Dual reality?

fabian_lidman · 29th June 2006, 12:43 PM

I'm becoming pretty good -- almost Harry Potter good -- at basic sleight-of-hand and misdirection routines. Now i would like to go one step further.
I often see references to the "dual reality" principle. What's that? Can anyone give me an example, without spoiling any magic secret?

Cheers in advance.

Azrael 5 · 29th June 2006, 03:21 PM

Derren Brown does a lot of dual reality effects.Its basically the spectator experiencing something different to what it appears.
He has two spectators stood behind one another,one behind raises his arm and the one seated's arm lifts seemingly just by this unseen action.Except spectator seated in front knows why his arm raises!

fabian_lidman · 29th June 2006, 04:11 PM

So dual reality means that i do one thing but make everyone believe i'm doing something else (inelegantly stated)?
I'll make up an example to see if i understand it correctly. I bring out a cigarette (really a chocolate-filled cigarette), light it up (actually using a palmed flashlight for effect), inhale and blow out some smoke (that comes from palmed cartridge), then look at the cigarette and suddenly bite off a chunk of it. Would that be dual reality? To me that just seems like good old deception.

Dark Jaguar · 29th June 2006, 04:36 PM

It seems like duel reality involves two groups of spectators seeing two different things, like one group is "in" on the illusion and the other is not. Problem is, that description of two being seated is not clear at all to me. I'm not entirely sure what's being said.

fabian_lidman · 29th June 2006, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Jaguar

Problem is, that description of two being seated is not clear at all to me. I'm not entirely sure what's being said.

Me neither, but i assumed that it's because i'm foreign.

Dark Jaguar · 29th June 2006, 05:47 PM

Coudn't tell to read what you've typed. You seem to have a good grasp of the language.

Azrael 5 · 30th June 2006, 10:11 AM

Only one is seated(actually two if you count performer)the other is stood behind the first.

fabian_lidman · 4th July 2006, 08:46 AM

I found Derren Brown's book of mentalist effects, and it contains a few dual reality tricks. Very clever indeed!

29th June 2006, 12:43 PM	#1
fabian_lidman Scholar Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Posts: 99	Dual reality? I'm becoming pretty good -- almost Harry Potter good -- at basic sleight-of-hand and misdirection routines. Now i would like to go one step further. I often see references to the "dual reality" principle. What's that? Can anyone give me an example, without spoiling any magic secret? Cheers in advance.

29th June 2006, 03:21 PM	#2
Azrael 5 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 4,219	Derren Brown does a lot of dual reality effects.Its basically the spectator experiencing something different to what it appears. He has two spectators stood behind one another,one behind raises his arm and the one seated's arm lifts seemingly just by this unseen action.Except spectator seated in front knows why his arm raises!
	__________________ "I achieve these results through a mixture of magic,misdirection,suggestion and showmanship"-Derren Brown Photography here

30th June 2006, 10:11 AM	#7
Azrael 5 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 4,219	Only one is seated(actually two if you count performer)the other is stood behind the first.
	__________________ "I achieve these results through a mixture of magic,misdirection,suggestion and showmanship"-Derren Brown Photography here

29th June 2006, 04:11 PM	#3
fabian_lidman Scholar Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Posts: 99	So dual reality means that i do one thing but make everyone believe i'm doing something else (inelegantly stated)? I'll make up an example to see if i understand it correctly. I bring out a cigarette (really a chocolate-filled cigarette), light it up (actually using a palmed flashlight for effect), inhale and blow out some smoke (that comes from palmed cartridge), then look at the cigarette and suddenly bite off a chunk of it. Would that be dual reality? To me that just seems like good old deception.

29th June 2006, 04:36 PM	#4
Dark Jaguar Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,666	It seems like duel reality involves two groups of spectators seeing two different things, like one group is "in" on the illusion and the other is not. Problem is, that description of two being seated is not clear at all to me. I'm not entirely sure what's being said.

29th June 2006, 04:45 PM	#5
fabian_lidman Scholar Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Posts: 99	Originally Posted by Dark Jaguar Problem is, that description of two being seated is not clear at all to me. I'm not entirely sure what's being said. Me neither, but i assumed that it's because i'm foreign.

29th June 2006, 05:47 PM	#6
Dark Jaguar Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,666	Coudn't tell to read what you've typed. You seem to have a good grasp of the language.

4th July 2006, 08:46 AM	#8
fabian_lidman Scholar Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden Posts: 99	I found Derren Brown's book of mentalist effects, and it contains a few dual reality tricks. Very clever indeed!