North Korea Pics...

Overman · 19th June 2006, 12:14 PM

This is just a link to another thread...I found these pics very interesting....I figured a couple of you would too.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=82755

Charlie Monoxide · 19th June 2006, 12:41 PM

Awesome photos....

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geni · 19th June 2006, 12:41 PM

Interesting the photographer has manged to get more photos that he shouldn't have been able to than other photo eseys I've seen.

Almo · 19th June 2006, 01:48 PM

Wow... that was impressive. In case you missed it, there are more on the second page of the thread.

headscratcher4 · 19th June 2006, 01:57 PM

These photos are great...very extensive and quite interesting...Thanks for the link.

CFLarsen · 19th June 2006, 02:21 PM

Absolutely fascinating.

Skeptic · 19th June 2006, 02:49 PM

This is what blogging is for.

roger · 19th June 2006, 03:04 PM

I love it. This is what I want the internet to be - a portal to other places.

gnome · 19th June 2006, 03:26 PM

I think my favorite was the bronze statue... though it also makes me sad... what a perfect representation of the broken promise of Communism.

BPSCG · 19th June 2006, 03:44 PM

Enjoyed one question he had there: Why are the roads in good shape in the communist country but sh!++y in the communist one?

Um, could it be because there aren't any cars in NK to cause any wear and tear on the roads?

WildCat · 19th June 2006, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Enjoyed one question he had there: Why are the roads in good shape in the communist country but sh!++y in the communist one?

I think you have that backwards...

Tony · 19th June 2006, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

I think you have that backwards...

He does. Hit right-wing paranoia is making him see the evil commie boogy-man. What it really says:

Quote:

One mystery remains, how comme under capitalism the roads are good and under communism sh*tty.

patchbunny · 19th June 2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Enjoyed one question he had there: Why are the roads in good shape in the communist country but sh!++y in the communist one?

Um, could it be because there aren't any cars in NK to cause any wear and tear on the roads?

That's the only time I've seen a 4-lane freeway with no cars that wasn't under construction. It's spooky.

BPSCG · 20th June 2006, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Tony

He does. Hit right-wing paranoia is making him see the evil commie boogy-man. What it really says:

Tony, you're a piece of work, you are; I wish I knew who invented you.

It's not possible I misread something and screwed up a post as a result. No, it's because of my "right-wing paranoia."

Speaking of seeing bogey men... Get a grip.

Q-Source · 20th June 2006, 04:33 AM

Fascinating pictures. It reminds me the first time I went to Cuba. Literally a country frozen in time (in especific, the fifties), everything looked perfect, socialist banners around the city, big buildings and statues and privileges for tourists.
The isolation of NK makes its situation worse. It is a shame that not even this guy (as it seems) managed to talk to people on the street.

geni · 20th June 2006, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Q-Source

Fascinating pictures. It reminds me the first time I went to Cuba. Literally a country frozen in time (in especific, the fifties), everything looked perfect, socialist banners around the city, big buildings and statues and privileges for tourists.
The isolation of NK makes its situation worse. It is a shame that not even this guy (as it seems) managed to talk to people on the street.

I did run across an diary from someone who spoke korean who tried that. Didn't work.

PogoPedant · 20th June 2006, 05:39 AM

Reminds me of an old joke. It's not very good, but I'll post it anyway.

A western journalist is allowed behind the iron curtain for one brief visit, and decides to interview and old Russian lady. The journalist has heard a lot of bad stuff about the life in the Sovjet Union, so he goes straight for the tough stuff:

(J)ournalist : Dear lady, I have heard about the long bread-queues here in Russia. What do you think about the long lines just to get food?

(B)abushka : Well, you can't complain.

(J) : Oh, well, how about the lack of modern commodities? It seems you lack even the most basic items like shoes?

(B) : Yeah? Well, you can't complain.

(J) : Really? What about the freedoms enjoyed by westerners? You do not have many freedoms here in the Sovjet Union.

(B) : True, but you can't complain.

(J) : This surprises me. I had heard much bad about the Sovjet Union before I came here. Is there really nothing that upsets you?

(B) : Well, you can't complain.

Just thinking · 20th June 2006, 06:01 AM

For many a part, the world is not a nice place.

headscratcher4 · 20th June 2006, 06:07 AM

I think the roads are in good shape (such as you can see) not just because there is no motorist wear and tear...my guess is that most of the roads that they use to transport "tourists" (such as they are) also are strategic roads...i.e. if they had to move troops and do so quickly, those are the roads they would use...they're big enough to move tanks down, etc. Just speculating here...

Cleon · 20th June 2006, 09:19 AM

Fascinating. I'd love to visit the DPRK sometime; if nothing else, just for the surreal aspect of it all.

Honestly, it didn't seem to me that (physically) the country was in any worse shape than what I saw in Colombia several years ago.

roger · 20th June 2006, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Honestly, it didn't seem to me that (physically) the country was in any worse shape than what I saw in Colombia several years ago.

Agree, I was thinking that generally the living conditions looked as good or better than I saw in the countryside of Ecuador or Peru, not to mention Nepal. On the other hand, there's a big difference between a no inner walls, no running water home in the middle of the Peruvian desert, and one in the middle of a nation's capital, surrounded by high rises.

Overman · 20th June 2006, 12:34 PM

Just sad...

What conditions do you guys speculate would create a cultural revolution in NK? Do you think anyone in there can do that by themselves or would it take severe influence from other countries??

Grammatron · 20th June 2006, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by geni

I did run across an diary from someone who spoke korean who tried that. Didn't work.

Can you elaborate a bit? Sounds very interesting.

Cleon · 20th June 2006, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Overman

What conditions do you guys speculate would create a cultural revolution in NK?

Well, they tried the "Cultural Revolution" bit in China. The results were interesting, but IIRC the process was rather painful.

geni · 20th June 2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Grammatron

Can you elaborate a bit? Sounds very interesting.

He tried talking to various groups he ran across. School kids smiled and stayed silent. Dito the teachers. The only interesting group were the tour guides for the monuments (the set up appears to assume that visitors would not speak korean). He managed to get one of them on her own and she was interested in asking questions about the outside world. Can't find the link.

geni · 20th June 2006, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by geni

Can't find the link.

Found it:

http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip1.htm~mainframe

Converstion with the women is about 4/5ths of the way down this page

http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip3.htm~mainframe

Grammatron · 20th June 2006, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by geni

He tried talking to various groups he ran across. School kids smiled and stayed silent. Dito the teachers. The only interesting group were the tour guides for the monuments (the set up appears to assume that visitors would not speak korean). He managed to get one of them on her own and she was interested in asking questions about the outside world. Can't find the link.

Let me know if you do.

Overman · 21st June 2006, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by geni

Found it:

http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip1.htm~mainframe

Converstion with the women is about 4/5ths of the way down this page

http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip3.htm~mainframe

So happy to hear about this woman...I wondered if the people felt like this...

geni · 21st June 2006, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Overman

So happy to hear about this woman...I wondered if the people felt like this...

They don't.remeber she's an oditiy she's had some contact with the outside world.

headscratcher4 · 21st June 2006, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by geni

Found it:

http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip1.htm~mainframe

Converstion with the women is about 4/5ths of the way down this page

http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip3.htm~mainframe

Thanks for sharing this...it was facinating and utterly depressing. Eric Blair called it...

Luke T. · 21st June 2006, 11:38 AM

Another good informal tour of NK with photos here.

This has always been my favorite photo of NK.

19th June 2006, 12:14 PM	#1
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19th June 2006, 01:57 PM	#5
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	These photos are great...very extensive and quite interesting...Thanks for the link.
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19th June 2006, 12:41 PM	#3
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,575	Interesting the photographer has manged to get more photos that he shouldn't have been able to than other photo eseys I've seen.

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19th June 2006, 03:26 PM	#9
gnome Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,873	I think my favorite was the bronze statue... though it also makes me sad... what a perfect representation of the broken promise of Communism.
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BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Enjoyed one question he had there: Why are the roads in good shape in the communist country but sh!++y in the communist one? Um, could it be because there aren't any cars in NK to cause any wear and tear on the roads?
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WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,106	Originally Posted by BPSCG Enjoyed one question he had there: Why are the roads in good shape in the communist country but sh!++y in the communist one? I think you have that backwards...

19th June 2006, 04:27 PM	#12
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,767	Originally Posted by WildCat I think you have that backwards... He does. Hit right-wing paranoia is making him see the evil commie boogy-man. What it really says: Quote: One mystery remains, how comme under capitalism the roads are good and under communism sh*tty.
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19th June 2006, 04:31 PM	#13
patchbunny Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: Right about... here. Posts: 1,553	Originally Posted by BPSCG Enjoyed one question he had there: Why are the roads in good shape in the communist country but sh!++y in the communist one? Um, could it be because there aren't any cars in NK to cause any wear and tear on the roads? That's the only time I've seen a 4-lane freeway with no cars that wasn't under construction. It's spooky.
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20th June 2006, 03:51 AM	#14
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Tony He does. Hit right-wing paranoia is making him see the evil commie boogy-man. What it really says: Tony, you're a piece of work, you are; I wish I knew who invented you. It's not possible I misread something and screwed up a post as a result. No, it's because of my "right-wing paranoia." Speaking of seeing bogey men... Get a grip.
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20th June 2006, 04:33 AM	#15
Q-Source Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,268	Fascinating pictures. It reminds me the first time I went to Cuba. Literally a country frozen in time (in especific, the fifties), everything looked perfect, socialist banners around the city, big buildings and statues and privileges for tourists. The isolation of NK makes its situation worse. It is a shame that not even this guy (as it seems) managed to talk to people on the street.
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20th June 2006, 04:56 AM	#16
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,575	Originally Posted by Q-Source Fascinating pictures. It reminds me the first time I went to Cuba. Literally a country frozen in time (in especific, the fifties), everything looked perfect, socialist banners around the city, big buildings and statues and privileges for tourists. The isolation of NK makes its situation worse. It is a shame that not even this guy (as it seems) managed to talk to people on the street. I did run across an diary from someone who spoke korean who tried that. Didn't work.

20th June 2006, 05:39 AM	#17
PogoPedant Muse Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 764	Reminds me of an old joke. It's not very good, but I'll post it anyway. A western journalist is allowed behind the iron curtain for one brief visit, and decides to interview and old Russian lady. The journalist has heard a lot of bad stuff about the life in the Sovjet Union, so he goes straight for the tough stuff: (J)ournalist : Dear lady, I have heard about the long bread-queues here in Russia. What do you think about the long lines just to get food? (B)abushka : Well, you can't complain. (J) : Oh, well, how about the lack of modern commodities? It seems you lack even the most basic items like shoes? (B) : Yeah? Well, you can't complain. (J) : Really? What about the freedoms enjoyed by westerners? You do not have many freedoms here in the Sovjet Union. (B) : True, but you can't complain. (J) : This surprises me. I had heard much bad about the Sovjet Union before I came here. Is there really nothing that upsets you? (B) : Well, you can't complain.
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headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	I think the roads are in good shape (such as you can see) not just because there is no motorist wear and tear...my guess is that most of the roads that they use to transport "tourists" (such as they are) also are strategic roads...i.e. if they had to move troops and do so quickly, those are the roads they would use...they're big enough to move tanks down, etc. Just speculating here...
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20th June 2006, 09:19 AM	#20
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,534	Fascinating. I'd love to visit the DPRK sometime; if nothing else, just for the surreal aspect of it all. Honestly, it didn't seem to me that (physically) the country was in any worse shape than what I saw in Colombia several years ago.
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20th June 2006, 09:33 AM	#21
roger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 11,021	Originally Posted by Cleon Honestly, it didn't seem to me that (physically) the country was in any worse shape than what I saw in Colombia several years ago. Agree, I was thinking that generally the living conditions looked as good or better than I saw in the countryside of Ecuador or Peru, not to mention Nepal. On the other hand, there's a big difference between a no inner walls, no running water home in the middle of the Peruvian desert, and one in the middle of a nation's capital, surrounded by high rises.

20th June 2006, 12:34 PM	#22
Overman Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 2,630	Just sad... What conditions do you guys speculate would create a cultural revolution in NK? Do you think anyone in there can do that by themselves or would it take severe influence from other countries??
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20th June 2006, 12:37 PM	#23
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by geni I did run across an diary from someone who spoke korean who tried that. Didn't work. Can you elaborate a bit? Sounds very interesting.
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20th June 2006, 12:46 PM	#24
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,534	Originally Posted by Overman What conditions do you guys speculate would create a cultural revolution in NK? Well, they tried the "Cultural Revolution" bit in China. The results were interesting, but IIRC the process was rather painful.
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20th June 2006, 12:55 PM	#25
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,575	Originally Posted by Grammatron Can you elaborate a bit? Sounds very interesting. He tried talking to various groups he ran across. School kids smiled and stayed silent. Dito the teachers. The only interesting group were the tour guides for the monuments (the set up appears to assume that visitors would not speak korean). He managed to get one of them on her own and she was interested in asking questions about the outside world. Can't find the link.

20th June 2006, 01:01 PM	#26
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,575	Originally Posted by geni Can't find the link. Found it: http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip1.htm~mainframe Converstion with the women is about 4/5ths of the way down this page http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip3.htm~mainframe

20th June 2006, 01:01 PM	#27
Grammatron Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,446	Originally Posted by geni He tried talking to various groups he ran across. School kids smiled and stayed silent. Dito the teachers. The only interesting group were the tour guides for the monuments (the set up appears to assume that visitors would not speak korean). He managed to get one of them on her own and she was interested in asking questions about the outside world. Can't find the link. Let me know if you do.
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21st June 2006, 06:23 AM	#28
Overman Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 2,630	Brains Originally Posted by geni Found it: http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip1.htm~mainframe Converstion with the women is about 4/5ths of the way down this page http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip3.htm~mainframe So happy to hear about this woman...I wondered if the people felt like this...
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21st June 2006, 07:52 AM	#29
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,575	Originally Posted by Overman So happy to hear about this woman...I wondered if the people felt like this... They don't.remeber she's an oditiy she's had some contact with the outside world.

21st June 2006, 10:24 AM	#30
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Originally Posted by geni Found it: http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip1.htm~mainframe Converstion with the women is about 4/5ths of the way down this page http://1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip3.htm~mainframe Thanks for sharing this...it was facinating and utterly depressing. Eric Blair called it...
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21st June 2006, 11:38 AM	#31
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Another good informal tour of NK with photos here. This has always been my favorite photo of NK.
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