Loose Change - Part III

Darat · 19th June 2006, 12:10 AM

Part I can be found here:http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53102
Part II can be found here:http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=57424

XXX · 19th June 2006, 12:13 AM

Woo-hoo! First post in Loose Change part three! (besides the admin creation).

brodski · 19th June 2006, 12:14 AM

but loose change 3rd ed isn't even out yet!

Johnny Pixels · 19th June 2006, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by brodski

but loose change 3rd ed isn't even out yet!

Long may it rest in development hell.

a_unique_person · 19th June 2006, 03:36 AM

I want to see Loose Change 3D. With funny glasses.

brodski · 19th June 2006, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

I want to see Loose Change 3D. With funny glasses.

They had to scrap loos change 3d, they couldn't work out how to wear 3d glasses and tinfoil hats at the same time.

Johnny Pixels · 19th June 2006, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by brodski

They had to scrap loos change 3d, they couldn't work out how to wear 3d glasses and tinfoil hats at the same time.

Loos Change always makes me think of someone trying to find 20p for the toilets in Victoria Station.

hellaeon · 19th June 2006, 05:18 AM

Anything new that the saviours of our world have brought to our attention? DJ Lunacy been over to debunk gravy yet?

aggle-rithm · 19th June 2006, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by hellaeon

Anything new that the saviours of our world have brought to our attention? DJ Lunacy been over to debunk gravy yet?

Someone over there asked me if I had "coached" Gravy, based on an article I had written for Skeptic Report a few years ago. Very flattering, but...I told him it wasn't necessary, since the silliness was there for anyone to find.

azazal · 19th June 2006, 05:56 AM

Well found out something interesting Saturday. Was walking with the wife and the little one in the local park, and decided to go up to a glass case that was installed a few months ago. Been seeing it on and off for the past 2 months or so, but never took a close look. From a diatance it looked like there was a large log or something along those lines inside. Well turns out it's a support column from WTC 2 that was recoveredd in the aftermath of 9/11. It's about 6 feet long, maybe 18 inches across or so. Looking at the ends you can clearly see how the metal was twisted and torn, no sign of demo charge cut marks or thermite burn through. I will try to get some pics later this week. So looking forward to are next LC CTer claiming that the support beams were cut.

Pardalis · 19th June 2006, 07:02 AM

Nice to start fresh after Sentinel ruined the second thread with his unintelligible comments.

CurtC · 19th June 2006, 07:39 AM

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...post&p=5433102

Originally Posted by SqueakyBoom

And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies.

I'm tempted to compile a list of all the conspiracies these kids think happened, and post the list at their forum. Maybe do a poll.

The_Fire · 19th June 2006, 07:42 AM

Oh please do.....Would make an intersting way of getting banned.....

mrfreeze · 19th June 2006, 07:57 AM

Well thats one way to explain why Sylvia Browne was wrong about the miners. "They were alive when I predicted that! But Big-Mining had them killed!"

Rule8'ing disgusting.

Brainster · 19th June 2006, 08:20 AM

Over at the Looser's Forum:

Quote:

I'm still looking for the shocking post regarding the collusion of CIA, Greatful Dead, Charles Manson, SOS, etc. Someone help me out.

Okay, now that sounds like an interesting post. Anybody?

Arkan_Wolfshade · 19th June 2006, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Over at the Looser's Forum:

Okay, now that sounds like an interesting post. Anybody?

I think that was a joke CT fowlsound put together, if memory serves.

CptColumbo · 19th June 2006, 08:48 AM

Someone find me a connection between:
George W. Bush
Italian Greyhounds
Jim Lovell
Ray Romano
The Flash
Metallica
and the Corliolus Effect.

And....GO!

Belz... · 19th June 2006, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by CurtC

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...post&p=5433102

I'm tempted to compile a list of all the conspiracies these kids think happened, and post the list at their forum. Maybe do a poll.

Ed-damn it! These guys seem to think that mistakes are impossible.

The_Fire · 19th June 2006, 09:06 AM

In regards of post 17:

Thats simple:
[CT thinking cap on]
The Flash, as in the cartoon character, is in reality speaking in codes, thus enabling George W. Bush to communicate with various Illuminati chapters at the same time all over the world. Same goes for Ray Romano's lines in "Everybody Loves Raymond". This particulary coorporation came about as Ray Romano are a member of the same species of lizards as both Jim Lovell and Bush not to mention the drummer, Lars Ulrich, from Metallica. The same code also presents itself if you play Metallicas tracks backwards and count the drumbeats. And don't tell me you haven't heard the satanic messages on those tracks! Metallica is, after all, the right hand of the Antichrist also known as George W. Bush.
These codes are centered arround a sinister plot to change the weatherpatterns of the world by using the local atmospheric changes of greyhoundraces at specific time and places to influence the Corliolus Effect. Italian Greyhounds are particulary good at this due to their aerodynamic shape and speed. Don't tell me you haven't noticed how the weather changes when they have one of those races! It's so obvious!

[/CT thinking cap off]

That was....way to easy....

CptColumbo · 19th June 2006, 09:08 AM

Why didn't I see it before? It's so obvious.

Pardalis · 19th June 2006, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by The_Fire

In regards of post 17:

Thats simple:
[CT thinking cap on]
The Flash, as in the cartoon character, is in reality speaking in codes, thus enabling George W. Bush to communicate with various Illuminati chapters at the same time all over the world. Same goes for Ray Romano's lines in "Everybody Loves Raymond". This particulary coorporation came about as Ray Romano are a member of the same species of lizards as both Jim Lovell and Bush not to mention the drummer, Lars Ulrich, from Metallica. The same code also presents itself if you play Metallicas tracks backwards and count the drumbeats. And don't tell me you haven't heard the satanic messages on those tracks! Metallica is, after all, the right hand of the Antichrist also known as George W. Bush.
These codes are centered arround a sinister plot to change the weatherpatterns of the world by using the local atmospheric changes of greyhoundraces at specific time and places to influence the Corliolus Effect. Italian Greyhounds are particulary good at this due to their aerodynamic shape and speed. Don't tell me you haven't noticed how the weather changes when they have one of those races! It's so obvious!

[/CT thinking cap off]

That was....way to easy....

Woah! I didn't even think someone would actually do it! Great job!

R.Mackey · 19th June 2006, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by SqueakyBoom

And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies.

Quaid! Start the reactor! Free Mars!

Typical rubbish. "It was obvious..." "he'd been told..." (beautiful leading use of passive voice there) "I think..." "I only recently realized this..."

However, I really feel sorry for those people. Mental illness is no laughing matter.

JamesB · 19th June 2006, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Nice to start fresh after Sentinel ruined the second thread with his unintelligible comments.

I debunked him, then he disappeared.

aggle-rithm · 19th June 2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by JamesB

I debunked him, then he disappeared.

How did you do that? That'd by like trying to herd cats.

Pardalis · 19th June 2006, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by JamesB

I debunked him, then he disappeared.

What was there to debunk? Not to minimize your credit, but I still don't know what the hell he was talking about.

JamesB · 19th June 2006, 10:46 AM

LOL, he did make a few intelligible points. They were all wrong, but at least comprehensible. You are correct though, the hardest part is not debunking, it is getting them to say something comprehensible in the first place.

azazal · 19th June 2006, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

How did you do that? That'd by like trying to herd cats.

You know, I used to work for EDS, and let met tell you, herding cats is a real pain

Pardalis · 19th June 2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by JamesB

LOL, he did make a few intelligible points. They were all wrong, but at least comprehensible. You are correct though, the hardest part is not debunking, it is getting them to say something comprehensible in the first place.

Your capacity to keep up with his comments and sort through them in a conversation is all to your credit!

Gravy · 19th June 2006, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by aggle-rithm

Someone over there asked me if I had "coached" Gravy, based on an article I had written for Skeptic Report a few years ago. Very flattering, but...I told him it wasn't necessary, since the silliness was there for anyone to find.

I'm sure you'd be a great coach, aggle. I have been righting wrongs for quite some time on my own, though.

Brainster · 19th June 2006, 01:02 PM

Perhaps it was hitting a little too close to home? Killtown and Holmgren were arguing that many of the eyewitness accounts of those who saw the second plane hit the WTC weren't really eyewitnesses, so Merc the Jerk assembled a bunch of eyewitness accounts.

Of course, that's getting a little too close to the argument we raise against the Pentagon nonsense; that there are plenty of eyewitnesses who saw an airliner hit the Pentagon, so Dylan closed the thread.

Gravy · 19th June 2006, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Dylan Shuts Down "No Planes" Thread

Well, bless his tiny brain, that is truly hilarious. The idea that no planes hit the WTC is absurd, but the idea that no plane hit the Pentagon is the "truth." Yep. Makes perfect sense.

Sword_Of_Truth · 19th June 2006, 02:52 PM

Oh gawd...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56561478705121

JFK II is an incredible documentary film that totally destroys any notion of Lee Harvey Oswald being responsible for the murder of ... all » President John F. Kennedy. Packed with original and new footage, JFK II provides strong clues as to who was really behind the assassination.

This examination of the ecidence is meticulous ans well-documented. JFK II ia a criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush and establishws beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy.

EDIT: Spelling errors are unchanged from the included synopsis on google video.

sat556 · 19th June 2006, 03:05 PM

I have some questions, hope you all don't mind. I know the Loosers keep on with them.

Might I ask what the 'free-fall' thing is all about? Is this what happens during a controlled demolition?

Also, why is christophera banging on about this concrete core? What has that got to do with anything?

Finally, in this:

http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A006...sion_below.jpg

What is that poking through the top of the cloud of dust?

Gravy · 19th June 2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by sat556

I have some questions, hope you all don't mind. I know the Loosers keep on with them.

Might I ask what the 'free-fall' thing is all about? Is this what happens during a controlled demolition?

Also, why is christophera banging on about this concrete core? What has that got to do with anything?

Finally, in this:

http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A006...sion_below.jpg

What is that poking through the top of the cloud of dust?

The CTs contend that the 3 WTC buildings fell "too fast," that is, at or near the speed they would have fallen if nothing resisted their fall. Some even claim that the towers fell as fast as they would in a vacuum, i.e. true free fall. The NIST report gives CTs a little ammunition because it refers to the towers as falling at "near" free fall speed. But then NIST goes on to say that the DIFFERENCE in the actual collapse speed and free fall is accounted for by the resistance providecd by the building's structure (and by air). The CTs leave that part out. If you're talking about 2 or 3 seconds' difference, that's 20 or 30% slower than free fall, which the folks with slide rules say is within the expected range. Now, do buildings that undergo "CD" fall at "free fall" speed? No. Controlled demolitions are designed to weaken certain supporting members so that gravity can do its work, not to simulaneously remove every supporting member in the structure.

The concrete core thing is just a fantasy dreamed up by Christophera and a few others. It might have made a difference in how long the towers survived if they had concrete cores, but they didn't.

That photo shows material being ejected from the 41/42 floor mechanical levels as the building collapses. It's likely that material had an easier exit on the mechanical floors, since they had vents to the exterior.

ETA: Oh, you asked what's poking through the TOP of the dust cloud. Well, there's a piece of exterior wall sticking out near the top center of the cloud. Is that what you mean?

sat556 · 19th June 2006, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Some even claim that the towers fell as fast as they would in a vacuum, i.e. true free fall.

Now that's what I was thinking of. I couldn't figure for the life of me how even a CT could be claiming that. But apparently...

Quote:

ETA: Oh, you asked what's poking through the TOP of the dust cloud. Well, there's a piece of exterior wall sticking out near the top center of the cloud. Is that what you mean?

Ah yes, it is what I meant, and I can see it now. I was thinking it might be that spire thing.

Ta

Gravy · 19th June 2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by sat556

Now that's what I was thinking of. I couldn't figure for the life of me how even a CT could be claiming that. But apparently...

Not long ago quite a few of them were using the phrase "faster than free fall," but that seems to have died down.

Quote:

Ah yes, it is what I meant, and I can see it now. I was thinking it might be that spire thing.

Same idea. The "spire" was a tall piece of the north tower wall that survived for a few seconds. I'm always impressed by how much of the lower wall structure remained standing. That's a great example of how the tower walls differed from a traditional curtain-wall skyscraper.

DanKirby · 19th June 2006, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by SqueakyBoom

And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies.

Obviously the miners had stumbled onto a secret underground government complex, where they're busy developing all of their holographic planes, faster-than-freefall gravity generators, and mind-controlling chemtrail dispensers.

delphi_ote · 19th June 2006, 04:39 PM

Two splits?! What have I done!?

delphi_ote · 19th June 2006, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Ed-damn it! These guys seem to think that mistakes are impossible.

Unless they're made by the Bush administration.

Mr. Skinny · 19th June 2006, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by delphi_ote

Two splits?! What have I done!?

Well, you certainly created one of the longer thread(s) in forum history.

also,

- created a quasi-battleground between the JREF and Loose Change forums. In the process you created the JREF Ninja Wave.

- helped educate quite a few people as to the arguments on both sides of the discussion.

- allowed me to add "government shill" to my list of titles.

- given everyone a few pauses for serious thought (and more than a few chuckles)

All in all, it's a great thread. I just wish the DJLegacy/Gravy thread had taken off. That would have been a good read as well.

19th June 2006, 12:10 AM	#1
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19th June 2006, 12:13 AM	#2
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19th June 2006, 12:14 AM	#3
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,158	but loose change 3rd ed isn't even out yet!
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19th June 2006, 02:56 AM	#4
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19th June 2006, 03:36 AM	#5
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19th June 2006, 03:39 AM	#6
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,158	Originally Posted by a_unique_person I want to see Loose Change 3D. With funny glasses. They had to scrap loos change 3d, they couldn't work out how to wear 3d glasses and tinfoil hats at the same time.
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19th June 2006, 04:02 AM	#7
Johnny Pixels and The Electric Revolution Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,393	Originally Posted by brodski They had to scrap loos change 3d, they couldn't work out how to wear 3d glasses and tinfoil hats at the same time. Loos Change always makes me think of someone trying to find 20p for the toilets in Victoria Station.
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19th June 2006, 05:18 AM	#8
hellaeon Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: City of Burning Churches, Australia Posts: 1,493	funny glasses not needed Anything new that the saviours of our world have brought to our attention? DJ Lunacy been over to debunk gravy yet?
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19th June 2006, 05:55 AM	#9
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,298	Originally Posted by hellaeon Anything new that the saviours of our world have brought to our attention? DJ Lunacy been over to debunk gravy yet? Someone over there asked me if I had "coached" Gravy, based on an article I had written for Skeptic Report a few years ago. Very flattering, but...I told him it wasn't necessary, since the silliness was there for anyone to find.
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19th June 2006, 05:56 AM	#10
azazal Ninja Wave: Techno Ninja Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 374	Well found out something interesting Saturday. Was walking with the wife and the little one in the local park, and decided to go up to a glass case that was installed a few months ago. Been seeing it on and off for the past 2 months or so, but never took a close look. From a diatance it looked like there was a large log or something along those lines inside. Well turns out it's a support column from WTC 2 that was recoveredd in the aftermath of 9/11. It's about 6 feet long, maybe 18 inches across or so. Looking at the ends you can clearly see how the metal was twisted and torn, no sign of demo charge cut marks or thermite burn through. I will try to get some pics later this week. So looking forward to are next LC CTer claiming that the support beams were cut.
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19th June 2006, 07:02 AM	#11
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Nice to start fresh after Sentinel ruined the second thread with his unintelligible comments.

19th June 2006, 07:39 AM	#12
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,761	More offensive idiocy at the LC Forum... http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...post&p=5433102 Originally Posted by SqueakyBoom And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies. I'm tempted to compile a list of all the conspiracies these kids think happened, and post the list at their forum. Maybe do a poll.

19th June 2006, 07:42 AM	#13
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,038	Oh please do.....Would make an intersting way of getting banned.....
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19th June 2006, 07:57 AM	#14
mrfreeze Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Outside of Detroit Posts: 425	Well thats one way to explain why Sylvia Browne was wrong about the miners. "They were alive when I predicted that! But Big-Mining had them killed!" Rule8'ing disgusting.

19th June 2006, 08:20 AM	#15
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19th June 2006, 08:27 AM	#16
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	Originally Posted by Brainster Over at the Looser's Forum: Okay, now that sounds like an interesting post. Anybody? I think that was a joke CT fowlsound put together, if memory serves.
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19th June 2006, 08:48 AM	#17
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19th June 2006, 09:03 AM	#18
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,969	Originally Posted by CurtC http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...post&p=5433102 I'm tempted to compile a list of all the conspiracies these kids think happened, and post the list at their forum. Maybe do a poll. Ed-damn it! These guys seem to think that mistakes are impossible.
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19th June 2006, 09:06 AM	#19
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,038	In regards of post 17: Thats simple: [CT thinking cap on] The Flash, as in the cartoon character, is in reality speaking in codes, thus enabling George W. Bush to communicate with various Illuminati chapters at the same time all over the world. Same goes for Ray Romano's lines in "Everybody Loves Raymond". This particulary coorporation came about as Ray Romano are a member of the same species of lizards as both Jim Lovell and Bush not to mention the drummer, Lars Ulrich, from Metallica. The same code also presents itself if you play Metallicas tracks backwards and count the drumbeats. And don't tell me you haven't heard the satanic messages on those tracks! Metallica is, after all, the right hand of the Antichrist also known as George W. Bush. These codes are centered arround a sinister plot to change the weatherpatterns of the world by using the local atmospheric changes of greyhoundraces at specific time and places to influence the Corliolus Effect. Italian Greyhounds are particulary good at this due to their aerodynamic shape and speed. Don't tell me you haven't noticed how the weather changes when they have one of those races! It's so obvious! [/CT thinking cap off] That was....way to easy....
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19th June 2006, 09:08 AM	#20
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,149	Why didn't I see it before? It's so obvious.
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19th June 2006, 09:16 AM	#21
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by The_Fire In regards of post 17: Thats simple: [CT thinking cap on] The Flash, as in the cartoon character, is in reality speaking in codes, thus enabling George W. Bush to communicate with various Illuminati chapters at the same time all over the world. Same goes for Ray Romano's lines in "Everybody Loves Raymond". This particulary coorporation came about as Ray Romano are a member of the same species of lizards as both Jim Lovell and Bush not to mention the drummer, Lars Ulrich, from Metallica. The same code also presents itself if you play Metallicas tracks backwards and count the drumbeats. And don't tell me you haven't heard the satanic messages on those tracks! Metallica is, after all, the right hand of the Antichrist also known as George W. Bush. These codes are centered arround a sinister plot to change the weatherpatterns of the world by using the local atmospheric changes of greyhoundraces at specific time and places to influence the Corliolus Effect. Italian Greyhounds are particulary good at this due to their aerodynamic shape and speed. Don't tell me you haven't noticed how the weather changes when they have one of those races! It's so obvious! [/CT thinking cap off] That was....way to easy.... Woah! I didn't even think someone would actually do it! Great job!

19th June 2006, 10:16 AM	#22
R.Mackey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The armpit of L.A. Posts: 7,857	Originally Posted by SqueakyBoom And remember the Sago mine disaster? The initial reports were that the miners were alive. If you heard the testimony of the guy who first reported that they found the miners, it was obvious that he'd been told in no uncertain terms to change his story. I think they WERE alive when they found them. I think they had discovered something, or had witnessed something that the company couldn't risk them talking about, and they let them die. I only recently realized this, and I'm going to be looking into it more. I'm going to try to find some geological reports of the area to see if I can come up with any anomalies. Quaid! Start the reactor! Free Mars! Typical rubbish. "It was obvious..." "he'd been told..." (beautiful leading use of passive voice there) "I think..." "I only recently realized this..." However, I really feel sorry for those people. Mental illness is no laughing matter.

19th June 2006, 10:25 AM	#23
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,136	Quote: Nice to start fresh after Sentinel ruined the second thread with his unintelligible comments. I debunked him, then he disappeared.
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19th June 2006, 10:33 AM	#24
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,298	Originally Posted by JamesB I debunked him, then he disappeared. How did you do that? That'd by like trying to herd cats.
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19th June 2006, 10:36 AM	#25
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by JamesB I debunked him, then he disappeared. What was there to debunk? Not to minimize your credit, but I still don't know what the hell he was talking about.

19th June 2006, 10:46 AM	#26
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,136	LOL, he did make a few intelligible points. They were all wrong, but at least comprehensible. You are correct though, the hardest part is not debunking, it is getting them to say something comprehensible in the first place.
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19th June 2006, 10:50 AM	#27
azazal Ninja Wave: Techno Ninja Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 374	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm How did you do that? That'd by like trying to herd cats. You know, I used to work for EDS, and let met tell you, herding cats is a real pain
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19th June 2006, 11:11 AM	#28
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by JamesB LOL, he did make a few intelligible points. They were all wrong, but at least comprehensible. You are correct though, the hardest part is not debunking, it is getting them to say something comprehensible in the first place. Your capacity to keep up with his comments and sort through them in a conversation is all to your credit!

19th June 2006, 12:01 PM	#29
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by aggle-rithm Someone over there asked me if I had "coached" Gravy, based on an article I had written for Skeptic Report a few years ago. Very flattering, but...I told him it wasn't necessary, since the silliness was there for anyone to find. I'm sure you'd be a great coach, aggle. I have been righting wrongs for quite some time on my own, though.
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19th June 2006, 01:02 PM	#30
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,539	Dylan Shuts Down "No Planes" Thread Perhaps it was hitting a little too close to home? Killtown and Holmgren were arguing that many of the eyewitness accounts of those who saw the second plane hit the WTC weren't really eyewitnesses, so Merc the Jerk assembled a bunch of eyewitness accounts. Of course, that's getting a little too close to the argument we raise against the Pentagon nonsense; that there are plenty of eyewitnesses who saw an airliner hit the Pentagon, so Dylan closed the thread.

19th June 2006, 02:17 PM	#31
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by Brainster Dylan Shuts Down "No Planes" Thread Well, bless his tiny brain, that is truly hilarious. The idea that no planes hit the WTC is absurd, but the idea that no plane hit the Pentagon is the "truth." Yep. Makes perfect sense.
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19th June 2006, 02:52 PM	#32
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Oh gawd... http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56561478705121 JFK II is an incredible documentary film that totally destroys any notion of Lee Harvey Oswald being responsible for the murder of ... all » President John F. Kennedy. Packed with original and new footage, JFK II provides strong clues as to who was really behind the assassination. This examination of the ecidence is meticulous ans well-documented. JFK II ia a criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush and establishws beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy. EDIT: Spelling errors are unchanged from the included synopsis on google video.

19th June 2006, 03:05 PM	#33
sat556 Guest Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 553	I have some questions, hope you all don't mind. I know the Loosers keep on with them. Might I ask what the 'free-fall' thing is all about? Is this what happens during a controlled demolition? Also, why is christophera banging on about this concrete core? What has that got to do with anything? Finally, in this: http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A006...sion_below.jpg What is that poking through the top of the cloud of dust?
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19th June 2006, 03:30 PM	#34
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by sat556 I have some questions, hope you all don't mind. I know the Loosers keep on with them. Might I ask what the 'free-fall' thing is all about? Is this what happens during a controlled demolition? Also, why is christophera banging on about this concrete core? What has that got to do with anything? Finally, in this: http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A006...sion_below.jpg What is that poking through the top of the cloud of dust? The CTs contend that the 3 WTC buildings fell "too fast," that is, at or near the speed they would have fallen if nothing resisted their fall. Some even claim that the towers fell as fast as they would in a vacuum, i.e. true free fall. The NIST report gives CTs a little ammunition because it refers to the towers as falling at "near" free fall speed. But then NIST goes on to say that the DIFFERENCE in the actual collapse speed and free fall is accounted for by the resistance providecd by the building's structure (and by air). The CTs leave that part out. If you're talking about 2 or 3 seconds' difference, that's 20 or 30% slower than free fall, which the folks with slide rules say is within the expected range. Now, do buildings that undergo "CD" fall at "free fall" speed? No. Controlled demolitions are designed to weaken certain supporting members so that gravity can do its work, not to simulaneously remove every supporting member in the structure. The concrete core thing is just a fantasy dreamed up by Christophera and a few others. It might have made a difference in how long the towers survived if they had concrete cores, but they didn't. That photo shows material being ejected from the 41/42 floor mechanical levels as the building collapses. It's likely that material had an easier exit on the mechanical floors, since they had vents to the exterior. ETA: Oh, you asked what's poking through the TOP of the dust cloud. Well, there's a piece of exterior wall sticking out near the top center of the cloud. Is that what you mean?
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19th June 2006, 03:43 PM	#35
sat556 Guest Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 553	Originally Posted by Gravy Some even claim that the towers fell as fast as they would in a vacuum, i.e. true free fall. Now that's what I was thinking of. I couldn't figure for the life of me how even a CT could be claiming that. But apparently... Quote: ETA: Oh, you asked what's poking through the TOP of the dust cloud. Well, there's a piece of exterior wall sticking out near the top center of the cloud. Is that what you mean? Ah yes, it is what I meant, and I can see it now. I was thinking it might be that spire thing. Ta
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