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Old 15th August 2006, 01:07 AM   #1
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Warns of mind control.

I would appreciate if James Randi would visit these webpage: http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopic-...derasc-20.html and http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article...-a-mutant.html
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Old 15th August 2006, 01:25 AM   #2
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I'm pretty sure you need to submit your challenge application according to the information on this page: http://www.randi.org/research/index.html.

I'm sure someone else can advise in more detail and perhaps assist you.
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Old 15th August 2006, 02:05 AM   #3
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If you wish to make a claim it is up to you to apply through the extablished route, Randi will not just read articles you've written. You need to focus on one claim - I would recomend projecting thoughts since that is easy to test, assuming you can control what thoughts are sent. You will also need to come up with a strict protocol for testing that will eliminate all possibility of trickery or chance. You can expect this to be vigorously debated and should not be offended if it is implied you are cheating, no-one will accuse you of being a fraud, but any chance of cheating must be eliminated.

It is a good idea to post any proposed protocol here so forum members can check it and propose improvements before you submit an application. Forum members do not represent the JREF, but are likely to ask the same questions.
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Originally Posted by Big Les View Post
I'm pretty sure you need to submit your challenge application according to the information on this page: http://www.randi.org/research/index.html.

I'm sure someone else can advise in more detail and perhaps assist you.
Telepathy has already been advised and assisted in great detail in this thread. Unfortunately rather than taking that advice he has started a new thread.
Cat pictures anyone ?

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Old 15th August 2006, 02:52 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by telepathy View Post
I would appreciate if James Randi would visit these webpage: ...
James Randi, being the busy man he is, is very likely to ignore your request entirely and issue a curt reply to the effect of, "apply or go away." If you are not the person with the supernatural powers, the same will pertain to whosoever is that person. At least here in the forum you have an opportunity to discuss these powers with other members. This, as suggested by others, may provide greater clarity about the nature and extent of such abilities, which in turn can minimise time and resource wastages in protocol establishment and testing procedures.

For example, have these powers been examined and/or witnessed and/or pronounced upon by any independent credible witnesses, such as a doctor, university professor, lawyer, etc.? Such isn't a requirement or proof, of course, but it helps in moving things forward.

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All of which has been made redundant by Lothian's post.

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Old 15th August 2006, 03:53 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Telepathy has already been advised and assisted in great detail in this thread. Unfortunately rather than taking that advice he has started a new thread.
Cat pictures anyone ?
Well spotted.

This is a cat http://eclectech.co.uk/b3ta/sleepycatfruit.gif.html
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Telepathy has already been advised and assisted in great detail in this thread.
Ah yes, he claims to manifest some guy with a large feature.
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Telepathy has already been advised and assisted in great detail in this thread. Unfortunately rather than taking that advice he has started a new thread.
Cat pictures anyone ?
I thought I recognized him.

Cats it is.

Or we could start a game of MC.

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Old 15th August 2006, 06:42 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans View Post
Cats it is.

...

Or we could start a game of MC.
Er, please forgive my rather spare acquaintance with the ins and outs of forum metaphor, but would someone care to clarify the above obscurities?

Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by Anacoluthon64 View Post
Er, please forgive my rather spare acquaintance with the ins and outs of forum metaphor, but would someone care to clarify the above obscurities?

Thanks in advance.

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When we get trolls spamming the forum, ignoring advice or not addressing points, rather that encouraging them forum posters often derail the thread with recipies or Photo’s of cats or a game of Mornington Crescent (MC)- Hence Mojo’s 'Turnham Green’ a common Mornington Crescent starting move, which allows experienced players to play beginners off against the East London Line gambit.

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Old 15th August 2006, 07:43 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
When we get trolls spamming the forum, ignoring advice or not addressing points, rather that encouraging them forum posters often derail the thread with recipies or Photo’s of cats or a game of Mornington Crescent (MC)- Hence Mojo’s 'Turnham Green’ a common Mornington Crescent starting move, which allows experienced players to play beginners off against the East London Line gambit.
Ah, thank you kindly for that - things are now appreciably clearer.

Though feline photos and recipes present no difficulty, I am unfamiliar with "Mornington Crescent," which I will google anon.

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Oh, dear. I see we have "goffs" this morning.
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Originally Posted by Anacoluthon64 View Post
Ah, thank you kindly for that - things are now appreciably clearer.

Though feline photos and recipes present no difficulty, I am unfamiliar with "Mornington Crescent," which I will google anon.

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You don’t have Mornington Crescent in Zola Gorgon
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You don’t have Mornington Crescent in Zola Gorgon
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Alas, no.

But we do have a Cheesy Hollow.

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Old 15th August 2006, 08:31 AM   #16
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Turnham Green
Since Anacoluthon64 is unfamiliar with the game, perhaps we could start with something a bit less challenging like, say, Holloway Road - that gives him the option to do a more straightforward Circle Line, or perhaps Circle Line Reversal, which will make it easier for him to get into the game while still being interesting for more experienced players? Just a thought to help out a newbie.
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Old 15th August 2006, 09:24 AM   #17
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I dont think Anacoluthon needs the help: Cheesy Hollow is a very impressive response, involving as it does a reverse diagonal in nib.
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Originally Posted by richardm View Post
Since Anacoluthon64 is unfamiliar with the game, perhaps we could start with something a bit less challenging like, say, Holloway Road - that gives him the option to do a more straightforward Circle Line, or perhaps Circle Line Reversal, which will make it easier for him to get into the game while still being interesting for more experienced players? Just a thought to help out a newbie.
It's very kind of you to offer such, but googling has proved somewhat less fruitful than I'd hoped. There seems to be a surfeit of "rule sets" - and I use those terms and the inverted commas carefully - out there, so I'm not sure just which one applies here.

A more significant impediment is my inadequate familiarity with London's infrastructure. I think a better strategy might be for me to observe, and contribute when I think I can. The nature of any ensuing commentary, i.e. castigating or laudatory, will help me find the right, er, path where necessary.

So please continue where Mojo began.

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Originally Posted by richardm View Post
Since Anacoluthon64 is unfamiliar with the game, perhaps we could start with something a bit less challenging like, say, Holloway Road - that gives him the option to do a more straightforward Circle Line, or perhaps Circle Line Reversal, which will make it easier for him to get into the game while still being interesting for more experienced players? Just a thought to help out a newbie.
Nice thinking. If I now play High Barnet, that's a nice example of the Circle Line Reversal with the Northern Line Switch - old-fashioned, but I like it.
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Are you sure that's allowed after 'Luthon64's reverse diagonal was followed by Holloway Road? Doesn't the Edgware branch come into play here?
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It's certainly permitted under the Locarno Amendments of 1929, which is what we usually play to over here in social games. If the mood of this board is that Edgware takes precedence, I'll withdraw my move and replace it with Seven Sisters.
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That definitely brings the Edgware branch into play, so I'm forced to respond with Tooting Bec.
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But wasn't that move expressly forbidden on Paddington's M-Rule?

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Not if we're playing the '29 Locarno Amendments with Edgware taking precedence, but I admit it is a pretty fine distinction, and probably only a borderline move.
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James Randi, being the busy man he is, is very likely to ignore your request entirely ....
I know James Randi is busy with uncoverring paranormal fraud, it seems he has already proved all these published paranormal phenomena and famous paranormal power holder are fraud. In this case, I want to know why he is still busy with the issue, don't he think it is waste time and money?
I come here again just with the hope of he will choise some of non-famous claim which might being prevented to be published by somebody.

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I'm pretty sure you need to submit your challenge application according to the information on this page: http://www.randi.org/research/index.html....
Yes, I had read it for times. chinese paranormal investigators won't truly investigate my claim, they are worthy cn gov's trust but not worthy your trust.
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That definitely brings the Edgware branch into play, so I'm forced to respond with Tooting Bec.
What is it with Tooting Bec that appeals so much, even to experienced players? .... I suspect it is simply its appealing sound.

Well, you leave me little option, provided we still want to keep the game transparant to spectators, other than risking:

Bermondsey

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I know James Randi is busy with uncoverring paranormal fraud, it seems he has already proved all these published paranormal phenomena and famous paranormal power holder are fraud. In this case, I want to know why he is still busy with the issue, don't he think it is waste time and money?
I come here again just with the hope of he will choise some of non-famous claim which might being prevented to be published by somebody.


Yes, I had read it for times. chinese paranormal investigators won't truly investigate my claim, they are worthy cn gov's trust but not worthy your trust.
Hello! You make a claim. What do you expect Randi, or anybody else, to do? Take your word for it? Come to China and investigate?

What is it you want?

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I feel obliged to inform you that I have been recently working at a major London Underground contractor for the last few weeks. They have access to MC modelling systems you can only dream of and at night play by a set of arcane "lights out" rules.

So here goes...

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ISo here goes...

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I can't believe you did that... Mornington Cresent!

Thank you

BTW, Anacoluthon64 the Underground map will help you follow the game. - http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/colourmap.gif
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I know James Randi is busy with uncoverring paranormal fraud, it seems he has already proved all these published paranormal phenomena and famous paranormal power holder are fraud. In this case, I want to know why he is still busy with the issue, don't he think it is waste time and money?
I come here again just with the hope of he will choise some of non-famous claim which might being prevented to be published by somebody.
I am sure he will indeed take an interest in looking into this - if you submit an appropriate claim through the usual channels.
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I can't believe you did that... Mornington Cresent!

Thank you
Please explain this to me, because it looks like a violation of the Hinckley-Bombeck Criterion for Conformal Closures. After The Don played his move, it seemed to me that the two prior moves and the switchback earlier would force a Pullman Stockyard Choke three moves hence, which in turn would necessitate a regroup on Central red, i.e. Grange Hill.

Am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by zooloo View Post
I can't believe you did that... Mornington Cresent!

Thank you

BTW, Anacoluthon64 the Underground map will help you follow the game. - http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/colourmap.gif
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Please explain this to me, because it looks like a violation of the Hinckley-Bombeck Criterion for Conformal Closures. After The Don played his move, it seemed to me that the two prior moves and the switchback earlier would force a Pullman Stockyard Choke three moves hence, which in turn would necessitate a regroup on Central red, i.e. Grange Hill.

Am I wrong?

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I would say this is allowed under the Greenwich Revisions of '89, although there is some controvosy whether this should take precidence over the H-B Criterion.
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I would say this is allowed under the Greenwich Revisions of '89, although there is some controvosy whether this should take precidence over the H-B Criterion.
Hmm, okay, I'll take a peek at said Greenwich Revisions. In the meantime, any suggestions on how the precedence controversy might be resolved without ambiguity?

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Old 16th August 2006, 07:38 AM   #36
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That was solved in the Carlton Modification. Unfortunately, that has been considered apocryphical ever since Calton's association with Cholmondly at the 1983 Brisbane tournament was uncovered.

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Well, there have been a number of attempts to resolve this particular problem, none of them entirely satisfactory. I think the closest we came was in 1938 when Wing Commander Bill "Starkers" Starkweather-Moore published his analysis of the effects various rule variations had on the probability of an unresovable double reverse side shunt developing as a result of H-B coming into play.

Unfortunately Starkers was killed in 1940 before he could complete his follow up work on a really effective solution. Others have tried to work out what he had in mind (in fact the group who produced the Greenwich revisions used his work) but the Wing Commander used a personal shorthand that know one has been able to crack. I know the boys at Bletchley Park, some of whom were MC players of international standing before the war, had a crack but even they could not decipher it.
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Old 16th August 2006, 08:34 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by Camillus View Post
Unfortunately Starkers was killed in 1940 before he could complete his follow up work on a really effective solution. Others have tried to work out what he had in mind (in fact the group who produced the Greenwich revisions used his work) but the Wing Commander used a personal shorthand that know one has been able to crack. I know the boys at Bletchley Park, some of whom were MC players of international standing before the war, had a crack but even they could not decipher it.
In that case, I'll play a wild card:
Tufnell Park
My partial decryption of the Starkweather Code, combined with study of the unpublished pages of the Greenwich revisions (written by Col JR "Rabbit" Hutchinson in Farsi) has convinced me that this trumps even Barking!
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Old 16th August 2006, 09:34 AM   #39
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Originally Posted by zooloo View Post
I can't believe you did that... Mornington Cresent!

Thank you

BTW, Anacoluthon64 the Underground map will help you follow the game. - http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/pdfdocs/colourmap.gif
I'm afraid that your eagerness got the better of you, or perhaps you were unaware of three things:

- The Waterloo and City line is closed until later this year
- Regent's Park is closed for refurbishing
- The Jubilee Line Extension has caused the Greenwich Revisions to be reconsidered and Featherstonehaugh's Gambit can no longer be applied retrospectively

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in this case
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
I'm afraid that your eagerness got the better of you, or perhaps you were unaware of three things:

- The Waterloo and City line is closed until later this year
- Regent's Park is closed for refurbishing
- The Jubilee Line Extension has caused the Greenwich Revisions to be reconsidered and Featherstonehaugh's Gambit can no longer be applied retrospectively

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in this case
Okay, I now see the answer to my earlier question - thank you for clearing that up. The last point also makes obvious why the Central red regroup I suggested before is not workable. On that basis, I agree that sophia8's move is valid, though perhaps a little overeager.

By bit-wise correspondence, as allowed in the Jager-Amwald-Baer session some years ago,

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