Killtown's Clinton BJ conspiracy

Pardalis · 24th August 2006, 03:15 PM

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...44#post1873244

Here, Killtown, care to expand on this idea?

defaultdotxbe · 24th August 2006, 03:37 PM

for clinton and bush sr being friends, i wonder if killtown realizes that most adults realize there is much more to life then 2 sides of the political fence

Darth Rotor · 24th August 2006, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...44#post1873244

Here, Killtown, care to expand on this idea?

The Clinton BJ conspiracy, in a nutshell: Originally two people conspired for a man and an young groupie to engage in fellation. The conspiracy accomplished its objectives. All was fine and dandy, until she broke silence and confessed to a "girlfriend."

The rest we read about in the news.

Mr Clinton liked the way her mouth worked, apparently, but forgot that a working mouth has a hard time keeping a secret.

DR

Ravenwood · 24th August 2006, 04:01 PM

Unfortunately, Ktown still has not figured out that occam's razor is not a grooming accessory...

fuelair · 24th August 2006, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

The Clinton BJ conspiracy, in a nutshell: Originally two people conspired for a man and an young groupie to engage in fellation. The conspiracy accomplished its objectives. All was fine and dandy, until she broke silence and confessed to a "girlfriend."

The rest we read about in the news.

Mr Clinton liked the way her mouth worked, apparently, but forgot that a working mouth has a hard time keeping a secret.

DR

So, he should have kept it working??

Darth Rotor · 25th August 2006, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

So, he should have kept it working??

*snort*

IMO, he should never have cheated on his wife, but that's beside the point.

DR

defaultdotxbe · 25th August 2006, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

*snort*

IMO, he should never have cheated on his wife, but that's beside the point.

DR

should have never married queen frost in the first place, but thats beside beside the point

Huntster · 26th August 2006, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor
*snort*

IMO, he should never have cheated on his wife, but that's beside the point.

should have never married queen frost in the first place, but thats beside beside the point

Should have been focused on national matters, not below his belt.

But regardless on whether you blame Hillary or sexual disfunction, the result is the same:

Everybody got screwed; Monica, me, and you.......................

And that IS the point........................

Regnad Kcin · 26th August 2006, 01:05 AM

Nonsense.

Huntster · 26th August 2006, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Quote:

Should have been focused on national matters, not below his belt.

But regardless on whether you blame Hillary or sexual disfunction, the result is the same:

Everybody got screwed; Monica, me, and you.......................

And that IS the point............

............Nonsense.

He should have been focused on his body parts, not national matters?

Everybody didn't get screwed? Monica certainly did. I think that can be *proven*.

That's why we can talk s**t about it.

Me and you? We didn't get "the screw"?

I say we did.

Prove me wrong............

Pardalis · 26th August 2006, 02:17 AM

Wasn't this thread adressed to Killtown?

Huntster · 26th August 2006, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Wasn't this thread adressed to Killtown?

Yup.

(If he/she never responds, is it allowed to post?)

Pardalis · 26th August 2006, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Huntster

(If he/she never responds, is it allowed to post?)

"It" certainly can.

valis · 26th August 2006, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

The Clinton BJ conspiracy, in a nutshell: Originally two people conspired for a man and an young groupie to engage in fellation. The conspiracy accomplished its objectives. All was fine and dandy, until she broke silence and confessed to a "girlfriend."

The rest we read about in the news.

Mr Clinton liked the way her mouth worked, apparently, but forgot that a working mouth has a hard time keeping a secret.

DR

That is why it is better to elect old money like Mr. Bush as opposed to social climbers like Mr. Clinton. Mr. Bush may have his own affairs, who knows, but he does know that it is not proper to f*** the help.

bob_kark · 26th August 2006, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Huntster

He should have been focused on his body parts, not national matters?

Everybody didn't get screwed? Monica certainly did. I think that can be *proven*.

That's why we can talk s**t about it.

Me and you? We didn't get "the screw"?

I say we did.

Prove me wrong............

How exactly did you "get the screw?"

Matthew Best · 26th August 2006, 05:39 AM

I know I didn't.

Buckwheatjones · 26th August 2006, 11:21 PM

I thought he was just looking for a new humidor for his cigars...

Lonewulf · 27th August 2006, 09:37 PM

Clinton is living proof that you can serve 4 years as leader of a country, get involved in major conflicts and wars, and otherwise act out your duties... and only be remembered by contemporary history as the man that got the blowjobs.

Meanwhile, everyone loves the Founding Fathers, of which a good majority got a lot of nookie...

Hell, I don't mind people hating Clinton, I just wish people would have better reasons than, "He had extramarital affairs"... hell, the President's supposed to represent our country, and if anything represents the majority of marriages in the U.S., Clinton's it.

gtc · 27th August 2006, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Hell, I don't mind people hating Clinton, I just wish people would have better reasons than, "He had extramarital affairs"... hell, the President's supposed to represent our country, and if anything represents the majority of marriages in the U.S., Clinton's it.

For me, it was that he was so reckless or ignorant. He should have realised that the media and the Republicans would go after any sort of dirt and that lying about it would only inflame the situation.

He could have waited until his term was up and retired to the Clinton Memorial Presidential library to enjoy all the nooky he wanted.

gumboot · 27th August 2006, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Hell, I don't mind people hating Clinton, I just wish people would have better reasons than, "He had extramarital affairs"... hell, the President's supposed to represent our country, and if anything represents the majority of marriages in the U.S., Clinton's it.

I thought the issue was he lied under oath, which is quite bad, really.

Frankly I couldn't care less. I'm not at all impressed with Mr Clinton as a President, and it has nothing to do with his recreational endeavours. Good on him, I say.

-Andrew

Lonewulf · 28th August 2006, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

For me, it was that he was so reckless or ignorant. He should have realised that the media and the Republicans would go after any sort of dirt and that lying about it would only inflame the situation.

He could have waited until his term was up and retired to the Clinton Memorial Presidential library to enjoy all the nooky he wanted.

True as that may be, doesn't it seem rather odd that people focus so closely on the blowjobs as the only reason to dislike Clinton?

He had a few affairs; so does a good amount of American men. He didn't own up to it, and made a pathetic attempt at being a lawyer about it. Okay, yeah, that sucks and he looked like a moron, but... I mean, c'mon.

One guy I talked to actually said that the only reason 9/11 happened is because of Clinton's blowjobbing. Basically, it "showed how weak we are", and if he didn't get blowjobs, then we wouldn't have been attacked...

After a while of hearing stuff similar to this, it seems pretty silly to me that it's the main focus of everyone's attention. There WERE more important things during his presidency... like, say, Somalia.

Darth Rotor · 28th August 2006, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

True as that may be, doesn't it seem rather odd that people focus so closely on the blowjobs as the only reason to dislike Clinton?

Strawman. He was disliked for a wide variety of reasons. The blowjob just made for good copy, and was something every American could understand.

His policy in Somalia was wrong, by asking to do it on the cheap.

His policy in Kosovo was wrong.

His policy on Bosnia was based on a lie: "We will only be there for a year" is what he told Congress, and anyone with even a pea brain knew good and damned well that was BS.

His First major action as President? Launching, before he had built political support, his "gays in the military" initiative in the face of the Constitutional fact that while he may have been commander in chief, Congress writes the rules and laws governing military administration. So, if he had really wanted that initiative to suceed, he'd have spent some time getting more Congressional backing on that before he pursued it, and might well have won. What did he do? He played a Dick Cheney style "because I said so" and challenged Congress to face him down. They did. The military leadership was more than happy to provide Congress with whatever ammo they needed.

Vince Foster.

200 FBI files illegally called for and used against political enemies.

Do I need to go on?

The National Health Care thing.

Lincoln Bedroom and sell out to China.

Bailing out Mexico with our tax money.

His waffling on Saddam and Sanctions.

Anyhoo, the blowjob was sensational (oh wait, sensationalist, sorry! I wasn't there for it! ) news that was tied to White Water, McDougal, and other skeletons in the Clintons' closets.

The Puala Jones, Katherine Willey, and even Jennifer Flowers affairs were far more detailed, and nasty, than a blowjob from a groupie.

So why, you ask, after humiliating her in front of the whole world, does Hillary still put up with this guy?

Ask Jennifer Flowers.

DR

Regnad Kcin · 28th August 2006, 09:44 AM

And the disinfo continues...

DavidJames · 28th August 2006, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Strawman. He was disliked for a wide variety of reasons. The blowjob just made for good copy, and was something every American could understand.

His policy in Somalia was wrong, by asking to do it on the cheap.

His policy in Kosovo was wrong.

His policy on Bosnia was based on a lie: "We will only be there for a year" is what he told Congress, and anyone with even a pea brain knew good and damned well that was BS.

His First major action as President? Launching, before he had built political support, his "gays in the military" initiative in the face of the Constitutional fact that while he may have been commander in chief, Congress writes the rules and laws governing military administration. So, if he had really wanted that initiative to suceed, he'd have spent some time getting more Congressional backing on that before he pursued it, and might well have won. What did he do? He played a Dick Cheney style "because I said so" and challenged Congress to face him down. They did. The military leadership was more than happy to provide Congress with whatever ammo they needed.

Vince Foster.

200 FBI files illegally called for and used against political enemies.

Do I need to go on?

The National Health Care thing.

Lincoln Bedroom and sell out to China.

Bailing out Mexico with our tax money.

His waffling on Saddam and Sanctions.

Anyhoo, the blowjob was sensational (oh wait, sensationalist, sorry! I wasn't there for it! ) news that was tied to White Water, McDougal, and other skeletons in the Clintons' closets.

The Puala Jones, Katherine Willey, and even Jennifer Flowers affairs were far more detailed, and nasty, than a blowjob from a groupie.

So why, you ask, after humiliating her in front of the whole world, does Hillary still put up with this guy?

Ask Jennifer Flowers.

DR

My first thought was to politely ask political discussions be taken to the politics forum. Then I read the list more closely and decided this may be the correct forum after all, but maybe a new thread

Overman · 28th August 2006, 09:50 AM

Bill: "Come in here Killtown and have a cigar..."

KingMerv00 · 28th August 2006, 05:35 PM

Jeez, this thread took a political turn. How shocking.

Dog Town · 28th August 2006, 05:42 PM

Quote:

I thought the issue was he lied under oath, which is quite bad, really.

It was really the other sexual harasssment case. He was involved in more than one, IIRC. Clinton got elected twice on the health insurance issue.
Never saw any of that. He got lucky on the economy as well. Computers and the internet saved his butt, after Nafta and Gatt, swallowed jobs by the boatload!Perot was RIGHT Then again Al Gore invented the internet!/derail and sarcasm.

Lonewulf · 29th August 2006, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Strawman. He was disliked for a wide variety of reasons. The blowjob just made for good copy, and was something every American could understand.

How is it a strawman? I'm not making any kind of argument. I'm just annoyed at the people who do make it seem like the only bad thing Clinton did was have a few affairs. I never said that everyone who dislikes Clinton does so.

Sheesh, why is it that everyone seems to misread what I'm trying to say? Am I really that incomprehensible? I'm not saying that there was no reason to dislike Clinton... I'm just tired of continually hearing about his affairs. So he had a few blowjobs, and had an incident with a cigar -- that had very very little to do with his role as President.

All I'm saying is that I dislike the particular, continual attack based on his blowjob. That's all.

Sheesh.

Quote:

His policy in Somalia was wrong, by asking to do it on the cheap.

Agreed.

Quote:

His policy in Kosovo was wrong.

Well, I'm sure it could have easily been done better; I haven't researched the issue myself, so I can't really make a comment one way or another.

Quote:

His policy on Bosnia was based on a lie: "We will only be there for a year" is what he told Congress, and anyone with even a pea brain knew good and damned well that was BS.

Heh, reminds me of the current war, but only slightly. Yes, agreed.

Quote:

His First major action as President? Launching, before he had built political support, his "gays in the military" initiative in the face of the Constitutional fact that while he may have been commander in chief, Congress writes the rules and laws governing military administration. So, if he had really wanted that initiative to suceed, he'd have spent some time getting more Congressional backing on that before he pursued it, and might well have won. What did he do? He played a Dick Cheney style "because I said so" and challenged Congress to face him down. They did. The military leadership was more than happy to provide Congress with whatever ammo they needed.

From the face of it, agreed. Once more, I haven't researched this area myself.

Quote:

Anyhoo, the blowjob was sensational (oh wait, sensationalist, sorry! I wasn't there for it! ) news that was tied to White Water, McDougal, and other skeletons in the Clintons' closets.

And it also seems to be the only frikkin' thing I ever hear, whenever Clinton is ever brought up. You just listed a dozen reasons you really didn't need to, since my point wasn't that Clinton "only did one little thing"... my point was that I have yet to see any of his other mistakes brought up, outside of this thread.

However, your dozen mentions illustrates my simple, singular point that there's a lot more to dislike than a frikkin' blowjob. I would just like some variety when I hear others talk about Clinton. Hell, I hear far more variety with the Bushes...

Did I mention that someone said that 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Clinton hadn't lied in public about his blowjobs? I could've sworn I mentioned that.

So, considering that my entire argument was, "I just find it rather annoying that people keep going on about the blowjobs"... how, exactly, did I make a strawman?

Darth Rotor · 29th August 2006, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

So he had a few blowjobs, and had an incident with a cigar -- that had very very little to do with his role as President.

All I'm saying is that I dislike the particular, continual attack based on his blowjob. That's all.

So it appears that you and I are actually in violent agreement.

I too think the "fellatio con cigaro incident" event was overblown.

Cheers

DR

Lonewulf · 29th August 2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

So it appears that you and I are actually in violent agreement.

Yes, we definitely are, you overblown bag of... uhm... agree-ance!

gtc · 29th August 2006, 08:59 PM

Lonewulf,

For me, its not the BJ itself but that he didn't anticipate the bad publicity that arose from:
a) it becoming public knowledge that the event occured,
b) it becoming public knowledge that he lied under oath about it.

As someone who has never visited the US and looking back from 2006, the Monica Lewinsky scandal seems to be the event of his presidency which got the most coverage.

Is this the worst thing he did as president? For me, I would like to know more about what he could have done to prevent 9/11, to stop Saddam violating the oil-for-food program (and his other transgressions), to curtail the spread of AIDS, the spread of nuclear weapons, the deaths in Sudan, Somalia, Rwanda and the Balkans.

CurtC · 29th August 2006, 09:33 PM

As an economic conservative, I think Clinton's presidency was pretty successful. What matters to most of us is the overbearing size of the federal government, and despite our fears of what he might do, the government didn't grow very much under him. I realize that this was largely because of the Republican congress - I now think it's a good idea to have opposite parties controlling the legislative and executive branches. Neither one gets whatever they want.

The economic things that it's up to the president to do, he did very well. He promoted free trade at every turn, and NAFTA was a very wise move, even though many in his party disagreed.

I don't know as much about what he did in trying to resolve world conflicts. He sure didn't start any major wars. Our actions in Somalia, though it was bad for the people involved, were miniscule compared to what the current president's gotten us into.

Overall, I'd give him a B+. The Lewsinski doesn't even figure into my opinion of him. He shouldn't have been misleading under oath, but I gotta feel for the guy.

On the other hand, I had high hopes for Bush 43, but have been severely disappointed.

gumboot · 29th August 2006, 10:25 PM

Wow, we have gone political. Who woulda thunk it.

I agree with you all. I remember at the time everyone was getting all excited about the BJ thing. I was thinking "Who cares? Did she get MADE to do it? Doesn't sound like it. Game on."

-Andrew

gumboot · 29th August 2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by CurtC

I don't know as much about what he did in trying to resolve world conflicts. He sure didn't start any major wars. Our actions in Somalia, though it was bad for the people involved, were miniscule compared to what the current president's gotten us into.

I don't think that is the issue. The issue is he pulled the plug on Bush's commitment to Somalia, and instead put in a light weight force that were grossly under supported, and expected to produce magical results. Cue Battle of Mogadishu, and Clinton's shameful retreat with his tail between his legs.

The ramifications of Clinton's turn-tail from Somalia were significant indeed - Al Qaeda were directly involved in Somalia (they taught the militia the "shoot the helicopter tail rotor" tactic), Osama Bin Laden has repeatedly cited Somalia as the major encouragement for continued attacks against the US - namely that killing 18 soldiers was enough to sent the mighty US packing.

Worse still, the CIA have claimed they had just detected an Al Qaeda presence in Somalia and were about to start doing some serious terrorist-hunting when the US pulled the plug. Given that the people involved went on to do the African Embassy Bombings, that may have been prevented. The CIA might have even been able to prevent 9/11.

Speculation, of course, but the Clinton Administration failed to take Radical Islamic Terrorist seriously, and 9/11 was the net result.

-Andrew

DavidJames · 29th August 2006, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by gumboot

Speculation, of course, but the Clinton Administration failed to take Radical Islamic Terrorist seriously, and 9/11 was the net result.

-Andrew

or maybe the seeds were planted years earlier when Reagan played nicey nice with the terrorists in Iran by trading arms for hostages...

gtc · 29th August 2006, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by DavidJames

or maybe the seeds were planted years earlier when Reagan played nicey nice with the terrorists in Iran by trading arms for hostages...

There were probably a lot of 'seeds' planted. I think the question is not who was ultimately responsible, but who could have done more to prevent the growth.

Just my 4 Zimbabwean dollars.

24th August 2006, 03:15 PM	#1
Pardalis Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 18,531	Killtown's Clinton BJ conspiracy http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...44#post1873244 Here, Killtown, care to expand on this idea?
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24th August 2006, 03:37 PM	#2
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 6,462	for clinton and bush sr being friends, i wonder if killtown realizes that most adults realize there is much more to life then 2 sides of the political fence
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24th August 2006, 03:53 PM	#3
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 24,955	Originally Posted by Pardalis http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...44#post1873244 Here, Killtown, care to expand on this idea? The Clinton BJ conspiracy, in a nutshell: Originally two people conspired for a man and an young groupie to engage in fellation. The conspiracy accomplished its objectives. All was fine and dandy, until she broke silence and confessed to a "girlfriend." The rest we read about in the news. Mr Clinton liked the way her mouth worked, apparently, but forgot that a working mouth has a hard time keeping a secret. DR
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24th August 2006, 04:01 PM	#4
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24th August 2006, 04:07 PM	#5
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15,891	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor The Clinton BJ conspiracy, in a nutshell: Originally two people conspired for a man and an young groupie to engage in fellation. The conspiracy accomplished its objectives. All was fine and dandy, until she broke silence and confessed to a "girlfriend." The rest we read about in the news. Mr Clinton liked the way her mouth worked, apparently, but forgot that a working mouth has a hard time keeping a secret. DR So, he should have kept it working??
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25th August 2006, 10:48 PM	#6
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 24,955	Originally Posted by fuelair So, he should have kept it working?? snort IMO, he should never have cheated on his wife, but that's beside the point. DR
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25th August 2006, 11:04 PM	#7
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 6,462	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor snort IMO, he should never have cheated on his wife, but that's beside the point. DR should have never married queen frost in the first place, but thats beside beside the point
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26th August 2006, 12:46 AM	#8
Huntster Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 6,798	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe Quote: Originally Posted by Darth Rotor snort IMO, he should never have cheated on his wife, but that's beside the point. should have never married queen frost in the first place, but thats beside beside the point Should have been focused on national matters, not below his belt. But regardless on whether you blame Hillary or sexual disfunction, the result is the same: Everybody got screwed; Monica, me, and you....................... And that IS the point........................

26th August 2006, 01:05 AM	#9
Regnad Kcin Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The ol' Same place Posts: 4,729	Nonsense.
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26th August 2006, 02:15 AM	#10
Huntster Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 6,798	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Quote: Should have been focused on national matters, not below his belt. But regardless on whether you blame Hillary or sexual disfunction, the result is the same: Everybody got screwed; Monica, me, and you....................... And that IS the point............ ............Nonsense. He should have been focused on his body parts, not national matters? Everybody didn't get screwed? Monica certainly did. I think that can be proven. That's why we can talk s**t about it. Me and you? We didn't get "the screw"? I say we did. Prove me wrong............

26th August 2006, 02:17 AM	#11
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26th August 2006, 02:20 AM	#12
Huntster Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alaska Posts: 6,798	Originally Posted by Pardalis Wasn't this thread adressed to Killtown? Yup. (If he/she never responds, is it allowed to post?)

26th August 2006, 02:23 AM	#13
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26th August 2006, 02:59 AM	#14
valis Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sebastian. fl Posts: 578	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor The Clinton BJ conspiracy, in a nutshell: Originally two people conspired for a man and an young groupie to engage in fellation. The conspiracy accomplished its objectives. All was fine and dandy, until she broke silence and confessed to a "girlfriend." The rest we read about in the news. Mr Clinton liked the way her mouth worked, apparently, but forgot that a working mouth has a hard time keeping a secret. DR That is why it is better to elect old money like Mr. Bush as opposed to social climbers like Mr. Clinton. Mr. Bush may have his own affairs, who knows, but he does know that it is not proper to f*** the help.
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26th August 2006, 04:58 AM	#15
bob_kark Person of Hench Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Globalist H.Q., 25th floor, 5th room on the right. Posts: 3,899	Originally Posted by Huntster He should have been focused on his body parts, not national matters? Everybody didn't get screwed? Monica certainly did. I think that can be proven. That's why we can talk s**t about it. Me and you? We didn't get "the screw"? I say we did. Prove me wrong............ How exactly did you "get the screw?"
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27th August 2006, 09:37 PM	#18
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Clinton is living proof that you can serve 4 years as leader of a country, get involved in major conflicts and wars, and otherwise act out your duties... and only be remembered by contemporary history as the man that got the blowjobs. Meanwhile, everyone loves the Founding Fathers, of which a good majority got a lot of nookie... Hell, I don't mind people hating Clinton, I just wish people would have better reasons than, "He had extramarital affairs"... hell, the President's supposed to represent our country, and if anything represents the majority of marriages in the U.S., Clinton's it.
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27th August 2006, 09:57 PM	#19
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by Lonewulf Hell, I don't mind people hating Clinton, I just wish people would have better reasons than, "He had extramarital affairs"... hell, the President's supposed to represent our country, and if anything represents the majority of marriages in the U.S., Clinton's it. For me, it was that he was so reckless or ignorant. He should have realised that the media and the Republicans would go after any sort of dirt and that lying about it would only inflame the situation. He could have waited until his term was up and retired to the Clinton Memorial Presidential library to enjoy all the nooky he wanted.

27th August 2006, 09:59 PM	#20
gumboot Norad Ninja Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,386	Originally Posted by Lonewulf Hell, I don't mind people hating Clinton, I just wish people would have better reasons than, "He had extramarital affairs"... hell, the President's supposed to represent our country, and if anything represents the majority of marriages in the U.S., Clinton's it. I thought the issue was he lied under oath, which is quite bad, really. Frankly I couldn't care less. I'm not at all impressed with Mr Clinton as a President, and it has nothing to do with his recreational endeavours. Good on him, I say. -Andrew
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28th August 2006, 05:38 AM	#21
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by gtc For me, it was that he was so reckless or ignorant. He should have realised that the media and the Republicans would go after any sort of dirt and that lying about it would only inflame the situation. He could have waited until his term was up and retired to the Clinton Memorial Presidential library to enjoy all the nooky he wanted. True as that may be, doesn't it seem rather odd that people focus so closely on the blowjobs as the only reason to dislike Clinton? He had a few affairs; so does a good amount of American men. He didn't own up to it, and made a pathetic attempt at being a lawyer about it. Okay, yeah, that sucks and he looked like a moron, but... I mean, c'mon. One guy I talked to actually said that the only reason 9/11 happened is because of Clinton's blowjobbing. Basically, it "showed how weak we are", and if he didn't get blowjobs, then we wouldn't have been attacked... After a while of hearing stuff similar to this, it seems pretty silly to me that it's the main focus of everyone's attention. There WERE more important things during his presidency... like, say, Somalia.
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28th August 2006, 07:38 AM	#22
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 24,955	Originally Posted by Lonewulf True as that may be, doesn't it seem rather odd that people focus so closely on the blowjobs as the only reason to dislike Clinton? Strawman. He was disliked for a wide variety of reasons. The blowjob just made for good copy, and was something every American could understand. His policy in Somalia was wrong, by asking to do it on the cheap. His policy in Kosovo was wrong. His policy on Bosnia was based on a lie: "We will only be there for a year" is what he told Congress, and anyone with even a pea brain knew good and damned well that was BS. His First major action as President? Launching, before he had built political support, his "gays in the military" initiative in the face of the Constitutional fact that while he may have been commander in chief, Congress writes the rules and laws governing military administration. So, if he had really wanted that initiative to suceed, he'd have spent some time getting more Congressional backing on that before he pursued it, and might well have won. What did he do? He played a Dick Cheney style "because I said so" and challenged Congress to face him down. They did. The military leadership was more than happy to provide Congress with whatever ammo they needed. Vince Foster. 200 FBI files illegally called for and used against political enemies. Do I need to go on? The National Health Care thing. Lincoln Bedroom and sell out to China. Bailing out Mexico with our tax money. His waffling on Saddam and Sanctions. Anyhoo, the blowjob was sensational (oh wait, sensationalist, sorry! I wasn't there for it! ) news that was tied to White Water, McDougal, and other skeletons in the Clintons' closets. The Puala Jones, Katherine Willey, and even Jennifer Flowers affairs were far more detailed, and nasty, than a blowjob from a groupie. So why, you ask, after humiliating her in front of the whole world, does Hillary still put up with this guy? Ask Jennifer Flowers. DR
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28th August 2006, 09:44 AM	#23
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28th August 2006, 09:46 AM	#24
DavidJames Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,560	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor Strawman. He was disliked for a wide variety of reasons. The blowjob just made for good copy, and was something every American could understand. His policy in Somalia was wrong, by asking to do it on the cheap. His policy in Kosovo was wrong. His policy on Bosnia was based on a lie: "We will only be there for a year" is what he told Congress, and anyone with even a pea brain knew good and damned well that was BS. His First major action as President? Launching, before he had built political support, his "gays in the military" initiative in the face of the Constitutional fact that while he may have been commander in chief, Congress writes the rules and laws governing military administration. So, if he had really wanted that initiative to suceed, he'd have spent some time getting more Congressional backing on that before he pursued it, and might well have won. What did he do? He played a Dick Cheney style "because I said so" and challenged Congress to face him down. They did. The military leadership was more than happy to provide Congress with whatever ammo they needed. Vince Foster. 200 FBI files illegally called for and used against political enemies. Do I need to go on? The National Health Care thing. Lincoln Bedroom and sell out to China. Bailing out Mexico with our tax money. His waffling on Saddam and Sanctions. Anyhoo, the blowjob was sensational (oh wait, sensationalist, sorry! I wasn't there for it! ) news that was tied to White Water, McDougal, and other skeletons in the Clintons' closets. The Puala Jones, Katherine Willey, and even Jennifer Flowers affairs were far more detailed, and nasty, than a blowjob from a groupie. So why, you ask, after humiliating her in front of the whole world, does Hillary still put up with this guy? Ask Jennifer Flowers. DR My first thought was to politely ask political discussions be taken to the politics forum. Then I read the list more closely and decided this may be the correct forum after all, but maybe a new thread
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28th August 2006, 09:50 AM	#25
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28th August 2006, 05:35 PM	#26
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28th August 2006, 05:42 PM	#27
Dog Town Second Hand Smoker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Venice Beach Californication, USA, North America, The World, Yadda.... Yadda...Yadda! Posts: 2,717	Quote: I thought the issue was he lied under oath, which is quite bad, really. It was really the other sexual harasssment case. He was involved in more than one, IIRC. Clinton got elected twice on the health insurance issue. Never saw any of that. He got lucky on the economy as well. Computers and the internet saved his butt, after Nafta and Gatt, swallowed jobs by the boatload!Perot was RIGHT Then again Al Gore invented the internet!/derail and sarcasm.
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29th August 2006, 08:11 AM	#28
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor Strawman. He was disliked for a wide variety of reasons. The blowjob just made for good copy, and was something every American could understand. How is it a strawman? I'm not making any kind of argument. I'm just annoyed at the people who do make it seem like the only bad thing Clinton did was have a few affairs. I never said that everyone who dislikes Clinton does so. Sheesh, why is it that everyone seems to misread what I'm trying to say? Am I really that incomprehensible? I'm not saying that there was no reason to dislike Clinton... I'm just tired of continually hearing about his affairs. So he had a few blowjobs, and had an incident with a cigar -- that had very very little to do with his role as President. All I'm saying is that I dislike the particular, continual attack based on his blowjob. That's all. Sheesh. Quote: His policy in Somalia was wrong, by asking to do it on the cheap. Agreed. Quote: His policy in Kosovo was wrong. Well, I'm sure it could have easily been done better; I haven't researched the issue myself, so I can't really make a comment one way or another. Quote: His policy on Bosnia was based on a lie: "We will only be there for a year" is what he told Congress, and anyone with even a pea brain knew good and damned well that was BS. Heh, reminds me of the current war, but only slightly. Yes, agreed. Quote: His First major action as President? Launching, before he had built political support, his "gays in the military" initiative in the face of the Constitutional fact that while he may have been commander in chief, Congress writes the rules and laws governing military administration. So, if he had really wanted that initiative to suceed, he'd have spent some time getting more Congressional backing on that before he pursued it, and might well have won. What did he do? He played a Dick Cheney style "because I said so" and challenged Congress to face him down. They did. The military leadership was more than happy to provide Congress with whatever ammo they needed. From the face of it, agreed. Once more, I haven't researched this area myself. Quote: Anyhoo, the blowjob was sensational (oh wait, sensationalist, sorry! I wasn't there for it! ) news that was tied to White Water, McDougal, and other skeletons in the Clintons' closets. And it also seems to be the only frikkin' thing I ever hear, whenever Clinton is ever brought up. You just listed a dozen reasons you really didn't need to, since my point wasn't that Clinton "only did one little thing"... my point was that I have yet to see any of his other mistakes brought up, outside of this thread. However, your dozen mentions illustrates my simple, singular point that there's a lot more to dislike than a frikkin' blowjob. I would just like some variety when I hear others talk about Clinton. Hell, I hear far more variety with the Bushes... Did I mention that someone said that 9/11 wouldn't have happened if Clinton hadn't lied in public about his blowjobs? I could've sworn I mentioned that. So, considering that my entire argument was, "I just find it rather annoying that people keep going on about the blowjobs"... how, exactly, did I make a strawman?
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29th August 2006, 12:38 PM	#29
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 24,955	Originally Posted by Lonewulf So he had a few blowjobs, and had an incident with a cigar -- that had very very little to do with his role as President. All I'm saying is that I dislike the particular, continual attack based on his blowjob. That's all. So it appears that you and I are actually in violent agreement. I too think the "fellatio con cigaro incident" event was overblown. Cheers DR
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29th August 2006, 08:05 PM	#30
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor So it appears that you and I are actually in violent agreement. Yes, we definitely are, you overblown bag of... uhm... agree-ance!
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29th August 2006, 08:59 PM	#31
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 6,785	Lonewulf, For me, its not the BJ itself but that he didn't anticipate the bad publicity that arose from: a) it becoming public knowledge that the event occured, b) it becoming public knowledge that he lied under oath about it. As someone who has never visited the US and looking back from 2006, the Monica Lewinsky scandal seems to be the event of his presidency which got the most coverage. Is this the worst thing he did as president? For me, I would like to know more about what he could have done to prevent 9/11, to stop Saddam violating the oil-for-food program (and his other transgressions), to curtail the spread of AIDS, the spread of nuclear weapons, the deaths in Sudan, Somalia, Rwanda and the Balkans.
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29th August 2006, 09:33 PM	#32
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,095	As an economic conservative, I think Clinton's presidency was pretty successful. What matters to most of us is the overbearing size of the federal government, and despite our fears of what he might do, the government didn't grow very much under him. I realize that this was largely because of the Republican congress - I now think it's a good idea to have opposite parties controlling the legislative and executive branches. Neither one gets whatever they want. The economic things that it's up to the president to do, he did very well. He promoted free trade at every turn, and NAFTA was a very wise move, even though many in his party disagreed. I don't know as much about what he did in trying to resolve world conflicts. He sure didn't start any major wars. Our actions in Somalia, though it was bad for the people involved, were miniscule compared to what the current president's gotten us into. Overall, I'd give him a B+. The Lewsinski doesn't even figure into my opinion of him. He shouldn't have been misleading under oath, but I gotta feel for the guy. On the other hand, I had high hopes for Bush 43, but have been severely disappointed.

29th August 2006, 10:25 PM	#33
gumboot Norad Ninja Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,386	Wow, we have gone political. Who woulda thunk it. I agree with you all. I remember at the time everyone was getting all excited about the BJ thing. I was thinking "Who cares? Did she get MADE to do it? Doesn't sound like it. Game on." -Andrew
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29th August 2006, 10:32 PM	#34
gumboot Norad Ninja Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,386	Originally Posted by CurtC I don't know as much about what he did in trying to resolve world conflicts. He sure didn't start any major wars. Our actions in Somalia, though it was bad for the people involved, were miniscule compared to what the current president's gotten us into. I don't think that is the issue. The issue is he pulled the plug on Bush's commitment to Somalia, and instead put in a light weight force that were grossly under supported, and expected to produce magical results. Cue Battle of Mogadishu, and Clinton's shameful retreat with his tail between his legs. The ramifications of Clinton's turn-tail from Somalia were significant indeed - Al Qaeda were directly involved in Somalia (they taught the militia the "shoot the helicopter tail rotor" tactic), Osama Bin Laden has repeatedly cited Somalia as the major encouragement for continued attacks against the US - namely that killing 18 soldiers was enough to sent the mighty US packing. Worse still, the CIA have claimed they had just detected an Al Qaeda presence in Somalia and were about to start doing some serious terrorist-hunting when the US pulled the plug. Given that the people involved went on to do the African Embassy Bombings, that may have been prevented. The CIA might have even been able to prevent 9/11. Speculation, of course, but the Clinton Administration failed to take Radical Islamic Terrorist seriously, and 9/11 was the net result. -Andrew
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29th August 2006, 10:49 PM	#35
DavidJames Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,560	Originally Posted by gumboot Speculation, of course, but the Clinton Administration failed to take Radical Islamic Terrorist seriously, and 9/11 was the net result. -Andrew or maybe the seeds were planted years earlier when Reagan played nicey nice with the terrorists in Iran by trading arms for hostages...
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