Loose Change - Part III

[60hzxtl]

Originally Posted by DavidJames

I'm getting tired of seeing the cropped photo of that poor lady in one of the towers clinging to a beam in the hole created by a plane with the CT caption about how this proves there weren't any raging fires hot enough to weaken the steel.

It's disingenuous crap like this that makes me tilt towards the losers as being punk a22holes rather then simply pathetic and deluded.

You have to hear the idiots on that;

"It proves the fires were not that hot."

"It was black smoke meaning it was almost out by itself."

The factory installed sarcasm chip in me takes over at that point. . .

Point of fact, I was at that townhouse expolsion/fire on Monday - it was plenty hot and the FDNY was still knocking down little fires at 7:30 PM.

And did the FDNY turn out! Trucks from the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens, came to a fire in Manhattan.

Didn't see Sentinel there, I was going to go over and say howdy. . .

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally Posted by Hutch

...Bonus points if you guys get the reference before the Loosers do..

George Carlin?

ETA: Nope, but I wasn't that far off:

Originally Posted by George Carlin Day Calendar for September 1, 2005

The idea that if kids wear uniforms to school, it helps keep order — bad theory. And it’s not even a new idea; I first saw it in old newsreels from the 1930s, but it was hard to understand, because the narration was in German.

[Kiwiwriter]

Originally Posted by negativ

I doubt that this warrants its own separate thread, but who knows.

I've been following this along for quite a while. At first I just thought of this particular batch of CTs as rather amusingly absurd and somewhat entertaining. But now I'm finding myself actually being angered by some of the asinine crap they do their best to spread and, unlike psychics and faith healers, apparently truly believe.

They have pretty much proven that they are immune to logic, evidence, and rationality, so there's no changing their minds. To me, they are of the same ilk as holocaust deniers and religious fundamentalists. Any evidence or argument that runs counter to their dogma is denounced as propaganda from The Enemy, whether The Enemy is the The Government(tm), the Eeevil Jews, or Satan.

While it might be satisfying on a visceral level, I'm not inclined to track each and every one of them down and choke the **** out of them just to make myself feel better.

Does anyone else have this kind of reaction? How do you deal with it? Should I just breathe deeply and ridicule myself later for getting all annoyed?

Yes, when I read the garbage that LC nutters and Holocaust deniers spout, I have the same urge to smack them in the head and rub their noses in reality.

But remember, these jerks WANT us to explode...so the LC and neo-Nazi nutters can appear as normal, reasonable, logical people, while defenders of truth and fact look like demented, raving idiots.

It's all psychology and knowing which buttons to push.

[Pangea]

Originally Posted by SRW

On the Friday after 9/11 I received a phone call, as horrific as the attacks were I did not realize how personal the loss would be. We lost Dan, was the message. http://www.legacy.com/Sept11.asp?Pag...PersonId=96329.

And now these CT Mother FXXking low life scum of the earth are finding ways to excuse the hijackers. They are taking the tragedy away from the victims and trying to make it about themselves. "look at me" they shout, I am the truth, I know what really happened. Don't let your government lead you around, we have the truth and if you do not believe us you are a shill,,,neo con and a lier.

Dan died because a group of Islamic terrorists wanted to make a statement and hit America hard. They succeeded, and now these anti-semitic, or anti-government or anti-corporate, agenda driven slime balls want to make a name for themselves.

Yes there is no doubt in my mind that my government failed Dan, but it was through incompetence, institutionalized incompetence not some grand conspiracy, and even if it were a conspiracy how could anyone believe these losers could uncover anything. I am surprised if they figure out how to get their zippers down before peeing themselves.

I do not know how but slime balls need to pay for what they are doing. If you know who they are Email their employers, modified versions of this letter will be going to certain University boards of Directors. Do what ever you can to make the paranoia these pricks feel justified.

Steve

My heart breaks for your loss, Steve.
This post could have been written by my husband. He lost his cousin in the North Tower and we received the call on the Friday after the attacks as well.
When he first saw LC and later Alex Jones's Martial Law 9-11:Rise of the Police State, he was angry. It wasn't because he believed what was in those movies, but because they trampled the memory of Debra and the thousands of others who lost their lives.
Through this forum, I've shown him the work that Gravy, MarkyX, JamesB, Brainster and many others have done with TRUE respect to the lives lost on 9-11.
We thank you all for your time and tireless efforts.
*now I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy*

[Kaarjuus]

Originally Posted by Class

One of the more outrageous claims I have seen anyone make on LC.

We did not catch Saddam Hussein.

From the LC post:

Quote:

plus his own wife doesnt recognise "him" saddamn?

Apparently, the valuable news site english.pravda.ru is a valid source for them. Not surprising.

[Hutch]

Originally Posted by Brainster

Molly Ivins, describing Pat Buchanan's speech to the 1992 Republican National Convention.

Give the man a Ceegar. Molly Ivins is my very favorite Liberal curmudgdon and coined the term "President Shrub" for GW.

Props to Reginald for a very good effort.

Better go over and see if I'm still allowed to post...

[WildCat]

Originally Posted by Kaarjuus

Apparently, the valuable news site english.pravda.ru is a valid source for them. Not surprising.

You mean garlic vodka won't cure cancer and diabetes?

[c0rbin]

Originally Posted by WildCat

You mean garlic vodka won't cure cancer and diabetes?

Thats...[hic]..disappointing to [hic] hear.

[60hzxtl]

I'd say this was from the horse's mouth, but I know better:

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/

"We have to take some of the Naudet's footage out (nothing imperative). Just making it a little bit better. I can't spend too much time on it, it's already set us back considerable.

Theater distribution deals are locked and loaded, all we have to do is finish the movie. That means interviewing people, tracking down footage, licensing it, etc."


Oh, yeah, roll out that red carpet Dylan, here we go - it'll be ready in time!

Now I know where all the gold went!

[Kaarjuus]

Originally Posted by WildCat

You mean garlic vodka won't cure cancer and diabetes?

No, silly, apricot seeds cure cancer.

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by Kaarjuus

No, silly, apricot seeds cure cancer.

FOOLS! All you need is faith!

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by WildCat

You mean garlic vodka won't cure cancer and diabetes?

It does prevent sexually transmitted diseases.

Drink some of that and there's no way you're getting laid.

[CurtC]

Originally Posted by Hutch

Give the man a Ceegar. Molly Ivins is my very favorite Liberal curmudgdon and coined the term "President Shrub" for GW.

Props to Reginald for a very good effort.

I tried to find the quote that we were challenged to cite its source, but I didn't even know which quote you were discussing. Was it the "My head asplode"?

Here in Texas, we've been familiar with Molly for a while. I've been familiar with her work since she was an opinion columnist for the Dallas Times Herald, which went defunct about 15 years ago. She can be funny, but her style is kind of grating after a while.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally Posted by Hutch

Give the man a Ceegar. Molly Ivins is my very favorite Liberal curmudgdon and coined the term "President Shrub" for GW.

Props to Reginald for a very good effort.

Who?

[Brainster]

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Who?

Let me just say here that I'm an old fan of Firesign Theatre; "Everything You Know is Wrong" is terrifically apropos for this thread.

[Brainster]

Here's a hilarious post from a buddy of mine. Conservative blog, but this post is entirely non-politics.

[ktesibios]

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Who?

Well, I oughta 'fess up. Until quite recently I thought your handle was "Reginald Kcin" as well. It's the curse of the fast reader- letting neural autocomplete fill in words is handy most of the time, but it can poot on strange words the same way that most spell checkers do with proper names or odd technical terms.

[Abbyas]

Barium question for those knowledgable in chemistry:

Would we not expect Jones to find barium if thermate was presend because it's a soluble element that was washed away?

[DavidJames]

Originally Posted by Abbyas

Barium question for those knowledgable in chemistry:

Would we not expect Jones to find barium if thermate was presend because it's a soluble element that was washed away?

I responded to a huntsman comment about thermate with johndoes comments in the 9/11 denialist on "Hannity and Colmes" thread.

I can't pull myself away from the LC train wreck - keep up the good work.

[Senor_Pointy]

Originally Posted by Abbyas

Barium question for those knowledgable in chemistry:

Would we not expect Jones to find barium if thermate was presend because it's a soluble element that was washed away?

To quote Huntsman from another thread:

Originally Posted by Huntsman

Barium nitrate isn't what you'd have after the thermate went off. It'd be oxidized. You'd likely end up with Barium oxide and various other barium compounds (barium sulfate, perhaps?).

...

Frankly, you don't look for the ingredients that make up thermate, because they were involved in a multi-thousand degree fire. You look for the combustion and reaction products produced by thermate.

His argument is like claiming that a car engine can't run on gas, because no gas comes out the tailpipe.

He sums it up better than I can.

[chipmunk stew]

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...post&p=6014416

Originally Posted by johndoeX

Originally Posted by c0rbin

Originally Posted by johndoeX

lol.. corbin is afraid of boxcutters..

I am not ashamed of this. Are you not afraid of a man armed with a knife?

If hes trying to take over my ship. .and all he has is a boxcutter? Im gonna grab my crash axe and chop him up... while tossing fire extingushers to passengers. .you?

Or do you cower and say.. "Please dont cut me Mr. Big Bad Terrorist"

JDX, why don't you repeat that to the families of these men:

Flight 11--


John Ogonowski


Thomas McGuinness


Flight 77--


Charles Burlingame


David Charlebois


Flight 175--


Victor Saracini


Michael Horrocks


Flight 93--


Jason Dahl


Leroy Homer

[DavidJames]

Originally Posted by chipmunk stew

johndoeX crosses the line big time

johndoeX has been on that side of line for a while now.

He's holding hands with jenabell there, who's also cracking wiseass jokes about being afraid of boxcutters.

[Class]

JohndoeX is saying that because some of the pilots had prior military training, they would have better weapons given to them to combat against hijackers.

Now, I am not a pilot and nor do I play one on TV, but was it standard practice before 9/11 to arm pilots with military experience knives? Or is JohndoeX talking about using their hands as weapons?

[DavidJames]

Originally Posted by Class

JohndoeX is saying that because some of the pilots had prior military training, they would have better weapons given to them to combat against hijackers.

Now, I am not a pilot and nor do I play one on TV, but was it standard practice before 9/11 to arm pilots with military experience knives? Or is JohndoeX talking about using their hands as weapons?

I'm also curious if pilots of commerical jets need to be college grads?

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by John the fake pilot

If hes trying to take over my ship. .and all he has is a boxcutter? Im gonna grab my crash axe and chop him up... while tossing fire extingushers to passengers. .you?

Or do you cower and say.. "Please dont cut me Mr. Big Bad Terrorist"

What a complete and utter moron.

This guy has absolutely no idea what he's saying, or of what it means when he says it.

Might as well urinate on their graves, while he's at it.

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by Class

JohndoeX is saying that because some of the pilots had prior military training, they would have better weapons given to them to combat against hijackers.

Now, I am not a pilot and nor do I play one on TV, but was it standard practice before 9/11 to arm pilots with military experience knives? Or is JohndoeX talking about using their hands as weapons?

Anything more than their hands, and they're in danger if Claus is ever on their flight.

[c0rbin]

Fire axes and luggage are the weapons of choice.

[Mancman]

Originally Posted by WildCat

I was really joking when I posted this... but TheQuest has tied this in w/ the India train bombing, the NYC collapse and the foiled subway attack from last week.

Originally Posted by TheQuest at LC Forum

I see this as a sign of desperation on their part. With Scholars For 911 Truth's credibility and the word going out rapidly, especially with the latest edition of Vanity Fair's coverage of Loose Change, the perps feel they need to counter evry single truth revelation with some new 'terrorist' act.

Fewer and fewer buy it.

Right. The 'NWO', upon seeing their 9/11 conspiracy exposed further by Loose Change gaining a mention in a magazine, decided to blow up some trains in India and kill 200 people, to remind us all that terrorism exists. That makes sense, right? (Smashes head into desk until sight becomes blurred)

It must be incredible inside the mind of a CTer, where every new attack revolves around you and your cause. Extraordinary.

[Orb]

I posted this on another thread, but it seems kind of relative to this too. The pilots of FedEx flight 705 fought back against a guy armed with hammers, knife and a spear-gun! The hammer blows did the most damage to them, and the head injuries they received prevented them from ever piloting again.
It took 2 healthy men to restrain this nut, and they barely made it home alive. I don't thing anyone would voluntarily put themselves through that unless they were sure they would die anyway, like these guys did. Putting yourself and those around you in danger is not heroic.

[Blackadder_no]

Originally Posted by Orb

I posted this on another thread, but it seems kind of relative to this too. The pilots of FedEx flight 705 fought back against a guy armed with hammers, knife and a spear-gun! The hammer blows did the most damage to them, and the head injuries they received prevented them from ever piloting again.
It took 2 healthy men to restrain this nut, and they barely made it home alive. I don't thing anyone would voluntarily put themselves through that unless they were sure they would die anyway, like these guys did. Putting yourself and those around you in danger is not heroic.

Sounds awfully similar to what happened in Norway just a couple of years ago.
(I'd post a link, but I'm 14 posts short, so google for the keywords: kato aviation security international)

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by DavidJames

I'm also curious if pilots of commerical jets need to be college grads?

No. A next-door neighbor of mine from a few years back went through pilot training school and subsequently got hired by a Delta subsidiary. He had only a high-school degree, worked as a service manager at a car dealership, and had never flown even a private plane prior to the training school.

[The_Fire]

Just to be on the same page here, I scanned these puppies (readily available in my toolbox) with a metric scale next to them.
This is what we are talking about right?

ETA:I really don't want one of these in the vicinity of my face/vunerable places.....

[Hutch]

Originally Posted by Blackadder_no

Sounds awfully similar to what happened in Norway just a couple of years ago.
(I'd post a link, but I'm 14 posts short, so google for the keywords: kato aviation security international)

Here's an interview with the Pilot. Very lucky man--remind me not to book any flights via Narvik..

http://www.asi-mag.com/editorials/kato.htm

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally Posted by The_Fire

...This is what we are talking about right?

ETA:I really don't want one of these in the vicinity of my face/vunerable places.....

Nor these:

http://www.protecdirect.co.uk/Images...ts/stanley.jpg

http://www.no-treason.com/images/uploads/boxcut.jpg

[Mr. Skinny]

Regnad's link to the Stanley knife is more in line with what I'd think of as a boxcutter.

The pic in The Fire's post is what I'd consider a wallpaper tripper (or some use similar to that.)

[The_Fire]

See, I KNEW I was misunderstanding something.....But I still don't want a stanley knife near my main arteries......

[DavidJames]

I wish someone, who wasn't banned and wouldn't mind getting banned, would post chipmunk stew pictures of the pilots and ask John to call up some of their relatives and crack some of his jokes about how he would have responded to the threat. Actually, maybe not, that punk would probably do it knowing he could still cower away in his psycho ward and lol himself to sleep.

[Apollyon]

Weren't they supposedly plastic handled box cutters though?

In that case, The Fire's pictures would be more correct.

Nothing against the reverse Nick Danger

[Mr. Skinny]

Originally Posted by The_Fire

See, I KNEW I was misunderstanding something.....But I still don't want a stanley knife near my main arteries......

Fire, I've done a bit of do-it-yourself work, and, for me at least, a boxcutter is something that can actually cut through a heavy cardboard box (not just the sealing tape on the box). Hence the name.

I also use a boxcutter for scoring drywall, cutting insulation batts, etc. I think they are more commonly called "utility knives" these days, but I'm old enough to remember them as a "boxcutter".

Your mileage may vary, as they say.

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by Orb

I posted this on another thread, but it seems kind of relative to this too. The pilots of FedEx flight 705 fought back against a guy armed with hammers, knife and a spear-gun! The hammer blows did the most damage to them, and the head injuries they received prevented them from ever piloting again.

Quote:

He knew that his wounded crewmates could not last long against Calloway, so he assisted the only way he could. He pulled the control yoke all the way back to his chest, and rolled it to the left.

The DC-10 was executing a barrel-roll at nearly 400 miles per hour—something the aircraft had never been designed to do...the three struggling men were tossed about the galley area, alternately weightless and pressed upon by three times their weight in G forces. By now, the aircraft was inverted at 19,700 feet...

...Tucker initiated a series of wild maneuvers...Tucker abruptly threw the yoke forward, and sent the plane into a vertical dive...The diving DC-10 accelerated past 500 miles per hour, then past the instruments’ capacity to register. Flight 705 was now traveling faster than any DC-10 had ever gone, and was undergoing velocity stresses that the airframe could not sustain...

...Somehow, Tucker pulled from the dive, then reached across the yoke with his left hand to cut speed. At last he grabbed a radio headset and called Memphis.

But... that can't be! The plane won't ALLOW pilots to do that, right? I mean... it just can't happen!



Reality has this nasty habit of demolishing every CT claim.

-Andrew