Margery Wakefield, Scientology

Almo · 26th July 2006, 05:01 PM

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/

I just read this. Since finishing it, this is my first visit to this board. It feels like a safe place. Scientology is truly scary.

I have a question about this:

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_m.../wakefrpf.html

If this is Wakefield's real affadavit, why does it say she went to Wisconsin when she was offloaded, and not Detroit as it says in the story linked at the start of this post?

It's not terribly important; I'm just curious.

Ryokan · 26th July 2006, 05:19 PM

Scientology is vile, but I don't think it's that vile.

I think she's making stuff up.

ETA:

Originally Posted by Almo

If this is Wakefield's real affadavit, why does it say she went to Wisconsin when she was offloaded, and not Detroit as it says in the story linked at the start of this post?

From the first link:

Note: "Margery" is a fictionalized character whose story combines Wakefield's own experiences with those of other Scientologists.

fuelair · 26th July 2006, 05:35 PM

I want to know what the Deros did with the real L. Ron Hubbard.

sophia8 · 27th July 2006, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Almo

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_m.../wakefrpf.html

Quote:

I spent twelve years in Scientology. I progressed to the "secret upper levels" of Scientology which are chiefly involved with the exorcism of demons. I didn't realize when I got into Scientology that I would be involved in demonic and satanic practices when I got onto these upper levels. Nor was it told to me that L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, was a practicing satanist, and that this was his religion, and the "religion" behind Scientology. The facts are carefully concealed from the beginning Scientologist.

Total
BS

Almo · 27th July 2006, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by sophia8

Total
BS

Care to expand on that?

Kiwiwriter · 27th July 2006, 07:12 AM

So...it was Satan that fought the space battle over Earth 75 million years ago, and not guys from outer space?

Ryokan · 27th July 2006, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Almo

Care to expand on that?

It looks like after she got out of Scientology, she became a Christian and has since then projected her new faith on to Scientology, painting it with a Christian shade of color.

So thetans become demons and Hubbard a Satanist.

This woman has just traded one religious high for another.

Almo · 27th July 2006, 10:10 AM

Yeah, I don't quite buy the preoccupation with Hubbard as a Satanist.

rachaella · 27th July 2006, 12:53 PM

Of all of the truly bizarre and absurd beliefs held by scientologists, I've never come across anything having to do with demons or satan. Alien invasion fleets, crazy ruler of the universe that blows up billions with nuclear weaponry, pathetic and stupid brainwashed "thetans", and crazy movie stars jumping on couches, yes, the devil, no. Fundamental christians have a tendency to liken any non-judeochristian religions with devil worshipping. It doesn't mean that it is true.

brooklyn44 · 27th July 2006, 02:37 PM

From the research I've done. over the years, I have concluded that Hubbard had no (spiritual) beliefs whatsoever. He was neither a satanist nor a scientist (the term scientology is bull); he was a guy who decided to hoodwink folks and get their money.
I am trying to locate Isaac Asimov's description of how LRH, then a fledgling scifi writer, approached Asimov (also a scifi writer) and invited him to create a new religion with him. (Based on what he believed was their shared opinion of suckers being born every minute).
Unfortunatley for humanity, the putz succeeded in building an empire that keeps rolling along long after his death.

I know Mr. Randi and Asi were close. I'm sure deep in the archives there must be some mention of the Hubbard scheme to start a profitable religion.

Ryokan · 27th July 2006, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by brooklyn44

I am trying to locate Isaac Asimov's description of how LRH, then a fledgling scifi writer, approached Asimov (also a scifi writer) and invited him to create a new religion with him. (Based on what he believed was their shared opinion of suckers being born every minute).

I'm a huge Asimov fan, and I've read that story somewhere... Only he didn't invite Asimov, he only told him that religion was where the big bucks were, or something like that.

It might've been in one of Asimov's autobiographies.

sophia8 · 3rd August 2006, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Almo

Care to expand on that?

Sorry about that - my keyboard decided it wouldn't allow me to make any spaces. Everythingcameoutlookinglikethis
or
like
this.
What I meant to say was what Ryokan said. This woman sounds like one of those fervently born-again Christians, who often exaggerate the evil of their unChristian past - claims that they've been into the baby-eating end of Satanism are very common. Additionally, to these type of Christians, any religion that isn't their particular brand of fundamental Xtianity is automatically Satanic.

Foster Zygote · 3rd August 2006, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by brooklyn44

I know Mr. Randi and Asi were close. I'm sure deep in the archives there must be some mention of the Hubbard scheme to start a profitable religion.

Look for references by Harlan Ellison. He claims to have been present when Hubbard was talking about founding a religion to get rich.

I agree with your assessment of Hubbard's motives. Like Mussolini he seems to have had no really deep convictions and simply went where the power and money were.

Steven

UserGoogol · 3rd August 2006, 02:30 PM

I believe that Asimov publically crticized Dianetics as being "stupid" when Hubbard first talked about it in Astounding Science Fiction.

26th July 2006, 05:01 PM	#1
Almo Masterblazer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 6,405	Margery Wakefield, Scientology http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/ I just read this. Since finishing it, this is my first visit to this board. It feels like a safe place. Scientology is truly scary. I have a question about this: http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_m.../wakefrpf.html If this is Wakefield's real affadavit, why does it say she went to Wisconsin when she was offloaded, and not Detroit as it says in the story linked at the start of this post? It's not terribly important; I'm just curious.
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26th July 2006, 05:19 PM	#2
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,171	Scientology is vile, but I don't think it's that vile. I think she's making stuff up. ETA: Originally Posted by Almo If this is Wakefield's real affadavit, why does it say she went to Wisconsin when she was offloaded, and not Detroit as it says in the story linked at the start of this post? From the first link: Note: "Margery" is a fictionalized character whose story combines Wakefield's own experiences with those of other Scientologists.
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26th July 2006, 05:35 PM	#3
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27th July 2006, 06:05 AM	#4
sophia8 Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In the dark, dark forest.... Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by Almo http://www.whyaretheydead.net/lisa_m.../wakefrpf.html Quote: I spent twelve years in Scientology. I progressed to the "secret upper levels" of Scientology which are chiefly involved with the exorcism of demons. I didn't realize when I got into Scientology that I would be involved in demonic and satanic practices when I got onto these upper levels. Nor was it told to me that L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, was a practicing satanist, and that this was his religion, and the "religion" behind Scientology. The facts are carefully concealed from the beginning Scientologist. Total BS
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27th July 2006, 07:10 AM	#5
Almo Masterblazer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 6,405	Originally Posted by sophia8 Total BS Care to expand on that?
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27th July 2006, 09:48 AM	#7
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,171	Originally Posted by Almo Care to expand on that? It looks like after she got out of Scientology, she became a Christian and has since then projected her new faith on to Scientology, painting it with a Christian shade of color. So thetans become demons and Hubbard a Satanist. This woman has just traded one religious high for another.

27th July 2006, 10:10 AM	#8
Almo Masterblazer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 6,405	Yeah, I don't quite buy the preoccupation with Hubbard as a Satanist.
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27th July 2006, 12:53 PM	#9
rachaella Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: State College, PA but my heart will remain in Rochester, NY for quite some time Posts: 467	Of all of the truly bizarre and absurd beliefs held by scientologists, I've never come across anything having to do with demons or satan. Alien invasion fleets, crazy ruler of the universe that blows up billions with nuclear weaponry, pathetic and stupid brainwashed "thetans", and crazy movie stars jumping on couches, yes, the devil, no. Fundamental christians have a tendency to liken any non-judeochristian religions with devil worshipping. It doesn't mean that it is true.
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27th July 2006, 02:37 PM	#10
brooklyn44 Thinker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lawn Guyland, Nu Yawk Posts: 240	From the research I've done. over the years, I have concluded that Hubbard had no (spiritual) beliefs whatsoever. He was neither a satanist nor a scientist (the term scientology is bull); he was a guy who decided to hoodwink folks and get their money. I am trying to locate Isaac Asimov's description of how LRH, then a fledgling scifi writer, approached Asimov (also a scifi writer) and invited him to create a new religion with him. (Based on what he believed was their shared opinion of suckers being born every minute). Unfortunatley for humanity, the putz succeeded in building an empire that keeps rolling along long after his death. I know Mr. Randi and Asi were close. I'm sure deep in the archives there must be some mention of the Hubbard scheme to start a profitable religion.

27th July 2006, 03:29 PM	#11
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,171	Originally Posted by brooklyn44 I am trying to locate Isaac Asimov's description of how LRH, then a fledgling scifi writer, approached Asimov (also a scifi writer) and invited him to create a new religion with him. (Based on what he believed was their shared opinion of suckers being born every minute). I'm a huge Asimov fan, and I've read that story somewhere... Only he didn't invite Asimov, he only told him that religion was where the big bucks were, or something like that. It might've been in one of Asimov's autobiographies.

3rd August 2006, 08:53 AM	#12
sophia8 Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In the dark, dark forest.... Posts: 2,254	Originally Posted by Almo Care to expand on that? Sorry about that - my keyboard decided it wouldn't allow me to make any spaces. Everythingcameoutlookinglikethis or like this. What I meant to say was what Ryokan said. This woman sounds like one of those fervently born-again Christians, who often exaggerate the evil of their unChristian past - claims that they've been into the baby-eating end of Satanism are very common. Additionally, to these type of Christians, any religion that isn't their particular brand of fundamental Xtianity is automatically Satanic.
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3rd August 2006, 02:30 PM	#14
UserGoogol Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,074	I believe that Asimov publically crticized Dianetics as being "stupid" when Hubbard first talked about it in Astounding Science Fiction.
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