

Very well done. Thanks!

I mean...

One thing that affected me was how often in the transcripts of Avery's statemets he says "I mean" or "and, I mean." He sometimes says it every 10 words or so. Trying to read those were, for me, like being hit by a cattle prod, I mean, each time Avery, I mean, said "I mean." (Bermas also does this)

Aside from reminding me that they think and speak like goofy teenagers, I wondered what was going on in one's mind each time one says it. My best guess is that he uses the phrase when he realizes he's not getting his point across, I mean, when he realizes he's failing to articulate his thoughts.

They remind me of "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" which I think characterizes their antics perfectly. They are kids intellectually bungee jumping, and are really only in it to satisfy their addiction to excitement and conquest.

Pak43 · 18th June 2006, 04:07 PM

IMHO I think that Mr Avery is hooked on the publicity train and can't get off. He's got a bunch of journo's asking him his thoughts and opinions which he absolutely gets his rocks off on. In order to keep this happening he has to generate crazier and more sensational statements to keep their interest because their trying to move the story on and he has nothing else. A bit like a small child vying for their parents attention when the phone rings. I've seen this before and last time it ended with the subject appearing on a chat show dressed in a tracksuit proclaiming themself as the son of god....not pretty, but pretty funny...

Shrinker · 18th June 2006, 04:18 PM

I saw the LC3 preview thingy a while ago. I also got the impression Avery actually believes it. The reason? He seems to have forgotten what made LC2 popular. He's now so immersed in the stuff he thinks everyone believes it, and is now just preaching to his choir. To open with a tirade against the disinformation agents within the troof movement was about the dumbest thing he could do. Why would anybody new to 9/11 CTs give a damn about stuff like that?

ETA: forgot to say, well done again Gravy!

Gravy · 18th June 2006, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Scott

Very well done. Thanks!

I mean...

One thing that affected me was how often in the transcripts of Avery's statemets he says "I mean" or "and, I mean."

Oh, you should see all the "I means" I left out! Sometimes there were so many that they interfered too much with the –ahem – meaning of what he was saying.

sat556 · 18th June 2006, 05:47 PM

Brillaint work again Gravy. Just read the whole thing. How you manage to keep the personal comments to such a minimum is beyond me. I think if I did one it'd be full of snappy and sarcastic comment.

Meffy · 18th June 2006, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

No, looks like it was a PDF translation error. There's notihng missing, just a blank page added.

Caption it "Photo of Invisicrete sample." :-S

joseph k. · 18th June 2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Yahzi

Irony is the supreme ruler of our age, and it rules with an iron fist.

The Irony Age...I like that.

Originally Posted by sat556

How you manage to keep the personal comments to such a minimum is beyond me. I think if I did one it'd be full of snappy and sarcastic comment.

I think he got tired of that being the "debunking" focal point, but I felt the same way. If I created this document it surely would be much more blue. I commend Gravy for his patience and apparent immunity to levels of inanity previously unreached. I will share this in a variety of places, thanks [again] for your efforts, sir.

HidariMak · 18th June 2006, 06:42 PM

I admit that time prevents me from reading all of the discussions here, so this may have already been brought up by someone else, but what's separating these Loosers from the Al-Queda anyways? (Aside from the fact that the Al-Queda aren't currently denying the 9/11 terrorist attack, that is?)

I mean, Dylan Avery and his cohorts show a strong sense of disrespect to those who were killed in that attack, to the families of the victims, and to the intelligence of those in the free world in general. Just like the Al-Queda.

They claim that they are fighting against the US government, and that the public shouldn't believe the government, nor anyone in the media since they only propagate the lies of the government. Just like the Al-Queda.

They love taking statements out of context, and sticking with those statements long after everyone has been informed of the true meaning, like errornous reports of which jet was just used as a missle to strike the WTC buildings. Or the Al-Queda members who twist the Muslim belief that you get blessed only when murdering armed enemies on the battlefield, to include random innocent bystanders.

I'd love to see the war draft introduced again, for all of 5 seconds or so, just long enough to get these guys shipped overseas to help the battle. Perhaps then they'll see the hate which caused those attacks, head on. Or at the very least, they'd be better as cannon fodder than any of the soldiers currently serving there.

Also Gravy, thanks for highlighting again the intellect behind the Loose Change videos. Your stomach is much stronger than mine is.

SRW · 18th June 2006, 06:49 PM

I cannot believe I read the whole thing. I took the better part of the afternoon because I had to go outside and kill things to keep sane,(weeds and bugs in the garden).

Great job and you have my sympathy for having to sift through all that B.S. I have been talking to a bunch of loonies about these things and your info is invaluable to debunking their questions. Which is weird; they never make statements only ask questions.

Gravy · 18th June 2006, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by HidariMak

(Aside from the fact that the Al-Quida aren't currently denying the 9/11 terrorist attack, that is?)

Bwah!

Bwah said, I do think it's going too far to lump the Loosers in with al Qaeda. That's like them saying that Bush is like Hitler. While they are trying to convince people that al Qaeda either isn't a threat or is directly controlled by the U,S., it's still the obligation of every individual to question those claims. No one is being forced to watch "Loose Change," although some of the radio hosts think it should be mandatory viewing. And I get the feeling they really mean "mandatory."

The strange thing is, Korey Rowe did serve in the Army in Afghanistan and Iraq. He chose a bad time to enlist: just before 9/11, so he may feel bitter about that.

I did receive a one-line email reply from Avery today:
"To put it gently, you are simply a waste of my time."

Stellafane · 18th June 2006, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Page 16

And Bernard Sr. was like 'Hey, don't be afraid to die, because everybody's gonna some day," and his son got on flight 77 and we know what happened to that. Oh, actually, we DON'T know what happened to flight 77, but we do know what happened to Bernard. And Bernard Brown Sr., according to his wife, took an UNUSUAL day off from work to go play golf. Like, this is a man who never took a single day off of work, and after telling his son not to be afraid to die, he takes a day off work to go play GOLF, and had he not been on the golf course, he would have been killed.

Host: Has anybody tried to question him?

Avery: "Um, me and Phil (Jayhan, “LC’s” original producer) were actually considering tracking him down and getting him on the phone, to talk to him about 9/11 and see if anything slips. But I think he was either deeply involved in it, and talking to him on the phone might not be such a hot idea, or talking to him about sending his son to die might be a bad idea. Since that article was published...by MSNBC, I believe nobody's actually tried to contact him, and we actually haven't heard from him since.

I started writing a response to this, and realized I simply can't do it, other than to say Dylan Avery is despicable scum, and so is anyone else who accepts this sort of vile crap he spews. The other things I'm thinking probably are better left unarticulated.

I have nothing but the highest respect for those of you who respond to these maggots and ensure this swill does not go unchallenged. I simply do not have the patience, maturity, and self-control necessary to do it.

Gravy · 18th June 2006, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Meffy

Caption it "Photo of Invisicrete sample." :-S

Remember, people who live in Invisicrete houses shouldn't throw cruise missiles.

Meffy · 18th June 2006, 07:45 PM

You'd think so, yes. Go figure.

I'll add my thanks for your having gone to all this trouble, but I've not downloaded and read this. Not yet, might do so in the future. But: well done.

RandFan · 18th June 2006, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Stellafane

I started writing a response to this, and realized I simply can't do it, other than to say Dylan Avery is despicable scum, and so is anyone else who accepts this sort of vile crap he spews. The other things I'm thinking probably are better left unarticulated.

I have nothing but the highest respect for those of you who respond to these maggots and ensure this swill does not go unchallenged. I simply do not have the patience, maturity, and self-control necessary to do it.

It's unbelievable. I can't begin to express how disgusted I am with this turd. How do you accuse a man of murdering his child without any evidence?

I hope that the man they accuse is simply left alone. He doesn't need to dignify Avery's sick and twisted accusations. He didn't ask for this. His son is dead for Ed's sake.

18th June 2006, 04:43 AM	#1
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,062	"Loose Change" creators speak, and it ain't pretty. A frightening look at what the creators of "Loose Change" actually say during public interviews. Unfortunately, it looks like Dylan Avery & co. do believe the insane things they say. Go here to download the 3.2 Mb PDF. http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=123105 To any anti-9/11 CTs who want to host this, please do. I want spread the word far and wide about these guys. And someone please post a link at the LC forum. The Loosers should see their heroes in action.
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18th June 2006, 06:14 AM	#2
60hzxtl Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 698	Gravy! I've given it a fast look, and plan to give it a full read when I find the top of my desk. One thing that has confounded me and I think we got lost in the tall weeds - The word, Freefall. Simplified: Anything not subjected to friction and not propelled, anything dropped, is in freefall. Let go of your pencil and it falls to the floor in freefall. (visit Galileo on the tower of Pisa) the word should not be confused with Terminal Velocity. Again simplified, the maximum rate of speed that things fall in earth's atmosphere. (The physicists here can provide the table - and there are numerous web sources, I'm just keeping it simple and not talking above my pay grade.) I have personal experience with both freefall, and terminal velocity. Can't have one without the other, but all freefall is not Terminal Velocity. I welcome the scientists and engineers to fine tune or correct me. The losers have misused one more term.
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18th June 2006, 06:19 AM	#3
Hawk one Bond Villain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Guitar Hero dressing room... Posts: 9,614	Originally Posted by 60hzxtl Simplified: Anything not subjected to friction and not propelled, anything dropped, is in freefall. Let go of your pencil and it falls to the floor in freefall. That seems a bit over-simplified even. After all, dropping your pencil here on earth will make it a subject to air friction, thus it doesn't fall in freefall. Drop it on the moon, on the other hand... Or am I totally misunderstanding again?
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18th June 2006, 06:30 AM	#4
60hzxtl Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 698	Originally Posted by Hawk one That seems a bit over-simplified even. After all, dropping your pencil here on earth will make it a subject to air friction, thus it doesn't fall in freefall. Drop it on the moon, on the other hand... Or am I totally misunderstanding again? Simplified to make the semantic point. (Unless you are anti-semantic.) The CT'ers ain't too brite! My point being that they misuse the term, Freefall. Besides, if you talk to them no one has been to the moon so the less atmosphere, less gravity on the moon is irrelevant! Freefall and Terminal velocity are not the same thing.
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18th June 2006, 06:32 AM	#5
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 3,875	All I see is a .pdf file. How do I know it's real?
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18th June 2006, 06:33 AM	#6
Hawk one Bond Villain Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Guitar Hero dressing room... Posts: 9,614	Originally Posted by 60hzxtl Simplified to make the semantic point. (Unless you are anti-semantic.) Well, it's not a good idea to simplify things too much around here, is it? Quote: The CT'ers ain't too brite! My point being that they misuse the term, Freefall. Besides, if you talk to them no one has been to the moon so the less atmosphere, less gravity on the moon is irrelevant! Touché. Of course, the non-atmosphere situation inside their skulls should provide plenty of opportunity to test out Galileo's work, eh?
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18th June 2006, 07:26 AM	#7
asmodean Turing Complete Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern arctic tundra, second igloo on the left Posts: 512	Originally Posted by Gravy To any anti-9/11 CTs who want to host this, please do. I want spread the word far and wide about these guys. And someone please post a link at the LC forum. The Loosers should see their heroes in action. Have stored a copy at: http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~asmodean/ct/...tors_Speak.pdf
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18th June 2006, 07:45 AM	#8
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,016	Originally Posted by Ryokan All I see is a .pdf file. How do I know it's real? Google the internet radio shows. They usually hold an archive on their site.
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18th June 2006, 07:59 AM	#9
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,580	Ugh. I got to page 25 and needed to take a shower.
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18th June 2006, 08:41 AM	#10
60hzxtl Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 698	In pdf reader, go to VIEW, go to READ ALOUD. Kinda like Steven Hawking reads Gravy! Suddenly it's an audio book.
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18th June 2006, 08:45 AM	#11
Grundar Scholar Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 82	About the same for me, 35 pages and then i needed a break. Good work so far Gravy . I shudder thinking of having to transcribe those interviews. /Hans

18th June 2006, 09:42 AM	#12
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,062	Originally Posted by 60hzxtl In pdf reader, go to VIEW, go to READ ALOUD. Kinda like Steven Hawking reads Gravy! Suddenly it's an audio book. You're a sick man, 60hz. But if I were to record an audiobook of this material, most of it would consist of me cursing and the sound of things smashing against the wall. Thanks, asmodean. I sent a copy to Mike of 911myths.com, and, of course, to the unholy trio who inspired all this.
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18th June 2006, 10:49 AM	#13
Class Meatball Skeptic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: A few miles south of the 38th parallel, sipping on a dry martini Posts: 257	Has this been posted on the LC forum yet?

18th June 2006, 11:12 AM	#14
Class Meatball Skeptic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: A few miles south of the 38th parallel, sipping on a dry martini Posts: 257	Been reading through it and just got up to page 53, only to discover that page 53 is blank! The only text on it is the '53' at the bottom of the page.

18th June 2006, 11:56 AM	#15
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 31,124	Originally Posted by Ryokan All I see is a .pdf file. How do I know it's real? You click on it. If it pops up it is real. I know what you mean. I've tested it, it's fine.
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18th June 2006, 11:58 AM	#16
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 31,124	Is this your work Gravy?
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18th June 2006, 12:02 PM	#17
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,062	Originally Posted by Class Been reading through it and just got up to page 53, only to discover that page 53 is blank! The only text on it is the '53' at the bottom of the page. The quotes on page 53 were so vile that I could only print them using "clear" font color. No, looks like it was a PDF translation error. There's notihng missing, just a blank page added. You can use it to draw a picture of your favorite Looser. I haven't checked to see if it's on the LC site. I'll go there now.
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18th June 2006, 12:22 PM	#18
asmodean Turing Complete Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern arctic tundra, second igloo on the left Posts: 512	Originally Posted by Gravy Thanks, asmodean. I sent a copy to Mike of 911myths.com, and, of course, to the unholy trio who inspired all this. You're more than welcome. The more people hosting/storing this, the less the chance it gets lost anywhere. And I think it's important that things like this gets out and is kept available.
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18th June 2006, 12:38 PM	#19
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 31,124	My hats off to you Gravy. Excellent work. Thank you.
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18th June 2006, 12:46 PM	#20
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 31,124	Quote: Page 16 And Bernard Sr. was like 'Hey, don't be afraid to die, because everybody's gonna some day," and his son got on flight 77 and we know what happened to that. Oh, actually, we DON'T know what happened to flight 77, but we do know what happened to Bernard. And Bernard Brown Sr., according to his wife, took an UNUSUAL day off from work to go play golf. Like, this is a man who never took a single day off of work, and after telling his son not to be afraid to die, he takes a day off work to go play GOLF, and had he not been on the golf course, he would have been killed. Host: Has anybody tried to question him? Avery: "Um, me and Phil (Jayhan, “LC’s” original producer) were actually considering tracking him down and getting him on the phone, to talk to him about 9/11 and see if anything slips. But I think he was either deeply involved in it, and talking to him on the phone might not be such a hot idea, or talking to him about sending his son to die might be a bad idea. Since that article was published...by MSNBC, I believe nobody's actually tried to contact him, and we actually haven't heard from him since. This is disgusting. They are accusing a man who lost his son of sending that son to die while he went to play golf. Avery, I have a question, have they no shame sir?
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18th June 2006, 01:51 PM	#21
steve s Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,426	Originally Posted by Grundar About the same for me, 35 pages and then i needed a break. 35 pages?! I couldn't get past the first page. All that nonsense about plastic butter knives. These idiots obviously haven't seen those plastic hunting knives you can find advertised in some magazines. You could easily slaughter a deer with one of those. Steve S.
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18th June 2006, 02:00 PM	#22
Yahzi Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 2,672	Can I ask a question? Why is Avery still alive? If the government is willing to fake a terrorist attack and kill thousands to advance their goals, why wouldn't they be willing to fake a car accident and kill one or two noisy investigators? If what Avery says is true, he should be dead.
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18th June 2006, 02:04 PM	#23
Yahzi Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 2,672	Single best line in the whole document (in true CT fashion I didn't bother reading the entire document before reaching this decision ): Quote: From the “Pot, meet Kettle” department: Avery loses confidence in the original producer of "Loose Change," who got him mixed up in the pod business. About Phil Jayhan: He said he found the missile. He said that Deb (Simon) found the bomb on the wing. THERE'S NO BOMB ON THE WING! It's just Phil! It's Phil looking at videos and seeing what he sees and you can't make him think anything else. I've tried talking to him about that "laser" footage. I mean, Phil, it's a piece of goddam paper. I've got the raw footage from Cameraplanet. I'm tell-ing you it's a piece of paper. But he's like, 'No, it's a laser and I can prove it.' " (2) Irony is the supreme ruler of our age, and it rules with an iron fist.
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18th June 2006, 02:06 PM	#24
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 2,458	Originally Posted by steve s 35 pages?! I couldn't get past the first page. All that nonsense about plastic butter knives. These idiots obviously haven't seen those plastic hunting knives you can find advertised in some magazines. You could easily slaughter a deer with one of those. Steve S. Or the ones they manufacture from toothbrushes in prisons.....
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18th June 2006, 02:07 PM	#25
Johnny Pixels and The Electric Revolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,393	Originally Posted by Yahzi Can I ask a question? Why is Avery still alive? If the government is willing to fake a terrorist attack and kill thousands to advance their goals, why wouldn't they be willing to fake a car accident and kill one or two noisy investigators? If what Avery says is true, he should be dead I asked on the LC forum why the site was still up and hadn't been brought down by a government that could demolish buildings in the middle of downtown Manhatten, and apparently it was because it would bring the spotlight onto the "truth" movement, and then the government would have some questions to answer. I think they've got a very high opinion of themselves.
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18th June 2006, 02:34 PM	#26
Yahzi Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 2,672	Originally Posted by Johnny Pixels apparently it was because it would bring the spotlight onto the "truth" movement, and then the government would have some questions to answer. But... but... but their entire goal is to bring the spotlight onto the truth movement, and pose questions for the government to answer. They shill relentlessly for public attention, and glow about every scrap they get. Not once do they say, "shh, keep our names out of this, we don't want to be killed." You are correct - they have an extremely high opinion of themselves. This whole thing would be funny if a) they were 12 years old, and b) people with radio shows did not take them seriously.
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18th June 2006, 03:30 PM	#27
Mr. Scott Under the Amazing One's Wing Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 930	I mean, why does Avery, I mean, say "I mean" so much? Originally Posted by Gravy A frightening look at what the creators of "Loose Change" actually say during public interviews. Unfortunately, it looks like Dylan Avery & co. do believe the insane things they say. Very well done. Thanks! I mean... One thing that affected me was how often in the transcripts of Avery's statemets he says "I mean" or "and, I mean." He sometimes says it every 10 words or so. Trying to read those were, for me, like being hit by a cattle prod, I mean, each time Avery, I mean, said "I mean." (Bermas also does this) Aside from reminding me that they think and speak like goofy teenagers, I wondered what was going on in one's mind each time one says it. My best guess is that he uses the phrase when he realizes he's not getting his point across, I mean, when he realizes he's failing to articulate his thoughts. They remind me of "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" which I think characterizes their antics perfectly. They are kids intellectually bungee jumping, and are really only in it to satisfy their addiction to excitement and conquest.
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18th June 2006, 04:07 PM	#28
Pak43 Student Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 25	IMHO I think that Mr Avery is hooked on the publicity train and can't get off. He's got a bunch of journo's asking him his thoughts and opinions which he absolutely gets his rocks off on. In order to keep this happening he has to generate crazier and more sensational statements to keep their interest because their trying to move the story on and he has nothing else. A bit like a small child vying for their parents attention when the phone rings. I've seen this before and last time it ended with the subject appearing on a chat show dressed in a tracksuit proclaiming themself as the son of god....not pretty, but pretty funny...
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18th June 2006, 04:18 PM	#29
Shrinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,026	I saw the LC3 preview thingy a while ago. I also got the impression Avery actually believes it. The reason? He seems to have forgotten what made LC2 popular. He's now so immersed in the stuff he thinks everyone believes it, and is now just preaching to his choir. To open with a tirade against the disinformation agents within the troof movement was about the dumbest thing he could do. Why would anybody new to 9/11 CTs give a damn about stuff like that? ETA: forgot to say, well done again Gravy!

18th June 2006, 05:36 PM	#30
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,062	Originally Posted by Mr. Scott Very well done. Thanks! I mean... One thing that affected me was how often in the transcripts of Avery's statemets he says "I mean" or "and, I mean." Oh, you should see all the "I means" I left out! Sometimes there were so many that they interfered too much with the –ahem – meaning of what he was saying.
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18th June 2006, 05:47 PM	#31
sat556 Guest Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 553	Brillaint work again Gravy. Just read the whole thing. How you manage to keep the personal comments to such a minimum is beyond me. I think if I did one it'd be full of snappy and sarcastic comment.
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18th June 2006, 06:36 PM	#32
Meffy Anthropomorphic Skunk Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Unincorporated Territory of Croatan Posts: 4,232	Originally Posted by Gravy No, looks like it was a PDF translation error. There's notihng missing, just a blank page added. Caption it "Photo of Invisicrete sample." :-S

18th June 2006, 06:38 PM	#33
joseph k. Scholar Join Date: May 2006 Location: A State of Disbelief Posts: 86	Originally Posted by Yahzi Irony is the supreme ruler of our age, and it rules with an iron fist. The Irony Age...I like that. Originally Posted by sat556 How you manage to keep the personal comments to such a minimum is beyond me. I think if I did one it'd be full of snappy and sarcastic comment. I think he got tired of that being the "debunking" focal point, but I felt the same way. If I created this document it surely would be much more blue. I commend Gravy for his patience and apparent immunity to levels of inanity previously unreached. I will share this in a variety of places, thanks [again] for your efforts, sir.

18th June 2006, 06:42 PM	#34
HidariMak Student Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 25	I admit that time prevents me from reading all of the discussions here, so this may have already been brought up by someone else, but what's separating these Loosers from the Al-Queda anyways? (Aside from the fact that the Al-Queda aren't currently denying the 9/11 terrorist attack, that is?) I mean, Dylan Avery and his cohorts show a strong sense of disrespect to those who were killed in that attack, to the families of the victims, and to the intelligence of those in the free world in general. Just like the Al-Queda. They claim that they are fighting against the US government, and that the public shouldn't believe the government, nor anyone in the media since they only propagate the lies of the government. Just like the Al-Queda. They love taking statements out of context, and sticking with those statements long after everyone has been informed of the true meaning, like errornous reports of which jet was just used as a missle to strike the WTC buildings. Or the Al-Queda members who twist the Muslim belief that you get blessed only when murdering armed enemies on the battlefield, to include random innocent bystanders. I'd love to see the war draft introduced again, for all of 5 seconds or so, just long enough to get these guys shipped overseas to help the battle. Perhaps then they'll see the hate which caused those attacks, head on. Or at the very least, they'd be better as cannon fodder than any of the soldiers currently serving there. Also Gravy, thanks for highlighting again the intellect behind the Loose Change videos. Your stomach is much stronger than mine is.
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18th June 2006, 06:49 PM	#35
SRW Master Poster Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,721	I cannot believe I read the whole thing. I took the better part of the afternoon because I had to go outside and kill things to keep sane,(weeds and bugs in the garden). Great job and you have my sympathy for having to sift through all that B.S. I have been talking to a bunch of loonies about these things and your info is invaluable to debunking their questions. Which is weird; they never make statements only ask questions.
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