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Old 2nd August 2006, 05:23 AM   #1
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Loose Change - Part IV

Will this never end?

Part I can be found here:http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=53102
Part II can be found here:http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=57424
Part III can be found here:http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=58618
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Surely there've been bigger threads than this series... right?
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First post. Universalseed.org!!! LOL

edit: Beaten. Dammit!!!
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Originally Posted by Shrinker View Post
First post. Universalseed.org!!! LOL

edit: Beaten. Dammit!!!
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Old 2nd August 2006, 05:37 AM   #5
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Just so it's in this thread, MarkyX's work:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uFNBpjZCI4 - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUZnHpkyCp4 - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8srm5Lk4hM - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-HmcVtiX-s - Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2MZwxJRYI - Part 5
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Originally Posted by Arkan_Wolfshade View Post
Surely there've been bigger threads than this series... right?
Don't think so. I reckon these threads even outdo the "Carlos Swett Affair" (which was also related to 9/11 of course).

Hmm, I wonder where Carlos/latinjral is now? What if he were to post his "paranormal hat" video over at the Loose Change forum?
Might be worth a laugh ...
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Originally Posted by abbyas
Just watched part one.

My heart's beating like a rabbit.
Is it, now ?

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Old 2nd August 2006, 05:43 AM   #8
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I was going to suggest that the old thread be ended and an new, generic 9/11 thread begun, but I guess that'll have to wait for another 5,000 posts.
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Old 2nd August 2006, 05:47 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Gravy View Post
I was going to suggest that the old thread be ended and an new, generic 9/11 thread begun, but I guess that'll have to wait for another 5,000 posts.
I wonder whether its time for a conspiracy theory subforum. Strictly speaking this thread should be dozens of smaller threads but General Skepticism and the Paranormal isn't quite the place.
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Good suggestion, try floating the idea in Community or Forum Management and see what the feedback is.
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Old 2nd August 2006, 05:51 AM   #11
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The first three threads contain 11,405 posts.

So trailing behind three word story, and barely half of Top Ten List Challenge.

Pretty impressive for a "3%" thread, though!
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Originally Posted by Bindamel View Post
The first three threads contain 11,405 posts.

So trailing behind three word story, and barely half of Top Ten List Challenge.

Pretty impressive for a "3%" thread, though!
and behind The REAL Spawn of "The Thread That Will Not Die"! (currently at 15,921) - but I wasn't thinking of fun threads. I still reckon that Loose Change Parts 1 to IV is the longest on a substantive issue.
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How do you determine when a new thread should be started? Is there a limit on each size?

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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Good suggestion, try floating the idea in Community or Forum Management and see what the feedback is.
It is done.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=60977
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The thread that wil not die is also years old. How old it this trail? Six months?
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Old 2nd August 2006, 06:15 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
The thread that wil not die is also years old. How old it this trail? Six months?
Are you suggesting that this consipracy theory will never die.... Nooooooo!!
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Are you suggesting that this consipracy theory will never die.... Nooooooo!!

Good CTs don't die... they just fade away...

(to be brought back up as supporting evidence for the NEXT CT - see JFK)

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Originally Posted by gumboot View Post
How do you determine when a new thread should be started? Is there a limit on each size?

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The first "close and split" came about because there was a "natural point" in the discussion where a break seemed sensible - since then it's normally been when someone has reminded me (thanks Regnad Kcin) that once again the beast has grown rather large.
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Old 2nd August 2006, 06:25 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
The first "close and split" came about because there was a "natural point" in the discussion where a break seemed sensible - since then it's normally been when someone has reminded me (thanks Regnad Kcin) that once again the beast has grown rather large.

Gotcha... keep up the good work...


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P.S. I always rather liked your avatar by the way...
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Something to annoy Chuck Sheen with.

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Originally Posted by MarkyX View Post
Something to annoy Chuck Sheen with.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9904/lolsheepfn1.jpg
Mark, your video is deliciously vicious. It's sad seeing the Loosers trying to defend Dylan et al and recover the moral high ground. Well done.
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Old 2nd August 2006, 06:35 AM   #22
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Yep. I wonder how people will defend Alex Jones outright lying.
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Universal Seed?

Dang! I thought it was Universal Screed! the Drive-in of Delusion!
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I've been IP banned, suspended, locked out, whatever over at LC, but I can ready the archives of the Loosers Speak thread. I've seen a lot of comments about the laughing at box-cutters and "firemen are stupid", etc...

Could someone bring up Dylan's insinuation that Bernard Brown sent his son to his death and then admitted to never having talked to Mr. Brown to confirm? I think that's one of the most disgusting and contemptable displays to date.
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Originally Posted by realitybites View Post
I've been IP banned, suspended, locked out, whatever over at LC, but I can ready the archives of the Loosers Speak thread. I've seen a lot of comments about the laughing at box-cutters and "firemen are stupid", etc...

Could someone bring up Dylan's insinuation that Bernard Brown sent his son to his death and then admitted to never having talked to Mr. Brown to confirm? I think that's one of the most disgusting and contemptable displays to date.
I brought it up this morning. Not a single comment about it from the Loosers yet. The thread is in a Northwoods/Gladio derail at the moment.
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Speaking of boxcutters,

There was a link at the end of the last thread to a picture of the boxcutters used. THey aren't the little bitty "1/4" triangle of blade" things or the "razor-blade holder" things. They're the extendible blade utility knives, as I suspected earlier, razor sharp and with a blade that can extend to about 4 or 5 inches (link is at this post).
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I guess I get points for creativity in my insults...

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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post
Speaking of boxcutters,

There was a link at the end of the last thread to a picture of the boxcutters used. THey aren't the little bitty "1/4" triangle of blade" things or the "razor-blade holder" things. They're the extendible blade utility knives, as I suspected earlier, razor sharp and with a blade that can extend to about 4 or 5 inches (link is at this post).
Don't you know you can snap those blades off with the smallest flick of a finger? [/CT Who Has Never Handled a Tool in His Life mode]
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And the jackasses are commenting on my youtube.

"markyX you need to come up with more evidence proving the government story. it doesn't do anything but show more "info" from other sources. sorry man keep trying"

"I don't understand what the whole thing about Mark being Gay had to do with 9/11 or debunking anything.."

Little do they realize that the video wasn't meant to debunk all myths.

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P.S. I always rather liked your avatar by the way...
Yeah, but I liked it first, so _I_'m supposed to get the favours, okay ?
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Don't you know you can snap those blades off with the smallest flick of a finger? [/CT Who Has Never Handled a Tool in His Life mode]
They do break easy, but IMO that makes em more dangerous. Still rather face a knife.

These things will break the blade off after a stab (or a chance to, anyway), and typically carry a half-dozen to a dozen blades in the handle.
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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post
They do break easy, but IMO that makes em more dangerous. Still rather face a knife.

These things will break the blade off after a stab (or a chance to, anyway), and typically carry a half-dozen to a dozen blades in the handle.
Yeah, I'm sure it's no fun continuing a fight for your life with a broken-off shard of metal embedded in your neck.
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I watched all of your Video. Very impressive. It is gut wrenching at times, but I think if people see this after watching LC, tehy may be less taken back by his rap video, sound byte approach to the subject.

(Hats off)
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I've learned not to underestimate box cutters.


But seriously, I try not to underestimate anything sharp, especially in the hands of someone trained for violence.

I remember someone posting a link to a news story about boxcutters being used to deadly effect in a crime. Anyone know it off hand?
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good lord, its amazing how i will occassionally pop into these threads to see what is being discussed and things that seem so easily dismissed are still debated.
so the old boxcutter debate still has fuel.
and to make the same argument i am sure you have all seen, before 9/11 people assumed it was better to obey terrorists who claimed they would blow up the plane regardless of what they were armed with, it just wasnt worth it. the fact that these terrorists managed to slit a few throats was probably even more than they needed to do. and once they realized they were gonna die anyway, flight 93 rebelled. seems like this all makes sense (waiting for CTist to say it makes too much sense) . there is no history of hijacking that would lead me to believe peope wouldve resisted the hijackers differently than they did.
this is why i only pop in occassionally- there are almost never any new insights. just retreading the same old crap.
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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post
They do break easy, but IMO that makes em more dangerous. Still rather face a knife.

These things will break the blade off after a stab (or a chance to, anyway), and typically carry a half-dozen to a dozen blades in the handle.
MarkyX's video has a picture of a boxcutter that I assume was found in the wreckage? It used blades like these:

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS...ceffdfgidgim.0

These are the single bladed type that you can flip the blade around for two uses.

The knives were the only threat the hijackers had, however they apparently told the passengers they had a bomb on board too. The CT'ers are all ready to put their lives on the line against a boxcutter, but would they still do it if they believed there was a bomb on board too? Obviously the passengers of the last plane knew they would be dead either way so they did do it, but the first planes didn't know.
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That is just a normal boxcutter.

I merely show it after the article to show that "Yeah, that little knife can cause problems"

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ah, just saw the knife from the evidence in the trial. Yeah, those are the multi-blade types. I imagine they had different types to get on board. Or the one MarkyX had pictures of came from within the WTC or Pentagon and not the plane.

eta: heh, cross-posted.
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Old 2nd August 2006, 10:26 AM   #40
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The knives were the only threat the hijackers had, however they apparently told the passengers they had a bomb on board too.
I'm not up on this as much as many of you, but I'm almost sure I read somewhere that in one of the cell phone calls from one of the planes, some form of gas or Mace-like substance was also mentioned. No?
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