interesting variation on the "disappearing handkerchief" trick

Genesius · 19th August 2006, 07:01 AM

Warning: VERY MUCH not safe for work!!!

Link removed due to rule 2

Posted By:jmercer

hcmom · 20th August 2006, 11:28 PM

Well, thank you so much for that!!!

Genesius · 21st August 2006, 06:39 AM

You're most welcome!

As always, I stand ready to spread good taste and culture wherever I go.

Skeptic · 21st August 2006, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Genesius

Warning: VERY MUCH not safe for work!!!

Link removed here for same reason as in OP

Posted By:jmercer

I suppose that act is not available for kiddie parties...

Genesius · 21st August 2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic

I suppose that act is not available for kiddie parties...

I suspect that would depend on any applicable legislation in your area regarding corrupting the morals of a minor, as well as your relationship with the law enforcement authorities responsible for the enforcement of said laws.

Of course, if you reserve front-row seats for the cops they may just turn a blind eye if a few of the folks taking in the show happen to be a mite underage.

MWare · 21st August 2006, 01:30 PM

Kind of a one trick pony though isn't she?

Genesius · 21st August 2006, 01:43 PM

I'm sorry, were you watching the handkerchief?

It's not my problem if you choose to focus on the unimportant parts of the video. . .

rebecca · 21st August 2006, 04:58 PM

I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . .

hcmom · 21st August 2006, 06:07 PM

What I noticed is that I thought she was a guy until she proved conclusively otherwise...

gnome · 21st August 2006, 07:33 PM

I loved it, but I'm a perv that enjoys when something that looks ordinary turns "nsfw".

Genesius · 22nd August 2006, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by rebecca

I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . .

If you were to duplicate her act at TAM (just to show how to do the vanish properly, of course), I'm sure I could scrape up the money to come watch. . .

Dave_46 · 22nd August 2006, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by hcmom

What I noticed is that I thought she was a guy until she proved conclusively otherwise...

Agreed

Dave

Tim Van Haitsma · 22nd August 2006, 12:36 PM

I remeber hearing a story from a fellow magi that works in Vegas, Something about performing for drunk strippers and a vernet hankercheif vanish in her nether regions and she was amazed. Had no idea were it went.

rebecca · 22nd August 2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Genesius

If you were to duplicate her act at TAM (just to show how to do the vanish properly, of course), I'm sure I could scrape up the money to come watch. . .

I am a competitive bitch . . .

. . . but I once lost four sponge balls that way so I'd rather not chance it.

Bob Klase · 22nd August 2006, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by rebecca

I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . .

I thought she was doing it poorly intentionally- a satire on way too many non-stripping magicians.

Azrael 5 · 24th August 2006, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by rebecca

I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . .

What vanish..?

P.S. No your'e not.

Diamond · 28th August 2006, 06:09 AM

What hankerchief?

neverici_pes · 1st September 2006, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by rebecca

I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . .

Well, she is good enough (and the video has low resolution enough) to fool anybody who don't know the principle of this trick. I have spent an hour checking the video frame by frame and searching the internet, until I found where the handkerchief is. Maybe she is the best illusionist among strippers and the best stripper among illusionist. Which don't exclude the possibility, that she is bad illusionist and/or bad stripper.

vIQleS · 2nd September 2006, 02:42 PM

Am I the only one that can't get this to work?

Azrael 5 · 2nd September 2006, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by vIQleS

Am I the only one that can't get this to work?

You've tried this ?!

rustypouch · 2nd September 2006, 10:35 PM

Meh.

A classic trick. Seriously who hasn't done that vansh?

Unremarkable except for the lack of hips.

skullerello · 4th September 2006, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by hcmom

What I noticed is that I thought she was a guy until she proved conclusively otherwise...

That was my fear as well...

vIQleS · 9th September 2006, 09:08 PM

i guess i am the only one that can't see this - what am i doing wrong? it just brings up a black page with 'loading' in the middle, and some controls down the bottom which don't do anything. it just sits there 'loading' forever

LawnOven · 10th September 2006, 04:34 AM

maybe you need to update your flash player? Or use a different browser... or both?

Mick Houlahan · 6th October 2006, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by rebecca

I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . .

Her name's Ursula Martinez. It's not the horrible technique that bugs me - it's the mugging. I DO like the music though - that tune provided the background for quite a few "Pink Panther" cartoons.

Zygar · 8th October 2006, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Mick Houlahan

Her name's Ursula Martinez. It's not the horrible technique that bugs me - it's the mugging. I DO like the music though - that tune provided the background for quite a few "Pink Panther" cartoons.

The mugging, the technique, and the fact that she's physically pretty ordinary. But the mugging bugged me most as well.

Garrette · 10th October 2006, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Zygar

The mugging, the technique, and the fact that she's physically pretty ordinary. But the mugging bugged me most as well.

Bed. Crackers.

HeyLeroy · 11th October 2006, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bob Klase

I thought she was doing it poorly intentionally- a satire on way too many non-stripping magicians.

Originally Posted by Mick Houlahan

Her name's Ursula Martinez. It's not the horrible technique that bugs me - it's the mugging. I DO like the music though - that tune provided the background for quite a few "Pink Panther" cartoons.

Originally Posted by Zygar

The mugging, the technique, and the fact that she's physically pretty ordinary. But the mugging bugged me most as well.

I'm pretty sure that was from the Montreal Comedy Festival, which would explain the mugging.

thatguywhojuggles · 13th October 2006, 04:27 PM

A lot of negative comments about this routine. Yes her technique is bad (with the wiggling of the hands after the disapear), yes we all (amateur magicians and up) know how this trick is done. Yes she only does one trick in the entire routine (over and over.) Yes she doesn't have fake boobs (the ones our society has come to expect in a stripper.)

However, she isn't performing for a room full of geeks like you and me. She is performing live for a fairly big layman audience. They are obviously enjoying the show. She shocks them, embarasses them, makes them laugh, and makes them wonder. Watching this video does no justice to her actual performance. Part of her actual performance is the experience of being in a large audience who are engaged in the show, and sending (hate to use the word) energy up to the performer. You can't feel that watching the video.

What I liked about this routine was the clever mechanism for getting her undressed.

"Sending energy up to the performer" sounds woo, but it's just means physicaly and verbaly responding to a performer and that performer seeing/hearing your responses.

treble_head · 15th October 2006, 01:19 AM

meh. the mugging would have bugged me live or not.

Zygar · 15th October 2006, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by thatguywhojuggles

Yes she doesn't have fake boobs (the ones our society has come to expect in a stripper.)

For the record, fake boobs are worse than no hips.

JPK · 16th October 2006, 05:56 PM

Good evening.
I couldn't agree with thatguywhojuggles more. It was a comedy show and the crowd seemed to like it. So what exactly is the problem? Other then the lack of fake boobs.

JPK
PS Do you think if someone hired this women to do this act for Randi's next birthday he would critisize her performance?

robinson · 30th October 2006, 07:38 PM

damn. the link was removed. seems naked women doing tricks are considered obscene by the JREF.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...66#post2054966

I'm glad I saw it before that happened. It was funny.

Soapy Sam · 31st October 2006, 05:06 AM

This must be going the rounds. It sounds like it has to be the same file I was emailed by a cow-orker last week. I considered posting it here, but bottled out. It is funny, certainly not erotic. The cuts to the audience were the funniest parts. They were certainly enjoying themselves.

Kevin_Lowe · 31st October 2006, 06:31 AM

In defence of the mugging it established for the audience that it was all in fun, which I think is important in an act like that.

I also think the nudity is a clever gimmick because it makes the trick even more mystifying for people who aren't familiar with the method.

Overall I think it's a good act. She's a one trick pony but that's okay if she's only one of a variety of acts in a night.

Genesius · 31st October 2006, 06:49 AM

Nothing like a little mod action to revive interest in a thread.

2 1/2 years here, and I finally get modded for something.

<sniff> I really feel like I belong, now. . .

rebecca · 31st October 2006, 02:01 PM

Millions of people watched the show Joey and enjoyed it. Doesn't mean it was a good show. The stripper performed the trick very poorly, that's all I was saying - no matter how much the audience liked it, it was still sloppy work. Kind of like that Chris Bliss video where he juggles poorly and everyone applauds. It's just not a good performance, but it doesn't mean that it won't be enough to satisfy a good number of people.

Azrael 5 · 31st October 2006, 03:07 PM

So anyone got the link lying around? I have seen it but need to check a couple of things....

Azrael 5 · 31st October 2006, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by robinson

damn. the link was removed. seems naked women doing tricks are considered obscene by the JREF.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...66#post2054966

I'm glad I saw it before that happened. It was funny.

Why do I need to log in to see that link,when I'm obviously logged in already??

firecoins · 2nd November 2006, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by rebecca

Millions of people watched the show Joey and enjoyed it. Doesn't mean it was a good show. The stripper performed the trick very poorly, that's all I was saying - no matter how much the audience liked it, it was still sloppy work. Kind of like that Chris Bliss video where he juggles poorly and everyone applauds. It's just not a good performance, but it doesn't mean that it won't be enough to satisfy a good number of people.

She wasn't trying to be a good magician or do a good trick.

20th August 2006, 11:28 PM	#2
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21st August 2006, 01:11 PM	#5
Genesius Apathetic Agnostic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 1,367	Originally Posted by Skeptic I suppose that act is not available for kiddie parties... I suspect that would depend on any applicable legislation in your area regarding corrupting the morals of a minor, as well as your relationship with the law enforcement authorities responsible for the enforcement of said laws. Of course, if you reserve front-row seats for the cops they may just turn a blind eye if a few of the folks taking in the show happen to be a mite underage.
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21st August 2006, 01:30 PM	#6
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21st August 2006, 01:43 PM	#7
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21st August 2006, 04:58 PM	#8
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21st August 2006, 06:07 PM	#9
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21st August 2006, 07:33 PM	#10
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22nd August 2006, 07:18 AM	#11
Genesius Apathetic Agnostic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Reading, PA Posts: 1,367	Originally Posted by rebecca I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . . If you were to duplicate her act at TAM (just to show how to do the vanish properly, of course), I'm sure I could scrape up the money to come watch. . .
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22nd August 2006, 11:25 AM	#12
Dave_46 Muse Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK (south Bucks) Posts: 697	Originally Posted by hcmom What I noticed is that I thought she was a guy until she proved conclusively otherwise... Agreed Dave

22nd August 2006, 12:36 PM	#13
Tim Van Haitsma New Blood Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 7	I remeber hearing a story from a fellow magi that works in Vegas, Something about performing for drunk strippers and a vernet hankercheif vanish in her nether regions and she was amazed. Had no idea were it went.
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22nd August 2006, 02:59 PM	#14
rebecca Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: some other spring Posts: 6,852	Originally Posted by Genesius If you were to duplicate her act at TAM (just to show how to do the vanish properly, of course), I'm sure I could scrape up the money to come watch. . . I am a competitive bitch . . . . . . but I once lost four sponge balls that way so I'd rather not chance it.

22nd August 2006, 08:26 PM	#15
Bob Klase Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Largo, FL Posts: 2,389	Originally Posted by rebecca I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . . I thought she was doing it poorly intentionally- a satire on way too many non-stripping magicians.

24th August 2006, 10:22 AM	#16
Azrael 5 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 4,171	Originally Posted by rebecca I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . . What vanish..? P.S. No your'e not.
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28th August 2006, 06:09 AM	#17
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neverici_pes New Blood Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1	Originally Posted by rebecca I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . . Well, she is good enough (and the video has low resolution enough) to fool anybody who don't know the principle of this trick. I have spent an hour checking the video frame by frame and searching the internet, until I found where the handkerchief is. Maybe she is the best illusionist among strippers and the best stripper among illusionist. Which don't exclude the possibility, that she is bad illusionist and/or bad stripper.
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2nd September 2006, 02:42 PM	#19
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2nd September 2006, 10:35 PM	#21
rustypouch Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Calgary... Posts: 2,584	Meh. A classic trick. Seriously who hasn't done that vansh? Unremarkable except for the lack of hips.

4th September 2006, 11:32 PM	#22
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9th September 2006, 09:08 PM	#23
vIQleS Muse Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Auckland NZ Posts: 696	i guess i am the only one that can't see this - what am i doing wrong? it just brings up a black page with 'loading' in the middle, and some controls down the bottom which don't do anything. it just sits there 'loading' forever
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6th October 2006, 02:04 PM	#25
Mick Houlahan Scholar Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chicago 'burbs Posts: 107	Originally Posted by rebecca I'm probably the only person on this forum to note that she does that vanish very, very, VERY poorly. But I guess there's no need for her to really practice . . . Her name's Ursula Martinez. It's not the horrible technique that bugs me - it's the mugging. I DO like the music though - that tune provided the background for quite a few "Pink Panther" cartoons.

8th October 2006, 06:14 PM	#26
Zygar Lex Luthor's Evil Twin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,583	Originally Posted by Mick Houlahan Her name's Ursula Martinez. It's not the horrible technique that bugs me - it's the mugging. I DO like the music though - that tune provided the background for quite a few "Pink Panther" cartoons. The mugging, the technique, and the fact that she's physically pretty ordinary. But the mugging bugged me most as well.

10th October 2006, 08:17 AM	#27
Garrette Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,926	Originally Posted by Zygar The mugging, the technique, and the fact that she's physically pretty ordinary. But the mugging bugged me most as well. Bed. Crackers.
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11th October 2006, 05:28 PM	#28
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13th October 2006, 04:27 PM	#29
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15th October 2006, 01:19 AM	#30
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15th October 2006, 02:43 AM	#31
Zygar Lex Luthor's Evil Twin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,583	Originally Posted by thatguywhojuggles Yes she doesn't have fake boobs (the ones our society has come to expect in a stripper.) For the record, fake boobs are worse than no hips.

16th October 2006, 05:56 PM	#32
JPK Muse Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 963	Good evening. I couldn't agree with thatguywhojuggles more. It was a comedy show and the crowd seemed to like it. So what exactly is the problem? Other then the lack of fake boobs. JPK PS Do you think if someone hired this women to do this act for Randi's next birthday he would critisize her performance?
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30th October 2006, 07:38 PM	#33
robinson Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 6,136	damn. the link was removed. seems naked women doing tricks are considered obscene by the JREF. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...66#post2054966 I'm glad I saw it before that happened. It was funny.

31st October 2006, 05:06 AM	#34
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 17,387	This must be going the rounds. It sounds like it has to be the same file I was emailed by a cow-orker last week. I considered posting it here, but bottled out. It is funny, certainly not erotic. The cuts to the audience were the funniest parts. They were certainly enjoying themselves.
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31st October 2006, 06:31 AM	#35
Kevin_Lowe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Queensland Posts: 5,089	In defence of the mugging it established for the audience that it was all in fun, which I think is important in an act like that. I also think the nudity is a clever gimmick because it makes the trick even more mystifying for people who aren't familiar with the method. Overall I think it's a good act. She's a one trick pony but that's okay if she's only one of a variety of acts in a night.
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31st October 2006, 06:49 AM	#36
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31st October 2006, 02:01 PM	#37
rebecca Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: some other spring Posts: 6,852	Millions of people watched the show Joey and enjoyed it. Doesn't mean it was a good show. The stripper performed the trick very poorly, that's all I was saying - no matter how much the audience liked it, it was still sloppy work. Kind of like that Chris Bliss video where he juggles poorly and everyone applauds. It's just not a good performance, but it doesn't mean that it won't be enough to satisfy a good number of people.