Can anyone tell me the secret to forming thermite,

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 05:49 PM

Or burning Aluminum?
I was just wondering if we knew how it formed, we might be able to figure some of this out.
Can it in any state be a high explosive, what cause the reaction?
How would it have formed or damaged building 7, what did all the buildings share?
Why did the pentagon suffer less?

Ravenwood · 12th August 2006, 06:11 PM

There is no secret to manufacturing Thermite, in fact the script writers for a couple of old TV shows foolishly gave out the process, allowing high school freshmen to replicate said product, You can find it with very little trouble if you look properly, & I am not going to give it out here, simply because it is not that difficult to make. Thermite is great for destroying sensitive electronics & cutting through steel plate, but lousy for demolishing a concrete building...It is not a high explosive, in fact,if it was such an effective demolition agent, wouldn't professional Demolition companies use it in place of the conventional explosives that they currently use? The Pentagon suffered less because it was a hardened concrete structure, with thicker walls, & did not have to deal with the force of the "pancaking" upper stories of the WTC. As for the supposed evidence of THERMATE (not Thermite) The same residues would be produced from the burning materials in the building & the jetliner...

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ravenwood

There is no secret to manufacturing Thermite, in fact the script writers for a couple of old TV shows foolishly gave out the process, allowing high school freshmen to replicate said product, You can find it with very little trouble if you look properly, & I am not going to give it out here, simply because it is not that difficult to make. Thermite is great for destroying sensitive electronics & cutting through steel plate, but lousy for demolishing a concrete building...It is not a high explosive, in fact,if it was such an effective demolition agent, wouldn't professional Demolition companies use it in place of the conventional explosives that they currently use? The Pentagon suffered less because it was a hardened concrete structure, with thicker walls, & did not have to deal with the force of the "pancaking" upper stories of the WTC. As for the supposed evidence of THERMATE (not Thermite) The same residues would be produced from the burning materials in the building & the jetliner...

Oh that is solid thermite, very fine powders, is there any other state in which it can form?
What music does it like to react too?
Do you think it would like, Blue Grass, the 1812 overture, Or Jackal the lumber jack song?

Ravenwood · 12th August 2006, 06:22 PM

Thermite can be a very fine powder or a compressed block, however, once the therite is ignited, all you will have is the residue & ash from bothe the compound & whatever it was in contact with. In my experience, Home made thermite is usually the consistancy of about FFFFG black powder & military grade Thermite is in the form of compressed blocks, usually inside the casing of a piece of sensitive electronics (this knowledge is now 20yrs out of date, tho) or in the form of a grenade (for the destruction of material)

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 06:26 PM

I am sorry but that is not my thermite, it is not composed of that, it is formed naturally in natural conditions I do not like synthetic thermite!

WildCat · 12th August 2006, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

I am sorry but that is not my thermite, it is not composed of that, it is formed naturally in natural conditions I do not like synthetic thermite!

My thermite can beat up your thermite.

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 06:37 PM

My thermite go boom and spread aluminum burning in air at supersonic speeds.

I am trying to give you guys clues to what is going to be announced soon, and I need 15 posts before I can tell you about it.
Plus I promise Prof. Eagar I would let his brother break the story.

Doubt · 12th August 2006, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

My thermite go boom and spread aluminum burning in air at supersonic speeds.

Then your thermite is not thermite.

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Doubt

Then your thermite is not thermite.

Why is Aluminum, and Iron Oxide, not thermite?

fuelair · 12th August 2006, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Doubt

Then your thermite is not thermite.

What he said!!!

Thermite is a fairly specifically designed material (compound). It is not made of any material that is by itself - or combined with any of the other materials that make up thermite - explosive. You could add an explosive seperately or possibly use a hot enough explosive to ignite and throw it out into surrounding areas, but you are talking about two things then - only one of which is thermite.

Kent1 · 12th August 2006, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

Why is Aluminum, and Iron Oxide, not thermite?

I know where this is going....insert popcorn munching icon.
Folks he is talking about Greenings natural thermite theory.
Also mentioned in Jones paper.

http://www.911myths.com/html/other_contributions.html

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

What he said!!!

Thermite is a fairly specifically designed material (compound). It is not made of any material that is by itself - or combined with any of the other materials that make up thermite - explosive. You could add an explosive seperately or possibly use a hot enough explosive to ignite and throw it out into surrounding areas, but you are talking about two things then - only one of which is thermite.

No my thermite is Liquid, then mixed at high speeds.

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Folks he is talking about Greenings natural thermite theory.

True but Dr. Jones did not know what triggers thermite reactions in nature, Dr Greening will have a surprise for him now the only common factor in the World Trade Center Towers, in Building 7, and at the Pentagon with one important difference, no Iron Oxide at the Pentagon, is the same factor that causes Aluminum to burn and cause thermite.
I hope that Henry Eagar will have it in his column this Tuesday.
Until then you have to wait for it, I know the answers I am the Idiot crazy enough to play with the stuff long enough to find it out.

fuelair · 12th August 2006, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

No my thermite is Liquid, then mixed at high speeds.

Then it is not Thermite. You can call it Thermite if you wish, but Thermite refers to a specific combination and the only way/time it is liquid is when it is burning. Otherwise, all its' components are solid. No offence, but are you saying this to try to get one of us to tell you what thermite contains and how to put it together - in frustration? I know it won't work with me and hope it won't with anyone else. If you are old enough to work with it, you are old - and presumably smart - enough to do that research on your own.

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Then it is not Thermite. You can call it Thermite if you wish, but Thermite refers to a specific combination and the only way/time it is liquid is when it is burning. Otherwise, all its' components are solid. No offence, but are you saying this to try to get one of us to tell you what thermite contains and how to put it together - in frustration? I know it won't work with me and hope it won't with anyone else. If you are old enough to work with it, you are old - and presumably smart - enough to do that research on your own.

I know how to make it, that is no problem, but can it happen in nature, in liquid form can it happen in the World Trade Center and why?
What would make it form in Building 7, what would make a plane disapear at the Pentagon.
Let me see a two Buildings with Roaring fires, A building with Loud Diesel Generators, A building with a hole inside, and a Roaring fire.
No you are right absolutely nothing in common there.

WildCat · 12th August 2006, 07:33 PM

You can just buy it on ebay if you want.

Kent1 · 12th August 2006, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

True but Dr. Jones did not know what triggers thermite reactions in nature, Dr Greening will have a surprise for him now the only common factor in the World Trade Center Towers, in Building 7, and at the Pentagon with one important difference, no Iron Oxide at the Pentagon, is the same factor that causes Aluminum to burn and cause thermite.
I hope that Henry Eagar will have it in his column this Tuesday.
Until then you have to wait for it, I know the answers I am the Idiot crazy enough to play with the stuff long enough to find it out.

I believe I've seen some of your posts at the bautforum. Should be an interesting article.
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=38437&page=17

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th August 2006, 07:39 PM

Thank You, I hope you enjoy it, it took a lot of hard work to figure it out, and a lot of mistakes, fortunately good ones.

Doubt · 12th August 2006, 07:58 PM

FYI:

Info on the melting point of iron oxides:

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=iron%20oxide

By the time you get to those temperatures, thermite is not really an issue.

If this is what you are on about Chainsaw, then I don't think any explosive properties of thermite are involved. Mixing two chemicals together at very different temperatures can produce an explosive reaction that is not chemical in nature but an issue of rapid heat transfer. Water and molten aluminum being my favorite example of that type of reaction.

fuelair · 12th August 2006, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

I know how to make it, that is no problem, but can it happen in nature, in liquid form can it happen in the World Trade Center and why?
What would make it form in Building 7, what would make a plane disapear at the Pentagon.
Let me see a two Buildings with Roaring fires, A building with Loud Diesel Generators, A building with a hole inside, and a Roaring fire.
No you are right absolutely nothing in common there.

I'm guessing you are a CTer(one of the Loose Change dimmies) at this point - or trolling - since the above is meaningless. THERE IS NO LIQUID FORM OF THERMITE and thermite does not form in nature, it is human produced. Obviously David Copperfield made the plane dissappear at the Pentagon. Now go eat your veggies and we'll see if we can find some nice jello for dessert.

Arkan_Wolfshade · 12th August 2006, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

Thank You, I hope you enjoy it, it took a lot of hard work to figure it out, and a lot of mistakes, fortunately good ones.

What you say.

Kent1 · 12th August 2006, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

Thank You, I hope you enjoy it, it took a lot of hard work to figure it out, and a lot of mistakes, fortunately good ones.

In the new Debunking 911 myths book on page 42 Richard Fruehan (professor of metallurgical engineering at Carnegie Mellon University) also mentions the possible thermite reactions.

Gravy · 12th August 2006, 10:57 PM

I'll guess that CC is referring to molten aluminum mixing with iron oxide, similar to the experiment Jones performed but on a larger scale. I give him the benefit of the doubt. He sounds confident about the upcoming announcement.

And the importance of this, I take it, is to account for the high heat within the piles. I'm highly skeptical that the heat was due to thermite reactions, but eager (pun intended) to hear more. Also, I want to play with thermite.

Gravy · 12th August 2006, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

what would make a plane disapear at the Pentagon.

The Pentagon.

Crazy Chainsaw · 13th August 2006, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

I'm guessing you are a CTer(one of the Loose Change dimmies) at this point - or trolling - since the above is meaningless. THERE IS NO LIQUID FORM OF THERMITE and thermite does not form in nature, it is human produced. Obviously David Copperfield made the plane dissappear at the Pentagon. Now go eat your veggies and we'll see if we can find some nice jello for dessert.

If I was a Cter I would have believed Dr. Jones when he told me the hydrogen reaction was not possible.

Crazy Chainsaw · 13th August 2006, 04:53 AM

Look at the temperatures again you might get a clue, Aluminums burning temp, Iron Oxides melting temp, and the melting point of Crystalline Aluminum Oxide.
What energy would cause reactions is crystalline structures?

defaultdotxbe · 13th August 2006, 06:22 PM

the only "natural" thermite i could think would possible for at the WTC would be iron oxide dust falling onto some molten aluminum, although i cant imagine any situation where enough iro oxide would come into contact with enough aluminum or even if this event could trigger a thermite reaction

but since no one has been able to show any evidence of thermite (natural or otherwise) at the WTC im more inclined to believe it just wasnt there

Arkan_Wolfshade · 13th August 2006, 06:26 PM

You can have a situation occur that is not unlike flour in a silo: http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=542&parent=506

Quote:

Thomas W. Eagar is one scientist who has paid some attention to the demolition hypothesis — albeit grudgingly. A materials engineer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Mr. Eagar wrote one of the early papers on the buildings' collapses, which later became the basis for a documentary on PBS. That marked him for scrutiny and attack from conspiracy theorists. For a time, he says, he was receiving one or two angry e-mail messages each week, many accusing him of being a government shill. When Mr. Jones's paper came out, the nasty messages increased to one or two per day.

So Mr. Eagar has become reluctantly familiar with Mr. Jones's hypothesis, and he is not impressed. For example, he says, the cascade of yellow-hot particles coming out of the south tower could be any number of things: a butane can igniting, sparks from an electrical arc, molten aluminum and water forming a hydrogen reaction — or, perhaps most likely, a spontaneous, completely accidental thermite reaction.

Occasionally, he says, given enough mingled surface area, molten aluminum and rust can react violently, à la thermite. Given that there probably was plenty of molten aluminum from the plane wreckage in that building, Mr. Eagar says, it is entirely possible that this is what happened.

Others have brought up this notion as well, so Mr. Jones has carried out experiments in his lab trying to get small quantities of molten aluminum to react with rust. He has not witnessed the reaction and so rules it out. But Mr. Eagar says this is just a red herring: Accidental thermite reactions are a well-known phenomenon, he says. It just takes a lot of exposed surface area for the reaction to start.

source: http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.ph...jn728rfkn21t9l

Crazy Chainsaw · 13th August 2006, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

the only "natural" thermite i could think would possible for at the WTC would be iron oxide dust falling onto some molten aluminum, although i cant imagine any situation where enough iro oxide would come into contact with enough aluminum or even if this event could trigger a thermite reaction

but since no one has been able to show any evidence of thermite (natural or otherwise) at the WTC im more inclined to believe it just wasnt there

How about burning steel becoming Iron Oxide, falling into Burning molten Aluminum and being absorbed as inclusions? I know what the trigger was the same thing that makes steel burn or mix with sulfur, the same thing that forms thermite. Also do not forget about he drywall having Oxide compounds in it.

Crazy Chainsaw · 13th August 2006, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Doubt

FYI:

Info on the melting point of iron oxides:

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=iron%20oxide

By the time you get to those temperatures, thermite is not really an issue.

If this is what you are on about Chainsaw, then I don't think any explosive properties of thermite are involved. Mixing two chemicals together at very different temperatures can produce an explosive reaction that is not chemical in nature but an issue of rapid heat transfer. Water and molten aluminum being my favorite example of that type of reaction.

Are you referring to the Hydrogen thematic reaction or the steam reaction from the rapid cooling of the Aluminum?
You do know there are two different reaction that you get from water and Aluminum, one thematic and one that is steam related.
Plus my Aluminum and Iron Oxides are at the same temperature when mixed it is critical and since aluminum burns at very high temperature, it is no problem to get them there.

12th August 2006, 05:49 PM	#1
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Can anyone tell me the secret to forming thermite, Or burning Aluminum? I was just wondering if we knew how it formed, we might be able to figure some of this out. Can it in any state be a high explosive, what cause the reaction? How would it have formed or damaged building 7, what did all the buildings share? Why did the pentagon suffer less?

12th August 2006, 06:11 PM	#2
Ravenwood Muse Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 606	There is no secret to manufacturing Thermite, in fact the script writers for a couple of old TV shows foolishly gave out the process, allowing high school freshmen to replicate said product, You can find it with very little trouble if you look properly, & I am not going to give it out here, simply because it is not that difficult to make. Thermite is great for destroying sensitive electronics & cutting through steel plate, but lousy for demolishing a concrete building...It is not a high explosive, in fact,if it was such an effective demolition agent, wouldn't professional Demolition companies use it in place of the conventional explosives that they currently use? The Pentagon suffered less because it was a hardened concrete structure, with thicker walls, & did not have to deal with the force of the "pancaking" upper stories of the WTC. As for the supposed evidence of THERMATE (not Thermite) The same residues would be produced from the burning materials in the building & the jetliner...
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12th August 2006, 06:16 PM	#3
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Originally Posted by Ravenwood There is no secret to manufacturing Thermite, in fact the script writers for a couple of old TV shows foolishly gave out the process, allowing high school freshmen to replicate said product, You can find it with very little trouble if you look properly, & I am not going to give it out here, simply because it is not that difficult to make. Thermite is great for destroying sensitive electronics & cutting through steel plate, but lousy for demolishing a concrete building...It is not a high explosive, in fact,if it was such an effective demolition agent, wouldn't professional Demolition companies use it in place of the conventional explosives that they currently use? The Pentagon suffered less because it was a hardened concrete structure, with thicker walls, & did not have to deal with the force of the "pancaking" upper stories of the WTC. As for the supposed evidence of THERMATE (not Thermite) The same residues would be produced from the burning materials in the building & the jetliner... Oh that is solid thermite, very fine powders, is there any other state in which it can form? What music does it like to react too? Do you think it would like, Blue Grass, the 1812 overture, Or Jackal the lumber jack song?
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12th August 2006, 06:22 PM	#4
Ravenwood Muse Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 606	Thermite can be a very fine powder or a compressed block, however, once the therite is ignited, all you will have is the residue & ash from bothe the compound & whatever it was in contact with. In my experience, Home made thermite is usually the consistancy of about FFFFG black powder & military grade Thermite is in the form of compressed blocks, usually inside the casing of a piece of sensitive electronics (this knowledge is now 20yrs out of date, tho) or in the form of a grenade (for the destruction of material)
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12th August 2006, 06:37 PM	#7
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	My thermite go boom and spread aluminum burning in air at supersonic speeds. I am trying to give you guys clues to what is going to be announced soon, and I need 15 posts before I can tell you about it. Plus I promise Prof. Eagar I would let his brother break the story.
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12th August 2006, 06:26 PM	#5
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	I am sorry but that is not my thermite, it is not composed of that, it is formed naturally in natural conditions I do not like synthetic thermite!

12th August 2006, 06:35 PM	#6
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,108	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw I am sorry but that is not my thermite, it is not composed of that, it is formed naturally in natural conditions I do not like synthetic thermite! My thermite can beat up your thermite.

12th August 2006, 06:47 PM	#8
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5,444	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw My thermite go boom and spread aluminum burning in air at supersonic speeds. Then your thermite is not thermite.
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12th August 2006, 06:51 PM	#9
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Originally Posted by Doubt Then your thermite is not thermite. Why is Aluminum, and Iron Oxide, not thermite?

12th August 2006, 06:57 PM	#10
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Doubt Then your thermite is not thermite. What he said!!! Thermite is a fairly specifically designed material (compound). It is not made of any material that is by itself - or combined with any of the other materials that make up thermite - explosive. You could add an explosive seperately or possibly use a hot enough explosive to ignite and throw it out into surrounding areas, but you are talking about two things then - only one of which is thermite.
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12th August 2006, 07:00 PM	#11
Kent1 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,177	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw Why is Aluminum, and Iron Oxide, not thermite? I know where this is going....insert popcorn munching icon. Folks he is talking about Greenings natural thermite theory. Also mentioned in Jones paper. http://www.911myths.com/html/other_contributions.html
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12th August 2006, 07:00 PM	#12
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Originally Posted by fuelair What he said!!! Thermite is a fairly specifically designed material (compound). It is not made of any material that is by itself - or combined with any of the other materials that make up thermite - explosive. You could add an explosive seperately or possibly use a hot enough explosive to ignite and throw it out into surrounding areas, but you are talking about two things then - only one of which is thermite. No my thermite is Liquid, then mixed at high speeds.

12th August 2006, 07:16 PM	#13
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Quote: Folks he is talking about Greenings natural thermite theory. True but Dr. Jones did not know what triggers thermite reactions in nature, Dr Greening will have a surprise for him now the only common factor in the World Trade Center Towers, in Building 7, and at the Pentagon with one important difference, no Iron Oxide at the Pentagon, is the same factor that causes Aluminum to burn and cause thermite. I hope that Henry Eagar will have it in his column this Tuesday. Until then you have to wait for it, I know the answers I am the Idiot crazy enough to play with the stuff long enough to find it out.
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12th August 2006, 07:26 PM	#14
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw No my thermite is Liquid, then mixed at high speeds. Then it is not Thermite. You can call it Thermite if you wish, but Thermite refers to a specific combination and the only way/time it is liquid is when it is burning. Otherwise, all its' components are solid. No offence, but are you saying this to try to get one of us to tell you what thermite contains and how to put it together - in frustration? I know it won't work with me and hope it won't with anyone else. If you are old enough to work with it, you are old - and presumably smart - enough to do that research on your own.
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12th August 2006, 07:32 PM	#15
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Originally Posted by fuelair Then it is not Thermite. You can call it Thermite if you wish, but Thermite refers to a specific combination and the only way/time it is liquid is when it is burning. Otherwise, all its' components are solid. No offence, but are you saying this to try to get one of us to tell you what thermite contains and how to put it together - in frustration? I know it won't work with me and hope it won't with anyone else. If you are old enough to work with it, you are old - and presumably smart - enough to do that research on your own. I know how to make it, that is no problem, but can it happen in nature, in liquid form can it happen in the World Trade Center and why? What would make it form in Building 7, what would make a plane disapear at the Pentagon. Let me see a two Buildings with Roaring fires, A building with Loud Diesel Generators, A building with a hole inside, and a Roaring fire. No you are right absolutely nothing in common there.

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12th August 2006, 07:34 PM	#17
Kent1 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,177	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw True but Dr. Jones did not know what triggers thermite reactions in nature, Dr Greening will have a surprise for him now the only common factor in the World Trade Center Towers, in Building 7, and at the Pentagon with one important difference, no Iron Oxide at the Pentagon, is the same factor that causes Aluminum to burn and cause thermite. I hope that Henry Eagar will have it in his column this Tuesday. Until then you have to wait for it, I know the answers I am the Idiot crazy enough to play with the stuff long enough to find it out. I believe I've seen some of your posts at the bautforum. Should be an interesting article. http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=38437&page=17
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12th August 2006, 07:39 PM	#18
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12th August 2006, 07:58 PM	#19
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5,444	FYI: Info on the melting point of iron oxides: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=iron%20oxide By the time you get to those temperatures, thermite is not really an issue. If this is what you are on about Chainsaw, then I don't think any explosive properties of thermite are involved. Mixing two chemicals together at very different temperatures can produce an explosive reaction that is not chemical in nature but an issue of rapid heat transfer. Water and molten aluminum being my favorite example of that type of reaction.
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12th August 2006, 08:03 PM	#20
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw I know how to make it, that is no problem, but can it happen in nature, in liquid form can it happen in the World Trade Center and why? What would make it form in Building 7, what would make a plane disapear at the Pentagon. Let me see a two Buildings with Roaring fires, A building with Loud Diesel Generators, A building with a hole inside, and a Roaring fire. No you are right absolutely nothing in common there. I'm guessing you are a CTer(one of the Loose Change dimmies) at this point - or trolling - since the above is meaningless. THERE IS NO LIQUID FORM OF THERMITE and thermite does not form in nature, it is human produced. Obviously David Copperfield made the plane dissappear at the Pentagon. Now go eat your veggies and we'll see if we can find some nice jello for dessert.
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12th August 2006, 08:09 PM	#21
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw Thank You, I hope you enjoy it, it took a lot of hard work to figure it out, and a lot of mistakes, fortunately good ones. What you say.
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Kent1 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,177	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw Thank You, I hope you enjoy it, it took a lot of hard work to figure it out, and a lot of mistakes, fortunately good ones. In the new Debunking 911 myths book on page 42 Richard Fruehan (professor of metallurgical engineering at Carnegie Mellon University) also mentions the possible thermite reactions.
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12th August 2006, 10:57 PM	#23
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	I'll guess that CC is referring to molten aluminum mixing with iron oxide, similar to the experiment Jones performed but on a larger scale. I give him the benefit of the doubt. He sounds confident about the upcoming announcement. And the importance of this, I take it, is to account for the high heat within the piles. I'm highly skeptical that the heat was due to thermite reactions, but eager (pun intended) to hear more. Also, I want to play with thermite.
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12th August 2006, 10:59 PM	#24
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw what would make a plane disapear at the Pentagon. The Pentagon.
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13th August 2006, 04:47 AM	#25
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	NO definately not a Cter. Originally Posted by fuelair I'm guessing you are a CTer(one of the Loose Change dimmies) at this point - or trolling - since the above is meaningless. THERE IS NO LIQUID FORM OF THERMITE and thermite does not form in nature, it is human produced. Obviously David Copperfield made the plane dissappear at the Pentagon. Now go eat your veggies and we'll see if we can find some nice jello for dessert. If I was a Cter I would have believed Dr. Jones when he told me the hydrogen reaction was not possible.

13th August 2006, 04:53 AM	#26
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Look at the temperatures again you might get a clue, Aluminums burning temp, Iron Oxides melting temp, and the melting point of Crystalline Aluminum Oxide. What energy would cause reactions is crystalline structures?

13th August 2006, 06:22 PM	#27
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	the only "natural" thermite i could think would possible for at the WTC would be iron oxide dust falling onto some molten aluminum, although i cant imagine any situation where enough iro oxide would come into contact with enough aluminum or even if this event could trigger a thermite reaction but since no one has been able to show any evidence of thermite (natural or otherwise) at the WTC im more inclined to believe it just wasnt there
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13th August 2006, 06:26 PM	#28
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	You can have a situation occur that is not unlike flour in a silo: http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=542&parent=506 Quote: Thomas W. Eagar is one scientist who has paid some attention to the demolition hypothesis — albeit grudgingly. A materials engineer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Mr. Eagar wrote one of the early papers on the buildings' collapses, which later became the basis for a documentary on PBS. That marked him for scrutiny and attack from conspiracy theorists. For a time, he says, he was receiving one or two angry e-mail messages each week, many accusing him of being a government shill. When Mr. Jones's paper came out, the nasty messages increased to one or two per day. So Mr. Eagar has become reluctantly familiar with Mr. Jones's hypothesis, and he is not impressed. For example, he says, the cascade of yellow-hot particles coming out of the south tower could be any number of things: a butane can igniting, sparks from an electrical arc, molten aluminum and water forming a hydrogen reaction — or, perhaps most likely, a spontaneous, completely accidental thermite reaction. Occasionally, he says, given enough mingled surface area, molten aluminum and rust can react violently, à la thermite. Given that there probably was plenty of molten aluminum from the plane wreckage in that building, Mr. Eagar says, it is entirely possible that this is what happened. Others have brought up this notion as well, so Mr. Jones has carried out experiments in his lab trying to get small quantities of molten aluminum to react with rust. He has not witnessed the reaction and so rules it out. But Mr. Eagar says this is just a red herring: Accidental thermite reactions are a well-known phenomenon, he says. It just takes a lot of exposed surface area for the reaction to start. source: http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.ph...jn728rfkn21t9l
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13th August 2006, 06:48 PM	#29
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe the only "natural" thermite i could think would possible for at the WTC would be iron oxide dust falling onto some molten aluminum, although i cant imagine any situation where enough iro oxide would come into contact with enough aluminum or even if this event could trigger a thermite reaction but since no one has been able to show any evidence of thermite (natural or otherwise) at the WTC im more inclined to believe it just wasnt there How about burning steel becoming Iron Oxide, falling into Burning molten Aluminum and being absorbed as inclusions? I know what the trigger was the same thing that makes steel burn or mix with sulfur, the same thing that forms thermite. Also do not forget about he drywall having Oxide compounds in it.

13th August 2006, 07:01 PM	#30
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	Originally Posted by Doubt FYI: Info on the melting point of iron oxides: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=iron%20oxide By the time you get to those temperatures, thermite is not really an issue. If this is what you are on about Chainsaw, then I don't think any explosive properties of thermite are involved. Mixing two chemicals together at very different temperatures can produce an explosive reaction that is not chemical in nature but an issue of rapid heat transfer. Water and molten aluminum being my favorite example of that type of reaction. Are you referring to the Hydrogen thematic reaction or the steam reaction from the rapid cooling of the Aluminum? You do know there are two different reaction that you get from water and Aluminum, one thematic and one that is steam related. Plus my Aluminum and Iron Oxides are at the same temperature when mixed it is critical and since aluminum burns at very high temperature, it is no problem to get them there.