Open letter to Dylan, Jason, Korey, Eric and the Conspiracy believer

[Oliver]

Hello everybody,

first of all i have to excuse myself for my average
english skills. My Name is Oliver, i´m 33 years old,
i´m roman catholic and i live in Germany.

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Dear Louder Than Words Production, dear Eric
Hufschmid, dear Conspiracy believers.

I started to do my own research, watched all videos
that i could fint, signed in to the LC-Forum and at
the James Randy Forum, listened to all evidence,
read hundreds of websites, emailed Louder than
Words, emailed Eric Hufschmid and some other,
less known peole who published rumours about 911.

This - Gentlemen - is my conclusion:

You made a lot of errors in your movies and books.
A lot of things don´t sum up after some own research.
But do you rethink your errors? - If, then just the most
obvious.

Seeking the truth:

After posting a link to a video about the hijackers
last words, wich had some visible debunkers in it,
a forum-admin deleted the thread and blocked my
account within the LC-Forum. Hoewer - now i´m
really able to talk free.

The agenda of some CT´s is, that aliens, the illuminati,
and/or the zionists have controll over everything, that
they can´t catch with their ignorant brains.

Some of these guys tried to tell me, that even the
holocaust was a fake and i demonstrate them the
oppisite: (i´m not able to post links in here)

Their reaction?

"I never claimed to have done a lot of research into
World War II. I only have a few remarks about it on
my web site. I don't really see the point in arguing
with it, either."

And:

"I don´t have the time to watch your given links" (Videos)

So these are your reasons to tell this **** to other people?

The victims:

After realizing what they must feel with all these speculations,
i really hope that some CT´s are men enough to apologize to
these people after waking up. And i also hope that the CT´s
won´t fall to deep.

The real world:

If you try to talk to CT´s about real stuff like international
politics or stuff like deploited uranium and the consequences,
they shut their mouths, because it´s something that does
not exist in ther world. "and what the hell does this has
to to with the aliens that rule the world?".

The debunkers:

Like the LC-Forum, i also have to thank you for your work,
even if some guys within the "debunking-movement" don´t
look better than some of the other side.

I´m happy to find my conclusion, thank you guys for getting
me thru of this very faster.

ground zero:

I really can´t wait to see what´s happening on 9/11/06
I hope some guys out there will wake up.

Regards,
Oliver

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PS: I´m pissed - that´s why i post this artice in here.
Other CT´s shall see what´s happening to them if they
start to ask the proofable truth, other CT´s can´t accept.

Some People out there who are straight enough to post
this to the Loose Change Forum? Then you will see what
i´m talking about in here...

[T.A.M.]

Welcome to the JREF forum Oliver. While the debate here can be fierce, everyone here is willing to hear you out, no matter what your belief. That said, if you make a claim that someone feels has little evidence to back it, they will call you on.

If you are looking for REAL EVIDENCE about the truth of 9/11, have a look around this site, as well as Screw Loose Change Blog, 9/11 Myths, and many other sites you will find listed amongst the threads here.

TAM

[jhunter1163]

Welcome to the forum Oliver. I'm fairly new here myself and have to say that I've been treated fairly. My small contributions have been examined closely and I've had some lively, but open-minded, discussions. I'll repeat what TAM said.. anything you say here will be judged on its merits, so be ready to back up your position with evidence.

Again, welcome. I think you'll like it here.

John

[Oliver]

Thank you for your heartily welcome,

i hope to be able to talk really free in here,
even if i use to talk not very often because
my average english skills.

I try my best to train my skills. :">

Thank you very much,

Oliver

[Ducky]

Willkommen zum Forum! Ich hoffe, viele gute Gespräche mit Ihnen zu haben. Ihre Suche nach Wahrheit und Beweis wird durch viele hier geteilt. Sprechendes Englisch ist nicht zu wichtig, wie die meisten uns, die Englisch gebürtig noch sprechen, Mühe haben. Bilden Sie sich zu Hause, mein Freund.


Cheers.

(I hope I got that right...or at least understandable. It has been many years since I took German.)



-Ducky

[Oliver]

Vielen lieben Dank, Ducky.

Es ist mir ebenfalls eine Freude, euch und
das Forum hier gefunden zu haben. Darum
freue ich mich schon auf kreative und offene
Diskussionen über die Welt der Verschwörungen.

> (I hope I got that right...or at least understandable.
> It has been many years since I took German.)

I had no problem to read your Message, Ducky.
You really should keep your skills alive, too.

Viele liebe Grüße,
Oliver

[MortFurd]

Hallo, Oliver.
Herzlich Willkommen im JREF Forum!
Wer Wahrheit sucht und die Arbeit nicht scheut, findet hier viel Unterstuetzung und Akzeptance. Meinungen sind immer Willkommen, aber mann wird oft dazu aufgefordert sie zu rechtfertigen. Fakten und Ehrlichkeit sind die Grundsteine auf die hier gebaut wird.

Unwissende werden freundlich aufgeklaert, und Dumbatzen werden verbal abgewatscht.

Viel Spass beim lernen, austauschen, und verbalen Ohrfeigen verteilen wuenscht dir MortFurd.


PS:
Wo wohnen Sie? Wie Sie meine Standort angabe (Location unterm Name) entnehmen koennen wohne ich auch in Deutschland. Sind Sie vielleicht in der Naehe von Bad Kreuznach oder Kaiserslautern?

[Oliver]

Hello, MortFurd.

Thank you for your reception. I live somewhere
between Kaiserslautern and Bad Kreuznach, near
Trier. You should know this town, don´t you?

Where do you live and do you serve in the military
to live in germany?

Regards,
Oliver

[MortFurd]

I live in Meisenheim, and I'm not in the military - at least not any more. I left the Air Force and have been a civilian since 1991.

[Hellbound]

I did a few weeks of training at BK back in '94. I was military, stationed in Hanau from '94 to '97.

Don't remember much German, though, just a few basic phrases. Mostly all I needed to remember was "Ein bier, bitte"

[Soapy Sam]

Ich auch! Eine grosses Dunkelsbier, bitte!
Wilkommen , Oliver.

[MortFurd]

Originally Posted by Huntsman

I did a few weeks of training at BK back in '94. I was military, stationed in Hanau from '94 to '97.

Don't remember much German, though, just a few basic phrases. Mostly all I needed to remember was "Ein bier, bitte"

Right.
Huntsman's location:
Wandering the Earth, righting wrongs and drinking beer...well, drinking beer.

[Oliver]

I still wonder that everyone i met who visited
germany or lived here talks about the german
beer or "Hefeweizen".

Is it really that good? I still don´t drink it very
much. I rather prefer a good old whiskey from
time to time.

Is´nt it wryly?

Regards,
Oliver

[MortFurd]

Originally Posted by Oliver

I still wonder that everyone i met who visited
germany or lived here talks about the german
beer or "Hefeweizen".

Is it really that good? I still don´t drink it very
much. I rather prefer a good old whiskey from
time to time.

Is´nt it wryly?

Regards,
Oliver

I don't drink beer, German or American or from anywhere else. My usual phrase for it a amounts to "yeast piss." (Hefepisse.)

A waste of otherwise useful grain and water.

I have yet to meet anyone who says that their first beer tasted good. It's always "you get used to it, and then you start to like it." Why would I want to drink something I've got to get acclimated to first?

[Oliver]

I agree - for me it tastes like "Hefepisse", too.
I guess this may be the reason for a lot of people
for loving it.

> I have yet to meet anyone who says that their first
> beer tasted good

It´s like the first sex or cigarettes - you have to ease
into it before you love it. :-D

Well, you probably need a littlebit more time for
cigarettes and beer.

[Moochie]

Originally Posted by Oliver

I agree - for me it tastes like "Hefepisse", too.
I guess this may be the reason for a lot of people
for loving it.

> I have yet to meet anyone who says that their first
> beer tasted good

It´s like the first sex or cigarettes - you have to ease
into it before you love it. :-D

Well, you probably need a littlebit more time for
cigarettes and beer.

Um, er, are you actually German, Oliver? Isn't not liking beer almost treasonous?

I'm German-born but now Australian -- two nations with a great beer-drinking tradition.

Oh, and Welcome, too.

M.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Moochie

Um, er, are you actually German, Oliver? Isn't not liking beer almost treasonous?

I'm German-born but now Australian -- two nations with a great beer-drinking tradition.

Oh, and Welcome, too.

M.

Thank you, M.uchie,

if you tell this to somebody in a pub - they will
look at you the same way like if they just saw an
100 year old man doing breakdance in front of them,
but after a while they accept this - even if they don´t
get it.

But for usual locations, most of the people use to
drink wine, "alcopops" (mix-drinks), long-drinks, beer,
whiskey, cola-beer and so on - referring to alcohol.

Sprichst du denn ein wenig Deutsch?

Regards,
Oliver

BTW: What´s the english word for "Weizenbier - Hefeweizen"?

[brodski]

Originally Posted by Oliver

BTW: What´s the english word for "Weizenbier - Hefeweizen"?

The closest is "wheat beer", but as the English speaking world doesn't really have a tradition of top fermented wheat beers, we generally don't have a word for it.

[Moochie]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Sprichst du denn ein wenig Deutsch?

I can read and speak conversationally, but writing, no.

I did nearly all my schooling in Australia.

Cheers,

M.

[Oliver]

This is a big shame - nearly a scandal, isn´t it?
I really enjoy it´s non-bitter taste in reference
to "ordinary" beer. :-D

You really should give it a try. I also felt unsure
about writing in english after some years without
doing it very often. But i get better from message
to message.

[Bradk3]

I took two years of High School German, but Ich habe es vergessen, sadly.

I do remember always tittering guiltily at the word "bleistifte" for some reason.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Originally Posted by brodski

The closest is "wheat beer", but as the English speaking world doesn't really have a tradition of top fermented wheat beers, we generally don't have a word for it.

Usually unfiltered as well.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Bradk3

I took two years of High School German, but Ich habe es vergessen, sadly.

I do remember always tittering guiltily at the word "bleistifte" for some reason.

Sorry, i had to laugh loudly about the "Bleistifte".
Why did you titter about this - or should i ask,
what on gods green earth did u do with these
during your german-lessons-period?

[Bradk3]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Sorry, i had to laugh loudly about the "Bleistifte".
Why did you titter about this - or should i ask,

I don't really know. At the time, I thought it just sounded dirty somehow. Keep in mind, I was 16 years old or so. Everything sounds dirty at that age.

Originally Posted by Oliver

what on gods green earth did u do with these
during your german-lessons-period?

In the interest of decency and tastefullness, I refuse to answer.

Hehe... Bleistifte... hehe...

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Bradk3

Everything sounds dirty at that age.

I know what you´re talking about - even if i don´t
remind the words i used to giggle at.

Originally Posted by Bradk3

In the interest of decency and tastefullness, I refuse to answer.

In Germany we use to say: "Dazu sage ich nichts ohne
meinen Anwalt", wich means: At first i've got to consult
my lawyer.

[Beleth]

Two years of high school German here too.

I know "Ausgezeichnet!" and not to eat or drink anything labeled GIFT. But other than that...

Welcome, Oliver!

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by IVXX (PM)

Oliver I'm being nice so let's not play games here. First, your agenda here is questioned by things you have said over on the JREFs forums. Next I replied in the "screw loose change" thread. Look at my last reply there. Do you think I didn't notice when abergeen left you all of a sudden showed up and posted in the thread how funny it was. In that very thread you gave yourself away. So once again I'm being nice and warning you. You do what you want. I will pass your feelings about being ban and how it can' happen on to the other admins. You control what happens to you.

Well, i tell you what my agenda here is.

My agenda after being confused for a while about all the
things Loose Change said, my intention is to find the truth.
And if you are honest, you already know that the real truth
is not amusing for all the MIHOP´ers.

If the old forum would have been honest and answered
all my questions instead banning me without reason - like
the suspension without reason 3 days ago, i already had
left the CT-Scene, but i can not agree with all the intentional
lie-spreading and the behavior of the Lie-Movement.

It got a personal thing because i feel being used and fooled.

The old forum couldn´t stop me and i was a big part of the
controlled demolition of it. That intention in here is not the
same because the attemp to be more open-minded.

But if this will change again, i will return to the fight for truth
on the front. I never lied to honest people and i never started
personal attacks without reason - and i never used profanity
to others.

It´s your choice on which side you fight. For truth or for lies -
that´s what you´re about at this moment, IVXX. And i don´t
like the us-foreign policy, their lies and especially the iraq
war as less then most in here do, but i will defend the Gov
against all lies if necessary.

You can´t stop me if i start to fight again for truth and progress
to the issue, so i´m more than nice to you right now.

Oliver

Originally Posted by oliver

It was the movie that Louder than Words spread all
over the net that brought most people to this forum.

It was Loose Change that made all of us sceptic and
made us curious about what happpend on 9/11.

It was that movie that brought up many questions we
want to know since we saw the movie.

Many were banned from the old forum because they
had honest question that don´t agree with the movies
statements.

Dylan has no clue how to handle the situation he created
with this movie. He is not able to handle the questions he
brought up if you ask me.

He makes a lot of people look stupid and Korey even said
that there are many errors within the movie but it does not
matter. How responsible is such a behavior? They made
errors, they intentionally let the errors in and if people are
confused, they ban or suspend people for the confusion
they made?

I beliefe that many will wake up someday and think: What
a sad waste of time it was to fight for a lie. Yet LTW does
not care - it´s too lucrative to think about the consequences
of lies.

"Meant as a fictional movie." And it still is
Searching for truth? Dream on.

Oliver

[The Almond]

So you've been banned for disagreeing, politely, with the CTists? Pathetic. The people who espouse free speech and asking questions cannot stand to have people ask questions about them.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by The Almond

So you've been banned for disagreeing, politely, with the CTists? Pathetic. The people who espouse free speech and asking questions cannot stand to have people ask questions about them.

They confuse the people with their movie, they
admit that they are lying and they admit that they
intentionally donn´t fix the errors. And they ban
people for the questions they brought up.

Nice, eh?

[Almo]

Originally Posted by Oliver

They confuse the people with their movie, they
admit that they are lying and they admit that they
intentionally donn´t fix the errors. And they ban
people for the questions they brought up.

Nice, eh?

I got banned not even for really questioning. I asked mild things like "Just because they disagree, does that mean we can't learn from them?" They found out I was a member here and banned me.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Almo

I got banned not even for really questioning. I asked mild things like "Just because they disagree, does that mean we can't learn from them?" They found out I was a member here and banned me.

WTF??? You´re a JREF´ER??? Shame on you!

Well, at least there are more honest people in here and
straight rules - no matter what you believe as long you
keep the rules...

[Donal]

And I'm off the boards. Don't know if I was banned or just suspended. No mention of it. I just went to the boards after my last rant at Russel and I couldn't log in.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Donal

And I'm off the boards. Don't know if I was banned or just suspended. No mention of it. I just went to the boards after my last rant at Russel and I couldn't log in.

Well, let´s see....

Originally Posted by Dylan Apery

Quote:

QUOTE (shecky @ Nov 17 2006, 02:54 PM)
So, now you are suspending people for calling out the film makers who have admited to putting misinformation in their films?

that was a stupid statement on Korey's part, and I'll thank you to stop pushing that as proof.

in fact, asta la vista.

Were you Shecky over there? If so, i guess asta la vista
was meant to you.

[uk_dave]

I don't participate on the LC forum because I just couldn't bear the thought of being banned.

I mean, what would my mother say?

[realitybites]

I just got banned over there as well. I think it's because I called Avery out for suggesting the FBI was stalking Bermas because it sounded more sinister and threatening than the possibility of the IP belonging to an alum of the fraternity Jason was in.

No warning though. Shocking.

edit: If anyone here is still able to read the forum over there, I'd like to see if these bannings have been addressed or not by the mods.

[Donal]

Yes, I was shecky. Where's my badge?

Kind of funny he leaves that little message for me when I'm not supposed to be able to read it. And he missed the h in hasta.

[Oliver]

*lol* Yeah, you´re right! We need the "Banned from
the new Loose Lies Forum!" NOW!

Did someone see Shrinker?

[The Almond]

Originally Posted by Donal

And he missed the h in hasta.

Seriously, I'm no master linguist, but even I know there's an h in hasta. Man Dylan Avery is dumb.

[Donal]

And the SUNY system has a language requirement for their courses that aren't hard sciences. Atleast, they did when I was in it.

[maccy]

Originally Posted by The Almond

Seriously, I'm no master linguist, but even I know there's an h in hasta. Man Dylan Avery is dumb.

No! You're the one who's stupid! You're just one of the sheeple that believes the official version of so-called written Spanish. The evidence clearly shows that asta doesn't have an 'h' in it! I mean, what does it sound like to you? Use your ears for pete's sake, don't just blindly trust the government line. Have you even seen Terminator 2?