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Old 11th July 2006, 02:35 PM   #1
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9/11 denialist on "Hannity and Colmes"

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2006/07...n-hannity.html
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Old 11th July 2006, 03:27 PM   #2
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This guy is thick. Accusing Fox, on the air, of spouting venim to the world.

What a **ick.
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Old 11th July 2006, 03:38 PM   #3
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He thinks the attacks in Madrid, London, Bali and all the suicide bombings in Iraq are all false flags too. What a surprise! (Not)
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Old 11th July 2006, 03:40 PM   #4
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How's this for a conspiracy theory?
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Old 11th July 2006, 03:45 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Pardalis View Post
This guy is thick. Accusing Fox, on the air, of spouting venim to the world.

What a **ick.
I cant say I disagree with that. Fox News is the worst cable news network in America.

Hannity ripped that guy a new one. Im one his side for once.
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Old 11th July 2006, 04:04 PM   #6
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Hannity has a tendency to bring lightweights on his show to make himself look good. During the Cal governor recall, he had Gary Coleman on, and proceeded to hit him with all these big political issues (Coleman was on the ballot).

Of course, no one legitimate took Gary Coleman seriously in the first place and wouldn't waste their time. But Hannity really showed him! Great, Sean, you are so clever. Be sure to put it on your resume ("More politically savvy than Gary Coleman")

He's like the 6th grader who likes to prove how tough he is by beating up 3rd graders. But when the 8th graders show up...
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Old 11th July 2006, 04:06 PM   #7
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I cant say I disagree with that. Fox News is the worst cable news network in America.

Hannity ripped that guy a new one. Im one his side for once.
FOX news is bad for one reason, its known to be verry biased from a conservative viewpoint... which makes networks like NBC seem more credible to the general public

peoples distrust for FOX may lead to them believing something false reported by a rival network
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Old 11th July 2006, 08:49 PM   #8
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Here's a link to the Youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIe8YUw300

The guy is U. of Wisconsin instructor Kevin Barrett. He converted to Islam in 1992. Here are some choice quotes from that clip. I've bolded a couple of interesting words.

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1:05 I am convinced that 9/11 was, in fact, an inside job...I'm interested in training people how to use critical thinking skills to look at the evidence in any area and come to their own conclusions.

2:10 In the classroom I always present things in a fair and balanced manner. Outside of the classroom, when I'm an activist or a satirist, I'll tell it like it is.

2:45 I do know--I don't believe--that 9/11 was an inside job.

3:44 It's a question of science...You think it was 19 guys with boxcutters led by a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan? That's ridiculous. That's the craziest conspiracy theory of all of them.
To revise an old saying, a nut can use the words "critical thinking" and "science" for his own purposes.
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Old 11th July 2006, 09:16 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Nate Whilk View Post
Here's a link to the Youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hIe8YUw300

The guy is U. of Wisconsin instructor Kevin Barrett. He converted to Islam in 1992. Here are some choice quotes from that clip. I've bolded a couple of interesting words.

To revise an old saying, a nut can use the words "critical thinking" and "science" for his own purposes.
Jim Fetzer TEACHES critical thinking.
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Old 11th July 2006, 09:27 PM   #10
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Another example of why these kinds of topics can't be properly debated on just any forum. Podcasts also come to mind, for some reason.
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Old 11th July 2006, 10:22 PM   #11
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This guy's creepy. Way more lucid than Fetzer or the Loose Changers.

And Hannity doesn't bother to ask him for evidence, or challenge him on anything. He just sits there and lamely insults him! Pathetic.
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Old 11th July 2006, 11:16 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Axiom_Blade View Post
This guy's creepy. Way more lucid than Fetzer or the Loose Changers.

And Hannity doesn't bother to ask him for evidence, or challenge him on anything. He just sits there and lamely insults him! Pathetic.
There was the residue of thermite- I'm not a 9/11 conspiracy buff, could someone who knows more than I do let me know how that's debunked, or whether the finding was questionable in the first place?
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Old 11th July 2006, 11:28 PM   #13
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The "thermite residue" conclusion is just based on the presence of sulphur in the steel. It's suspect because there wasn't the corresponding aluminum oxide or pure iron you'd expect to accompany the sulfur, and the sulphur is much more easily explained by the huge amount of gypsum sheetrock in the towers.

At least that's what I've heard.
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Old 12th July 2006, 04:56 AM   #14
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Not to mention thermite is a really dumb way of demolishing a building...

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Old 12th July 2006, 05:06 AM   #15
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Not to mention thermite is a really dumb way of demolishing a building...

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Especially a building as big as the WTC. I would think that would take a hell of a lot of thermite.

Also, there are no explosions with thermite. So someone rambling about squibs and loud booms that day can't also ramble about thermite.
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Old 12th July 2006, 05:08 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote View Post
Especially a building as big as the WTC. I would think that would take a hell of a lot of thermite.

Also, there are no explosions with thermite. So someone rambling about squibs and loud booms that day can't also ramble about thermite.

Isn't failure of internal logic a beautiful thing?

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Old 12th July 2006, 06:04 AM   #17
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I think the same person was discussed on O'Relilly last night as well.

Minor derail as to Fox News Bashing: All news outlets are staffed by humans and are therefore biased. As the news consumer you have to make up your own mind. The news outlets are there to sell advertising not deliver same sacred unbiased truth.

Of course you as the viewer are human and therefore also biased in your interpratation of what is presented.
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Old 12th July 2006, 07:01 AM   #18
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There was the residue of thermite- I'm not a 9/11 conspiracy buff, could someone who knows more than I do let me know how that's debunked, or whether the finding was questionable in the first place?
Just to add to the explanations already given, only 3% of thermate is composed of sulphur (with none in thermite). And, contrary to assertions, the sulphur is not an enhancer. There's a barium compund (barium nitrate, IIRC) that's the actual enhancer, and makes up about 20 to 30% of thermate. You'd also expect to see residue from this.
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Unfortunately, none of the students who attend this class will be presented with the overwhelming evidence which completely debunks 9/11 conspiracy theories.
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Old 12th July 2006, 07:54 AM   #20
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Unfortunately, none of the students who attend this class will be presented with the overwhelming evidence which completely debunks 9/11 conspiracy theories.
But Barrett promised to give them both sides of the story.

I can't for the life of me understand why you don't believe him
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Originally Posted by Senor_Pointy View Post
The "thermite residue" conclusion is just based on the presence of sulphur in the steel. It's suspect because there wasn't the corresponding aluminum oxide or pure iron you'd expect to accompany the sulfur, and the sulphur is much more easily explained by the huge amount of gypsum sheetrock in the towers.

At least that's what I've heard.
That's correct. The only thing I would add is that there are other potential sources of sulfur apart from the wallboard that have not been ruled out. The wallboard is just the most obvious and most plentiful source.

Also, see Huntsman's post for the other compounds you'd expect to find in addition to the sulfur, if you were really at evidence of thermate.
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That's correct. The only thing I would add is that there are other potential sources of sulfur apart from the wallboard that have not been ruled out. The wallboard is just the most obvious and most plentiful source.

Also, see Huntsman's post for the other compounds you'd expect to find in addition to the sulfur, if you were really at evidence of thermate.
I quoted Huntsman's comments in the termite thread, no real responses.
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Jim Fetzer TEACHES critical thinking.
You'd think someone thinks his expertise gives him WAY too much authority on the matter.

Kinda like a psychology teacher of mine who chimed for a few hours on the reality of subliminal messages and advertisement.
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote View Post
Especially a building as big as the WTC. I would think that would take a hell of a lot of thermite.

Also, there are no explosions with thermite. So someone rambling about squibs and loud booms that day can't also ramble about thermite.
Doesn't thermite kinda just "eat" through metal, producing a fair amount of sparks ?

Well, kinda looked that way in the video I saw.

ETA: And is it "thermite" or "thermate" ? Huntsman's confusing me.
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Doesn't thermite kinda just "eat" through metal, producing a fair amount of sparks ?

Well, kinda looked that way in the video I saw.

ETA: And is it "thermite" or "thermate" ? Huntsman's confusing me.
Thermate is thermite with sulfer and/or barium nitrate added iirc.
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Hannity has a tendency to bring lightweights on his show to make himself look good. During the Cal governor recall, he had Gary Coleman on, and proceeded to hit him with all these big political issues (Coleman was on the ballot).

Of course, no one legitimate took Gary Coleman seriously in the first place and wouldn't waste their time. But Hannity really showed him! Great, Sean, you are so clever. Be sure to put it on your resume ("More politically savvy than Gary Coleman")

He's like the 6th grader who likes to prove how tough he is by beating up 3rd graders. But when the 8th graders show up...
He was the only guy with the stature for the job...after you consider previous occupants Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown.
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Arkan, is your avatar a ninja Larry David?
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Arkan, is your avatar a ninja Larry David?
Nope. It is Lee Van Cleef from the TV series "The Master"
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Minor derail as to Fox News Bashing: All news outlets are staffed by humans and are therefore biased. As the news consumer you have to make up your own mind. The news outlets are there to sell advertising not deliver same sacred unbiased truth.
I always found it extremely amusing when Fox News fans called CNN a leftist channel. And then I realized that from their point of view, this is actually correct. When you are on the far right, then everything else is to the left.
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ETA: And is it "thermite" or "thermate" ? Huntsman's confusing me.

I still say it was Termites.
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I still say it was Termites.
No, it was Hermits.
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I still say it was Termites.
If you feed Sulphur to Termites do they become Termates?
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(Cold) Reading Skills - Are Our Children Learning?

In elementary school, we read literature and examined why each character did what and why. After months of this, and more complex situations, motives and themes were investigated in other books, you noticed people and events were more easily sized-up - and in some cases easy to predict their outcomes. Your interpretation never fell far from the consenus in class either. It was true, life made a comforting deal of sense. Looking back, I would have never guessed that a decade later, it would be such a rare life skill in American society. With that said, a lot of teachers around this country must feel like failures today. Sadly, the more it becomes evident the Iraq invasion was in actuality, pre-planned, when you consider the loss of life, this administration's mounting criminal record, you arrive at two hard, sweeping questions:

1) Would they orchestrate the murder of American citizens as a stepping stone to dominating the middle east?

2) Bush has used the attacks incessantly to justify all his actions, and still does. This was, and still is, odd, moreso as it becomes concrete that it was simply illegal. If that really wasn't why Iraq was invaded, what was. Also, what is the underlying reason the attacks are so important. How does the evidence that "the attack were just a cooincidence" against "the attacks were part of a larger plan" stack up.

Saying "no" at this point is being willfully ignorant. The theory of the world trade center attack being a controlled demolition may have little to stand on (no pun intended), but this hardly means this level of speculation isn't warranted.

Extraordinary criminal versatility requires extraordinary big jumps to conclusions.
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In elementary school, we read literature and examined why each character did what and why. After months of this, and more complex situations, motives and themes were investigated in other books, you noticed people and events were more easily sized-up - and in some cases easy to predict their outcomes. Your interpretation never fell far from the consenus in class either. It was true, life made a comforting deal of sense. Looking back, I would have never guessed that a decade later, it would be such a rare life skill in American society. With that said, a lot of teachers around this country must feel like failures today. Sadly, the more it becomes evident the Iraq invasion was in actuality, pre-planned, when you consider the loss of life, this administration's mounting criminal record, you arrive at two hard, sweeping questions:

1) Would they orchestrate the murder of American citizens as a stepping stone to dominating the middle east?

2) Bush has used the attacks incessantly to justify all his actions, and still does. This was, and still is, odd, moreso as it becomes concrete that it was simply illegal. If that really wasn't why Iraq was invaded, what was. Also, what is the underlying reason the attacks are so important. How does the evidence that "the attack were just a cooincidence" against "the attacks were part of a larger plan" stack up.

Saying "no" at this point is being willfully ignorant. The theory of the world trade center attack being a controlled demolition may have little to stand on (no pun intended), but this hardly means this level of speculation isn't warranted.

Extraordinary criminal versatility requires extraordinary big jumps to conclusions.
I guess you didn't progress beyond elementary school to make so many fallacies in one post.
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Old 12th July 2006, 01:13 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by Pardalis View Post
I guess you didn't progress beyond elementary school to make so many fallacies in one post.
Now that's not nice. In defense of SirPhilip, those conditions do warrant speculation.

Enough speculation to realize all available evidence points to the official conclusion.
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Old 12th July 2006, 01:14 PM   #37
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Thermate is thermite with sulfer and/or barium nitrate added iirc.
AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

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Originally Posted by Arkan_Wolfshade View Post
Nope. It is Lee Van Cleef from the TV series "The Master"

NEAT! Between Bob_Kark's Eli Wallach, your Lee Van Cleef and another poster's Clint Eastwood, we have the entire trio!!
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NEAT! Between Bob_Kark's Eli Wallach, your Lee Van Cleef and another poster's Clint Eastwood, we have the entire trio!!

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.. why does that sound like it would fit as the title for a "debate" with 9/11 CT nutcases??
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Originally Posted by Arkan_Wolfshade View Post
Thermate is thermite with sulfer and/or barium nitrate added iirc.
Just to be pendantic, Thermate is the specific name for the formulation used by the U.S. military, and is composed of thermite (68.7%), barium nitrate (29%), sulphur (2%), and fillers (0.3%). It is used as an incendiary device (the Barium nitrate increases the incendiary effect) and can be used for welding.

Thermite, buy itself, has a small radius of effect and burns with little flame. Thermate is specially formulated to increases the flame and burn radius.
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